[00:12] <mapps> whos still around
[00:12] <mapps> wonder if i could put my machine outside in a shed and itd be ok hmm
[00:13] <daftykins> nah, moisture
[00:14] <mapps> would it be enough to do damage?
[00:14] <mapps> just its SO loud
[00:15] <daftykins> what is it? 0o
[00:16] <diddledan_> loud.
[00:16] <mapps> old dell desktop
[05:58] <MooDoo> hello all
[06:09] <Myrtti> whee
[06:09] <Myrtti> new Chrome works with Hangouts and Adobe Connect!
[06:16] <Myrtti> what's the current opinion on ISP's, which has the best price/quality ratio?
[06:17] <mapps> im on sky atm but got rubbish service
[06:17] <mapps> who u with atm?
[06:18] <Myrtti> TalkTalk Business and the speed has gone down the drain so badly we're looking at moving to fibre
[06:18] <Myrtti> no idea what's causing it
[06:18] <Myrtti> have tried all the tricks in the book
[06:23] <mapps> ah if you can get fttc  yea ust do that
[06:23] <mapps> i cant;(
[07:00] <dwatkins> I'm about to switch from IDNet to PlusNet as the price is the same, but PlusNet don't cap you at 200 GB a month downloaded.
[07:38] <Myrtti> the connection is so bad I feel like crying >____<
[07:48] <popey> Myrtti: I'm on virgin cable. fine here. rarely goes out, and is pretty quick http://www.speedtest.net/result/3487854745.png
[07:56] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy No Socks Day! :-D
[07:56] <popey> \o/ I have no socks on!
[07:58] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[07:58] <awilkins> Is it really No Socks Day?
[07:58] <awilkins> So it is
[07:59] <nigelb> Indeed. I'm not running today. I shall not be wearing socks.
[08:00]  * jussi throws smelly socks at nigelb
[08:01] <jussi> and its way too cold in my house for no socks. sorry.
[08:01] <nigelb> It's warm and mildly rainy here :)
[08:02] <awilkins> I can't believe I drove 50 miles for this shit
[08:02] <awilkins> OOps, apologies
[08:03] <awilkins> For any youths watching - that is a bad word and should not be repeated in polite company
[08:04] <awilkins> popey, I'm going to have to light a rocket under Virgin's butt... I only get about 25Mbit/s on my allegedly 60Mbit/s line
[08:04] <awilkins> Supposed to be upgraded to 100Mbit/s here this year as well
[08:05] <popey> mine was supposed to be next year
[08:05] <popey> then suddenly my modem rebooted one day and it was faster
[08:06] <awilkins> Have a feeling my wire may be poorly sick
[08:06] <awilkins> My modem says 60Mbit/s but I only get 25Mbit/s
[08:06] <awilkins> Maybe my impedance is off
[08:06] <awilkins> Although the local router has a history of congestion
[08:07] <awilkins> There was a time I was getting 150ms pings to the first hop because of all the little scrotes around where I live constantly torrenting things
[08:08] <Myrtti> yeah no cable for us
[08:09] <awilkins> VM sez : speed upgrade between Jan 2015 and June 1015
[08:09] <awilkins> TBH I don't care about raw bandwidth
[08:09] <awilkins> As long as I get consistent service and low pings, 25Mbit/s is totally enough for my needs
[08:10] <awilkins> I used to be very happy with 512Kbit/s
[08:10] <awilkins> If it's enough to get an OS ISO in less than 15 minutes, it's good enough
[08:10] <awilkins> Can install most triple-A games in about 2-3 hours so it's all good.
[08:13] <Myrtti> yeah there was a moment yesterday when I couldn't be in a Google Hangout and use Ryanair website at the same time
[08:13] <Myrtti> and the Hangout is choppy
[08:14] <awilkins> Knowing Ryanair, they probably wanted you to pay a supplement for extra server bandwidth
[08:14] <Myrtti> their website is a lot better now than it was six months ago
[08:15]  * awilkins pitches the idea of them getting people to pay for access to the new website
[08:28] <foobarry> realised i no longer have a cap on my broadband
[08:29] <bashrc> morning
[08:46] <foobarry> happiness is all of your esxi hosts in compliance with the host profile :)
[08:47] <TwistedLucidity> popey: I'm on VM too, just wish their up-speed wasn't so poor.
[08:47] <popey> meh
[08:47] <popey> although, having said "meh", I could possibly move services back to home now it's fairly quick
[08:47] <TwistedLucidity> It is really stable though, and (unofficial) static IP too.
[08:48] <popey> yeah
[08:48] <TwistedLucidity> You running off their SuperFlub, or just using that as a modem?
