[00:00] <Bashing-om> viper474: I am late to the party, did our project 'klutz' get operational with a minimal install ?
[00:00] <zykotick9> Praxi: just as a sidenote, you might be interested in LABELs vs UUIDs, easier IMO
[00:00] <viper474> Bashing-om: he's got an issue now.
[00:00] <PurpleHaze> r* what sorry fontsa small in my client butg sudo does not handle logging it doesent innstruct5 syslog to do anything diff
[00:00] <Praxi> kk will check it zykotick9
[00:01] <sam_____> zykotick9:  it returns -rw root root <date> Xauthority
[00:01] <qin_> !tab | PurpleHaze
[00:01] <drakedouay> Not sure which channel I should be in. I have questions regarding IPv6 and IPv4, could someone point me to a channel?
[00:01] <rww> PurpleHaze: May  7 17:01:20 magenta sudo:   robert : TTY=pts/3 ; PWD=/home/robert ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/apt-get update
[00:01] <rww> PurpleHaze: this is far more useful than a log entry saying "someone used su to do something! no idea what, but there you go!"
[00:01] <Bashing-om> viper474: Active at the present time as guest??? or some other nick ?
[00:01] <PurpleHaze> ubuntu channel whats up?
[00:01] <zykotick9> sam_____: that root root _is_ an issue!  i'm not sure why you can't use "sudo chown sam:sam .Xauthority"  but beyond that, i don't know what you're doing incorrectly
[00:02] <viper474> Bashing-om: I think he's borked. We tried to get lxde added and running. Added it to .xinitrc and he rebooted. Now his login screen is blinking and he can't get in. guest98765
[00:02] <nikitis> I need a guide to setup vnc on ubuntu 14.04 LTS.
[00:02] <PurpleHaze> is this ubuntu v Linux?
[00:02] <nikitis> I can't get it to work
[00:03] <Deihmos> anyone know how to remove grub from an efi partition
[00:03] <zykotick9> sam_____: but going-forward, NEVER use sudo with GUI applications, use "gksudo foo" instead.  or this will happen again
[00:03] <Bashing-om> viper474: uhhh, I hate when that happens, mixing GTK engines and themes, not generally IMO, a good idea !
[00:04] <user__> sammykur
[00:04] <PurpleHaze> dehimos if you installed it to the mbr ity wouldnt have been installed if you used the new disk layout shouldnt be a prob
[00:05] <zykotick9> sam_____: you could try using the full path, so "sudo chown sam:sam /home/sam/.Xauthority" (note capitailization mAtTeRs)
[00:06] <sam_____> zykotick9: I will try it now
[00:06] <Bashing-om> guest98765: It's me again. What now is the situation ? maybe I can be of some assistance (??).
[00:06] <PurpleHaze> dehimos with secure boot things have moved from mbr to g**
[00:06] <nikitis> Any experts on VNC?
[00:06] <nikitis> I need a hand holder
[00:06] <rww> PurpleHaze: secure boot is unrelated to GPT
[00:06] <rww> You're perhaps thinking of UEFI.
[00:06] <guest98765> Bashing-om: cant login... the screen is blinking to fast...
[00:07] <PurpleHaze> rww ** was pt
[00:07] <sam_____> zykotick9: it didn't give me any error this time I bet it worked
[00:07] <rww> PurpleHaze: yes, hence me pointing out that Secure Boot is unrelated to the move from MBR to GPT
[00:07] <Bashing-om> guest98765: You have a login manager now, or is the login attempt from the terminal ?
[00:07] <zykotick9> sam_____: try logging in from GUI/DM now :)
[00:08] <PurpleHaze> rww no have you tried to install grub to gpt when you have come back
[00:08] <zykotick9> sam_____: alt+f7 will probably get you back to GUI BTW
[00:08] <rww> PurpleHaze: Yes.
[00:09] <PurpleHaze> go on then?
[00:09] <guest98765> Bashing-om:  terminal
[00:09] <rww> PurpleHaze: Please explain how this is relevant to secure boot?
[00:09] <PurpleHaze> lol more like no you didnt
[00:09] <sam_____> zykotick9: It worked
[00:09] <Deihmos> i installed ubuntu and now I want to get rid of it. Deleted the partions but I still see it at boot menu
[00:09] <Bashing-om> guest98765: think'n .
[00:09]  * zykotick9 has used GPT partitions, but has never used UEFI, so also believe those are unrelated...  rww
[00:09] <zykotick9> sam_____: NICE!
[00:10] <sam_____> zykotick9: thank you verymuch. I will post the solution in forum aswell or if you want to post it to increase reputation
[00:10] <qin_> Deihmos: And what system are you using?
[00:10] <rww> zykotick9: Indeed. I was oversimplifying in an attempt to move things closer to reality :)
[00:10] <viper474> Bashing-om: only thing I could think is mount from livecd or different computer. But I think he's getting tired of this.
[00:10] <Deihmos> efi
[00:10] <qin_> Deihmos: os?
[00:10] <Deihmos> win 8
[00:10] <PurpleHaze> ok as a sign of note fuck the ubuntu support channel the heads donnt even know linux
[00:11] <PurpleHaze> night
[00:11] <qin_> Bye
[00:11] <zykotick9> sam_____: i don't use ubuntu forums, so go right ahead!
[00:12] <sam_____> zykotick9: ok Thanks again. I though I have to do all my setting on a new user . now I don't have to
[00:12] <sam_____> zykotick9: so next time that I want to run lightdm I have to type gksudo lightdm???
[00:12] <zykotick9> sam_____: final message: don't use sudo with GUI anymore ;)
[00:13] <qin_> sam_____: lightdm is a service!!!!
[00:13] <zykotick9> sam_____: ahhh, lightdm would need to be started from console would it not?  so gksudo won't work there!?!
[00:13] <qin_> sam_____: sudo service lightdm stop|start|restart
[00:13] <sam_____> zykotick9:  so gksudo gedit etc/apt/sources.list is better?
[00:14] <zykotick9> sam_____: OH yes!
[00:14] <sam_____> ok now I see thanks qin and zykotick9
[00:17] <q0> why's ubuntu source files are like an italian spagetti ?
[00:17] <q0> different from all the other OSes and full of unique labels
[00:17] <rww> q0: which source files?
[00:18] <q0> system headers and sources
[00:18] <Trillionaire> mmm..spagetti...
[00:18] <zykotick9> q0: that's the ubuntu-way ;)  see /etc/apt/source.list.d/ directory for PPAs/etc.
[00:18] <rww> zykotick9: I'm not sure if they mean that or source code / headers
[00:18] <nikitis> I need help, I've setup xfce4 and vncserver and have run it, When i connect via tightvncviewer on a windows box, it connects but all I get is a grey screen and X cursor.  Ubuntu 14.04.  I don't know how to fix this.  Please help.
[00:19] <zykotick9> rww: nor am i ;)
[00:19] <q0> there isn't anything in that folder, i think i meant the source code/headers
[00:19] <Bashing-om> guest98765: can you reboot to the grub menu ? maybe we can get to a terminal using "text" boot paamater ??
[00:20] <q0> of the system base, kernel and includes etc
[00:20] <rww> q0: do you have a specific example of something that's spaghetti in Ubuntu and not in some other OS?
[00:20] <q0> yes 1 sec
[00:22] <Bashing-om> viper474: for guest98765 I had also considered maybe burning a liveDVD, and change rooting into the install, maybe though we can get a terminal through grub.
[00:22] <syeekick> alternative to wicd-curses?
[00:22] <viper474> Bashing-om: he made it into the login now
[00:23] <zykotick9> syeekick: manually with /etc/network/interfaces <- not that i'd want to...
[00:23] <mib_mib> hi all - i just installed ubuntu 14.04 and python - except i get this error: >> import io as _io  >> File "/usr/lib/python2.7/io.py", line 51, in <module>  >> import _io  >>ImportError: No module named _io -- what is this all about? anyone encoutered this?
[00:23] <syeekick> yuck
[00:24] <guest98765> Bashing-om: no DVD... this cd has problems with CDs over 670...
[00:25] <guest98765> Bashing-om: one minute... rebooting from purge lxde
[00:25] <cpined> hello, I have Fedora 64 running in virtualbox, can I stop the windows from resizing everytime I move the mouse?
[00:25] <Bashing-om> viper474: guest98765 , well if we hve a terminal, there is hope we can  fix things. guest98765 so long as we have a terminal, no need for a DVD.
[00:26] <DaRude2> Soooo tried to install catalysy fglrx driver on a clean install rebooted and now i can't log in, after entering the password screen flickers and just asks for password again hmmmm
[00:27] <Bashing-om> DaRude2: Might try booting with grub's "nomodeset" parameter, once to the desk top, might be able to change that driver.
[00:27] <tb0111011> Out of curiosity, why is the password locked on the root account by default?
[00:29] <DaRude2> Bashing-om: just removed xorg.conf will try nomodeset if that wont work
[00:32] <Bashing-om> tb0111011: see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo .
[00:32] <guest98765> Bashing-om: viper474  rebooted and still blinking after purging lxde
[00:33] <viper474> guest98765: I think it's .xinitrc if you haven't changed it back
[00:33] <Bashing-om> guest98765: Yeh, that file is going to be parsed. need it to be right !
[00:34] <elfMobile> how do you install ia32-libs on 14.04?
[00:34] <vonsyd0w> hello, how do you select another wired network connection in ubuntu 14.04/gnome 3.11? I've created a static IP connection, but it defaults to the default "Wired Connection". I'm stumped
[00:35] <vonsyd0w> The wired network connection icon is gone from the top bar, so you cannot select a specific connection, only a wifi connection.
[00:35] <guest98765> Bashing-om: viper474 so puppy linux might work?
[00:36] <viper474> Bashing-om: we started down this path because calibre warned about no x server.
[00:37] <Bashing-om> viper474: I would think that with xorg install, "Xserver" should be taken care of, hang on a tic and let me check with my system (xfce4).
[00:37] <Ben64> elfMobile: you don't. you install the individual ones that you need
[00:38] <viper474> Bashing-om: yea, so I thought but it kept telling him unable to connect after startx
[00:38] <guest98765> Bashing-om: viper474   well this is interesting .... everything just went dead...
[00:40] <Bashing-om> viper474: xorg -> Depends: xserver-xorg , Depends: x11-xserver-utils ; should have been covered !
[00:41] <hjkhl> i changed the /etc/hosts and i've deleted the entry, but now it keeps pointing to the changed host no matter what.
[00:42] <Bashing-om> guest98765: dead ? try key combo ctl+alt+Prt_Scrn + reisub , press the sequence reisub while the other 3 are depressed s l o w l y. should shut down gracefully and reboot.
[00:43] <hjkhl> nevermind its working again.
[00:44] <guest98765> Bashing-om: viper474 need to shut down @ 9 and head for the bed... 9 days of vacation has come to an end... any recomendations for a thin distro other than puppy?
[00:45] <Bashing-om> guest98765: There are many, for fast light and works - firefox - out of the box, try DSL ( Damn Small Linux ), I have been impressed with it !
[00:46] <guest98765> Bashing-om: DSL and puppy have guis?
[00:47] <Bashing-om> guest98765: yes, both do. I have not used puppy, have heard good things too about it . With DSL, one has to pre partition ( easy to do).
[00:48] <guest98765> Bashing-om:  i do that with gparted anyhow...
[00:48] <elfMobile> package to get CPU temp?
[00:49] <Bashing-om> guest98765: with DSL, the partitioner is included with the installer.
[00:50] <guest98765> Bashing-om:  ok I will down load both and put them on a cd and see what happens...
[00:50] <Bashing-om> elfMobile: one: -> sudo apt-get install lm-sensors <-.
[00:51] <DaRude2> Bashing-om:  nomodeset didn't help. I do get the login screen but only on one monitor, and same thing after i enter password it just cycles back to login screen
[00:52] <Bashing-om> guest98765: Right on, Like I say, for what it is DSL is impressive, blows me away what it will run on and perform !
[00:52] <guest98765> Bashing-om: viper474 it might be a few weeks before I have a chance to drop back in here... But I will be reading about thin distros and check out my choices
[00:52] <guest98765> Bashing-om: terminal commands? are they Debian?
[00:53] <Cidd> Hey all. I was wondering if any of you genius people could help me with a weird issue I have since after today's update?
[00:53] <guest98765> Bashing-om:  for DSL
[00:53] <Bashing-om> DaRude2: Humm, maybe more here than the graphics driver ??
[00:53] <DaRude2> Bashing-om: shouldn't clean install graphics driver is the first thing i tried
[00:55] <Bashing-om> guest98765:  Yeah, DSL is linux alla the way. debian terminal commands same same, results may be slightly different.
[00:56] <ImpatientJerk> I am performing a standard LVM/Luks installation of Ubuntu 14.04.  At the last stages of the install, I receive the notice "Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed.', accompanied by '...attempt to install to encrypted disk without cryptodisk enabled...' in the syslog.  What might cause this?
[00:56] <guest98765> Bashing-om:  good starting point being Debian...
[00:57] <Bashing-om> DaRude2: Clean install, and have yet to get it to boot ? // what box, and what graphics chips are we talking about here.
[00:58] <Bashing-om> guest98765: Debian is linux, as long as it is linux, we are in good hands.
[00:58] <guest98765> Bashing-om:  Mandriva had some really wierd commands.... urpmi  etall
[00:59] <Bashing-om> guest98765: Just be aware, that this is ubuntu support channel, we can not help directly with other distributions.
[01:00] <guest98765> Bashing-om: viper474  thanks for all your help with ubuntu mini... I know...  still thanks for all your help.
[01:01] <Bashing-om> guest98765: Well ! Glad I have not been there !.. susie, slackware and a couple other ( hey knopix is nice !) , some small experience, does not extend to all of them, HUH ?
[01:02] <Molean> nith1210:  Ben64 If I make a mistake in one of these commands, how can I know?
[01:02] <viper474> guest98765: only a little dissapointed we couldn't get you up and running.
[01:02] <jcstarken> Should I upgrade to 14.04?
[01:02] <Ben64> Molean: it will probably tell you
[01:03] <Bashing-om> guest98765: Glad to assist, it is and was interesting, may not be the end to it yet. I still think with care and attention can be done.
[01:03] <Molean> Ben64: tell me what exactly?
[01:04] <Ben64> Molean: an error message will come up
[01:05] <Bashing-om> DaRude2: You still hang'n with us ? machine ? and chip set known ? or back up and regroup.
[01:08] <Bashing-om> jcstarken: Open ended question there, what release are you running now, and why do you consider a release upgrade ?
[01:08] <DaRude2> Bashing-om: it did boot but only 3 out of 4 monitors came up, so first thing i tried was to switch from radeon to ati drivers. I see now that lshw shows that there were no drivers associated with vedeo cards
[01:09] <jcstarken> Bashing-om: 12.04 lts, and the reason I call it an upgrade is because of the new features I have read about
[01:10] <DaRude2> just purged fglrx rebooted with default radeon driver it booted to login screen and got the "Could not switch monitor configuration/could not set the configuration for CRTC 64" pop up
[01:10] <Deihmos> anyone know how to mount a efi system partition
[01:10] <Molean> Ben64: why type a command to reboot, couldn't I just use the reset button for the same effect?
[01:10] <Bashing-om> DaRude2: Multiple monitors is not in my spere of knowledge. But yeah, gotta have the drivers to drive them. Are you up on a desk top presently ?
[01:11] <Ben64> Molean: if you want to potentially damage your filesystem, sure
[01:11] <jcstarken> Bashing-om: i am using a laptop and can not afford a new mac so looking to build a machine that will run really well with ubuntu I have 12.04 just how I want it but 14.04 seems smoother
[01:12] <Molean> Ben64: It says it will default everything, it means only the video card drivers, right?
[01:12] <Ben64> Molean: pretty much all video stuff
[01:13] <DaRude2> Bashing-om: yeah loged in with a bunch of report this problem popups. Oh and it's running two Radeon HD 2600XT, on Intel Q6600 cpu
[01:13] <Molean> Ben64: Would it mean having to reput in codex's?
[01:13] <Ben64> Molean: no
[01:13] <Bashing-om> jcstarken: Yeah, I do understand from postings that 14.04 is much smoother, and there are enhabcements. I have also seen to wait for 14.04.1 to be released before upgrading. Yhink at this point it is all a perrsonal thing, I have seen no one unhappy going to 14.04 from 12.04.
[01:14] <Molean> Ben64: So basically only the video card drivers, and nothing else, right?
[01:14] <jcstarken> Bashing-om: Thank you for your time.
[01:14] <Ben64> Molean: any other customizations of xorg too
[01:15] <Molean> Ben64: What does xorg do?
[01:15] <Ben64> !xorg | Molean
[01:15] <TM26> I just read about .. Ubuntu has a dark side !! With NSA ??? Is that truth.???
[01:15] <Bashing-om> DaRude2: how old are the 2600xt cards ?? not sure about the nomenclature of those cards, AMD dropped support for the 2X/3X/4X series of cards ? recon this applies to your cards ?
[01:16] <Molean> Ben64: I set to a different DE then original, will my work with the DE be undone?
[01:16] <Ben64> TM26: nope
[01:16] <Ben64> Molean: unlikely
[01:17] <rww> TM26: I'm sure #ubuntu-offtopic would love to debate the evidence of that in exquisite detail.
[01:17] <Bashing-om> jcstarken: hey np : ) .. we are all in this together !
[01:17] <TM26> rww thaks dude !!! :)
[01:17] <Molean> Ben64: Besides video drivers and video settings, what else might be effected by the xorg reset?
[01:17] <Ben64> Molean: should be it
[01:24] <slipnot> Does anyone have a good step by step to share printers on a kubuntu machine with a windows machine. I tried a lot of things with no avail
[01:29] <dhidyawdiyan> howdy all
[01:30] <ytain> hello, is anyone here able to help me figure out why my laptop is randomly turning off? I'm running Ubuntu 14.04, and that behaviour of shutting down randomly did start about a week ago. I cannot find any crash errors or something like that in the logs. How I can determine why?
[01:30] <cfhowlett> ytain on battery/AC?
[01:30] <ytain> AC
[01:30] <ytain> it also happens while on battery
[01:31] <IdleOne> over heating
[01:31] <cfhowlett> ytain and ONLY in buntu?
[01:31] <ytain> the time between random shutdowns varies
[01:31] <ytain> my laptop sits on a notebook cooler, so it's not overheating
[01:31] <cfhowlett> IdleOne but heated shutdown leaves a log or console message, right?
[01:31] <ytain> the temperature monitor shows me normal temperature levels for hdd and cpu
[01:32] <IdleOne> cfhowlett: it should yes
[01:33] <ytain> any ideas?
[01:33] <cfhowlett> IdleOne no messages suggest a hardware error to me: short--circuit.  a spring on my drive flapdoor got loose and shorted to the mobo causing all kinds of bizarre behaviors.
[01:33] <pak-breng> ping
[01:34] <cfhowlett> !test|pak-breng
[01:35] <jcstarken> Bashing-om: one other question if say I do load the new release should I stay with 32bit or migrate to 64bit,
[01:38] <pak-breng> i think latest version of ubuntu more smooth in my machine, i was used x64
[01:41] <JU1CE> Hello
[01:44] <Tippiitoes> hey
[01:48] <elfMobile> I have the sensors command working... is there a widget I can install?
