[15:00]  * slangasek waves
[15:00] <jodh> o/
[15:01]  * mvo waves as well
[15:01] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu May  8 15:02:01 2014 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:01] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:02] <cjwatson> Oh I forgot about mumble this week, oops
[15:02] <slangasek> ah that's why it was quiet
[15:02] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek cjwatson xnox caribou infinity mvo)
[15:02] <slangasek> slangasek jodh infinity mvo barry stgraber cjwatson bdmurray caribou xnox doko
[15:02] <slangasek> not much news from me this week
[15:02] <slangasek>  * in contract phase on the Java role
[15:02] <slangasek>  * busy week for NEW processing for the phone (MMS, qt gles packages)
[15:02] <slangasek>   * discussions with sergiusens about use of gccgo vs. go-gc for go-based package
[15:02] <slangasek> (done)
[15:03] <slangasek> jodh:
[15:03] <jodh> * foundations-1305-upstart-work-items:
[15:03] <jodh>   - cgroup support:
[15:03] <jodh>     - Finished reworking test_job_process async test suite. However,
[15:03] <jodh>       some more recent changes seem to have now broken
[15:03] <jodh>       test_job so currently identifying the issue and fixing up the tests.
[15:03] <jodh>     - Currently working with xnox to clean up the branch and identify
[15:03] <jodh>       fix the remaining tests.
[15:03] <jodh> * upstart:
[15:03] <jodh>   - Prepared initial fix for bug 1315060. Now adding an append option:
[15:03] <jodh>     https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/upstart/bug-1315060
[15:03] <jodh>   - Merged a fix upstream for building upstart under utopic (thanks to cjwatson
[15:03] <jodh>     for review): lp:~jamesodhunt/upstart/fix-deprecated-json-calls.
[15:03] <jodh> * misc:
[15:03] <jodh>   - upgraded to utopic.
[15:03] <jodh>   - Obtained full strace for bug 1314697.
[15:03] <jodh> ◎
[15:03] <jodh> slangasek: sorry - had to scrabble for my unicode end-of-message glyph :)
[15:04] <slangasek> heh
[15:04] <slangasek> infinity is at the cloud sprint this week
[15:04] <slangasek> mvo:
[15:04] <mvo> = Next week =
[15:04] <mvo> - further HardwareEnablement EOL work
[15:04] <mvo> - Click, address issues raised during the code review(s)
[15:04] <mvo> - work on outstanding trusty ubuntu-release-upgrader issues (i.e.
[15:04] <mvo>   regression in locale.setlocale())
[15:04] <mvo> = Last week =
[15:04] <mvo> click:
[15:04] <mvo>   lp:~mvo/click/documentation-tweak
[15:04] <mvo>   lp:~mvo/click/multiple-frameworks
[15:04] <mvo>   lp:~mvo/upstart-app-launch/hide-on-missing-framework
[15:04] <mvo> hwe-eol:
[15:04] <mvo> - Coordination
[15:04] <mvo> - lp:~mvo/update-manager/hwe-support-status
[15:04] <mvo> misc:
[15:04] <mvo> - open/upload translated package description utopic series in LP
[15:05] <mvo> - Another try to get "apt" bash-completions included #747094, I begin to
[15:05] <mvo>   think I should maintain this as part of the apt source package myself
[15:05] <mvo> - Prepare fix for multiarch upgrade issue to send upstream (we need to
[15:05] <mvo>   have the same pkgname as debian for this fix)
[15:05] <mvo> - ubuntu-release-upgrader for utopic
[15:05] <mvo> - (very few) merges - should I do more?
[15:05] <mvo> apt:
[15:05] <mvo> - big merge of all abi break branches
[15:05] <mvo> - debug/fix various smal regression/test-failures in the abi break branch
[15:05] <cjwatson> mm, I've been meaning to learn how to write bash completion
[15:05] <mvo> [DONE]
[15:05] <mvo> prepare fix for multiarch upgrade issue - for samba4
[15:05] <mvo> (sorry that apparently got lost)
[15:05] <barry> phone: python3 ports for ubuntu-filemanager-app, webbrowser-app, sudoku-app, autopilot temp-dev fix for sphinx, general autopilot py3 planning, discussions, development.  with help from xnox and thomir, we should be eliminating py2 from touch *in the next day or so*.
[15:05] <barry> ubu/deb: debian bug 745673, debian bug 732703.