[08:48] <Laney> looking at moving currently and the lack of fast broadband turned me off a place I otherwise liked :(
[08:49] <TwistedLucidity> When I next move, I'll be dropping down to 7Mbps - and that's in a major city
[08:50] <TwistedLucidity> There's cable past the entrance to the street, but NTL didn't run the cable *into* the street. So whilst it is all around, I can't get any.
[08:50] <Laney> yep
[08:50] <Laney> they've not run cable to new build estates in nottm, and fttc/p generally hasn't rolled out either
[08:50] <TwistedLucidity> You in Notts then?
[08:50] <Laney> ya
[08:51] <popey> i have a netgear device behind my modem
[08:51] <popey> modem is in "modem only" mode
[08:51] <TwistedLucidity> Laney: Come along to Notts LUG!
[08:51] <Laney> haha
[08:51] <Laney> I heard they were quite ... beery
[08:51] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Snap - although mine's a Buffalo unit. It's great to have a router that actually does stuff.
[08:51] <TwistedLucidity> Laney: And what's wrong with that?
[08:51]  * TwistedLucidity falls over
[08:52] <ujjain2> I have sdb,sdc,sdd but no sda, does that mean this drive is not connected? there is no /dev/sda, just 3
[09:25] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:25] <nigelb> Hello davmor2
[09:25] <davmor2> Todays tune stuck in my head is the 2cellos version of viva la vida from clodplay iirc
[09:26] <davmor2> nigelb: how do chap long time no see
[09:27] <foobarry> davmor2: i have hamza, abu hamza (to the tune of hands up baby hands up )
[09:27] <foobarry> :S
[09:29] <davmor2> foobarry: hooks up surely
[09:29] <nigelb> davmor2: I'm good :)
[09:30] <MooDoo> hello davmor2
[09:34] <foobarry> doctor asked for a poo sample to check for h. pylori
[09:34] <foobarry> taken me 6 weeks to sync up a morning dump with my wife going into town shortly after :S
[09:34] <foobarry> anyway, not a pleasant process in all
[09:35] <nigelb> TMI.
[09:35] <foobarry> no really, i could give a lot more
[09:35] <foobarry> ..
[09:35] <foobarry> but i wont
[09:36] <davmor2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37zPu-hCy3I  now everyone can share in the tune in my head
[09:36] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:40] <nigelb> davmor2: How have you been?
[09:41] <jussi> davmor2: thats a rather nice recital
[09:42] <davmor2> nigelb: I'm a bit meh at the minute
[09:46] <MooDoo> we're all a bit meh at the moment.
[09:47] <jussi> me also
[09:48] <jussi> mind, I watched Achmed this morning, apparently he has a son... :D (yes, Jeff Dunham is funny)
[09:54] <hoover> Hi folks
[09:55] <MooDoo> hello hoover
[09:55] <hoover> BRB, lunchtime
[10:34] <Ahmed412> hi all , i'm looking for some guidance
[10:34] <Ahmed412> who is welling to help?
[10:35] <dwatkins> Ahmed412: please describe the problem, someone may be able to offer assistance
[10:35] <Ahmed412> its not a problem
[10:35] <dwatkins> perhaps you could elaborate
[10:36] <Ahmed412> I want to run virtualbox application under any linux
[10:36] <dwatkins> "any" linux?
[10:38] <TwistedLucidity> Ahmed412: Goto VirtualBox webiste, download (you'll get the latest version from there, your repos may be old), follow install guide
[10:41] <Ahmed412> sorry
[10:42] <Ahmed412> yes i know , what i 'm looking for is the most lite linux version that can run virtual box
[10:43] <Ahmed412> so the original system doesn't take many resources
[10:43] <Ahmed412> so what do you suggest for most lite linux system?
[10:44] <diplo> You can run Virtualbox via the CLI, or use KVM/Qemu ?
[10:45] <Ahmed412> is CLI or KVM/Qemu an operating system ?
[10:47] <TwistedLucidity> CLI - Command Line Interface
[10:47] <TwistedLucidity> KVM - Kernel Virtualisation Module
[10:51] <Ahmed412> no i'm looking for the most unix linux ubunt distro that can run virtual box
[10:51] <Ahmed412> sorry the most lite distro
[10:52] <Ahmed412> so the pc resuorces doesn't waste between the host & guest systems
[10:53] <diplo> http://lubuntu.net/ or something like that will be lowest on resources, should be fine running virtual box
[10:53] <diplo> The thing is with the lighter distros you lose some functionality etc
[10:53] <Ahmed412> yes something like that will be lowest on resources
[10:54] <diplo> http://xubuntu.org/
[10:54] <diplo> Or that
[10:54] <Ahmed412> functionality is not my goal
[10:54] <Ahmed412> i will only use it to run virtual box or any virtualizing application
[10:55] <Ahmed412> all ubuntu family is not that lite i need
[10:57] <diplo> Well if you are only wanting to virtualise stuff why not just run a server ? Won't have any of the desktop resources running
[10:58] <foobarry> spontaneous pc reboot while plugging in my usb mouse
[10:59] <SuperEngineer> foobarry: replace that mouse / check your psu!
