[00:12] whos still around [00:12] wonder if i could put my machine outside in a shed and itd be ok hmm [00:13] nah, moisture [00:14] would it be enough to do damage? [00:14] just its SO loud [00:15] what is it? 0o [00:16] loud. [00:16] old dell desktop === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === Monotoko is now known as Guest48776 === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [05:58] hello all [06:09] whee [06:09] new Chrome works with Hangouts and Adobe Connect! [06:16] what's the current opinion on ISP's, which has the best price/quality ratio? [06:17] im on sky atm but got rubbish service [06:17] who u with atm? [06:18] TalkTalk Business and the speed has gone down the drain so badly we're looking at moving to fibre [06:18] no idea what's causing it [06:18] have tried all the tricks in the book [06:23] ah if you can get fttc yea ust do that [06:23] i cant;( [07:00] I'm about to switch from IDNet to PlusNet as the price is the same, but PlusNet don't cap you at 200 GB a month downloaded. === AlanBell_ is now known as AlanBell [07:38] the connection is so bad I feel like crying >____< [07:48] Myrtti: I'm on virgin cable. fine here. rarely goes out, and is pretty quick http://www.speedtest.net/result/3487854745.png [07:56] Good morning all; happy No Socks Day! :-D [07:56] \o/ I have no socks on! [07:58] \o/ [07:58] Is it really No Socks Day? [07:58] So it is [07:59] Indeed. I'm not running today. I shall not be wearing socks. [08:00] * jussi throws smelly socks at nigelb [08:01] and its way too cold in my house for no socks. sorry. [08:01] It's warm and mildly rainy here :) [08:02] I can't believe I drove 50 miles for this shit [08:02] OOps, apologies [08:03] For any youths watching - that is a bad word and should not be repeated in polite company [08:04] popey, I'm going to have to light a rocket under Virgin's butt... I only get about 25Mbit/s on my allegedly 60Mbit/s line [08:04] Supposed to be upgraded to 100Mbit/s here this year as well [08:05] mine was supposed to be next year [08:05] then suddenly my modem rebooted one day and it was faster [08:06] Have a feeling my wire may be poorly sick [08:06] My modem says 60Mbit/s but I only get 25Mbit/s [08:06] Maybe my impedance is off [08:06] Although the local router has a history of congestion [08:07] There was a time I was getting 150ms pings to the first hop because of all the little scrotes around where I live constantly torrenting things [08:08] yeah no cable for us [08:09] VM sez : speed upgrade between Jan 2015 and June 1015 [08:09] TBH I don't care about raw bandwidth [08:09] As long as I get consistent service and low pings, 25Mbit/s is totally enough for my needs [08:10] I used to be very happy with 512Kbit/s === msm is now known as Guest66228 [08:10] If it's enough to get an OS ISO in less than 15 minutes, it's good enough [08:10] Can install most triple-A games in about 2-3 hours so it's all good. [08:13] yeah there was a moment yesterday when I couldn't be in a Google Hangout and use Ryanair website at the same time [08:13] and the Hangout is choppy [08:14] Knowing Ryanair, they probably wanted you to pay a supplement for extra server bandwidth [08:14] their website is a lot better now than it was six months ago [08:15] * awilkins pitches the idea of them getting people to pay for access to the new website [08:28] realised i no longer have a cap on my broadband [08:29] morning [08:46] happiness is all of your esxi hosts in compliance with the host profile :) [08:47] popey: I'm on VM too, just wish their up-speed wasn't so poor. [08:47] meh [08:47] although, having said "meh", I could possibly move services back to home now it's fairly quick [08:47] It is really stable though, and (unofficial) static IP too. [08:48] yeah [08:48] You running off their SuperFlub, or just using that as a modem? [08:48] looking at moving currently and the lack of fast broadband turned me off a place I otherwise liked :( [08:49] When I next move, I'll be dropping down to 7Mbps - and that's in a major city [08:50] There's cable past the entrance to the street, but NTL didn't run the cable *into* the street. So whilst it is all around, I can't get any. [08:50] yep [08:50] they've not run cable to new build estates in nottm, and fttc/p generally hasn't rolled out either [08:50] You in Notts then? [08:50] ya [08:51] i have a netgear device behind my modem [08:51] modem is in "modem only" mode [08:51] Laney: Come along to Notts LUG! [08:51] haha [08:51] I heard they were quite ... beery [08:51] popey: Snap - although mine's a Buffalo unit. It's great to have a router that actually does stuff. [08:51] Laney: And what's wrong with that? [08:51] * TwistedLucidity falls over [08:52] I have sdb,sdc,sdd but no sda, does that mean this drive is not connected? there is no /dev/sda, just 3 [09:25] Morning all [09:25] Hello davmor2 [09:25] Todays tune stuck in my head is the 2cellos version of viva la vida from clodplay iirc [09:26] nigelb: how do chap long time no see [09:27] davmor2: i have hamza, abu hamza (to the tune of hands up baby hands up ) [09:27] :S [09:29] foobarry: hooks up surely [09:29] davmor2: I'm good :) [09:30] hello davmor2 [09:34] doctor