[15:05] <barry> misc: upgraded laptop to utopic.  desktop coming soon.
[15:05] <barry> todo: patch pilot today
[15:05] <barry> done
[15:06]  * mvo checks 427
[15:06] <slangasek> mvo: more merges> there's a long tail of stale merges that no one is dealing with... I claimed the 4-year-old gxine merge the other day. :) http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/oldmerges/
[15:06] <barry> wheels ftw!
[15:06] <mvo> barry: :)
[15:07] <doko> mvo is the new ev
[15:07] <mvo> slangasek: aha! thanks, I will check that out and attack some
[15:07] <mvo> doko: *cough* I hope that is something positive
[15:08] <slangasek> barry: hurray! death to python2 and all it stands for!
[15:08] <slangasek> (or something?)
[15:08] <slangasek> stgraber is also at the cloud sprint
[15:08] <slangasek> so, cjwatson
[15:08] <xnox> doko: not quite, it's still under 200 lines.... unless mvo is only getting started =)
[15:08] <barry> \o/
[15:09] <xnox> barry: slangasek: well baring autopilot managing to pass through ci-train and 3 more clicks to land.
[15:09] <cjwatson> livefs in LP:
[15:09] <cjwatson>  - Continuing work on the browser code.  This is almost entirely done now although not yet pushed anywhere; I still need to finish writing test code.
[15:09] <cjwatson>  - Set up a local buildd slave so that I could do a straight-through test.  This was (eventually) successful, but in the process I discovered a small but important bug in the launchpad-buildd code, so we'll need to roll out a fix for that.
[15:09] <cjwatson>  - Worked through William's initial review of https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/livefs/+merge/217261.
[15:09] <cjwatson>  - To do: finish browser tests, reviews/QA/deployment, cdimage changes.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Reviewed and extended Dimitri's fix for bug 1275162 and uploaded to unstable for syncing to Ubuntu.  Uploaded trusty SRU candidate (also with fixes for bug 1314134).
[15:09] <cjwatson> Reviewed Michael's click branches.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Tested germinate SRUs.
[15:09] <cjwatson> gnuradio 3.7.3 transition.
[15:09] <slangasek> xnox: is bfiller the right person to help us make sure the clicks land?
[15:09] <cjwatson> Helped out with address-book-app -proposed blockage.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Signed up for DebConf.  Whee.
[15:09] <cjwatson> ..
[15:10] <bdmurray> check in with thedac regarding OOPS cf deletion process
[15:10] <bdmurray> daisy: don't write to OOPS CF if there is no StacktraceAddressSignature
[15:10] <bdmurray> daisy: update EoL releases to include Natty and Oneiric (someone submitted crashes for them)
[15:10] <bdmurray> daisy: don't accept crashes without an ExecutablePath
[15:10] <bdmurray> reported RT 70111 regarding read / write access to cassandra after testing
[15:10] <bdmurray> submitted RT to update daisy to r436
[15:10] <bdmurray> submitted rt to have daisy updated and subsequently retry retracing failures to retrace
[15:10] <bdmurray> ubuntu-emulator testing of apport and whoopsie
[15:10] <bdmurray> reported ubuntu-emulator-runtime bug 1316302 and MAC addresses
[15:10] <bdmurray> reported daisy bug 1316337 regarding adding useless data to the OOPS cf
[15:10] <bdmurray> reported daisy bug 1316763 re: bucketing of recoverable problems
[15:10] <bdmurray> reported apport bug 1316344 regarding webbrowser app crash report truncation
[15:10] <xnox> slangasek: and/or with poppey/serguisens. Potentially we can do direct to store upload to fix up the manifest key, if we end up blocked on that.
[15:10] <bdmurray> reported apport bug 1316841 regarding no duplicate signatures for apportcheckresume crashes
[15:10] <bdmurray> reported apport bug 1316845 regarding package version for apportcheckresume
[15:10] <bdmurray> investigation into kubuntu-driver-manager increase in crash rate (overrode it)
[15:11] <bdmurray> investigation into phased updater issue with qtiplot
[15:11] <bdmurray> overrode some (update-manager, software-properties) phased updates
[15:11] <bdmurray> bug bot modifications to check for more iso identities
[15:11] <bdmurray> uploaded Trusty fixes for bugs 1304143, 1306412
[15:11] <bdmurray> provisional MRE research for Tech Board
[15:11] <slangasek> xnox: please don't bypass the process unnecessarily :)
[15:11] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:12] <xnox> gnutls26->28:
[15:12] <xnox>  - merged 26, synced 28, thus gnutls-bin is now provided by gnutls28.