[01:52] <elfMobile> this seems like an empty room
[01:52] <Beldar> everyone is at dinner, ;)
[01:53] <macscam1> hey i have windows an ubuntu dual istalled on my lenovo ideapad. It's always given me a choice of which OS to boot when i turn it on, but now it goes straight to Ubuntu and also I can't access my Windows hard drive from within ubuntu like I could before. Any tips?
[01:54] <adeligen> I'm having problem with my audio "popping". When I open up Sound Settings I see "Analog Output" with a "Headphones" entry flickering in and out (in time with the pops). How would I go about debugging this?
[01:54] <elfMobile> lol... sersiously though.  How do I get an applet to show up?  I installed sensors-applet
[01:54] <adeligen> macscam1, sounds like an issue with GRUB. Your config maybe set to hide the prompt
[01:56] <Nimble> anyone know how to get the sound indicator to appear in 14.04?
[01:56] <Nimble> I've tried dpkg-reconfigure indicator-sound and I've tried to reinstall that package
[01:56] <Nimble> and rebooting and stuff
[01:57] <adeligen> macscam1 what is GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT set to in /etc/default/grub ?
[01:58] <sysroot> adeligen, you will not see the timer in grub with HIDDEN_TIMEOUT enabled
[01:59] <sysroot> i usually set the timeout to 0 and leave hidden_timeout enabled
[02:00] <hanasaki> what should I look for as to why ubuntu running in kvm with spice is such a slow gui?  the system is low load and a a high end i7
[02:01] <macscam1> adeligen https://gist.github.com/MaxPleaner/57f69384fe4cb480e3d6
[02:01] <adeligen> ah, my bad. For some reason I was thinking that hid the menu...
[02:08] <christy> I heard something about alsa amp or preamp (work around for low audio).  Anyone have information about it?
[02:09] <sysroot> adeligen, just change the timeout to 0 and you will not see the grub menu at booting
[02:13] <Deihmos> i don
[02:13] <Deihmos> i don't understand the purpose of adding online accounts . it does not seem to serve any purpose
[02:15] <s3ri0us> can anyone recommend a way to manage old log files, automatically deleting them etc
[02:15] <meganerd> s3ri0us: logrotate
[02:15] <s3ri0us> sweet, thanks meganerd
[02:16] <meganerd> s3ri0us: np
[02:16] <jose__> hello
[02:16] <jose__> do you speak in english
[02:16] <cfhowlett_> !english|jose__
[02:18] <Bashing-om> s3ri0us: Hey, cron should call 'logrotate' and manage logs on a schedule. cron is not doing so ?
[02:20] <hanasaki> anyone here an admin on the ubuntu forum site?  it keeps telling me to confirm my login, saying its confirmed, then asking for confirmation again
[02:21] <Ri881> Is it possible to run a GUI tool on command line so that "it doesn't care" if there is actually a GUI. Dummy GUI if you want
[02:22] <willwh> Ri881: sounds like you have something specific in mind?
[02:22] <meganerd> Ri881: a gui needs to be running, though you can spawn in that session over ssh
[02:22] <willwh> p.s. that's a hilariou question
[02:22] <willwh> :)
[02:22] <willwh> +s
[02:22] <meganerd> Ri881: export DISPLAY=":0"
[02:22] <meganerd> Ri881: before your command
[02:22] <willwh> that would do it ;]
[02:22] <willwh> (I've been playing xvfb a lot recently... was getting to it, I promise ;) )
[02:22] <willwh> with*
[02:23] <Ri881> meganerd: willwh ah, thanks :) I will test this
[02:23] <meganerd> Ri881: you wouldn't be coin mining by any chance?
[02:24] <Ri881> meganerd: yap. Damn daemon not available
[02:24] <Ri881> meganerd: and no source
[02:25] <rww> hanasaki: try #ubuntuforums
[02:30] <Deihmos> i don't understand the purpose of adding online accounts . it does not seem to serve any purpose
[02:32] <willwh> Deihmos: there isn't much really
[02:35] <derekeeeeely> bored
[02:37] <Deihmos> one thig I don't get about linux is the amount of time it takes to install simple things
[02:38] <Deihmos> to install my printer driver software it is a long process. on windows all i click is an exe. Why is it like that?
[02:38] <loa> you forgot about time to find that exe
[02:39] <cfhowlett_> !ot| Deihmos or ask in ##linux.
[02:39] <Deihmos> well it is ubuntu sooftware
[02:40] <cfhowlett_> Deihmos yes, but rants/complaints are far from support so - offtopic is the best channel
[02:40] <Deihmos> simple question
[02:41] <user__> I look at it like this how long would it take you to earn the money to pay for just the OS and the preinstalled software if you were using windows?
[02:41] <cfhowlett_> Deihmos windows ain't linux.   linux ain't windows.  differences are to be expected.
[02:42]  * mintgreen is away: さようなら
[02:42] <cfhowlett_> Deihmos when enough people demand OEM support, this situation will improve.  until the, we rely on the volunteers and coders to hack/crack and back-engineer the required drivers.
[02:42] <Deihmos> this is oem software
[02:43] <cfhowlett_> Deihmos your hardware has OEM linux support?  nice!
[02:43] <Deihmos> http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/install/index.html
[02:43] <cfhowlett_> !details|Deihmos
[02:45] <ok_me> ..
[02:50] <baduser> Hi. For some weird reason I can access every site on the internet, except www.youtube.com. When I try to ping that hostname I get: ping: unknown host www.youtube.com. The most weird thing is, this happened the last 2 hours and I didn't change anything in my DNS/network configuration.
[02:50] <baduser> Before that, it worked fine.
[02:51] <gartral> in 13.10, where is the screen saver settings?
[02:53] <gartral> baduser: what does /etc/hosts say?
[02:54] <adeligen> I'm having problem with my audio "popping". When I open up Sound Settings I see "Analog Output" with a "Headphones" entry flickering in and out (in time with the pops). How would I go about debugging this?
[02:54] <Ben64> baduser: sounds like a network problem, not an ubuntu problem
[02:55] <baduser> gartral: it's full of ad-serving hostnames I blocked years ago (hundreds of entries), but cat  /etc/hosts | grep www.youtube.com doesn't yield anything.
[02:56] <gartral> baduser: and cat /etc/hosts | grep youtube
[02:56] <gartral> baduser: humor me
[02:57] <baduser> gartral: nothing
[02:57] <Ben64> baduser: pastebin "dig www.youtube.com
[02:57] <Ben64> without that quote
[03:00] <baduser> Ben64: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7413832/
[03:01] <Ben64> baduser: use a different/better dns server
[03:01] <Sivik> 4.2.2.1 and 8.8.8.8 and 4.2.2.2 are good global nameservers
[03:02] <baduser> alright. thanks.
[03:13] <rushiop> hi, i have a little problem, i want to update my 12.04 ubuntu to 14.04 from a usb, but when i boot it, it's sent me to grub menu.
[03:13] <rushiop> how i go to the virtual desktop and install it from it?
[03:20] <Molean> HELP please, I changed video cards because the old one died, but then I couldn't get into desktop, so I boot from usb live and get some instructions
[03:20] <Molean> http://askubuntu.com/questions/68306/how-do-i-remove-the-propretary-ati-drivers
[03:20] <Molean> But it's not working right
[03:20] <Molean> when I choose sudo rm , it says there is no such directory. Abd
[03:20] <Molean> and
[03:22] <Molean> It can't find either libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 or libgl1-mesa-dri:i386
[03:23] <Molean> I tried the rest of the instructions despite this, but not the problems worse
[03:23] <Molean> Anyone here?
[03:23] <hjkhl> i reinstalled ubuntu 14.04 and i cant find the packages in the software center (ran apt-get update) still no luck
[03:24] <islam> ?
[03:24] <hjkhl> (i find packages, but i dont find everything i used to find)
[03:25] <Molean> Any knowledgable helpers on?
[03:25] <cfhowlett> !ask|Molean
[03:25] <Molean> cfh I already asked
[03:25] <Molean> Im not going to repeat the whole thing over and over
[03:26] <Molean> cfh, are you free to help?
[03:27] <cfhowlett> Molean post the details.  you're thread is one of THOUSANDS ...
[03:27] <cfhowlett> *your*
[03:28]  * mintgreen is away: ロンドンで証券ディーラーとして働くセバスチャンは、父親レミが癌を患っているとの知らせを聞き、故郷のモントリオールに戻る。歴史学の教授であるレミは頑固で酒好き、更に女癖が悪
[03:31] <Molean> cfhowlett: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7413895/
[03:33] <cfhowlett> Molean I read it.  I've not encountered/handled this issue, but your process seems sound.  no idea why it didn't work.  Only suggestion: reboot and reinstall your drivers.  (I know, PITA ...)
[03:34] <Molean> cfhowlett: How do I install or uninstall drivers if I can't get to the desktop?
[03:34] <Molean> I know it's possible, but I lack the necessary expertise
[03:34] <cfhowlett> Molean boot to command line
[03:34] <Molean> Then write a poem?
[03:34] <cfhowlett> Molean ok, wait ...
[03:42] <cfhowlett> Molean, sorry, forgot the correct terminology = recovery mode:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[03:43] <Molean> is that different then the menu I get when I press f2?
[03:44] <Molean> well either way I get dumped into a command prompt
[03:44] <Molean> which does me no good at all
[03:44] <cfhowlett> Molean ??? you can install anything from the command line!
[03:45] <Psil0Cybin> Hey can someone answer this silly question for me, I am using UFW and am getting spammed by my router :S for some reason (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2222335) in the forum post you can see examples, is this normal? I am reading up on getting multicast addresses from your router ip sending your packets or something
[03:45] <Psil0Cybin> do i block this? leave it be
[03:46] <Psil0Cybin> or what, becasue it looks like its flooding my logs every couple of minutes/seconds
[03:46] <Molean> cfhowlett: Only if you know how
[03:47] <vicsar> .
[03:47] <timinix> Hello Everyone! Looking for some help regarding an application I need to run for work.
[03:48] <Molean> cfhowlett: So would you please help me?
[03:48] <holstein> Psil0Cybin: its your router, and you should be able to trust it.. you are communicating with it, and it will be communicating back.. maybe try a security specific channel for more detail
[03:48] <Molean> holstein:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7413895/
[03:48] <holstein> Molean: you can use "sudo apt-get auto-remove package-name" typically.. have you tried?
[03:48] <Y2KVet> It looks like ALSA crashes Skype.  Any work around?
[03:48] <Molean> I don't know the names of what I need to add or remove
[03:49] <holstein> Molean: you dont "choose sudo rm"..
[03:49] <holstein> Molean: that doesnt even make sense, but dont run "sudo rm" to uninstall a driver or package
[03:49] <Molean> I didn't type the word choose, I was just saying I used that command
[03:49] <holstein> Molean: have you tried the graphics recovery kernel?
[03:50] <holstein> Molean: sure *dont* use that command to uninstall a driver or package
[03:50] <Molean> holstein: You mean that link is giving bad advice?
[03:50]  * Y2KVet agrees with holstein!
[03:50] <Psil0Cybin> holstein, which channel should i connect to? and how can I unblock/whitelist, that my ip/my router gateway. Of course it is obvious, but although it blocks packets, I am still able to browse the internet fine thus i am confused
[03:50] <Molean> holstein: What do you mean by graphics recovery kernel?
[03:51] <Psil0Cybin> why it is blocking some but not all...or how it is working exactly.
[03:51] <holstein> Molean: im not saying anything more or less than im saying, friend.. sudo rm does what it does, which is *not* uninstalling a package or driver
[03:51] <holstein> Molean: i mean, when you boot the machine, you see entries in grub.. one is for emergency recovery, which has options for "fixing" the graphics
[03:51] <holstein> Molean: have you tried that?
[03:52] <holstein> Molean: have you looked for an xorg.conf file? have you tried setting an xorg.conf file for a vesa driver?
[03:52] <Molean> holstein:  Which menu options do I choose to get to it?
[03:52] <Molean> holstein: Is this or is this not good instructions listed here? http://askubuntu.com/questions/68306/how-do-i-remove-the-propretary-ati-drivers?
[03:52] <holstein> Molean: you should be able to use http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209 to create an xorg.conf that will allow you to boot to your normal desktop and remove the drivers
[03:53] <holstein> Molean: have you tried the recovery console? or the vesa driver? if not, please try them
[03:53] <holstein> Molean: the guide you link is likely not from someone in your exact scenario
[03:53] <Molean> holstein: How do I try them?
[03:54] <Molean> holstein: So don't use it?
[03:54] <ripp_steakface> is there a good way to install a graphical applet or something to display temperature sensor info? xfce4-xfapplet-plugin doesn't exist for me
[03:54] <holstein> Molean: what would you like to do, friend?
[03:54] <holstein> Molean: do you want to remove the driver via the command line?
[03:55] <Molean> holstein: Get to my desktop
[03:55] <holstein> Molean: if so, go to is, and use the commands from the page you linked
[03:55] <holstein> Molean: so, in a terminal.. "sudo apt-get purge fglrx*
[03:55] <holstein> Molean: then sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:55] <holstein> Molean: have you done that?
[03:55] <quietone> one of our office users keeps losing the icons on the left. how to fix? 12.04LTS
[03:56] <holstein> Molean: if you have, then you have uninstalled the ati drivers you reference, and removed any xorg.conf files in place.. then, you reboot and test..
[03:56] <Molean> holstein: As that is what the guide said, yes I did. Would you please start answering a few questions and not switching topics so much
[03:56] <Molean> holstein: Should I use http://askubuntu.com/questions/68306/how-do-i-remove-the-propretary-ati-drivers  this guide or not? Yes or no?
[03:56] <holstein> Molean: i assure you , the *entire* topic here is me volunteering my time to getting to your desktop
[03:57] <holstein> Molean: you *did* use that guide
[03:57] <hikaruBG> hi all
[03:57] <ripp_steakface> hullo
[03:57] <hikaruBG> does anyone knows relatively cheap Java Hosting?
[03:57] <holstein> Molean: so, its irrelevant.. we are moving on.. did you run those 2 commands and reboot? if not, do that now and report
[03:57] <Molean> holstein: Well not exactly since things didnt work as they were suppose to. Should I have used it? Should I continue to work to get this guide to work, or is it flawed?
[03:58] <MarlaBrown> holstein: don't say anything but the exact thing i want to hear about my question
[03:58] <holstein> Molean: elaboarate, please.. did you run the 2 commands i gave in a terminal? yes?
[03:58] <holstein> MarlaBrown: who are you?
[03:58] <Molean> holstein: Yes I said, and as I said in the paste bin  sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf tells me there is no such directory
[03:59] <holstein> MarlaBrown: are you Molean ?.. please use only one nick to repond to me.. thanks
[03:59] <MarlaBrown> i am marlabrown obviously
[03:59] <Molean> No. I am not marla
[03:59] <holstein> Molean: ok. so, did you reboot? if not, do that now, and report, then we move on
[03:59] <MarlaBrown> holstein: i was satirizing their request of you
[04:00] <holstein> MarlaBrown: ok.. i didnt read your question
[04:00] <Molean> holstein: I can not talk to you and do these things at the same time, as I explained in the pastebin, I am using the very PC in question off a live flash drive
[04:00] <holstein> MarlaBrown: oh.. i see..
[04:00] <Molean> holstein: anyway, yes, I did, I explained what I did and the results, so why do you ask what I already told you?
[04:00] <holstein> Molean: sure.. just come back when you are ready to troubleshoot.. fixing this issue will require rebooting to test the graphics
[04:00] <Molean> holstein: So you aren't going to help me?
[04:01] <holstein> Molean: i asked, because its the next step.. thats all.. i do not mean any harm..
[04:01] <Molean> holstein: You ignore what I ask and what I answer, how can you help me that way?
[04:01] <holstein> Molean: you need to reboot to see if the graphics work now that you have the driver purged
[04:01] <cfhowlett> Molean he's TRYING to help you!
[04:01] <MarlaBrown> how can one answer when one ignores
[04:01] <Molean> but considering hes not listening to me, how can he?
[04:01] <holstein> Molean: reboot *is* the next step.. if you cant reboot, then, come back when you can
[04:01] <Molean> I rebooted already like I told you at least three times now!!!
[04:01] <holstein> Molean: its not a big deal .. thats just the next thing in the loop..
[04:02] <Molean> You are instructing me to do things I already explained I did right from the beginning
[04:02] <holstein> Molean: ok.. so, if you have purged the driver, and the xorg.conf, and tested after reboot, and you would like to boot to a desktop, what i would do is try a vesa driver to get to a normal desktop where you can work
[04:03] <Molean> holstein: How?
[04:03] <holstein> Molean: i realise this must be frustrating for you,with broken hardware.. and trying to replace.. but please use patience.. we are all volunteers.. thanks
[04:04] <holstein> Molean: one easy way to use the vesa driver is to put an xorg.conf in place that specifies it.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209
[04:04] <Molean> holstein: My impatience comes from your ignoring my words, not with any software or hardware
[04:04] <MarlaBrown> impatience comes from within
[04:04] <holstein> Molean: ok.. please try and be consice. all i need is.. you run 2 commands and reboot.. if you did that, thats fine
[04:04] <Molean> well impatience is the wrong word anyway, frusteration
[04:04] <MarlaBrown> also comes from within
[04:05] <MarlaBrown> #justsayin
[04:05] <Molean> And also as I explained, the second command resulted it it saying there was no such directory anyway
[04:05] <holstein> Molean: back to the case at hand, please.. did you create the xorg.conf?
[04:05] <Molean> holstein: I will try that now
[04:05] <holstein> Molean: sure.. the second command is "sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf".. you run it, you are presented with a message that states you dont have that file.. thats fine
[04:06] <Ben64> Molean: so did you stop following the instructions at that point
[04:06] <holstein> Molean: please, move on from that, and if you have not ran *precisely* the 2 commands and then rebooted the machine *regardless* of messages and output please do so
[04:07] <ndy> speech dispathcer is disable at startup how to enable it ubuntu is not mkin sound because of it
[04:08] <holstein> quietone: losing? you think they are accidentally removing them?
[04:08] <Molean> holstein: I ran those commands, and also ran the other commands listed on the webpage, like the instructions said, Like told you many times already
[04:09] <Molean> and rebooted
[04:09] <Molean> like I said
[04:09] <quietone> holstein, no, they just disappear and she can't work.
[04:09] <holstein> Molean: ok.. and the vesa xorg.conf?
[04:09] <Molean> holstein: that I ran the other commands negate running the first two?
[04:09] <Molean> working on it
[04:10] <holstein> Molean: how about the recovery mode? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode#Booting_into_recovery_mode
[04:10] <Molean> holstein: What about it? Meaningless
[04:11] <Molean> holstein: I had to go to that mod to input the previous commands, Like I said. And nothing I can do there if I dont know what to do there, like I said
[04:11] <holstein> quietone: they actually dont disappear. they are there when the application is open, and you can ask that they stay in the dock.. but, if they are not specified to stay, they do basically disappear.. have you researched the situation?
[04:11] <holstein> Molean: ok.. so, you have tried the graphics recovery mode there?
[04:11] <Molean> how many times are you going to repeat yourself, asking the same questions of me, ignoring my answers every time, and ignoring the questions I ask you too, holstain?