asked for a poo sample to check for h. pylori [09:34] taken me 6 weeks to sync up a morning dump with my wife going into town shortly after :S [09:34] anyway, not a pleasant process in all [09:35] TMI. [09:35] no really, i could give a lot more [09:35] .. [09:35] but i wont [09:36] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37zPu-hCy3I now everyone can share in the tune in my head [09:36] morning boys and girls. [09:40] davmor2: How have you been? [09:41] davmor2: thats a rather nice recital [09:42] nigelb: I'm a bit meh at the minute [09:46] we're all a bit meh at the moment. [09:47] me also [09:48] mind, I watched Achmed this morning, apparently he has a son... :D (yes, Jeff Dunham is funny) [09:54] Hi folks [09:55] hello hoover [09:55] BRB, lunchtime [10:34] hi all , i'm looking for some guidance [10:34] who is welling to help? [10:35] Ahmed412: please describe the problem, someone may be able to offer assistance [10:35] its not a problem [10:35] perhaps you could elaborate [10:36] I want to run virtualbox application under any linux [10:36] "any" linux? [10:38] Ahmed412: Goto VirtualBox webiste, download (you'll get the latest version from there, your repos may be old), follow install guide [10:41] sorry [10:42] yes i know , what i 'm looking for is the most lite linux version that can run virtual box [10:43] so the original system doesn't take many resources [10:43] so what do you suggest for most lite linux system? [10:44] You can run Virtualbox via the CLI, or use KVM/Qemu ? [10:45] is CLI or KVM/Qemu an operating system ? [10:47] CLI - Command Line Interface [10:47] KVM - Kernel Virtualisation Module [10:51] no i'm looking for the most unix linux ubunt distro that can run virtual box [10:51] sorry the most lite distro [10:52] so the pc resuorces doesn't waste between the host & guest systems [10:53] http://lubuntu.net/ or something like that will be lowest on resources, should be fine running virtual box [10:53] The thing is with the lighter distros you lose some functionality etc [10:53] yes something like that will be lowest on resources [10:54] http://xubuntu.org/ [10:54] Or that [10:54] functionality is not my goal [10:54] i will only use it to run virtual box or any virtualizing application [10:55] all ubuntu family is not that lite i need [10:57] Well if you are only wanting to virtualise stuff why not just run a server ? Won't have any of the desktop resources running [10:58] spontaneous pc reboot while plugging in my usb mouse [10:59] foobarry: replace that mouse / check your psu! [11:00] maybe static? [11:00] errrmmm..... nah [11:00] scrape shoes on carpet, mouse touches the metal of my hdmi port, causes reboot [11:00] now you say :D [11:01] thanks looks great idea [11:03] foobarry: connect pc to lightning conducter... just as effective ;) [11:04] diplo: could you suggest me a server distro [11:05] cough... Ubuntu... cough [11:05] Ahmed412: I use Ubuntu Server with KVM. Works well. [11:05] I use VirtMan on a client to control the Guests [11:05] Well as SuperEngineer so eloquently put it and now TwistedLucidity youre in a Ubuntu channel so better advise that :) [11:06] http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server [11:06] diplo: I am advising Ubuntu as it is easy to set-up and there are pretty good docs; seems to me that Ahmed412 will need those (given they needed to query CLI and KVM) [11:07] agreed [11:07] Ahmed412: If you are totally new to virtualisation, run VirtualBox on a desktop first. Get an understanding what is going on. [11:07] Ahmed412: Then worry about KVM etc. [11:09] i know virtualizing but on windows [11:10] * SuperEngineer screams in fear [11:10] what i'm trying to do is to run specific applications on virtualized windows under unix [11:11] as wine doesn't compatiple with this application [11:12] Ahmed412: have you checked on WineHQ for any help in getting it to run [11:13] http://www.winehq.org/ [11:14] slow club on 6 music currently ♥ [11:14] thanks guys for your advices & support, bye [11:21] Thinking of virtualbox... downloaded Tails yesterday... just fired it up in VirtualBox. [11:22] It evens detects & warns you that you are using virtual machine & therefore underlying opsys *will* know about the stuff it hopes to keep private. Impressed. [11:25] [Tails = "The Amnesiac Incognito Live System"] Tails is much easier to say ;) === Monotoko is now known as Guest51731 === arsen_ is now known as arsen === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:17] back === hazrpg_ is now known as hazrpg === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:54] I want to figure out a nice way to track my daily expenses, i've a little app on my phone, "Smart Receipts" But i've got sainsburies receipts that hav ethe date on the back, and i can only attach one image to the receipts entry [13:54] What the bloody hell sainsburries. [14:02] NET||abuse: https://github.com/bashrc/fin [14:05] hehe, [14:05] I wasn going to start by just using my phone to photograph my receipts. And this smart receipts app isn't tied to any online service, so i can tie in the data to whatever i want to use. [14:05] so my problem is, how to deal with receipts like