[11:00] <foobarry> maybe static?
[11:00] <SuperEngineer> errrmmm..... nah
[11:00] <foobarry> scrape shoes on carpet, mouse touches the metal of my hdmi port, causes reboot
[11:00] <SuperEngineer> now you say :D
[11:01] <Ahmed412> thanks looks great idea
[11:03] <SuperEngineer> foobarry: connect pc to lightning conducter... just as effective ;)
[11:04] <Ahmed412> diplo: could you suggest me a server distro
[11:05] <SuperEngineer> cough... Ubuntu... cough
[11:05] <TwistedLucidity> Ahmed412: I use Ubuntu Server with KVM. Works well.
[11:05] <TwistedLucidity> I use VirtMan on a client to control the Guests
[11:05] <diplo> Well as SuperEngineer so eloquently put it and now TwistedLucidity youre in a Ubuntu channel so better advise that :)
[11:06] <diplo> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server
[11:06] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: I am advising Ubuntu as it is easy to set-up and there are pretty good docs; seems to me that Ahmed412 will need those (given they needed to query CLI and KVM)
[11:07] <SuperEngineer> agreed
[11:07] <TwistedLucidity> Ahmed412: If you are totally new to virtualisation, run VirtualBox on a desktop first. Get an understanding what is going on.
[11:07] <TwistedLucidity> Ahmed412: Then worry about KVM etc.
[11:09] <Ahmed412> i know virtualizing but on windows
[11:10]  * SuperEngineer screams in fear
[11:10] <Ahmed412> what i'm trying to do is to run specific applications on virtualized windows under unix
[11:11] <Ahmed412> as wine doesn't compatiple with this application
[11:12] <SuperEngineer> Ahmed412: have you checked on WineHQ for any help in getting it to run
[11:13] <SuperEngineer> http://www.winehq.org/
[11:14] <Laney> slow club on 6 music currently ♥
[11:14] <Ahmed412> thanks guys for your advices & support, bye
[11:21] <SuperEngineer> Thinking of virtualbox... downloaded Tails yesterday... just fired it up in VirtualBox.
[11:22] <SuperEngineer> It  evens detects & warns you that you are using virtual machine & therefore underlying opsys *will* know about the stuff it hopes to keep private.  Impressed.
[11:25] <SuperEngineer> [Tails = "The Amnesiac Incognito Live System"] Tails is much easier to say ;)
[12:17] <hoover> back
[13:54] <NET||abuse> I want to figure out a nice way to track my daily expenses, i've a little app on my phone, "Smart Receipts" But i've got sainsburies receipts that hav ethe date on the back, and i can only attach one image to the receipts entry
[13:54] <NET||abuse> What the bloody hell sainsburries.
[14:02] <bashrc> NET||abuse: https://github.com/bashrc/fin
[14:05] <NET||abuse> hehe,
[14:05] <NET||abuse> I wasn going to start by just using my phone to photograph my receipts. And this smart receipts app isn't tied to any online service, so i can tie in the data to whatever i want to use.
[14:05] <NET||abuse> so my problem is, how to deal with receipts like sainsburries.
[14:06] <NET||abuse> the app itself isn't the sisue
[14:13] <NET||abuse> well, personal finances are grand, i need expese tracking and small company accounts stuff.. was going to start a go-lang project.
[14:14] <diddledan_> golang is funky
[14:21] <NET||abuse> diddledan_: yeh, i've built a couple little basic tools for myself in it, just really digging into the net/http or mux wrappers for it to start doing web apps now
[14:22] <diddledan_> even more funky is: https://github.com/gopherjs/gopherjs
[14:22] <NET||abuse> and have to work on database stuff next,, for finance mangement, i think rdbms is the best option, so mysql is the obvious choice as that's what i know best, but i was wondering what would a non sql based db offer for finance.
[14:24] <NET||abuse> diddledan_: oh god, more transcody fun, that stuff melts my head.
[14:26] <NET||abuse> saw some talks in go group about llvm and transcompiling to other things or from js to golang
[14:29] <TwistedLucidity> NET||abuse: Careful of trying to solve and problem that is already (or mostly) solved. There's a glut of expenses management applications around. Most based on double-entry.
[14:29] <TwistedLucidity> It might be better to find one that is close and extend that.
[14:29] <TwistedLucidity> Unless you're doing it for pure interest/learning of course; in which case, have at it.