[04:11] <Molean> holstein: I asked you how to do that, you never told me
[04:12] <holstein> Molean: have you tried the graphics recovery mode there?
[04:12] <Molean> holstein: HOW??????
[04:12] <holstein> Molean: its in the menu, friend.. where you choose the terminal mode
[04:12] <quietone> holstein, I recall setting it so the dock is always on screen
[04:12] <Molean> holstein: Is it in the first level of gnome menu?
[04:12] <holstein> quietone: but, each application?
[04:12] <holstein> Molean: no.. .you are stating you are not able to boot gnome
[04:13] <Molean> holstein: Which menu options should I choose to get to graphics recovery mode?
[04:13] <quietone> holstein, I don't follow you. but all the icons on the left hand side simply go away and the user can't access them at all
[04:13] <Molean> holstein: I mean the f2 menu
[04:13] <Molean> whatever its called
[04:13] <holstein> Molean: this is why i keep repeating.. i get confuse when you mention gnome at this point
[04:13] <holstein> Molean: are you in gnome?
[04:13] <Molean> The one time you listen to me, it's when I use the wrong term, geez. Whats the proper term for the f2 menu?
[04:14] <holstein> quietone: try opening the application, and while the application is open, right click on it, and see if you see an option for "keep in dock"
[04:14] <Molean> holstein:  Whats the proper term for the f2 menu?
[04:14] <holstein> Molean: i feel there have been many wrong terms, which, im willing to be patient with, but i do need to be sure.. and know exactly what is going on.. so i ask for confirmation
[04:15] <Molean> holstein:  Whats the proper term for the f2 menu?
[04:15] <holstein> Molean: f2 wont happen there either. you are stating you are not in the desktop
[04:15] <Molean> holstein: A, grub menu, I wish you'd have just answered
[04:15] <holstein> Molean: from grub, you select the recovery mode. as stated here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode#Booting_into_recovery_mode
[04:16] <holstein> Molean: from there, you can try the graphics recovery tool.. if you have not, you may find it solves your issue
[04:16] <Molean> holstein: Then?
[04:16] <Molean> holstein:  Then?
[04:16] <holstein> Molean: then, just that.. ^ thy the fix tool
[04:16] <Molean> holstein: No give me specific instructions
[04:17] <holstein> Molean: select the recovery mode from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode#Booting_into_recovery_mode.. go to the graphics recovery mode, and follow the promts
[04:17] <Molean> holstein: So your calling that stupid command prompt "graphics recovery mode"?
[04:18] <Ben64> Molean: you're going to need to try at least a little bit
[04:18] <Molean> holstein: I already knew how the hell to get to the stupid command prompt, so please stop bringing it up already. If you don't have any instructions for what to do with that command prompt, you aren't helping me
[04:19] <holstein> Molean: this is not a "fix", but just a troubleshooting step that may or may not help.. if you find it "stupid" try the vesa xorg.conf. you can place that on the drive from a live CD if you prefer
[04:19] <cfhowlett> Molean frustration is understandable but unhelpful ... please dial back the attitude.
[04:19] <Ben64> Molean: everyone here is a volunteer. if you don't wish people to volunteer to ignore you, try to understand what is being said
[04:19] <holstein> Molean: there is a specific graphics recovery mode in there.. not the terminal mode.. but the actual graphics recovery mode
[04:19] <Molean> cfhowlett: Well I don't like people saying very unhelpful things and not listening yet carrying the fiction of doing the opposite
[04:20] <Molean> holstein: How do I reach it?
[04:20] <Ben64> Molean: he's told you countless times already
[04:20] <Molean> not oncre
[04:20] <holstein> Molean: if you dont see it, move on, friend.. try the vesa mode xorg.conf
[04:20] <Molean> not once
[04:20] <servo> if everyone else is wrong, you might be the one who is wrong
[04:20] <Molean> This linke https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode#Booting_into_recovery_mode does not say a word about a "graphics recovery mode"
[04:21] <holstein> Molean: ok.. no worries, friend.. try option 2..
[04:21] <Ben64> Molean: thats how to get to the recovery, yes, there is an option there for graphics
[04:21] <holstein> Molean: again, i realist you are frustrated. but, we didnt break anything here
[04:21] <holstein> realize*
[04:21] <Molean> Ben64: and where is that option?
[04:22] <Ben64> in the menu
[04:22] <holstein> Molean: its typically in the list.. maybe you are not running ubuntu, but a spin?
[04:22] <Molean> holstein: OK fine, but please, help me, or not.
[04:22] <Molean> holstein: Please choose one
[04:22] <servo> holstein: i notice you vacillate between realize and realise are you an expat?
[04:22] <Molean> holstein: and if you are going to help me, please listen
[04:22] <cfhowlett> !behelpful|servo
[04:22] <Ben64> Molean: you really are the one who needs to listen
[04:22] <holstein> Molean: are you running a spin of ubuntu?
[04:23] <holstein> Molean: thats my current question to you.. are you running a respin? mint maybe? or something ubuntu based?
[04:23] <Molean> holstein: There is no list at the command prompt, and it's ubuntu
[04:23] <Ben64> Molean: because you already chose the root shell option. slow down and look at the other options
[04:23] <servo> !sorry|cfhowlett
[04:23] <Molean> holstein: There is a command prompt, at the command prompt, nothing else
[04:23] <holstein> Molean: its not at the promt friend. its in the list where you choose the prompt
[04:24] <Molean> holstein: hmm?
[04:24] <holstein> Molean: *after* choose the kernel recovery mode *before* choose the prompt.. at the same list where the prompt mode is.. there should be graphics recovery. *but* if that is not the case, or you are having trouble finding it, just do the vesa xorg.conf, and you can get to a desktop
[04:25] <Molean> holstein: I asked you that earlier, but you only kept linking me here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode#Booting_into_recovery_mode
[04:25] <holstein> Molean: thats the first step..
[04:25] <Ben64> Molean: you ignored everything else that was said after that
[04:25] <Molean> holstein: you're contradicting yourself
[04:25] <holstein> Molean: from that list, as stated, is where you get the graphics recovery mode
[04:26] <Ben64> Molean: SLOW DOWN and listen, please
[04:26] <dw1> Molean: to uninstall drivers from a live cd you need to do a chroot. see #3-7 at http://tinyurl.com/ubchroot
[04:26] <Jonh> is all of you All Mangoirc user's
[04:26] <Molean> dw1:  You mean drivers of a hard drive when using a live?
[04:26] <dw1> Molean: yes
[04:27] <Dvorovoi> how do you run a second terminal from the command line?
[04:27] <Ben64> dw1: we don't need to go down that path
[04:27] <dw1> Molean: or just go to recovery prompt
[04:27] <dw1> k
[04:27] <Ben64> its already confusing enough :)
[04:27] <Y2KVet> Ctrl-Alt-F1
[04:28] <bicky> hello
[04:28] <Locke2002> Dvorovoi: Depending on what you want, you can install/use the program "screen", or what Y2KVet said
[04:28] <Y2KVet> or 'screen'
[04:28] <Y2KVet> Ctrl-Alt-F1 is less confusing
[04:28] <Dvorovoi> basically I have this file that is supposed to start something. but its just got script in it
[04:28] <Dvorovoi> and im trying to make a desktop icon to run it
[04:28] <holstein> !tty
[04:29] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: Right-click and create Launcher
[04:29] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: I dont have that option
[04:30] <Y2KVet> Oh.
[04:30] <Dvorovoi> ubuntu 14.04 on a file that is called a shell script when i look in properties
[04:30] <Dvorovoi> shell script (application/x-shellscript)
[04:30] <Y2KVet> OK...do you know where it is>
[04:31] <Dvorovoi> yep
[04:31] <Y2KVet> OK...you can do 1 of 2 things:
[04:31] <Y2KVet> 1. go to where it is and './scriptname' or 2. /here/it/is/scriptname
[04:31] <Dvorovoi> ive got a .desktop file prepared for it. i just gotta figure out how to execute it
[04:32] <Molean> How do I change permissions to try the vesa driver thing?
[04:32] <Y2KVet> I'm out of my league now.
[04:32] <holstein> Molean: no need.. you just put that file in place
[04:32] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: Will it pick up the .desktop file when you run it?
[04:32] <Molean> holstein: There is a need, the drivers other then flash are set to read only, so i cant change the xorg files contents
[04:33] <Molean> I mean drives
[04:33] <Molean> not drivers
[04:33] <Molean> How do I set the drives so I can write to them?
[04:33] <dw1> remount rw
[04:33] <bicky> hello i am new to ubuntu,i am using it in try mode and i am unable to access my window drives,every time i double click on drives this message shows up 'unable to access 144gb volume:Error mounting /dev/sda4 at /media/ubuntu/0210E62010E61B05: Command-line `mount -t "ntfs" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=999,gid=999,dmask=0077,fmask=0177" "/dev/sda4" "/media/ubuntu/0210E62010E61B05"' exited with non-zero exit status 14: The disk contains an unclean fil
[04:33] <bicky> e system (0, 0).
[04:33] <bicky> Metadata kept in Windows cache, refused to mount.
[04:33] <bicky> Failed to mount '/dev/sda4': Operation not permitted
[04:33] <bicky> The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown
[04:33] <bicky> Windows fully (no hibernation or fast restarting), or mount the volume
[04:33] <unopaste> bicky you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[04:33] <Y2KVet> dwl: better than my chmod answer.
[04:34] <holstein> Molean: this is just to edit that file, though.. you need not adjust permissions to address what you asked.. to "try the vesa driver".. only to edit the xorg.conf file
[04:34] <dw1> Molean: http://askubuntu.com/questions/175739/how-do-i-remount-a-filesystem-as-read-write
[04:34] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: it says there was an error launching the application. im using the /scriptname method
[04:34] <Y2KVet> bicky: what is on /dev/sda4?
[04:34] <cfhowlett> bicky boot windows, close it down properly and then try.
[04:34] <Molean> holstein: No idea what you just said
[04:34] <holstein> Molean: i would want to just copy paste using a live CD.. that would be easiest in your situation
[04:35] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: to be clearer im trying to run the start-tor-browser script
[04:35] <holstein> Molean: i just said, you *dont* need to adjust or change permissions to use the vesa driver.. but, you may find you need sudo to access xorg.conf
[04:35] <Dvorovoi> its for GNU/Linux
[04:35] <Molean> holstein: Can't do that if its read only, can't do that if its read only!!!!
[04:35] <dw1> rage-support
[04:35] <dw1> lol
[04:35] <Molean> You might be a expert, but I tell you with conviction, you can't write to a read only drive!
[04:35] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: I may just install Tor... :-)
[04:36] <holstein> Molean: sure.. thats why i suggest doing it from a live CD. can you? if not, follow the instructions given above to mount write access
[04:36] <bicky> i have some file in dev/sda4
[04:36] <Molean> It is a live
[04:36] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: did you sudo apt-get it?
[04:36] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: hehe. im so new to ubuntu/linux. this is only my first week using it. SO these simple tasks are killing me.
[04:36] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: no i donloaded the .xz file from the website
[04:37] <holstein> Molean: you are in a live environment? using a graphical file manager to navigate to your filesystem?
[04:37] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: OK...I'll do that.
[04:37] <bicky> not just one i am unable to access any of my internal drive,,but can access ext. hard disk
[04:38] <Guest44132> so I installed ubuntu 14.04 on a new hp 2000 notebook. They really hated windows 8. But its a little slow and the window snapping looks weird. Should I use the propertary graphics for this ati hd radeon
[04:38] <bicky> before trying ubuntu i had shut down window
[04:38] <Ben64> bicky: read the error message and follow what it says
[04:39] <Molean> holstein: I already told you this many many times
[04:39] <cfhowlett> bicky windows clearly thinks you did not.  reboot windows.  shut down properly.  reboot ubuntu.
[04:39] <Ben64> Molean: pastebin the output of "mount"
[04:40] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: tor-browser-linux64-3.6.1_en-US.tar.xz?
[04:40] <bicky> ok...cfhowlett..thanks..i will be back after following ur instruction..
[04:41] <holstein> Molean: goog luck, friend!.. that vesa driver should allow you to boot to a desktop.. if you boot a live CD, you can easily navigate and mount your internal drive and put that xorg.conf in place
[04:41] <Guest44132> I don't have much time. Should I go with Proprietary graphics for Ati cards?
[04:41] <holstein> Guest44132: you'll have to test it.
[04:41] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: yep
[04:42] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: And then run start-tor-browser?
[04:42] <Molean> holstein: Still struggling with making the drive read write
[04:42] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: yeah thats what im trying to do
[04:42] <Ben64> Molean: pastebin the output of "mount"
[04:42] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: I'm with you now.
[04:42] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: on my computer it just opens the file to edit or display
[04:43] <holstein> Molean: Ben64 is offering to help with that.. but Ben64 needs the output of the command he's asked you for a few times..
[04:43] <Molean> Ben64:  There is no output when I choose mount or dismount through file manager
[04:43] <Ben64> Molean: its a command you run in a terminal
[04:43] <holstein> Molean: you would run "mount" in a terminal
[04:43] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: Are you inn the tor-browser_en-US directory?
[04:43] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: yep
[04:44] <Y2KVet> ./start-tor-browser and be amazed.
[04:44] <Molean> Ben64: I don't understand the instructions as given here http://askubuntu.com/questions/175739/how-do-i-remount-a-filesystem-as-read-write
[04:44] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: you type that in the terminal?
[04:45] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: Yes.
[04:45] <holstein> Molean: open a terminal, and type the word "mount".. press enter, and use a pastebin to share the output with Ben64
[04:45] <holstein> !paste | Molean
[04:46] <rf_studio> :)
[04:47] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: are you any good with .desktop icons? I can show you what i have written in pastebin
[04:47] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: Sorry. Don't know what they are.  Ask me anything about IBM S/390, though.
[04:48] <GI_Jack> I think its official, Ubuntu 14.04 is about as stable as windows 95
[04:48] <Molean> Ben64: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7414137/
[04:48] <GI_Jack> good job cannicoal
[04:48] <Dvorovoi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7414138/
[04:48] <Ben64> GI_Jack: is there a support question anywhere in there or did you just come here to complain? because this is not the proper location for complaining
[04:49] <Dvorovoi> thats my issue. ubuntu thinks i just want to edit the file
[04:49] <Ben64> Molean: they're all mounted read/write already
[04:49] <holstein> Molean: you can try "gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[04:50] <servo> Ben64: where is the proper location for complaining?
[04:50] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: ok... do a 'chmod +x' to the file.
[04:50] <Y2KVet> I prefer chmod 0700 file
[04:50] <cfhowlett> servo #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:50] <Y2KVet> Then nobody else can use it.
[04:50] <Molean> Ben64: when I try to save changes to xorg the system disagrees with that
[04:50] <holstein> Molean: with sudo?
[04:51] <Y2KVet> Or chmod 0500 to make it not-writable (you don't want to mess with it once it works.)
[04:51] <Molean> no, just opening it up
[04:51] <holstein> Molean: what is the error message? with sudo?
[04:51] <holstein> Molean: opening is reading.. so that should work regardless.. whats the error with sudo?
[04:51] <GI_Jack> Ben64, I came here to complain
[04:51] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: On second thought, making a .desktop file executable doesn't make sense.
[04:51] <holstein> GI_Jack: please use the #ubuntu-offtopic channel for chat
[04:51] <cfhowlett> GI_Jack this is the support channel.  please take complaints to off-topic
[04:52] <GI_Jack> I'd be nicer, except shuttleworth is a dick, and someone paid for shills on my fave tech sites
[04:52] <GI_Jack> all of you, fucking blow me, and gnight
[04:52] <Molean> holstein: When I open it up normally, it asks to save a whole file over "this file already exists, do you wish to write it over" then if you click yes it says "can't open file to write"
[04:52] <Y2KVet> Question: Is the intention to complain grounds for kicking?
[04:53] <cfhowlett> Y2KVet profanity is a channel violation
[04:53] <Y2KVet> Ooo...methinks permban.
[04:53] <rww> !guidelines
[04:53] <holstein> Molean: how about as sudo?
[04:53] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: oh
[04:53] <rww> Y2KVet: if you have questions about the link ubottu just said, #ubuntu-ops is probably a better venue for it ;)
[04:54] <holstein> Molean: again, gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:54] <Molean> holstein: If I put "gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf" in a terminal, it goes to next line, but nothing happens
[04:54] <rww> Y2KVet: in the specific case we just saw, the problem seems to have solved itself :)
[04:54] <Y2KVet> rww: I'm here to help, really.  Just rambling.
[04:54] <Ben64> holstein: pretty sure he's using xubuntu live usb
[04:54] <holstein> Molean: and, thats file shouldnt exist, since you ran an rm on it earlier, and stated getting a message about it not being there.. is there a file there now?
[04:54] <holstein> Ben64: is that leafpad?
[04:54] <ripp_steakface> anyone have a solution for a permission issue with "Sensor Viewer" after installing xfce4-sensors-plugin
[04:54] <Ben64> holstein: idk : /
[04:55] <Molean> holstein: Yes, I can see the file
[04:55] <holstein> Molean: please try "gksudo leafpad /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[04:55] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: How's it goingZ?
[04:55] <ripp_steakface> it won't display in the tool bar at all
[04:56] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: permission denied lol
[04:56] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: I believe I know what you're trying to do: make a clickable icon for the Tor browser.  I tried 'Create Launcher' and got nowhere.
[04:57] <Molean> holstein: That opened a blank pad, not the xorg file. I put the code in, and saved, xorg didnt change any
[04:57] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: yeah
[04:57] <holstein> Molean: not sure what you mean? what didint change? and now are you determining that?
[04:57] <Molean> holstein: Xorg.conf didnt change, I know because I opened it
[04:58] <holstein> Molean: xorg.conf
[04:58] <Y2KVet> OK...I executed ./start-tor-browser a second time.  It came up.
[04:58] <Molean> yes
[04:58] <holstein> Molean: even typing Xorg there instead of xorg can break this
[04:58] <Molean> I used lower cases
[04:58] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: it runs from the terminal at least
[04:58] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: guess ill have to dig around for the clickable thing
[04:58] <holstein> Molean: and, im unsure why that file was there.. why was it there? you were asked to remove it, and reboot.. did you?
[04:58] <Molean> I just used uppercase here in chat because it was the beginning of my sentence
[04:59] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: So, create a Launcher with the complete path to start-tor-browser as the command.
[04:59] <Molean> holstein: I told you what I did, and what it said
[04:59] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: I'll try that right now.
[04:59] <holstein> Molean: sure.. you told me it said there wasnt one... not you say there was one..
[04:59] <Molean> holstein: Despite it saying it could not fine the file, I see it clear as day
[04:59] <Molean> find
[04:59] <holstein> Molean: you may want to consider removing the file, and rebooting
[05:00] <Molean> holstein: I said the command prompt screen told me it wasnt there when I tried to rm it, but I see it here
[05:00] <holstein> Molean: you could have used a capital letter, or mis-typed
[05:00] <Molean> holstein: I was very careful about using every single same character
[05:01] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: When I create the .desktop file i get a failed to start application area. Which is a Unity Launcher I believe.