[15:12] <xnox>  - will be filing bugs in debian to get packages migrated over
[15:12] <xnox> Systemd:
[15:12] <xnox>  * Upload plymouth with initial systemd support. Fixed up obsolete
[15:12] <xnox>    module (rtc) left over in /etc/modules. bug #1317077
[15:12] <xnox> SRU bugs fixed in utopic:
[15:12] <xnox>  - bug #1273462, bug #1315755, bug #1123460, bug #1249732,
[15:12] <cjwatson> gnutls> yay
[15:12] <xnox>    bug #1315464, bug #1300464, bug #1275162 (when syncs from
[15:12] <xnox>    debian)bzr diff
[15:12] <xnox> upstart:
[15:12] <xnox>  - working with jodh to get async branch into shape for merging.
[15:12] <xnox> python2 off touch:
[15:12] <xnox>  - progressing with fix-ups to drop python2 off the touch images.
[15:12] <xnox> ..
[15:13] <xnox> cjwatson: seems pretty much everyone was eager to get that in debian as well. thus the upload restricting to add gpl v2+ compat turned around quickly.
[15:13] <cjwatson> People aren't so keen on old crypto code right now
[15:14] <mvo> heh
[15:14] <doko> - two days off
[15:14] <doko> - sent GCC 4.9 ftbfs issues
[15:14] <doko> - updating gcc-4.8 before the 4.8.3 release candidate
[15:14] <doko> - fix more python3.4 autopkg tests
[15:14] <doko> - got involved into the ensurepip wheel packaging
[15:14] <doko> - start looking at the proposal for the openjdk-8 packaging.
[15:14] <doko> (done)
[15:15] <slangasek> and no caribou today, it seems?
[15:15] <mvo> french holiday I think
[15:15] <slangasek> ah yes
[15:15] <mvo> (or on strike)
[15:15] <slangasek> aren't those the same thing? :)
[15:15] <mvo> lol
[15:16] <slangasek> [TOPIC] DebConf planning
[15:17] <slangasek> if I've already approved you to attend DebConf, please register for the conference (as a professional attendee): http://debconf14.debconf.org/registration.xhtml
[15:18] <slangasek> don't register yourself for food/accommodation, which we should handle centrally
[15:18] <slangasek> and if you're not sure if you're approved to attend, come talk to me :)
[15:19] <slangasek> I'll get an event code into the system ASAP so you can start submitting your travel requests too
[15:19] <doko> does this mean we won't have lunch together with the other participants?
[15:19] <cjwatson> err
[15:20] <slangasek> however, we still need to settle which dates everyone will be in attendance
[15:20] <cjwatson> I already registered myself for food/accommodation
[15:20] <cjwatson> I think I missed that memo
[15:20] <slangasek> cjwatson: yes, the memo is late, you get an exception ;P
[15:20] <cjwatson> should I try to unwind my registration?
[15:20] <slangasek> doko: no, it means that you should not register yourself for lunch because that makes it more difficult for the company to pay
[15:20] <slangasek> cjwatson: don't worry about it until I have a chance to talk to Michelle
[15:20] <cjwatson> ok
[15:21] <barry> slangasek: and that always goes so smoothly with our usa travel agent :)
[15:22] <slangasek> so we'll hopefully have the DebConf schedule fleshed out more in the next week or so, at which point we'll talk about which dates it makes most sense for people to attend ... assuming not everyone is going to attend for all 10 days
[15:22] <xnox> also ESTA approvals
[15:22] <slangasek> barry: in this case, PSU asks for payment at time of registration for the room, so that makes it easier for msm to just pay it :)
[15:23] <barry> slangasek: \o/
[15:23] <slangasek> any other questions?
[15:24] <barry> ah, you can't fill out the travel auth until there's an event code
[15:24] <slangasek> right
[15:25] <cjwatson> FWIW PSU only asked me for time-of-registration payment for food
[15:25] <cjwatson> that is, the bill consisted entirely of 4x 10x breakfast+lunch
[15:25] <slangasek> oh, interesting
[15:25] <cjwatson> whether that's an error on their part I don't know
[15:25] <slangasek> well, something else for me to bother them about :)
[15:26] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:26] <slangasek> anything else to discuss?
[15:26] <slangasek> everybody getting ready for Malta?