[14:29] <NET||abuse> :( but then i dont get to bitch and moan how hard it is to code something like that from scratch
[14:30] <NET||abuse> :) half the fun is in doing it myself even if i spend a month or two at it in spare time only to abandon it later.. ultimately a good learning experience for go coding
[14:30] <TwistedLucidity> GNUCash and jGnash are beasts. One of them should do it.
[14:30] <TwistedLucidity> There's a KDE one too I think, name escapes me just now.
[14:31] <TwistedLucidity> And a CLI one that's meant to be really powerful (i.e. scriptable). Name also escapes me.
[14:31] <TwistedLucidity> I used to download my account statements as a CSV, sanitise them (for names, labels etc) and then load them into jGnash.
[14:31] <NET||abuse> there was that personal finances one mentioned earlier, fin
[14:32] <TwistedLucidity> It could recognise names and knew which account they should go into.
[14:32] <TwistedLucidity> No matter how much I polished it, the answer was always the same: You're broke, sunshine.
[14:32] <TwistedLucidity> :(
[14:32] <NET||abuse> wxbanker clipf kmymoney skrooge
[14:32] <NET||abuse> hehe, apt-cache search is fun
[14:33] <TwistedLucidity> Skrooge! That were it
[14:34] <bashrc> when I started keeping track of expenses I looked at GNUcash and it looked much too complex for what I needed
[14:36] <davmor2> NET||abuse: if you are on Trusty just use apt search :)
[14:36] <bashrc> fin is also scriptable.  you can stick it into .bashrc to tell you how little cash you have remaining
[14:37] <TwistedLucidity> bashrc: GNUcash is the equivalent of...thingy on Windows. It is rather complex because it is the sledgehammer for your personal finances walnut. It's really intended for business use AIUI.
[14:37] <TwistedLucidity> Quciken.
[14:37] <bashrc> yes that was my impression
[14:37] <TwistedLucidity> bashrc: That would be depressing.
[14:38] <davmor2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7416357/
[14:38] <TwistedLucidity> tl@foo -£1234.56 :~$
[14:38] <awilkins> Wonder if org-mode has a personal finances mangler...
[14:38] <awilkins> Does everything else...
[14:39] <awilkins> (except being usable from a decent text editor...)
[14:39] <bashrc> I'm not sure.  org-mode does a lot of stuff
[14:39] <bashrc> you can also make tables and use it like a spreadsheet
[14:40] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: have a look on libreoffice.org and openoffice.org they have some good personal finance templates for spreadsheets
[14:41] <foobarry> the call log on my android is now empty :-|
[14:41] <foobarry> i didn't do anything
[14:42] <davmor2> foobarry: you called wipe_my_phone.com didn't you :)
[14:43] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Cool. Thanks. I quite liked Skrooge when I looked, but don't have time to do everything at the moment. Evenings are rammed. :-(
[15:28] <NET||abuse> davmor2: really? ooh, scary changes.. i'm on 13.10 right now
[15:28] <NET||abuse> not jumped yet
[15:29] <davmor2> NET||abuse: Apt 1.0 on trusty, it lacks auto complete but everything else about it is nicer
[16:04] <directhex> ali1234, was it you who documented a process for doing uefi secure boot in ovmf?
[16:04] <ali1234> yeah
[16:04] <ali1234> but using windows tools
[16:05] <ali1234> http://al.robotfuzz.com/playing-with-uefi-secure-boot-part-1-ovmf/
[16:06] <directhex> ali1234, did you sign a kernel+initrd?
[16:06] <ali1234> no
[16:06] <ali1234> only uefi "hello world"
[16:07] <directhex> damn, must've been someone else
[18:15] <darrenr> fsdf
[19:08] <Richard> hard
[19:09] <diddledan_> must resist family unfriendly comment
[19:17] <daftykins> diddledan_: ;)
[19:23] <daftykins> i think it may be a curry night
[19:23] <daftykins> Liberation Day tomorrow!
[19:43] <shauno> bit of a bummer that the UK doesn't do anything for VE day :/
[19:47] <daftykins> that *is* a surprise
[19:51] <shauno> I know!  I mean, we earned it.  and it's a pretty epic excuse for having 3 bank holiday weekends in a row
[19:52] <daftykins> :D
[19:52] <daftykins> this coming Monday isn't one as well is it?
[19:52] <daftykins> presumably not based on my phone
[19:53] <shauno> nope :(
[19:54] <daftykins> ok time to nip down the curry house
[19:54] <daftykins> i'd try a restaurant tonight but i can't be bothered to fix my dishevelled (sp) appearance in order to attend :D
[22:27] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/05gdoiywpuqzxj7/storage.png