[05:01] <holstein> Molean: regardless, you may want to consider first removing that file.. and rebooting.. as per the original instructions
[05:01] <Molean> rechecking many a time because there was so much text and I was getting weird messages
[05:01] <Dvorovoi> Dvorovoi: error not area
[05:01] <Molean> holstein: how?
[05:01] <holstein> Molean: however you get rid of files, friend
[05:01] <Molean> holstein: How do I remove a file that it says isnt there?
[05:02] <holstein> Molean: it *is* there.. and you do what ever it takes
[05:02] <ADW> Herro
[05:02] <Molean> holstein: Come on, please don't be like this, what have I have I ever done to you for you to treat me like this?
[05:02] <holstein> Molean: im tring to be helpful.. you need to try rebooting after removing that file
[05:02] <cfhowlett> adw not remotely funny
[05:02] <Molean> holstein: Saying "do whatever it takes" is not even remotely helpful
[05:03] <holstein> Molean: try sudo rm and use tab to auto complete, so you are sure you are getting the file.. use the file manager *carefully* as root. literally whatever it takes to get rid of it
[05:03] <holstein> Molean: i was referring to, starting with one option, and proceeding til the file is gone
[05:03] <Molean> Think if your math teacher was like that "How do I do this problem? This doesn't seem to carry right" You do whatever it takes..."
[05:04] <holstein> Molean: please try one of the above options
[05:04] <holstein> Molean: sudo rm using tab to autocomplete the path
[05:04] <Dvorovoi> does Ubuntu hide any file extensions like windows does?
[05:04] <Molean> holstein: Is autocomplete what you mean by "use the file manager"?
[05:04] <holstein> Molean: did it work? if not, i will suggest another.. and another.. til, either i have to leave, or the file is gone..
[05:04] <holstein> Molean: no.. autocomplete is what i mean by using tab
[05:05] <holstein> !tab
[05:05] <Molean> holstein: Well then, telling me to use file manager carefully isn't telling me anything
[05:05] <holstein> Molean: using the filemanager is the 2nd option
[05:05] <Molean> and I have tried to delete this file multiple times, carefully typing it out each time
[05:05] <holstein> Molean: ok.. please try again using the tab auto complete.. and sudo
[05:06] <Molean> holstein: Within a terminal within live?
[05:06] <holstein> Molean: *either*.. literally which ever works for you, friend.. just make the file go away
[05:06] <holstein> Molean: the live environment should be fine
[05:06] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: Any luck?
[05:07] <Dvorovoi> not yet
[05:07] <holstein> Molean: you can drag the file over from the commandline to the terminal, and see if the path autocompletes
[05:08] <Molean> holstein: I just did that, file still there, no message given
[05:08] <holstein> Molean: please refresh the method by which you are determing if the file is still there
[05:08] <cfhowlett> Molean screenshots would be helpful here ...
[05:09] <Molean> holstein: You mean repeat how I know its still there? I see it graphically with file manager
[05:09] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: I still can't get it to work, either.
[05:09] <Molean> holstein: I can even open it and see its contents
[05:09] <holstein> Molean: sure.. so, close that filemanager, and reopen and confirm again
[05:09] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: It gives 'file not found.' Oftentimes this is not the executed file, but one that it needs to run.
[05:09] <holstein> Molean: are you sure you are looking at the one on the hard drive? and not something in the system? or on another installation?
[05:10] <Y2KVet> You'd never guess how I found that out. :-)
[05:10] <Molean> holstein: Still there
[05:11] <holstein> Molean: you need to get rid of that file.. you'll have to confirm the path, and make sure its out of the way
[05:11] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: That message can be misleading.  The file's there, you can see it, but the 'file not found' refers to another file.  Cute.
[05:11] <holstein> Molean: what killed your graphics hardware? was it something electrical that could be effecting more of your hardware?
[05:12] <Molean> holstein: How do I confirm the path, and whatever else you said?
[05:12] <Y2KVet> I hope there's someone here who can answer the question. We'd both learn something.
[05:12] <Molean> holstein: I don't have a clue what killed it, one second its fine, next second its deader then a tombstone. But the rest of the systems running fine
[05:12] <holstein> Molean: i wish you well.. i must go.. you need to make sure your hard drive is functioning properly and remove that file after you confirm your sytem is OK
[05:13] <Molean> holstein: You aren't telling me anything
[05:13] <holstein> Molean: yeah?
[05:13] <Molean> holstein: Have you run out of suggestions then?
[05:13] <holstein> Molean: something bad happend to your hardware.. your hard drive could have been effected. if you have not confirmed and tested that, you may want to
[05:14] <holstein> Molean: you are either not accessing the proper xorg file, or you are experiencing breakage somewhere
[05:14] <Molean> holstein: Well you tell me some way of testing it and I may do that
[05:14] <Molean> holstein: But all signs point to a software issue
[05:14] <holstein> Molean: gsmartcontrol from a live CD
[05:15] <holstein> Molean: you have had a hardware failure already...
[05:15] <holstein> Molean: if you say, you are removing files from a drive, and they are just randomly showing back up, i say, test that drive
[05:15] <Molean> holstein: That card is not in my system, so couldn't possibly be currently causing troubles with files
[05:16] <bluezone> What is 'systemd' It's listed as a dependancy here: https://github.com/thestinger/playpen
[05:16] <holstein> Molean: sure.. what im suggesting is, an electrical problem which *did* damage the graphics could have damaged more.. plausible.. and could account for *all* your issues
[05:16] <Molean> holstein: I didn't say I removed the file, I said the command to remove it from command prompt said it never existed
[05:16] <Molean> and commands in terminal regarding this file don't seem to do anything
[05:17] <holstein> Molean: sure.. and its there.. so, thats where we are.. the file is there, and you are either incorrectly removing it, or its not removable due to some issue
[05:18] <rww> bluezone: an init system. the pieces of it you'd need for that aren't in Ubuntu's repositories
[05:18]  * bluezone cries
[05:19] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: got it
[05:19] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: Got it.
[05:19] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: lol
[05:19] <Y2KVet> How?
[05:19] <Molean> holstein:  when I put etc\x11 as my path direction, how does it know what drive to look in?
[05:19] <Y2KVet> I wrote a 3-line bash script.
[05:19] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: both the .desktop icon and the script have to have chmod -x
[05:20] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: -?
[05:20] <Molean> holstein: Maybe it's looking in a different partition for the file in question?
[05:20] <bluezone> this is why everyone should use maven
[05:20] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: i had set chmod -x on the .desktop icon. which is what makes em clicky.
[05:20] <Dvorovoi> Dvorovoi: but not the acutal script
[05:21] <Molean> then again, it's autocompleting the path
[05:21] <Y2KVet> How does .desktop work?
[05:22] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: its a Unity Launcher file. looks like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/7414138/
[05:22] <holstein> Molean: the slash direction is *very* important
[05:22] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: once you set chmod -x it becomes double clickable.
[05:22] <holstein> Molean: i have asked that you confirm the path.. and look at other drives or partitions
[05:23] <rf_studio> where is upper case letters when you type?
[05:23] <holstein> Molean: by autocompleteting the path, we just know that you are referring to an actual file, and not typo-ing
[05:24] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: and as far as i have found the terminal=true is optional only if you want the terminal to stay open for error messages etc
[05:24] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: normally i set it to false
[05:24] <rf_studio> Where are Upper case letters when you type in chat?
[05:24] <rf_studio> :-[
[05:26] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles is the link i used to learn how to make em
[05:26] <Molean> holstein: But how come when I tell it to remove the file, it doesnt? How could a hard drive problem cause that?
[05:27] <dhaval> Hello everyone.
[05:27] <dhaval> I've problem with Chrome notification. They are displayed all grayed all the time.
[05:27] <Molean> holstein: Could gssmart program be installed on my live usb drive and run off it, with live?
[05:28] <FuuqUmiist> are there any USB headset brands what work on Ubuntu?
[05:28] <FuuqUmiist> or do all headsets with USB sound cards only work on Windows?
[05:28] <cfhowlett> uuqUmiist several
[05:28] <FuuqUmiist> cfhowlett like which ones
[05:29] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: I am SO there! :-)
[05:29] <cfhowlett> FuuqUmiist my logitech skype headset worked out of the box
[05:29] <FuuqUmiist> cfhowlett which model
[05:30] <cfhowlett> FuuqUmiist h555
[05:31] <Molean> cfhowlett: Could gssmart install on and cohabitate with live usb?
[05:31] <cfhowlett> Molean live USB?  no.  installed to a persistence USB?  sure
[05:31] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: I actually run LinuxMint, with the Xfce interface.  Is this mutually exclusive with Unity?
[05:32] <cfhowlett> !mint|Y2KVet
[05:32] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: maybe. type unity in terminal
[05:32] <Molean> cfhowlett: So it has to be the only thing on the USB? So if I am running off live usb with one usb, could I install this gsmart onto another usb?
[05:33] <cfhowlett> !persistence|Molean
[05:33] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: I can sudo apt-get install it, but isn't it huge?
[05:33] <cfhowlett> Molean you can install ubuntu to a USB.  apps installed to the USB would then be available.
[05:33] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: Duh.  I can also sudo-apt remove it, too.
[05:33] <Molean> cfhowlett: I don't see any bearing at all with that link to what i asked
[05:34] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: as far as ive learned so far. its the heart and soul of my user interface experience
[05:34] <majod> theres new firefox beta in their ppa, but when i do apt-get upgrade it doesnt allow me to upgrade...also synaptic only shows version 29 as the last one :/ why is that? https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next
[05:34] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: 19Mb. Not too bad.
[05:35] <Molean> cfhowlett: You mean apps installed on ubunto, on the usb drive? But I thought you said gsmart couldn't do that
[05:35] <Y2KVet> majod: I use Aurora.
[05:35] <majod> Y2KVet: ok but that doesnt help me :)
[05:35] <cfhowlett> Molean 1.  you can install ubuntu to a USB.  2. you can then install apps to that ubuntu USB.
[05:36] <Molean> cfhowlett: Is GS smart something installed onto ubuntu etc, or is it something that stands alone as a bootable?
[05:36] <Beldar> majod, Have you run an update lately?
[05:36] <majod> Beldar: you mean...apt-get update? or just software update?
[05:37] <cfhowlett> Molean if gs smart is an actual OS, yes it's bootable.  if not, you have to install it to an OS
[05:37] <Beldar> majod, an apt-get is what I mean, but your mixing up update and upgrade with that question.
[05:38] <Molean> cfhowlett:  Which is it?
[05:38] <majod> Beldar: i did apt-get update
[05:38] <Beldar> majod, In other words before you upgrade, you update
[05:38] <Beldar> cool
[05:38] <cfhowlett> Molean I've no idea as I've never used gs smart
[05:38] <Beldar> majod, What release are you running?
[05:39] <majod> Beldar: trusty
[05:39] <Molean> cfhowlett: Do you think there is something wrong with my hard drive that I even need something like this gssmart? Or might you be able to help me with this stubborn file?
[05:40] <Beldar> majod, Says  there is a trusty build 7 hrs ago. I have no idea the snyc time worldwide with all the servers.
[05:40] <cfhowlett> Molean I've only partially tracked your discussion with Holstein.  I can't suggest anything beyond what he offered.  Eliminating hardware failure is a reasonable troubleshooting step.
[05:40] <majod> Beldar: ok I think I solved....sources are updated, but packages are not built yet
[05:40] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi:
[05:41] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: Had to reboot.
[05:41] <Molean> cfhowlett: Lets assume I run the program and it says nothing is wrong, I still am left with nothing to do to fix this
[05:41] <Y2KVet> But it looks interesting.
[05:41] <majod> Beldar: https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next/+build/5987642
[05:42] <cfhowlett> Molean install to a persistent USB and boot from that.
[05:42] <mrblah-blah> .
[05:42] <Y2KVet> I'm using the Lodge computer.  I assume the next secretary will need a simple Windows-like interface.
[05:43] <Molean> cfhowlett: I am running off a persistant live USB  now
[05:43] <Beldar> majod, same on a link from page yeah, https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next/+packages
[05:43] <Molean> cfhowlett: Again though, I got these files I cant change, its like they are read only, but I am told they are not
[05:43] <cfhowlett> Molean I doubt it.  the Boot USB and persistent install USB  are different creatures.
[05:44] <Molean> cfhowlett: persistent means you can install stuff and change stuff on it, and have it keep track of the change, right?
[05:44] <JCM83> I'm looking for a version of xkill that I can click repeatedly with. Ideally like a flag I could add to the xkill command in terminal. Anyone know what I'm looking for?
[05:44] <cfhowlett> Molean yep.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[05:45] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: I plan to have LibreOffice for docs and spreadsheets.  But I see a proliferation of desktop icons unless I can put the _directory_ on the desktop.
[05:45] <cfhowlett> Molean and the more up to date: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/14912/create-a-persistent-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive/
[05:45] <Molean> cfhowlett: Well I understand that as just another configuration of a live, well anyway, that's what I have, a Live usb persistent drive
[05:45] <Y2KVet> Dvorovoi: Which IRC client do you use?  I use irssi.
[05:45] <Molean> cfhowlett: That is what I am using at this very moment
[05:46] <cfhowlett> Molean then install gs control is a trivial matter.
[05:46] <cfhowlett> *gs smart*
[05:46] <Molean> cfhowlett: It's also a irrelvent matter, gscontrol isn't going to fix a file system, right? It just tests the hardware, right?
[05:46] <Dvorovoi> Y2KVet: I tried messaging you directly.
[05:47] <cfhowlett> Molean as stated ... never used it.  but in the time we've had this discussion, you could have obtained it and tested your hardware so ...
[05:47] <Molean> cfhowlett: And still be where I am now
[05:48] <Molean> cfhowlett: Would you please help me figure out what is going on, and forget this gs smart which you say yourself you know nothing about anyway...
[05:48] <cfhowlett> Molean I also advised you that I can't add anything to Holstein's suggestions
[05:48] <fishbrain> anyone have any info about netflix-desktop package. i installed it and after it worked fine but won't start the second time anymore. here's the error stream using --showdebug http://paste.ubuntu.com/7414284/
[05:49] <Molean> fishbrain, theres a way to get netflix on ubuntu? Please link me, I looked really hard for that for some time
[05:50] <fishbrain> Molean http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/ehoover_compholio_netflix/trusty/main/base/netflix-desktop
[05:51] <Molean> thanks
[05:52] <Dvorovoi> is there a way to make ubuntu 14.04 require a usb stick with some key on it to authenticate? In conjunction with the usualy authentication measure
[05:52] <Molean> Is there someone on who can help me with this files I cant alter issue?
[05:53] <Molean> cfhowlett: And permissions through file manager says its read only
[05:54] <Guest20943> can i have some help? i want to install some things but dont know how
[05:54] <cfhowlett> Dvorovoi pretty sure you can encrypt it
[05:54] <cfhowlett> Guest20943 install through software center is the preferred method
[05:57] <Molean> fishbrain: Aside from your current problem, has this netflix on ubuntu thing been working? Heard from others whether they have gotten anywhere with it?
[05:58] <mrblah-blah> can pinch zoom be made to work with out holding ctrl
[05:59] <muculus> is there any way in ubuntu that I can find out is my cpu support sandy bridge or ivy bridge?
[06:01] <jason_> hi, where can i find the package maintainer chat?
[06:02] <jason_> package maintainer chat anyone?
[06:02] <ritesh> anyone here ?
[06:02] <jason_> yes
[06:03] <ritesh> i want to join logstash channel
[06:03] <ritesh> but i am not able to connect to it
[06:03] <ritesh> sorry its ##logstash
[06:03] <ritesh> oop
[06:03] <ritesh> oops
[06:03] <ritesh> #logstash
[06:03] <ritesh> jason can you please help ?
[06:03] <jason_> im here to give the python3 package maintainer a stiff talking to
[06:03] <jason_> hi!
[06:03] <Molean> I told the system to mount sda1, it said "can't find sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab" Why would it look there for sda1?
[06:03] <jason_> erm.. im using trusty
[06:04] <jason_> and 3.4 is a pile of brocken biscuits
[06:04] <jason_> the "open" builtin function isnt working
[06:05] <jason_> im talking about python :D
[06:06] <jason_> please include python3.3 and libs in the trusty repo /..
[06:06] <jason_> thanks :D
[06:06] <jason_> molean.. re you debootstrping?
[06:07] <jason_> also please note, that fstab is now fstab.d
[06:08] <Zeebs> Guys anyway to check if my computer can run ubuntu?
[06:08] <jason_> which means it sorta reads all files in that folder as one file..
[06:08] <Molean> jason I dont know what that means, I am just trying to mount drives properly to my persistent live usb drive so I can write to them and fix another problem (hopefully)
[06:08] <jason_> thts what system d does
[06:08] <fishbrain> Molean it's been working fine for me
[06:08] <Molean> jason how do you make a mount point?
[06:08] <jason_> ok,
[06:09] <jason_> got to: /etc/fstab.d/
[06:09] <jason_> and create a file called main
[06:09] <muculus> is there any way in ubuntu that I can find out is my cpu support sandy bridge or ivy bridge?
[06:09] <jason_> write an fstab in there
[06:09] <Molean> you mean on the usb flash drive?
[06:10] <Molean> jason?
[06:10] <jason_> tbh, this os goes back to the pentium 4 days..
[06:10] <jason_> you should be fine
[06:10] <jason_> if in doubt, use i386
[06:10] <Ben64> Molean: what are you trying to do now?
[06:10] <jason_> ..oh yes on the flash drive
[06:10] <Molean> Ben64:  Trying to make a mount point to mount to
[06:11] <Ben64> Molean: why? last i checked you already had all your drives mounted
[06:11] <Molean> Ben64:  I forget much of what little I use to know about mounting
[06:11] <jason_> ok, mol
[06:11] <jason_> try this
[06:11] <jason_> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[06:11] <Molean> ben64 they arent, somethings scrambled, they arent really properly mounted, and the drives are read only
[06:11] <Ben64> Molean: they are not read only, you need sudo to have write access
[06:11] <Yelu> Molean, according to your "mount" pastebin your sda1 is already in rw (read/write) state
[06:11] <jason_> let me guess
[06:12] <jason_> ntfs-3g?
[06:12] <Molean> Yelu: that is wrong
[06:12] <bicky> thanku ben64 and cfhowlett.....it worked
[06:12] <Ben64> Molean: no it is not wrong. rw means read/write
[06:12] <Molean> no, ext 4
[06:12] <Yelu> Molean, your pastebin => see http://paste.ubuntu.com/7414137/
[06:13] <Molean> ben64 but the drives are not read write
[06:13] <Molean> doesnt matter, they are not read write
[06:13] <Ben64> but they are, you need root permissions to be able to write
[06:13] <jason_> ok, your fstab must be saying to mount that fs as read only? (its stupid early o clock and i way below my coffee quota)
[06:13] <Molean> when I click anything in the drives, in properties, it specifically says read only and it doesnt allow me to write to them
[06:13] <Ben64> jason_: nope, they're rw
[06:14] <Ben64> Molean: because you're not using sudo
[06:14] <jason_> ah!
[06:14] <Ben64> Molean: how many times do you need to be told this?
[06:14] <jason_> permsions||!