sainsburries. [14:06] the app itself isn't the sisue [14:13] well, personal finances are grand, i need expese tracking and small company accounts stuff.. was going to start a go-lang project. [14:14] golang is funky === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [14:21] diddledan_: yeh, i've built a couple little basic tools for myself in it, just really digging into the net/http or mux wrappers for it to start doing web apps now [14:22] even more funky is: https://github.com/gopherjs/gopherjs [14:22] and have to work on database stuff next,, for finance mangement, i think rdbms is the best option, so mysql is the obvious choice as that's what i know best, but i was wondering what would a non sql based db offer for finance. [14:24] diddledan_: oh god, more transcody fun, that stuff melts my head. [14:26] saw some talks in go group about llvm and transcompiling to other things or from js to golang === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:29] NET||abuse: Careful of trying to solve and problem that is already (or mostly) solved. There's a glut of expenses management applications around. Most based on double-entry. [14:29] It might be better to find one that is close and extend that. [14:29] Unless you're doing it for pure interest/learning of course; in which case, have at it. [14:29] :( but then i dont get to bitch and moan how hard it is to code something like that from scratch [14:30] :) half the fun is in doing it myself even if i spend a month or two at it in spare time only to abandon it later.. ultimately a good learning experience for go coding [14:30] GNUCash and jGnash are beasts. One of them should do it. [14:30] There's a KDE one too I think, name escapes me just now. [14:31] And a CLI one that's meant to be really powerful (i.e. scriptable). Name also escapes me. [14:31] I used to download my account statements as a CSV, sanitise them (for names, labels etc) and then load them into jGnash. [14:31] there was that personal finances one mentioned earlier, fin [14:32] It could recognise names and knew which account they should go into. [14:32] No matter how much I polished it, the answer was always the same: You're broke, sunshine. [14:32] :( [14:32] wxbanker clipf kmymoney skrooge [14:32] hehe, apt-cache search is fun [14:33] Skrooge! That were it [14:34] when I started keeping track of expenses I looked at GNUcash and it looked much too complex for what I needed [14:36] NET||abuse: if you are on Trusty just use apt search :) [14:36] fin is also scriptable. you can stick it into .bashrc to tell you how little cash you have remaining [14:37] bashrc: GNUcash is the equivalent of...thingy on Windows. It is rather complex because it is the sledgehammer for your personal finances walnut. It's really intended for business use AIUI. [14:37] Quciken. [14:37] yes that was my impression [14:37] bashrc: That would be depressing. [14:38] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7416357/ [14:38] tl@foo -£1234.56 :~$ [14:38] Wonder if org-mode has a personal finances mangler... [14:38] Does everything else... [14:39] (except being usable from a decent text editor...) [14:39] I'm not sure. org-mode does a lot of stuff [14:39] you can also make tables and use it like a spreadsheet [14:40] TwistedLucidity: have a look on libreoffice.org and openoffice.org they have some good personal finance templates for spreadsheets [14:41] the call log on my android is now empty :-| [14:41] i didn't do anything [14:42] foobarry: you called wipe_my_phone.com didn't you :) [14:43] davmor2: Cool. Thanks. I quite liked Skrooge when I looked, but don't have time to do everything at the moment. Evenings are rammed. :-( [15:28] davmor2: really? ooh, scary changes.. i'm on 13.10 right now [15:28] not jumped yet [15:29] NET||abuse: Apt 1.0 on trusty, it lacks auto complete but everything else about it is nicer === marcushaslam_ is now known as marcushaslam === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:04] ali1234, was it you who documented a process for doing uefi secure boot in ovmf? [16:04] yeah [16:04] but using windows tools [16:05] http://al.robotfuzz.com/playing-with-uefi-secure-boot-part-1-ovmf/ [16:06] ali1234, did you sign a kernel+initrd? [16:06] no [16:06] only uefi "hello world" [16:07] damn, must've been someone else === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:15] fsdf [19:08] hard === Richard is now known as Guest64953 [19:09] must resist family unfriendly comment [19:17] diddledan_: ;) [19:23] i think it may be a curry night [19:23] Liberation Day tomorrow! [19:43] bit of a bummer that the UK doesn't do anything for VE day :/ [19:47] that *is* a surprise [19:51] I know! I mean, we earned it. and it's a pretty epic excuse for having 3 bank holiday weekends in a row [19:52] :D [19:52] this coming Monday isn't one as well is it? [19:52] presumably not based on my phone [19:53] nope :( [19:54] ok time to nip down the curry house [19:54] i'd try a restaurant tonight but i can't be bothered to fix my dishevelled (sp) appearance in order to attend :D [22:27] https://www.dropbox.com/s/05gdoiywpuqzxj7/storage.png === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away