[15:27]  * mvo nods
[15:27] <slangasek> does anyone here happen to know how to accept ubuntu-core-dev's invitation to https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team ?
[15:28] <slangasek> the team has no admins; I asked bdmurray whether the DMB got an email about it and he said no
[15:29] <xnox> slangasek: i think you need an admin, in the owners team?
[15:29] <xnox> slangasek: https://launchpad.net/~pspmteam/+members ?
[15:29] <popey> slangasek: i just tried to manually add but it failed, because its already been invited
[15:29] <slangasek> xnox: the invite has been sent by the admin of phablet-team, but someone has to accept it on behalf of ubuntu-core-dev
[15:30] <slangasek> and I don't know who that "someone" can be
[15:30] <xnox> slangasek: oh.
[15:30] <slangasek> maybe an option shows up in the UI for the members of the DMB?  barry, bdmurray?
[15:30] <bdmurray> what is the structure of the url invite?
[15:30]  * barry is no longer dmb
[15:30] <slangasek> oh
[15:30]  * xnox is
[15:30] <slangasek> right
[15:31] <xnox> oh, since i'm a member of phablet-team already, i can't add one of my teams to it?!
[15:31] <slangasek> xnox, popey, bdmurray: shall we adjourn and try to figure this out on #ubuntu-devel then?
[15:31] <slangasek> (anything else from anyone?)
[15:32] <doko> yep
[15:32] <bdmurray> https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+member/ubuntu-core-dev maybe that
[15:32] <xnox> no allowed here
[15:32] <doko> trying to prepare for GCC 4.9, planning to make it the default in Malta
[15:33] <popey> "Ubuntu Core Development Team (ubuntu-core-dev) has been invited to join this team, but hasn't responded to the invitation yet."
[15:33] <slangasek> I think you should make it the default everywhere, not just in Malta
[15:33] <popey> (when I click that link)
[15:33] <bdmurray> ah, I got it
[15:33] <bdmurray> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/+invitation/phablet-team
[15:33] <doko> there are a number of issues now filed for Debian; I don't want to repeat the bug filing here in Ubuntu
[15:33] <doko> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=ftbfs-gcc-4.9;users=debian-gcc@lists.debian.org
[15:34] <slangasek> doko: 94 is still a lot. is anyone driving down the bug list in Debian?  Will gcc-4.9 be made the default in Debian soon?
[15:34] <doko> can we do a 5 a week bug squash until Malta?
[15:35] <doko> slangasek, see the email to -release, and the refusal on the qt related ones to work on anything else before 4.9 is the default
[15:35] <slangasek> doko: link to the -release mail?
[15:36] <slangasek> these are certainly NMU candidates in Debian; perhaps you'd like to announce a "bugsquashing party" in Debian and drive them down there, before making the switch of default in either Debian or Ubuntu
[15:37] <slangasek> we certainly want to make sure the Qt packages are fixed in Ubuntu before we make the switch, so that we're not hampering the touch work
[15:37] <doko> yes, announcement will follow for ubuntu
[15:37] <xnox> bdmurray: accepted.
[15:38] <xnox> slangasek: ^
[15:38] <slangasek> xnox: yay!
[15:38] <bdmurray> well, now I could have clicked the button I was trying to say look I found it
[15:39] <xnox> slangasek: i hope this does not translate into spamming core-devs.... =)
[15:39] <slangasek> doko: anyway, I think it's best to coordinate this with Debian, and where possible to do the fixes there directly via bugsquash NMU
[15:39] <slangasek> xnox: I'm pretty sure ubuntu-core-dev mail is already bitbucketed :)
[15:39] <cjwatson> ubuntu-core-dev has an e-mail address yet
[15:39] <cjwatson> *set
[15:40] <xnox> slangasek: archived neatly in /dev/null ?! =)))))
[15:40] <slangasek> billgates@bugone.com
[15:40] <cjwatson> So it should at worst only spam  ubuntu-core-reviews@lists.ubuntu.com
[15:40] <xnox> anyway... gcc-4.9 transition bug fixing needed. ok.
[15:41] <slangasek> alright, sounds like that's everything then
[15:41] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:41] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu May  8 15:41:29 2014 UTC.
[15:41] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-05-08-15.02.moin.txt
[15:41] <slangasek> thanks, all!
[15:41] <barry> thanks!
[15:41] <mvo> thanks
[15:42] <jodh> thanks!