[06:14] <jason_> sudo su
[06:14] <Ben64> no
[06:14] <jason_> and try and touch a file then
[06:14] <Ben64> sudo su is a bad idea
[06:14] <jason_> or nano modify one
[06:14] <Ben64> don't do that, it can cause more problems
[06:14] <Molean> ben64 there is a way to open up permissions for files so you dont have to sudo them every time, that isnt read write mode. I know because I have done it before
[06:15] <jason_> ok, to double check, please check who the owner is of those files using yor file browser
[06:15] <Molean> root
[06:15] <jason_> and your not using root :D
[06:15] <raj12lnm> hi all.
[06:15] <Molean> so how do I get into root mode
[06:15] <jason_> sudo su..
[06:15] <jason_> but please... BE VERY CARFULL
[06:15] <Ben64> jason_: don't suggest that
[06:15] <Molean> no, for the whole thing
[06:16] <Ben64> Molean: where is the xorg.conf file? which partition?
[06:16] <raj12lnm> I wish to install brlcad 24.0v. via apt-get .
[06:16] <jason_> or go to user properties, and add yourself as able to use disks
[06:16] <raj12lnm> But only brlcad v22.0 is available
[06:16] <Molean> Ben64: Doesn't matter if its read only
[06:16] <Ben64> Molean: will you listen? it is NOT read only
[06:17] <Molean> Ben64:  Yes, it is
[06:17] <raj12lnm> How can I upload the deb file to ubuntu package manager.
[06:17] <raj12lnm> ?
[06:17] <Ben64> Molean: you are not root, therefore you do not have permission. that does not mean it is read only.
[06:17] <jason_> +1 Ben
[06:17] <aStArIaM> Hi :)
[06:18] <Ben64> Molean: you've been at this for many hours and fighting help every step of the way.
[06:18] <raj12lnm> Hi. all. How can I upload/donate/update the deb file in ubuntu package repository ?
[06:18] <Molean> Ben64:  When you install ubuntu, aside from ~, you can read and write as you wish, you dont need to sudo everything to change them. You can set that up with persistent usb live drive too
[06:18] <Ben64> Molean: you do in fact need sudo to change things
[06:18] <Molean> Ben64:  I know this for a fact, for you to tell me otherwise is just misleading me, rather then helping me, I know because i have set this up before
[06:18] <jason_> raj... congrats on your new product / lib ..  try and search for a package maintainer
[06:19] <jason_> from canonical or debian
[06:19] <Yelu> Molean, you are looking in file manager as *NOT* root and rreing to change/delete Xorg.conf on the desktop - right?
[06:19] <Molean> Since when have you needed to sudo to save a movie to videos? You dont, you just save it, thats because its got read write permission
[06:19] <Ben64> xorg.conf is hardly your own video folder
[06:19] <Yelu> Molean, so you just van'T do what yiu want ti di.
[06:20] <Molean> huh?
[06:20] <raj12lnm> jason_ : Thanks for the reply. But can i update a package of someone's else ?
[06:20] <Molean> How do I set mount points?
[06:20] <Yelu> Molean, Just open a Terminal with Ctrl ALt A and type "sudo -i" => RHEN you are root
[06:20] <jason_> raj: you need to contact one of them.. there should be a bug report thing somewhere..
[06:20] <Yelu> THEN*
[06:20] <jason_> which package btw?#
[06:20] <raj12lnm> jason_ : for instance brlcad (an opensrc solid modelling tool) but they didnt update  the deb package for there v24.0
[06:21] <jason_> ahh!
[06:21] <Molean> jason this live usb is 12.10 xubuntu
[06:21] <jason_> raj: theres usually some latency between debian uploading to ubuntu packages..
[06:21] <Ben64> raj12lnm: brlcad isn't even in the ubuntu repositories
[06:21] <raj12lnm> jason_  : its been a year
[06:21] <jason_> raj: how long have you been waitin
[06:22] <jason_> hmmm..  ok..
[06:22] <jason_> is there a ppa?
[06:22] <raj12lnm> jason_ ,Ben64 : yes http://www.upubuntu.com/2012/09/install-brl-cad-7220-from-ppa-on-ubuntu.html
[06:22] <Yelu> Molean, in that terminal with being root delete your xconf.org file and type "reboot" (this is according to holstein's suggestions)
[06:23] <Ben64> raj12lnm: ppa is not an official repository, you'd have to contact the maintainer of that ppa
[06:23] <raj12lnm> jason_ my tool depends upon brl-cad library. And I wish to set-up at TRAVIS CI for this
[06:23] <thomedy> hello... my dvd player only recognizes dvd's sometimes... kinda when it wants
[06:23] <thomedy> vlc is working
[06:23] <jason_> ok.. ill point you to the place to file a "please add this" report
[06:23] <raj12lnm> which requires installation of package via apt-get
[06:23] <thomedy> but my dvd drive doesn't show up when i put something in it
[06:24] <Yelu> Molean, I meant xorg.conf
[06:24] <Yelu> Molean, it's just soo easy - dead simple ...
[06:24] <Molean> Yelu ok, maybe, but there is a way to mount it properly so its read write
[06:24] <Ben64> Molean: it is read/write, for like the 1000th time, you need to be root
[06:25] <Molean> Yelu I don't remember how to do it though
[06:25] <raj12lnm> Ben64 : Thanks. Can I put the deb in any other ppa repo ? is there a free ppa repository >
[06:25] <raj12lnm> Ben64 : How do I setup to put Brlcad on offical ubuntu repository ?
[06:25] <Ben64> raj12lnm: you can start  your own ppa, but i'm pretty sure that is not what you want to do
[06:26] <raj12lnm> Ben64 : exactly! Any available ppa will do the trick for me.
[06:26] <Yelu> Molean, files in your home directory may read-/writeable for your current user (which isn't root), but xorg.conf sits in a place where you (as non-root user) have NO write access
[06:26] <Molean> Ben64:  If linux required root to make a change to any file,  it would be way too cumbersome and it would be a security risk too
[06:26] <jason_> raj:
[06:26] <raj12lnm> jason_ : ok I will wait for thepointer.
[06:26] <jason_> raj: i got your link ..
[06:26] <jason_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[06:26] <Ben64> Molean: linux does require root for changes to system files, it works great and is secure
[06:26] <Molean> yelu, not only files in home are read write
[06:27] <Ben64> Molean: you can keep saying that, but you are simply incorrect
[06:27] <Molean> ben64 for file systems, but thats not what I am trying to do, and that is because that area is read only
[06:27] <Ben64> Molean: you need to be root
[06:27] <Molean> How do you make a mount point?
[06:27] <Yelu> Molean, you told us above /the file is having "root" "root" user and group. - Right?
[06:27] <Ben64> Molean: you need to be root
[06:28] <Molean> How do you make a mount point?
[06:28] <Ben64> Molean: you need to be root
[06:28] <raj12lnm> Ben64 : What are the available ppa ?
[06:28] <Ben64> raj12lnm: i'm not sure, you'd have to google and see if a newer version is available in one somewhere
[06:28] <Yelu> Molean, sorry friend, but I'm out now.
[06:28] <raj12lnm> Ben64 : newer version of Brlcad is not avaialble !
[06:29] <raj12lnm> Ben64 : But I have the deb file  available.
[06:29] <Ben64> raj12lnm: then install that? but we can't support you with it
[06:29] <raj12lnm> Ben64 I just wish to put it in some repository. so that i can make a Countinous Integration service to use it.
[06:30] <Guest90926> I need help, anybody know anything about bluetooth?
[06:31] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup Guest90926
[06:32] <abhvym> how can i copy two texts, and while pasting them i can select which one to paste? need to replace 7000 cells in spreadsheet manually. any such thin in linux?
[06:32] <thomedy> hi i was reading  the instructions in ubuntu and it would not make sense to set the region code for me because there is no disk even showing up
[06:32] <Molean> Ben64:  also when I tell it to umount sda1 it says "can't find ubuntu in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
[06:32] <thomedy> and from what i can tell when the disk shows up it should be fine but it only shows up when it wants
[06:33] <Ben64> Molean: ok, nobody said to umount
[06:33] <servo> where do you go after you get banned from #ubuntu-offtopic?
[06:34] <abhvym> servo, #ubuntu-ops
[06:34] <rww> servo: also, you didn't get banned, so...
[06:34] <ryaxnb> servo, hi
[06:35] <Molean> Ben64:  the point is, that it isnt properly mounted, so please help me properly mount it!
[06:36] <Ben64> Molean: your partitions are already mounted read/write
[06:36] <abhvym> which is the clripboard manager which allows me to copy two text at a time and i can select which one to paste while pasting?
[06:36] <Guest90926> reading the page on bluetooth headphones, but I already paired them but they won't connect for audio sinck
[06:37] <Molean> Ben64: Get off of it, are you going to help me or not?
[06:37] <Ben64> Molean: not if you refuse to accept facts
[06:38] <thomedy> sorry.... i tried restarting to see if it would help
[06:38] <thomedy> nope... so im at a loss
[06:38] <Molean> Ben64:  Your "facts" is wrong, and your so blindly trying to proclaim yourself right that you have long since stopped trying to help me
[06:39] <thomedy> please help
[06:39] <Molean> ben64 heres a thought, someone asks you how to make a mount point, you explain how to make a mount point
[06:39] <Molean> if you really want to help them
[06:39] <Ben64> Molean: by your own pastebin, your partitions are mounted read/write. you NEED ROOT IN ORDER TO MODIFY SYSTEM FILES. I don't know why you think otherwise, but you are wrong. This is why you've been here for 10 hours. Listen to the help and accept it, or format your computer and toss it in the closest incinerator.
[06:40] <[lutchy]> rww, I am annoying you here
[06:40] <raj12lnm> Ben64 ?
[06:40] <Molean> Ben64: Instead of helping me, your just trying to make yourself seem better at my expense
[06:41] <Ben64> Molean: no, i'm desperately trying to get you to use root so you can finally edit xorg.conf
[06:41] <canis> how to update 12.04LTS to 14.04 LTS
[06:41] <Molean> Ben64:  News flash, that was done ages ago, multiple times, didnt work
[06:41] <Molean> thats becuase the FKn drive isnt properly mounted!
[06:41] <Ben64> Molean: no, you've been too busy arguing and doing the wrong things
[06:42] <thomedy> there is a whole lot of love in this room isn't there
[06:42] <Flannel> Molean, Ben64: Lets just move on.  Obviously you two can't help/be helped/whatever each other right now.  Someone else likely can help/needs help.
[06:42]  * delerium_ hugs thomedy
[06:42] <canis> how to update
[06:42] <Molean> Ben64: Oh so your saying using sudo isn't root, genius
[06:42] <canis> ??
[06:43] <thomedy> hey delerium_ you wouldnt by any chance know to get my dvd player to show up would you
[06:43] <canis> how to update 12.04LTS to 14.04LTS??
[06:43] <Trillionaire> thomedy - lol
[06:43] <thomedy> okay canis i might be able to help you with taht or at least get you close
[06:43] <Ben64> Molean: whatever you were typing in, you didn't get to the right file, which is why i asked you the location of the xorg.conf, but you refused to answer that as well
[06:43] <thomedy> sudo apt-get update
[06:43] <delerium_> thomedy: Nha, sorry... did not use Linux on desktop very much
[06:43] <thomedy> then lets see sudo update-manager -d
[06:43] <canis> okay
[06:43] <thomedy> i think its something like that
[06:43] <thomedy> i might be wrong
[06:43] <thomedy> theres a link
[06:44] <thomedy> you can google though
[06:44] <Molean> Ben64: autocomplete confirmed it was the right file
[06:44] <canis> what do first thing do i  have to do?
[06:44] <Yelu> Molean, just a suggestion:  1. open a terminal 2. type "sudo su -" and your password 3. type "rm -i /your path/to/xorg.conf" 4. type "ls -l  /your path/to/xorg.conf" (do it "undercover" if you wish) ... ;)
[06:44] <thomedy> honestly for me you just have to google because i dont remember but the google machine will get you there and i dont remember the link
[06:45] <Molean> Yelu:  Step 5, get nothing done because the file isnt properly mounted and nothing happened
[06:46] <Molean> I mean the drives aren't
[06:47] <Ben64> Molean: then try it and pastebin the results. prove me wrong
[06:47] <Yelu> Molean, okay "I want to believe". - So give us the screenshot of that terminal session with your 4 to 5 steps - then I want to believe ...
[06:47] <FiremanEd> canis: It's best to wait to update to 14.04 when the first point update (14.04.1) comes out in July.  Then you can do it through update manager.
[06:47] <[lutchy]> Hmm
[06:48] <Abhishek_> What would the updates in 14.04.1?
[06:48] <Wug> [lutchy]: this is a rigidly on-topic channel, side chatter is not generally permitted.  If you cloud the channel with off topic chatter, you will probably be removed.
[06:48] <cfhowlett> Yelu I'm guessing that's the same screenshot I requested 30 minutes ago ...
[06:48] <canis> when will it release?
[06:48] <Yelu> cfhowlett, you win
[06:49] <[lutchy]> I guess they removed it
[06:49] <[lutchy]> I think I have complained before about other OPs protecting other OPs but it's not a Freenode issue
[06:49] <FiremanEd> canis: if you can't wait, and at your own risk you can follow the information on http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/upgrade-ubuntu-14-04-12-04
[06:49] <rww> [lutchy]: it's also not an Ubuntu issue, so take it elsewhere
[06:50] <[lutchy]> oops
[06:50] <Flannel> [lutchy]: This is a technical support channel, please keep things on-topic, thanks.
[06:50] <[lutchy]> I thought I was on Freenode
[06:50] <[lutchy]> O well
[06:50] <[lutchy]> Sorry guys.. wrong channel
[06:50] <[lutchy]> I do plan to Ubuntu Server for a few items and I do get some good support :)
[06:51] <abhvym> which is the clripboard manager which allows me to copy two text at a time and i can select which one to paste while pasting?
[06:52] <thomedy> hello.. im sorry to harp but im really at a loss here
[06:52] <thomedy> i cant find anything
[06:52] <thomedy>  i dont want to manually mount it that seems like i the wrong thing to do
[06:52] <Ben64> thomedy: what are you trying to do?
[06:53] <thomedy> i just dropped 13 for 14 and it was a good idea but i have always had a hard time getting dvd's to go in and immediately recognize the media in the drive
[06:53] <thomedy> it just kinda spins
[06:53] <thomedy> and then ignores me
[06:53] <thomedy> i have 3 kids... i dont need that from my laptop
[06:54] <Abhishek_> Hi, wanted to know which option I would have to unselect to remove the paid items and magazines from the Software center in 14.04 LTS, it's a distraction for me.
[06:54] <thomedy> i was reading what to do... it seems all the proper libraries are installed
[06:54] <thomedy> and then i read that i should install regionset
[06:54] <Ben64> thomedy: ok, put a dvd in, if one is already in then take it out and put it back in, wait a minute, then pastebin the last... 20 or so lines of "dmesg"
[06:54] <someHuman> How do I get back to the previous prompt in terminal?
[06:54] <someHuman> It's kind of confusing to scroll up just to get back to the previous prompt.
[06:54] <abhvym> Abhishek_, maybe try removing partner repo? but that will also remove skype. opera etc.
[06:54] <thomedy> okay let me paste bin dmesg right now because i have definately tried multiple "put the dvd in" s
[06:54] <thomedy> one sec
[06:55] <helmut_> hi
[06:55] <Abhishek_> yep, I don't want to remove that actually . It's kinda sad if there isn/t another way
[06:55] <murosai> i have two sound cards and now the sound is coming off from the wrong one, usually i solve this problem by creating .asoundrc but this time it doesn't seem to be working? :/
[06:55] <abhvym> Abhishek_, use lubunt software center or apper. the kde software center. both may not list it.
[06:55] <Ben64> Abhishek_: you could use synaptic instead
[06:56] <someHuman> Hello?
[06:56] <abhvym> someHuman, defind "previous prompt"
[06:56] <Abhishek_> Ben64: I do use synaptic now, but I kinda liked the software center when it wasn't littered back in 10.10 or something
[06:56] <someHuman> abhvym: The ones that are on the left that waits for you to input something in the terminal.
[06:57] <abhvym> someHuman, ctrl c ctrl z or exit or alt f4 and restart terminal?
[06:57] <thomedy> okay so i dmesg > page do you want the top or the bottom
[06:58] <abhvym> Abhishek_, use lubunt software center or apper. the kde software center. both may not list it.
[06:58] <Ben64> thomedy: the bottom is newer, so probably that
[06:58] <adsf> just upgraded from 12->13 and seem to get loads of errors like "READ FPDMA QUEUED" as well as no windows manager starting in kernel 3.11
[06:58] <thomedy> and how much of it do you want to see because when i more it it kind of seems giberishy
[06:58] <adsf> if i revert back to 3.8 it loads, any thoughts?
[06:58] <thomedy> but i havent done to much real code in a while
[06:58] <adsf> the no windows manager seems it could be an nvidia issue, no idea on the hdd errors
[07:00] <someHuman> abhvym: Gonna send you a link.
[07:00] <someHuman> abhvym: http://imgur.com/7RzwnuU
[07:01] <abhvym> someHuman, thin is current situation. "where" do you want to go back? "What" is that?
[07:01] <canis> will my file data lost when i update
[07:01] <abhvym> canis, no harm in files in /home
[07:02] <thomedy> http://pastebin.com/Aw6T8PaU
[07:02] <thomedy> i hope that helps... its all giberishy to me
[07:02] <canis> how long does it take to upgrade
[07:02] <abhvym> canis, depends on your network speed.
[07:03] <Molean> How do i make a mount point?
[07:03] <canis> can u check my network speed?
[07:03] <adsf> Molean: a dir to mount to?
[07:03] <thomedy> Molean... why dont you google it
[07:03] <adsf> Molean: mkdir /mnt/bla
[07:03] <Flannel> thomedy: That's not appropriate for this channel, thanks.
[07:03] <Molean> adsf yes
[07:03] <abhvym> canis, you can do it yourself.
[07:04] <Molean> ah thanks mkdir thats what I was looking for, I have been searching for it
[07:04] <thomedy> okay.. im sorry... well.. im just here for help on my dvd... so ill shut up
[07:04] <adsf> Molean: :)
[07:05] <Molean> How do I make mount points or where do I mount a drive so it appears in the main list in file manager?
[07:05] <someHuman> abhvym: That is the prompt I was talking about.
[07:05] <abhvym> Molean, you can mount it anywher. after that add that mount point folder to "favorites" or something of that file browser
[07:06] <abhvym> someHuman, i dont know what you really need.
[07:06] <someHuman> abhvym: Ok let me tell you like this.
[07:06] <Molean> abhvym how do I make it so its under the main list in file manager though?
[07:07] <abhvym> Molean, you can mount it anywher. after that add that mount point folder to "favorites" or something of that file browser
[07:07] <someHuman> For example, I just entered something now then it prints what I need to see say `ls`. After that, I get a new user prompt. What I want is a shortcut probably a keyboard shortcut to go back to the previous user prompt.
[07:07] <abhvym> someHuman, cd -
[07:07] <Flannel> someHuman: what do you mean by "previous"?  You literally mean to scroll up?  Or just the contents of the stuff you typed? or what?
[07:08] <someHuman> Flannel: Just to scroll up.
[07:08] <abhvym> someHuman, shift pgup
[07:08] <Flannel> someHuman: I'm not aware of that functionality existing anywhere
[07:08] <someHuman> Flannel: Somebody's got to write that ;)
[07:08] <abhvym> someHuman, shift pgup
[07:08] <someHuman> Hey, I found a feature! ;)
[07:09] <someHuman> abhvym: Didn't work.
[07:09] <someHuman> Should post this in the forums, well it
[07:09] <someHuman> well it
[07:09] <Flannel> someHuman: What would the goal be?  What are you hoping to accomplish?  Just to see the prompt?  Or to see the first bit of the output? or what?
[07:09] <someHuman> well it's really annoying to scroll up through a lot of text. really*
[07:09] <Flannel> someHuman: Sure, but why do you need to scroll up?  What's back there?
[07:10] <someHuman> Flannel: To see the first bit of data and to see the history of what I did in terminal.
[07:10] <Molean> so I type mount drop in drive location, then type in new location?
[07:10] <thomedy> okay... did anyone see my paste bin...
[07:10] <Molean> How do I mount the drive I want to the directory I made?
[07:10] <someHuman> No, I mean just to scroll up.
[07:10] <thomedy> cuz its all giberish to me
[07:10] <owh> someHuman: My terminal comes with a scroll-bar, does yours not?
[07:10] <someHuman> I know how to see previous commands entered.
[07:10] <Flannel> someHuman: So, you can view the history of what you typed using the up arrow.  To see the first bit of the data, you can pipe the output of your command to a pager, such as "less", which will allow you to scroll around within the output
[07:10] <abhvym> Molean, mount /dev/sdb /mnt/newdir
[07:11] <Molean> I dont see a pastebin
[07:11] <someHuman> owh: It does, I just really want to go back to the part of my previous user prompt.
[07:11] <Ben64> someHuman: press up on the keyboard?
[07:11] <abhvym> someHuman, whats your first language?
[07:11] <someHuman> Tagalog
[07:11] <abhvym> O.o
[07:11] <teaearlgraycold> So I've just used clonezilla to migrate from a 300GB to a 2TB HDD. Now I need to expand my ext4 partition, but I have the swap partition in the way. Can I move the swap partition? Maybe use a swap file instead?
[07:12] <someHuman> That's the Philippines' language.
[07:12] <Ben64> teaearlgraycold: you can do either of those, or simply delete it and create it elsewhere
[07:12] <Molean> abhvym: are the "/mnt" and "/dev" necessary parts of the command or just examples of location?
[07:12] <WilliamTell> Molean: those are just examples
[07:13] <teaearlgraycold> Ben64, will GParted let me move the partition?
[07:13] <teaearlgraycold> I have it open right now
[07:13] <abhvym> someHuman, you may want to try jont in #ubuntu-ph and explain what do you want in your local languages to the people there. they may best help you.
[07:13] <abhvym> Molean, just an example
[07:13] <Molean> what is the "dev" a example of?
[07:13] <Ben64> teaearlgraycold: possibly. but why not delete and recreate? theres nothing in a swap partition
[07:13] <someHuman> abhvym: Ok, thanks!
[07:13] <abhvym> Molean, source
[07:14] <Molean> the directory it is currently mounted to?
[07:14] <WilliamTell> Molean: where you're mounting from, like /dev/sda1
[07:14] <teaearlgraycold> Ben64, just not sure how to recreate the swap one. It's inside of /dev/sda2 as /dev/sda5. I'm unfamiliar with linux FS structure and GParted. I can make a bunch of changes before commiting, right?
[07:14] <Molean> they are almost always dev/?
[07:14] <owh> teaearlgraycold: That is correct.
[07:14] <Ben64> teaearlgraycold: ooh, can you post a screenshot?
[07:15] <abhvym> Molean, you cd pen driver external hdds are always under /dev
[07:15] <teaearlgraycold> Ben64, yeah I'll try
[07:15] <Molean> teaearlgraycold: geparted doesn't make any changes till you tell it to
[07:16] <teaearlgraycold> Cool
[07:16] <Molean> a specific command to implement all changes set up to that point
[07:17] <Molean> Will the current directory path for changing mounting points work? The one you get from drop and drag?
[07:17] <teaearlgraycold> The GParted web browse won't let me use imgur to upload
[07:18] <abhvym> "gparted web browser" ? teaearlgraycold whats that?
[07:18] <WilliamTell> Molean: I'm not sure what you mean by that?
[07:18] <teaearlgraycold> The GParted live CD has a web browser built in
[07:18] <teaearlgraycold> And a screenshot tool
[07:18] <teaearlgraycold> It's called NetSurf
[07:19] <servo> web browser that comes with gparted
[07:19] <teaearlgraycold> But it seems like javascript won't work
[07:19] <demoz> I was wondering.. Is there a way to send email from TUI or bash script without installing email server ? For example to set pop3 or smtp account in script and to send emails with attachments and CC BCC.. I am not sure how mailx works.. Any suggestions :) ?
[07:20] <owh> demoz: Are you asking how to send email from bash?
[07:20] <Molean> WilliamTell: If you drag and drop a mount point into terminal, it won't give you a dev/sda1 address, it will give you its current directory address, for example  /media/xubuntu/1e8ea1f1-4065-414b-8724-c23425fe903e/sbin
[07:21] <Molean> will that address work instead?
[07:21] <teaearlgraycold> Ben64, I can't find a place I can upload the image to
[07:21] <demoz> owh i saw couple tutorials and for example i found "mailx",but do i need to have mail server (sendmail,postfix) ?
[07:21] <teaearlgraycold> The browser won't work
[07:21] <WilliamTell> Molean: thats the current mount point, you need the device
[07:22] <owh> demoz: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8260858/how-to-send-email-from-terminal
[07:22] <Ben64> teaearlgraycold: imagebin.org ?
[07:22] <demoz> owh also can i include external smtp/pop3 mail server to successfuly deliver that email to for example gmail
[07:23] <Molean> WilliamTell: So I can't use its current mount point instead of dev/sda1 or whatever?
[07:23] <WilliamTell> Molean: that is correct
[07:23] <teaearlgraycold> Ben64, I can't drop items into the built in browser
[07:23] <owh> demoz: Hold on, you want to send mail via the internet from bash without an MTA?
[07:23] <WilliamTell> Molean: if it is already mounted why do you need to mount it again?
[07:23] <crocket> Does ubuntu have post-it program?
[07:23] <Yelu> demoz, no, no need for a mail server running on your machine. - But you have to configure a target mail relay (gmail or other) with crendentials
[07:23] <Molean> WilliamTell: To change its location
[07:24] <demoz> Yelu how can i do that ? I was googling but haven't found what i need,probably because i haven't asked question properly
[07:24] <Molean> WilliamTell: How do I tell what a devices dev address is?
[07:24]  * Yelu is just looking up that stuff for demoz
[07:25] <WilliamTell> Molean: if you want to mount it in another location you can do "sudo mount --bind /orig_mountpoint /new_mountpoint"
[07:25] <demoz> owh i need client configured for external smtp/pop3 connection and mail sending
[07:26] <owh> demoz: I'm interested to read what Yelu is looking up, because I might learn something ;-)
[07:26] <WilliamTell> Molean: to find the device, the command "mount" will show you all the devices that are mounted currently and at which mountpoint
[07:26] <crocket> Is tomboy a good post-it program?
[07:26] <ice9> an app running by wine can't access the internet!
[07:26] <teaearlgraycold> Ben64, how large should my swap partition be? It was 2GB before.
[07:27] <Ben64> teaearlgraycold: how much RAM do you have?
[07:27] <teaearlgraycold> Ben64, 2GB
[07:27] <owh> Yelu: Do you mean a send only MTA, like this perhaps: https://library.linode.com/email/exim/send-only-mta-ubuntu-12.04-precise-pangolin?format=source
[07:27] <abhvym> crocket, yes. its good.
[07:27] <Ben64> teaearlgraycold: then 2GB should be fine still
[07:27] <demoz> owh cool :) .. i tried my best to find that "something" that i need,but i wasn't sure what question to ask
[07:27] <teaearlgraycold> Ben64, I'd prefer it to be as small as possible though
[07:27] <owh> demoz: I'm still not sure if that's what Yelu is going to suggest. Stand by.
[07:28] <teaearlgraycold> Is it okay to have it lower than my RAM size?
[07:28] <Ben64> teaearlgraycold: 2GB isn't a lot of memory, so its good to have swap as a buffer
[07:28] <teaearlgraycold> Okay
[07:28] <Molean> WilliamTell When you first start out with a usb live drive, other drives are read only, how do you change this?
[07:29] <jason_> usually double the ram is a good size for a swap
[07:29] <Molean> That rule of thumb seems silly to me
[07:29] <Molean> Since the less ram you have, the more likely you will need swap
[07:29] <WilliamTell> Molean: does "mount" say they're mounted read only? that is not default behavior
[07:29] <jason_> its a tradion from a at lest 2 of my previouse institutions
[07:30] <Yelu> demoz, owh, Details here => https://duckduckgo.com/?q=configure+mail+relay+gmail+for+mailx&t=canonical
[07:30] <teaearlgraycold> Ben64, so here's what I have now. /dev/sda1 from 0 - 1.82 TiB. Then an extended partition and a linux-swap partition inside of that.
[07:30] <owh> Yelu: Well, that was my first duckduckgo search ;-)
[07:31] <teaearlgraycold> Do I need them to be the same /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda5?
[07:31] <Yelu> http://earthwithsun.com/questions/137461/does-mailx-send-mail-using-an-smtp-relay-or-does-it-directly-connect-to-the-targ
[07:31] <Yelu> owh, demoz^
[07:31] <Ben64> teaearlgraycold: no, but you might have to modify fstab if it doesn't find your swap partition after you reboot
[07:31] <Molean> WilliamTell: I think mount says they are RW, but they are all definitely read only
[07:31] <teaearlgraycold> Ben64, so I can do that from my original OS?
[07:32] <jason_> a 200gig swap? thats a little mad, or your working with some beast of farm
[07:32] <Yelu> demoz, owh, there is an very detailled example on that page
[07:32] <WilliamTell> Molean: well if it says rw, then it is rw. what are you experiencing that says it is read only?
[07:32] <teaearlgraycold> Or do I need a live CD
[07:32] <owh> Yelu: I'm reading it. Looks interesting.
[07:32] <Ben64> teaearlgraycold: yeah you can do that from your OS
[07:32] <teaearlgraycold> It'll just throw an error and be fine for the most part?
[07:33] <Ben64> teaearlgraycold: you might not even see the error, but you can check to see how much swap is currently enabled with the command "free -m"
[07:33] <owh> demoz: This is the link from that article you need: http://www.fclose.com/1411/sending-email-from-mailx-command-in-linux-using-gmails-smtp/
[07:33] <Molean> WilliamTell: Aside from the second half of properies saying read only? The fact that I can not add, alter, or delete files through file manager
[07:33] <teaearlgraycold> Okay. Should I leave a buffer at the end of the HDD?
[07:33] <owh> Yelu: Yup. It seems that the answer is yes ;-) Learnt something new.
[07:33] <teaearlgraycold> Gparted seems to have automatically left 1MB at the end
[07:33] <bazhang> Molean, it's a system file. use sudo
[07:33] <demoz> yelu owh thank you guys :)
[07:33] <Ben64> teaearlgraycold: if you think you'll put something else there, the 1MB is for alignment issues
[07:34] <Yelu> owh, demoz, you're welcome :)
[07:34] <teaearlgraycold> Okay, cool
[07:34] <Molean> bazhang: My video folder is not a system file...
[07:34] <teaearlgraycold> I'll apply the changes now
[07:34] <bazhang> Molean, xorg.conf?
[07:34] <Molean> bleach
[07:34] <Molean> [DB]_Bleach_263_[D27639A7].avi
[07:35] <Ben64> Molean: because  you're on a live system. not on your user
[07:35] <Molean> If you must know, just a example of course
[07:35] <Molean> ben64 thankyou captain obvious
[07:35] <Ben64> well you seemed confused
[07:35] <bazhang> Molean, that attitude is not acceptable here, ever
[07:36] <Molean> Saying something is obvious?
[07:36] <owh> Molean: Sarcasm.
[07:36] <Molean> k
[07:36] <bazhang> being rude Molean
[07:36] <Molean> wasn't
[07:36] <Ben64> Molean: if you're wondering why you can't modify files of your installed user from the livecd user, that is the reason
[07:36] <Molean> people butting in feels rude to me, but maybe that's just me
[07:37] <Molean> There is a fix for that ben, believe it or not but please get off my back
[07:37] <owh> Molean: You need to remember that people come here from all over the world with different languages and backgrounds. One person's joke is another's offence.
[07:37] <Molean> I feel like Im getting harassed here
[07:37] <owh> Molean: It's a group effort. Not a one-on-one support channel. People help if they can.
[07:37] <Ben64> Molean: you realize you've been here for 11 hours now with the same simple problem? it would behoove you to listen and accept help people are volunteering
[07:37] <teaearlgraycold> It's booting but is giving a disk not available error
[07:38] <Molean> ben I don't realize things that aren't true
[07:38] <AnAnt> Hello, I am using Ubuntu 12.04 (LTS), when I run do-release-upgrade, it says that there are no new releases, although 14.04 (LTS) has been released, why is that ?
[07:38] <owh> Ben64: O.o, 11 hours?
[07:38] <Ben64> owh: yes.
[07:38] <Molean> bs
[07:38] <owh> Ben64: You're being very patient ;-)
[07:38] <Ben64> http://2.ben64.com/random_junk/molean
[07:38] <jason_> ant, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:39] <teaearlgraycold> The abundance of IRC nick based domains is hilarious
[07:39] <AnAnt> jason_: done that before running do-release-upgrade
[07:39] <jason_> tea, which disk? your root.. is it busybox?
[07:39] <owh> AnAnt: Which mirror are you using?
[07:39] <Molean> WilliamTell: So do you know the fix for that?
[07:40] <bazhang> AnAnt, that will take effect once 14.04.1 is released, in July
[07:40] <Flannel> AnAnt: By default, LTS upgrades won't happen until 14.04.1 (in approximately 2.5 months), this is done for stability.  If you want to upgrade early, add "-d" as a flag to your ugrade command
[07:40] <WilliamTell> Molean: for what exactly? I wasn't following everything
[07:40] <crocket> teaearlgraycold, Like crocket.io?
[07:40] <owh> Ben64: As I said, very patient.
[07:40] <AnAnt> bazhang: ah, thanks
[07:40] <AnAnt> Flannel: thanks
[07:40] <teaearlgraycold> crocket, :P
[07:40] <Molean> WilliamTell: To make external drives read write from a usb live drive
[07:40] <crocket> teaearlgraycold, People want to represent themselves.
[07:41] <teaearlgraycold> Ben64, do I have to write down the UUID?
[07:41] <owh> Flannel: Ooh, learnt another new thing today. That's two!
[07:41] <WilliamTell> Molean: I'm thinking bazhang is correct and you just need the proper permissions to be able to edit system files
[07:41] <Ben64> teaearlgraycold: no
[07:41] <Molean> WilliamTell: It has nothing to do with file systems
[07:42] <Molean> It has to do with accessing drives outside a live flash drive
[07:42] <teaearlgraycold> Ben64, I have /etc/fstab open. It has the wrong UUID for the swap partition
[07:42] <jason_> ok, creepy stalky mcstalkin, please leave my ame alone, and use my online presence is intentional
[07:42] <jason_> ...
[07:42] <Ben64> teaearlgraycold: ooh, then you should fix that
[07:42] <jason_> damn . ive had way too little coffe
[07:42] <teaearlgraycold> Ben64, so I have to write down the partition's UUID?
[07:42] <teaearlgraycold> That doesn't sound like fun
[07:42] <Ben64> teaearlgraycold: you can just copy it
[07:43] <Molean> WilliamTell: How do i set said drives permissions for RW?
[07:43] <WilliamTell> Molean: you said they were already rw??
[07:43] <teaearlgraycold> Ben64, don't know how to do that in terminal
[07:43] <Molean> WilliamTell: No I didnt
[07:43] <Ben64> teaearlgraycold: are you back in your ubuntu?
[07:43] <teaearlgraycold> Ben64, yes. I'm running Ubuntu server edition. No X installed
[07:44] <Molean> WilliamTell: Do you know how?
 WilliamTell: I think mount says they are RW, but they are all definitely read only
[07:45] <Molean> WilliamTell: If they were already that way, why would I ask how to make them that way? strange
[07:45] <WilliamTell> like I said, rw means rw
[07:45] <owh> Ben64: Has anyone considered that the card isn't installed correctly?
[07:45] <owh> Ben64: Wading through 11 hours is a challenge ;)
[07:45] <Ben64> owh: try living it
[07:46] <Deddokatana> phew..
[07:46] <Ben64> teaearlgraycold: you can get the uuid from "sudo blkid"
[07:46] <Molean> WilliamTell Notice where I explicitly said "they are all definitely read only" and further backed that up, so please don't randomly call me a liar
[07:46] <owh> Ben64: Nah, been there, done that, wrote the book. It ended up with a telepathic printer in a room without power and not connected to the computer.
[07:46] <WilliamTell> Molean: whoa calm down, maybe you just need to use sudo?
[07:46] <teaearlgraycold> Ben64, already did. Got it typed out into fstab and I'm rebooting
[07:47] <Deddokatana> very new install this.. utopic turned less stable thn a balanced pencil on a rollercoaster
[07:47] <Molean> WilliamTell: of course sudo bypasses read only, but that doesn't change the permissions of the drives, just of the person
[07:47] <Ben64> teaearlgraycold: ok, "free -m" should give you a swap line with ~2048MB total swap
[07:47] <teaearlgraycold> Ben64, okay
[07:47] <Molean> WilliamTell do you or do you not know how?
[07:47] <WilliamTell> Molean: actually, if it is truely mounted read only, not even root could write to it
[07:47]  * owh wades in.
[07:47] <teaearlgraycold> Booting up takes a while because the machine hangs on not being able to config the network connection
[07:48] <Molean> WilliamTell I am talking about the physical drive being read only, I am talking about it being designated as such
[07:48] <teaearlgraycold> Not sure if I can bypass that somehow
[07:48] <ritesh> any one here ?
[07:48] <Molean> WilliamTell I want to be able to manipulate files without running commands through terminals constantly, I know it's possible because ive done it before. Do you know how or not???
[07:48] <WilliamTell> Molean: right. if a partition is mounted read only, nobody, not root, not sudo, nobody can write to it
[07:48] <teaearlgraycold> ritesh, yes
[07:48] <Deddokatana> tea, instll network manager, and stop being so cheap with syem resources
[07:48] <ritesh> can someone please tell me how to join anew groop ?
[07:48] <ritesh> i mean new channel
[07:48] <owh> Molean: I am not completely across your problem. Has anyone at any point in the past 11 hours asked you to boot from a LiveCD to check if the video card is actually visible from within the OS, using lspci?
[07:49] <ritesh> i want to join #logstash channel
[07:49] <owh> ritesh: Use the /join command.
[07:49] <teaearlgraycold> Deddokatana, what?
[07:49] <ritesh> should i type it right here ?
[07:49] <teaearlgraycold> What's that going to do for me?
[07:49] <WilliamTell> Molean: you will always need sudo to access system files
[07:49] <owh> ritesh: Yup.
[07:49] <ritesh> thanks owh.
[07:49] <ritesh> :)
[07:49] <teaearlgraycold> Ben64, cool, my swap seems to be there!
[07:49] <teaearlgraycold> Thanks a bunch
[07:49] <Ben64> !yay | teaearlgraycold
[07:50] <owh> Nice.
[07:50] <ritesh> Thanks a ton owh.
[07:50] <teaearlgraycold> Now to set it up on the correct subnet and restart those services
[07:50] <owh> ritesh: Pleasure.
[07:50] <Molean> WilliamTell and you are saying all drives outside of a live are considered system files?
[07:50] <Molean> and that there is no way around that?
[07:50] <WilliamTell> Molean: no, but system files on a different partition are still owned by root
[07:51] <Molean> I am not talking about system files, I am not talking about system files, I am not talking about SYSTEM FILES!!!!!!
[07:51] <WilliamTell> bazhang said you wanted xorg.conf? that is definitely a system file.
[07:51] <Molean> I said bleach video
[07:52] <Molean> You saying bazhang knows more about what I want then I do?
[07:52] <WilliamTell> Ok, and that has already been explained to you by Ben64, who you yelled at after he gave you the correct answer
[07:52] <Molean> That all drives outside the live are system files? wrong
[07:53] <WilliamTell> Molean: you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of file permissions on linux
[07:53] <cfhowlett> !who
[07:53] <owh> Molean: May I suggest that you get up from your workstation and go for a 10 minute walk. It appears to me that you're pretty angry and that doesn't help solving problems. Many people have attempted to help you, as volunteers, so some kindness will go a long way.
[07:53] <Molean> I said before, I will say again, It is possible, because Ive done it before, so I know it is possible, so either you know or don't, and if you dont, then just say so
[07:54] <Molean> yeah thanks owh
[07:54] <WilliamTell> Molean: Is it possible to get rid of all file permission on linux? Sure. Will I tell you how? No. That is wildly insecure.
[07:55] <demoz> owh Yelu this is neat tutorial for sendmail email with mailx with smtp https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-send-e-mail-alerts-on-a-centos-vps-for-system-monitoring :)
[07:55] <Molean> Not what I said william, I asked how to make drives designated read write that are outside a usb flash drive
[07:55] <Molean> live drive
[07:56] <WilliamTell> Molean: we seem to be going around in circles. they are read write already. you appear to simply lack permissions
[07:56] <Molean> yes, I want to set the permissions, Like I said
[07:57] <Molean> the drives are physically read write, but they lack that designation
[07:57] <Molean> that permission
[07:57] <WilliamTell> Molean: why not go the easy way and use root and/or sudo for things that require it?
[07:57] <Molean> because thats not easy at all
[07:58] <Molean> using terminal commands for every little alteration of file is nothing like easy
[07:58] <jpjacobs> Hi! Does anyone know how to have deja-dup launch a backup without being logged into a GUI session?
[07:58] <WilliamTell> Molean: it should be very rare that you need to edit system files
[07:58] <Molean> please dont be rude william
[07:58] <jpjacobs> I noticed that daily backups don't happen when not logged in :/ which is a major bummer when working from a distance over ssh
[07:59] <Molean> You are smart enough to know I already told you about that
[07:59]  * Yelu is reading demoz's link
[07:59] <owh> !who | Molean
[08:00] <owh> Molean: Let's start with some civility around here. All of us are volunteers. The only person who remembers everything is you. We come and go to help as we can.
[08:00] <Molean> WilliamTell, is williamt also you? Thanks to that name autocomplete doesnt work and I got to type it out completely
[08:00] <Molean> owh thankyou, I am glad you are on my side
[08:01] <uRajvi> Need some help with Empathy on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[08:01] <WilliamTell> Molean: Nope, I'm the only me here
[08:01] <owh> Molean: I'm on nobody's side. I'm here as a volunteer to help. If you want my help, you'll need to be patient and civil.
[08:01] <Yelu> demoz, yup, very useful, thank you
[08:02] <Molean> owh you think the same as me, which makes me consider you on my side
[08:02] <Molean> We should be patient and civil, here here!
[08:02] <uRajvi> Waitiig for my turn :(
[08:02] <owh> uRajvi: What is your issue. I didn't see it in this flurry of noise.
[08:03] <Beldar> Hello Ubuntu care taking; how can we enable you.
[08:03] <cfhowlett> uRajvi please state your issue
[08:03] <uRajvi> On Startup Empathy always is offline
[08:04] <demoz> Yelu you are welcome,thank you for time and pointers :)
[08:04] <owh> uRajvi: http://askubuntu.com/questions/193059/empathy-sign-in-automatically
[08:04] <teaearlgraycold> Okay so for absolutely no reason at all my server decided to change its interface name from eth1 to eth0
[08:05] <yossarianuk>  hi - having an issue with the 2nd LAN NIC in an Ubuntu 14.04 server - on reboot eth1 keeps getting renamed - sometimes to em2, sometimes to rename4
[08:05] <owh> ROTFL
[08:05] <yossarianuk>  how can I prevent this ?  previously it would use info in /etc/udev/rules.d/ in 14.04 how can I ensure the device name for eth1 stays constant ?
[08:05] <owh> teaearlgraycold: You appear to have the same issue as yossarianuk.
[08:05] <uRajvi> Let me reboot
[08:05]  * owh recommends that you both continue the discussion in #ubuntu-server.
[08:05] <yossarianuk> (what was so wrong with eth1 anyway.....)
[08:05] <teaearlgraycold> owh, solution: never restart the machine
[08:06] <teaearlgraycold> owh, fair enough
[08:06] <yossarianuk> owh: ok - am in there .
[08:06] <owh> uRajvi: You only have to logout.
[08:06] <yossarianuk> thats not really a solution
[08:06] <yossarianuk> kernel, glibc, updates, etc
[08:07] <owh> yossarianuk: Can I recommend that you discuss this in #ubuntu-server with teaearlgraycold?
[08:07] <yossarianuk> sure - np
[08:08] <uRajvi_> Thanks empathy-h did the job !
[08:10] <nomnex> !info
[08:10] <uRajvi_> Thanks empathy-h did the job !
[08:10] <coventry> xbacklight stopped working after I upgraded to trusty.  Any suggestions for how to fix it?  (Same screen brightness for "xbacklight -set 0" and "xbacklight -set 100")
[08:10] <Molean> Lets say you booted up using a USB live, and you wanted to do some stuff with the documents in your document file of your HDD, You want to be able to create, save, and delete documents as you wish, without having to run it through terminal every single time
[08:10] <owh> uRajvi_: Excellent.
[08:10] <Molean> There is a way to do this, Does anyone know this way?
[08:11] <uRajvi_> Sorry sorry
[08:11] <uRajvi_> I am newbie
[08:11] <uRajvi_> NOw another problem Empathy is not lauching
[08:12] <owh> Molean: The USB live does not share the users with the system. Permissions to access those files can only go through root, and only if the documents are not on an encrypted home directory.
[08:12] <owh> uRajvi_: Did you put a space before the -h?
[08:12] <owh> Molean: Does your computer have one or two video cards?
[08:13] <uRajvi_> When I rebooted the system it came up online by default as I wanted, however now i can't launch the app itself
[08:13] <Molean> owh: What does video cards have to do with FS permission systems?
[08:14] <uRajvi_> no it didn't put any spaces
[08:14] <owh> Molean: I'm aware that you're having a problem with your video card, or am I mistaken?
[08:14] <owh> uRajvi_: The link I sent you has a space between: "empathy -h"
[08:14] <Molean> I didn't ask anything about a video card
[08:14] <Molean> Please stick to what I am asking about
[08:14] <uRajvi_> Oh Sorry
[08:14] <owh> !who | Molean
[08:14] <Molean> L
[08:15] <uRajvi_> Restarting again
[08:15] <Molean> owh:  It was right after you spoke and chats not that busy, please don't fret that much about less important issues
[08:16] <Molean> owh BUT i give some effort to, if it matters that much to you
[08:16] <owh> Molean: I am not only looking at this screen. There are other things happening in my life. If you want a timely response, use the nick.
[08:17] <tty> Hi. I have a wordpress installation on Ubuntu but the contact form is not sending the email. Anyone know what to do?
[08:17] <tty> [11:19am]
[08:17] <Molean> owh Anyway, I have other issues I have questions over too, but they are separate issues, if you mix them together we won't make progress on any of em
[08:19] <owh> Molean: If you separate them out and the issues are related, we might end up chasing our tails. So tell us what is actually wrong. If it's a long story, use pastebin, write it all down, send us a link and we'll see what we can help with.
[08:20] <uRajvi> No Help
[08:20] <uRajvi> It shows online by default, but can't launch the App
[08:21] <Molean> owh unrelated things are unrelated things, lets deal with one thing at a time. Do you doubt me, are you calling me a liar, when I say I have managed, with help, to set up open permissions for drives outside of usb live, so that I can alter when I want without running through terminal?
[08:22] <owh> Sorry mate, that's not how we talk around here Molean.
[08:22] <uRajvi> #owh
[08:22] <Molean> owh:  If not english, then what do you call it?
[08:23] <owh> Molean: The language you're using is abusive. It's not the first time.
[08:23] <owh> uRajvi: How can I help?
[08:23] <WilliamTell> Molean: owh is trying to help you, why not let him?
[08:23] <Molean> I didn't say anything abusive
[08:23] <uRajvi> Can't launch Empathy now
[08:23] <Molean> You use that word too freely so that it has no meaning like that
[08:23] <owh> !who | uRajvi
[08:23] <Molean> if that can be called abusive, anything can
[08:24] <owh> uRajvi: So, you added empathy -h to your start up items and you can no longer launch it?
[08:24] <WilliamTell> Molean: Lets assume that there is a way to give you root without using sudo or gksudo. Nobody here knows how, so why not just save everyone's time and use sudo?
[08:25] <Molean> oops owh I didn't say anything abusive. 	You use that word too freely so that it has no meaning like that. if that can be called abusive, anything can.
[08:25] <owh> Molean: You are accusing me of calling you a liar. That is both untrue and abusive.
[08:25] <Molean> williamtell, that wouldnt be saving my time. And since I dont know most terminal commands, there are things I cant even do like that
[08:26] <owh> Molean: So settle down, ask your question and perhaps do as I asked you.
[08:26] <Molean> owh you just accused me of being abusive, isn't that stronger then liar?
[08:26] <WilliamTell> Molean: how long have you spent here trying to figure out a way to not use sudo?
[08:26]  * owh sighs.
[08:27] <Molean> owh anyway, you are questioning my honesty when I tell you something and you  act like I didnt say it or that it isnt true
[08:27] <owh> Molean: I have a few hours today to share with the community. I came here to help people, not to be abused. If you're not wanting to do either, what are you doing here?
[08:28] <Molean> williamtell I don't know how to save a document through sudo, and dont underestimate how time consuming it would be to have to write a line for every little change
[08:28] <WilliamTell> Molean: by now you could have already solved your problem and been back on your normal install
[08:29] <Molean> owh, feel free to help me if you can, if you can't, ok
[08:30] <Molean> WilliamTell: Anyway, wouldn't it be similar just to tell me you don't know and then be silent on the issue?
[08:30] <owh> Molean: If I understand correctly, your video card died. You replaced it, but it doesn't work properly. You're currently running a LiveCD where it does work. You want to edit a file on your normal drive but are having problems.
[08:30] <owh> Molean: Is that understanding correct?
[08:31] <Molean> owh nearly
[08:31] <WilliamTell> Molean: yeah, I already said if such a way exists to become root without using sudo, I don't know it. Neither does anyone in this channel. I personally doubt such a method exists. So dealing with that, how about we solve your problem by using sudo?
[08:31] <Molean> owh and Ive already tried a number of different things
[08:32] <Molean> How do you create edit and save a file using sudo?
[08:32] <owh> Molean: What about my understanding is not correct?
[08:32] <Molean> owh to the point where it seemed like no one had anything to to suggest
[08:33] <zappy> Molean: did you try chroot?
[08:33] <Molean> zappy try it for what?
[08:33] <WilliamTell> Molean: sudo nano /path/to/file
[08:33] <zappy> Molean:enter your system
[08:34] <owh> Molean: Sometimes problems are hard to resolve using IRC. Sometimes that's because both parties don't have the same understanding of what's going on, sometimes it's something that's been missed. You've been here for 11 hours. It's appropriate to revisit our assumptions to make sure we're solving the right problem.
[08:34] <Molean> owh its not the video card that isnt working, but the driver its a persistent live usb flash drive,  and editing files on my regular hard drive is only mildly connected at best
[08:35] <Molean> Well, in the way I was asking about I mean
[08:35] <Molean> owh http://paste.ubuntu.com/7413895/
[08:37] <Molean> WilliamTell: how do I sudo the file into existance in the first place?
[08:37] <owh> Molean: Right, so editing documents on your hard-drive from the LiveCD is only because you cannot get your video card to work right. Is that correct?
[08:37] <Molean> mostly right
[08:37] <WilliamTell> Molean: if the file doesn't exist, then nano will create it
[08:37] <Molean> One particular file I need to edit in order to try a method
[08:38] <owh> WilliamTell: Is there any reason we're not starting the machine up in VESA mode from the boot prompt?
[08:38] <Molean> williamtell, how do I do path to file, of a file that doesnt exist yet?
[08:38] <owh> WilliamTell: So, we're not using a LiveCD?
[08:39] <WilliamTell> owh: I'm not sure, I haven't been here very long
[08:39] <Molean> owh, any particular reason your talking to william and not me?
[08:39] <owh> Molean: I'm asking WilliamTell because he's also trying to help. If we coordinate our efforts we can help you better rather than trying six things at the same time.
[08:39] <WilliamTell> when I came in here I saw stuff about xorg.conf, so I figured that's what the problem was
[08:40] <Molean> WilliamTell:  No, just one of several possible solutions
[08:40] <Molean> exact problem is unknown
[08:41] <Molean> attempts at using other solutions ran into the solutions not working as expected, and not fixing the problem
[08:42] <Molean> WilliamTell how do I do path to file, of a file that doesnt exist yet?
[08:43] <jason_> login Deddokatana
[08:43] <WilliamTell> Molean: I'm unsure of your mount point but it'd be something like this... sudo nano /media/mountpoint/etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:43] <Zyrax> Hello. Anyone here that can help me to figure out how to do a script running on my Ubuntu-box that will query a webpage and measure the loadtime...?
[08:45] <Molean> WilliamTell So directory path will suffice? But the directory paths very long with random characters, Its much easier if I drag and drop into terminal, but how do I do that for a file that doesn't exist?
[08:45] <WilliamTell> Molean: well you can use tab completion for the directory names, and just fill in xorg.conf at the end
[08:46] <Molean> ill try
[08:46] <arcsky> hello guys, when i start apache on ubuntu with /etc/init.d/apache start . which config files does it use then?
[08:47] <Zyrax> I am looking for total rentdering time including scripts. So a simple curl is out of the question.
[08:49] <owh> Molean: I would like to suggest something that has been previously tried. It appears to me that the attempt failed. It will feel like you're going backwards, but we're trying to fix your problem. I recommend that you stop doing what WilliamTell is helping you with. Are you ok with trying this?
[08:50] <owh> arcsky: /etc/apache2
[08:50] <cactuswizard> how can i format my usb stick?
[08:50] <Molean> owh dont do the vesa thing? I just finished setting it up though
[08:50] <Molean> owh be more specific please, what do you want to try?
[08:51] <owh> Molean: I want to recommend that you stop using the LiveCD and boot from your normal drive in graphics recovery mode, use the normal ubuntu tools to remove packages and reinstall missing ones. Hopefully this will resolve your issue.
[08:52] <owh> cactuswizard: http://askubuntu.com/questions/198065/how-to-format-a-usb-drive
[08:52] <Molean> well that graphics recovery thing was a bit confusing before, though I think I understand more
[08:52] <owh> Molean: Before we do this, how are you currently talking to us?
[08:52] <Molean> owh how will I know what packages are missing or need to be removed?
[08:52] <Molean> USB live flash
[08:53] <Molean> persistant
[08:53] <owh> Molean: Do you have more than one computer?
[08:53] <Molean> no
[08:53] <owh> Molean: That's going to make it tougher. We need to get you to a point where you have enough of your computer running, so you can come back to us.
[08:53] <Molean> owh And this vesa things been set up, all i need to do is reboot and see what happens I think
[08:54] <owh> Molean: Well start with that then.
[08:54] <Molean> Ok, im off for now while I do that
[08:54] <owh> Molean: Good luck.
[08:54] <Molean> owh thanks
[08:55]  * owh thanks all participants to date for their perseverance.
[09:02] <Su7> Hi #ubuntu. Has this issue been resolved yet ? http://askubuntu.com/questions/130514/ubuntu-12-04-wallpaper-problem-when-using-two-monitors - http://askubuntu.com/questions/181368/notebook-dual-monitor-setup-wallpaper-resolution-changes-on-restart-or-relog?lq=1
[09:02] <InFierno> MM guys anyone know of a website that lets u make *.bla subdomains which u can set DNS on (like old co.cc /co.nr)
[09:03] <owh> InFierno: DynamicDNS?
[09:04] <InFierno> Doesnt that reequire software to be installed to link it to an IP?
[09:04] <InFierno> I only want it for a little project
[09:04] <InFierno> so free is good
[09:04] <owh> InFierno: You can use AWS free tier for a year.
[09:06] <owh> Su7: I do not know. Are you running 12.04, or upgrading to 14.04?
[09:06] <Su7> owh : I run 14.04
[09:07] <owh> Su7: So, are you still having that issue?
[09:07] <InFierno> AWS seems overkill for basically URL redirection
[09:09] <phasip> I'm watching youtube videos with sound that is on only the left side. Can I in some easy way make the left side also be played on the right side?
[09:10] <Su7> owh: yes, still having the issue right now
[09:10] <optimigt> #Apachefriends
[09:10] <xangua> phasip: change to mono then in your sounds settings
[09:10] <owh> optimigt: You need the /join command
[09:11] <Su7> It's really weird, because on a modern GNOME on my arch I cannot reproduce the issue
[09:12] <Molean> im back
[09:13] <Arctic> helo?
[09:13] <Molean> hi
[09:14] <Arctic> Can you help me with booting?
[09:14] <Yelu> Molean, so you're a lucky man now, or not?
[09:14] <Molean> Yelu Not especially, it loaded, but the graphics still arent fixed
[09:15] <Molean> How do I go in and add or subtract what in order for a real fix?
[09:15] <phasip> xangua: Aaah, thanks. My ears have now stopped bleeding
[09:15] <Dvorovoi> is there an effective way to find out what was going on just before my pc locks up?
[09:15] <Dvorovoi> or i should ask, what logs do i check
[09:16] <Yelu> Molean, I'm sorry to hear this.
[09:17] <TJ-> Dvorovoi: Check which log files were last written to, with "sudo ls -latr /var/log/" then look at, especially, kern.log, syslog, Xorg.0.log and possibly auth.log
[09:17] <Molean> Yelu, well might you please take a stab at my question?
[09:17] <Yelu> Molean, I don't know this ATI stuff well, but owh suggested to do this boot recovery/restore thing ...
[09:17] <Dvorovoi> TJ-: thanks
[09:18] <Molean> Yelu what do you mean?
[09:18] <Molean> owh: You there?
[09:18] <owh> Molean: So, let me get this straight. You're currently running your own machine, from its own harddisk, not from the LiveCD right?
[09:18] <Yelu> Molean, owh is the "lead"
[09:19] <TJ-> Dvorovoi: Be aware with sudden freezes it is unlikely the log-files are written to with anything about the immediate event, but may have some earlier indications of a build-up of issues
[09:19] <owh> Molean: So, let me get this straight. You're currently running your own machine, from its own harddisk, not from the LiveCD right?
[09:20] <Molean> owh yes but the graphics are a little funky, and I dont want to go through all this every time
[09:20] <Dvorovoi> TJ-: well it usually happens when im running eclipse
[09:20] <Molean> owh I want to fix the problem
[09:20] <owh> Molean: What do you mean when you say "funky"
[09:20] <Dvorovoi> TJ-: and the first time it went away by switching from OpenJDK to java8. didnt freeze for a couple of days
[09:21] <owh> Molean: If I'm going to help you, you need to be precise. This can still end badly, so one step at a time.
[09:21] <Molean> owh has a bit of a faded grainy look to it, this card is capable of more then this
[09:21] <Molean> owh and graphics looked better from the flash drive too
[09:21] <owh> Molean: You booted into graphics recovery mode, or into VESA mode as configured?
[09:21] <Dvorovoi> TJ-: i should say. it always happens when im running eclipse
[09:22] <optimigt> How to install(xampp-linux-x64-1.8.3-4-installer.run)on my Ubuntu 14.04 system?
[09:22] <Molean> owh the vesa thing didnt  do anything, I went into low graphics recovery mode
[09:22] <TJ-> Dvorovoi: Does the entire PC freeze up, or just the GUI? In other words, can you switch to a terminal using Ctrl+Alt+F1, or can you remotely connect using SSH to the PC when it is otherwise frozen?
[09:22] <owh> Molean: So, to make sure, you selected the graphics recovery mode from the grub menu?
[09:22] <Dvorovoi> TJ-: ill try the ctrl+alt+f1 thing next time
[09:22] <Dvorovoi> TJ-: but mouse and keyboard lock up
[09:23] <Dvorovoi> TJ-: and audio playback
[09:23] <Molean> owh yes
[09:23] <yossarianuk> teaearlgraycold: I have a solution to the eth1 -> rename4 , etc
[09:23] <owh> Molean: Which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[09:24] <Molean> 12.4
[09:25] <Molean> why?
[09:25] <owh> Molean: I'm going through *all* the steps. Not skipping any. No surprises.
[09:25] <owh> Molean: Which video card did you have that failed?
[09:25] <TJ-> Dvorovoi: If you have an expectation of the freeze, I'd run a terminal window tailing the kernel log in case you can catch an indication on-screen "sudo tail -f /var/log/kern.log"
[09:25] <security_fan> pricey
[09:25] <Molean> radeon 6850 replaced with a radeon 7700
[09:26] <Molean> a definite downgrade
[09:26] <Dvorovoi> TJ-: will do thanks!
[09:26] <optimigt> How to install program on Ubuntu 14.04 System which has .run extension?
[09:27] <owh> !who | Molean
[09:28] <Molean> owh radeon 6850 replaced with a radeon 7700
[09:28] <TJ-> Dvorovoi: Does the host have sufficient RAM? I've known Eclipse and larger projects cause issues in the past, of a similar nature, by forcing swap usage which caused disk thrashing
[09:28] <owh> Molean: If we're going to do this, you need to understand that I'm doing things on multiple screens. I won't see anything unless you use my nick. I'm not trying to be a pig, I'm trying to help.
[09:29] <Dvorovoi> TJ-: You know, Im new Ubuntu, been using windows up until last week. I havent even checked to see if its registering all my RAM...dont even know how
[09:29] <Dvorovoi> TJ-: Also I use solid state hard drives. donno if that affects it
[09:29] <owh> Molean: I understand that you followed some instructions to remove and reinstall drivers. Is that correct?
[09:30] <Dvorovoi> TJ-: But i SHOULD have 8gb RAM
[09:30] <TJ-> Dvorovoi: "free" will report the RAM (caches and buffers will use any free RAM until it is needed, so don't be surprised by an apparent low value for 'free')
[09:31] <Molean> owh something like that, but they didnt work at all, seemed to make it worse even
[09:31] <Molean> owh didn't even flow right in the middle
[09:31] <liuls> hi
[09:31] <Dvorovoi> TJ-: and free reports in bytes?
[09:31] <liuls> why my ibus con't work on firefox
[09:31] <owh> Molean: I understand that it failed. What I need to learn is what you did, so we can undo it.
[09:32] <Radon_3> gud after noon everyone, whatcommand do I have to run? so that when I run sudo apt-get update, it will download everything all over again? kind of reset apt-get?
[09:33] <TJ-> Dvorovoi: in KB. You can change that to 'human' with "free -h" ... for almost every command on the system, you can get consistent usage help via man-pages, e.g. "man free"
[09:33] <liuls> it's work on GNOME Terminal
[09:33] <liuls> but it isn't work on firefox
[09:34] <Dvorovoi> TJ-: man is a new command to me, ive just been checking to see if commands have a --help
[09:34] <Radon_3> ok thank you
[09:35] <Molean> owh even if its undone, the problem still exists, just in another form
[09:36] <TJ-> Dvorovoi: some commands do, but it is Debian policy to provide a man-page for each user-callable executable, and often others too. Many of the operating system and standard C library functions and structures are also documented that way. "man" is always your first port of call if you need clear information... it'll describe more than a '--help' ever can
[09:36] <Molean> own I think we might get there faster by walking forewards, rather then walking backwards
[09:36] <Molean> owh I think we might get there faster by walking forewards, rather then walking backwards
[09:36] <owh> Molean: I understand. The problem is that I don't yet know which part of your machine is broken. I know that the video isn't working as expected, but that requires a lot of things to work. Bear with me please.
[09:37] <Radon_3> owh: can yoube kind and give mea handwith this please?
[09:37] <Molean> owh pretty positive its the video card drivers, so that I simple need to dig out all the old driver files and replace em with something more fitting
[09:37] <owh> Radon_3: Right now I'm in the middle of fixing another problem. Sorry.
[09:37] <Radon_3> ok i'll wait
[09:37] <Radon_3> nprblms
[09:38] <owh> Molean: The video card drivers is not a single file, it's a whole collection of things that interact with each other, several layers, each has to work. If you deleted two bits from three layers, installing the drivers won't fix it.
[09:39]  * Radon_3 is whissiling
[09:39] <owh> Molean, please open up a terminal.
[09:40] <Molean> owh go on
[09:41] <TJ-> Radon_3: 'update' will only fetch package lists that have changed. You'd need to (manually) delete those stored in "/var/lib/apt/lists/" for apt to re-fetch them
[09:41] <owh> Molean: sudo apt-get update <enter>
[09:41] <Radon_3> will it be ok if I removed every single file in tht folder?
[09:41] <Radon_3> TJ-?
[09:41] <Rory> Radon_3: I have a script which does something similar to what you need perhaps: http://rory.sh/fixpackages
[09:42] <Rory> Radon_3: wget -O - http://rory.sh/fixpackages | sh
[09:43] <centor_> Is it possible to move the htdocs folder to other hard drive?
[09:43] <Rory> centor_: Yes, are you using apache?
[09:43] <centor_> xampp
[09:44] <Rory> centor_: What Ubuntu version are you using? (What is the output of the command cat /etc/issue )
[09:44] <centor_> Rory Ubuntu 14.04 LTS \n \l
[09:44] <Rory> centor_: How did you install apache?
[09:45] <Rory> centor_: Edit the file /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default (or similar) and change the location of the htdocs folder
[09:45] <Rory> centor_: Then move the actual files to that location
[09:45] <owh> Molean: Where is that command at?
[09:45] <Dvorovoi> When using tail on the kern.log file. is there a way to filter out the UFW messages?
[09:46] <centor_> Rory okay
[09:46] <security_fan> pricey
[09:46] <owh> Dvorovoi: Pipe it through a grep -v
[09:46] <Rory> centor_: If you need more help configuring apache I recommend asking in #apache as well
[09:46] <centor_> Rory ok
[09:46] <Dvorovoi> owh: awesome thanks
[09:47] <security_fan> lol
[09:47] <Molean> owh its still downloading updates
[09:47] <owh> Molean: Let me know when its done.
[09:48] <Molean> owh seems to be stuck on "Connecting to packages.medibuntu.org"
[09:49] <cfhowlett> Molean medibuntu is dead and gone
[09:49] <Rory> Molean: Medibuntu has now been shut down, the packages were either obsolete, unnecessary or moved to the official Ubuntu archive.
[09:49] <owh> Molean: Press Ctrl-C and stop the command.
[09:50] <Molean> k
[09:50] <Molean> owh stopped
[09:50] <owh> Molean: Open up Software Sources and remove medibuntu.
[09:50] <Molean> owh you mean software center?
[09:51] <Rory> Molean: It's called Software& Updates
[09:51] <owh> Rory, did it get renamed?
[09:51] <Rory> owh: Yes
[09:51] <Radon_3> bery bery amazing: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt
[09:51] <Radon_3> didn't know
[09:51] <owh> That's three new things I learnt today ;-)
[09:52] <demoz> Molean System settings > Software & Updates>Other software
[09:52] <owh> Does it look the same? I don't have one lying around.
[09:52] <owh> demoz: Thank you.
[09:52] <demoz> np owh :)
[09:52] <Molean> synaptic package manager?
[09:53] <demoz> Molean System Settings
[09:53] <Yelu> Rory, not under 12.04 (which is molean's version)
[09:53] <Rory> owh: http://i.imgur.com/th9ealw.png
[09:53] <Rory> Molean: Software Properties
[09:53] <owh> Yelu, No, he;s told us it's 14.04
[09:53] <Molean> I never said that
[09:53] <owh> Bugger
[09:54] <owh> No, he didn't.
[09:54] <Yelu> owh, sorry, missed that somehow :(
[09:54] <Molean> update manager?
[09:54] <owh> Whoops :-)
[09:54] <Molean> owh update manager?
[09:54] <owh> Molean: Hang on.
[09:55] <owh> Rory, that's for 14.04 right?
[09:55] <owh> Doh, it says so right in the picture.
[09:55] <Radon_3> https://i.imgur.com/th9ealw.png -> is this how 14.04 looks? Cause I want that
[09:55] <Radon_3> OMG
[09:55] <owh> Under 12.04, is it still called Software Sources?
[09:55] <owh> BRB, door bell.
[09:56] <Molean> owh what's the next step anyway?
[09:56] <Radon_3> ok, why is that I don't get an upgra option to 14.04 yet?
[09:56] <Radon_3> *upgrade option
[09:56] <owh> Molean: The step is to remove medibuntu from your sources.
[09:56] <cfhowlett> Radon_3 LTS to LTS - it'll display once point release comes out in July
[09:57] <Sohron> Molean, log in as an admin from time to time and ubuntu will present you a nice window with updateable packages
[09:57] <Sohron> if there are any
[09:57] <Radon_3> 4th of july, i like that
[09:57] <Radon_3> even better
[09:57] <Radon_3> it's like BOOOM!
[09:57] <Radon_3> for me
[09:57] <demoz> Radon_3 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TrustyUpgrades
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> Radon_3: is Precise working ok for you?
[09:58] <Radon_3> Radon_3: yeah, for the most part, why?
[09:58] <Molean> Ok disabled
[09:58] <Radon_3> ActionParsnip: yeah, for the most part, why?
[09:58] <Molean> owh disabled
[09:58] <n3urogod> hey peeps...I managed to setup a samba file share some time ago, which I would like to modify, however I can't find the actual config for it. As in, there is nothing configured in /etc/samba/smb.conf...going through the Files app and viewing the share properties shows that it isn't shared...and yet I can get to it from the network?
[09:58] <owh> Molean: Go back to the terminal and re-run the apt-get update
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> Radon_3: then why fix what isnt broken?
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> Radon_3: Precise is supported til April 2017 ...
[09:59] <n3urogod> If I run 'service smbd stop' then I lose access, so it must be part of the smbd service config...Any ideas of where else I could look?
[09:59] <Molean> owh done
[10:00] <owh> Molean: sudo apt-get -f install
[10:00] <Radon_3> ActionParsnip: I know what you mean, and i'm sorry for being a pain in the neck or lower parts of your bodies, but I have paranoia about the probability that I might have broken stuff along the way so far, 12.04 is the ultimate of human computing of our age, but it is me tht might have hurt it
[10:00] <Radon_3> cause iam a wannabe newbie, and new to ubuntu
[10:01] <Molean> owh done, what did that install?
[10:02] <owh> Molean: It finished installing whatever you last installed. What did it say. pastebin it.
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> Radon_3: but if Precise is working and supported fr ages, why upgrade?
[10:03] <owh> Molean: Also pastebin the result of this command : history
[10:03] <Yelu> owh, 12.04. Software Center (can be found in dash with "sources") sample => http://i.imgur.com/2nkdIFL.png
[10:04] <Molean> owh  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[10:04] <owh> Yelu: That's showing Software Centre, not sources.
[10:04] <Yelu> owh, ok
[10:04] <owh> Molean: Excellent. What about the results of the history command?
[10:05] <Molean> owh what about it?
[10:05]  * Yelu crawling back into his corner
[10:05]  * owh thanks Yelu for playing along and attempting to help.
[10:05] <mac_> hi
[10:05] <owh> Molean: Can you please put the results of the history command into pastebin.
[10:06] <Molean> owh sorry, just random irrelevant personal stuff, nothing pertinent
[10:07] <owh> Molean: Did you remove any system files or change any config files in that history?
[10:07] <mac_> how to get free space or remove downloaded package?
[10:07] <Molean> owh no, but it doesn't reflect anything I did in that command prompt
[10:07] <cfhowlett> mac_ sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get purge
[10:08] <mac_> but it will delete all installed application too??
[10:08] <owh> Molean: That's what I was hoping to see. Hang on.
[10:08] <cfhowlett> mac_ of course not.
[10:08] <mac_> ok let me try
[10:08] <owh> Molean: Type sudo -s
[10:08] <cfhowlett> mac_ to remove a specific package: sudo apt-get purge packagename
[10:09] <gp1> Hello. I need some advice on an issue since upgrading to 14.04. My computer username is the same as my work network username. However, my computer password is different to my work network password (because the work network frequently makes me change passwords). Since 14.04, I think there is some smart feature which automatically uses my computer password when I open my email client (thunderbird).
[10:09] <gp1> I think it must keep trying to authenticate because I then get locked out of my company network (for multiple wrong passwords). I made a new user account with a different username to my work username, and haven't had the issue. But I'd prefer to keep the old user name. I wonder if anyone knows what has changed in this release and if there is a way to disable this feature. Thanks a lot.
[10:09] <Molean> owh why root? What now?
[10:09] <owh> Molean: Run the history command again.
[10:10] <Molean> owh still not showing the activity from that command prompt
[10:10] <owh> Molean: Press ctrl-d
[10:11] <owh> Molean: (in the terminal)
[10:11] <Molean> owh down
[10:11] <Molean> owh done
[10:11] <owh> Molean: When you ran the instructions to remove stuff, where did you do that?
[10:12] <Molean> recovery command prompt owh
[10:12] <owh> Hmm
[10:12] <owh> Molean: Hang on.
[10:15] <owh> Molean: We're going to run the commands again to remove the ATI drivers. Don't jump ahead. One step at a time.
[10:15] <owh> sudo apt-get purge fglrx*
[10:15] <owh> Molean: sudo apt-get purge fglrx*
[10:16] <Molean> owh yeah I ran that command before in recovery prompt, want me to run it again?
[10:16] <owh> Molean: I do.
[10:17] <owh> If we reinstall ubuntu-desktop, will that do video card detection, or do we now need to do it manually?
[10:17] <Molean> owh it said zero installed so nothing removed
[10:18] <owh> Molean: Great. Please pastebin the content of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:21] <schnitzl> whats wrong with this: */1 * * * * /usr/bin/pkill -f touchegg ; /usr/bin/touchegg  ? i want to restart touchegg every 1 minute. touchegg is killed but not restarted.
[10:21] <schnitzl> crontab*
[10:22] <owh> schnitzl: I'd change the ; into &&
[10:22] <schnitzl> owh: so the command is just executed when 1 commmand succeeded...i will try this. but would be better the ; imo
[10:23] <Molean> owh its the vesa text
[10:23] <acsoka> hi guys. im using a CCC chart and need to update the ortho2AxisTitle and plot2Series values dynamically using javascript. can anyone tell me how to acess those values please?
[10:24] <schnitzl> owh: nope. not working. dafuuuqqqq...
[10:25] <owh> Molean: Hang on.
[10:29] <owh> Molean: dpkg -l *fglrx*
[10:29] <fausto> .xchat2/budus.so
[10:30] <Molean> owh says none in all catagories
[10:30] <owh> Molean: Excellent.
[10:30] <owh> Molean: sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-core
[10:33] <n3urogod> schnitzl, it probably is starting touchegg, however the shell is being killed when cron finishes running
[10:33] <Molean> owh "ink group gl_conf) doesn't exist. Removing from list of alternatives.
[10:33] <Molean> update-alternatives: warning: /etc/alternatives/gl_conf is dangling, it will be updated with best choice.
[10:33] <yossarianuk> to those who are having issues with 14.04 randomly renaming network cards
[10:33] <Molean> owh otherwise seems to have installed
[10:33] <n3urogod> try using /usr/bin/touchegg &
[10:33] <yossarianuk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/biosdevname/+bug/1284043
[10:35] <schnitzl> n3urogod: already tried that...not working. i have an idea.
[10:35] <schnitzl> haha. n3urogod owh ....i was trying to run touchegg which needs a xserver. well....
[10:35] <schnitzl> */1 * * * * export DISPLAY=:0 ; /usr/bin/touchegg & > /dev/null
[10:35] <n3urogod> schnitzl, ahh...lol
[10:36] <acsoka> can anyone tell me how to acess a ccc chart using javascript please? I'm trying: "this.chartDefinition.ortho2AxisTitle = "hello"; in the prefetch but no luck"
[10:36] <owh> schnitzl: Well that's not going to work ;-)
[10:36] <schnitzl> stupid me.
[10:36] <schnitzl> it worked with export display
[10:36] <owh> Excellent ;-)
[10:36] <schnitzl> sweet. learnt something today.
[10:36] <schnitzl> thx guys.
[10:36] <owh> acsoka: How is this is a ubuntu issue?
[10:37] <owh> Molean: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:37] <Molean> owh not sure if it did anything or not
[10:37] <owh> Molean: Reboot and tell us what you see.
[10:38] <Molean> cant reboot right now, in the middle of something
[10:38]  * owh needs to go and eat dinner.
[10:38] <Molean> k
[10:38] <Molean> maybe some other time then
[10:39] <owh> Molean: If it all worked as expected, your problem should now be fixed.
[10:39] <lucido> lpstat -a and the web interface cant see my printer but lsusb can and it is suppoerted by cups (samsung scx-4521), how to debug?
[10:39] <owh> Molean: If it didn't we have some more work to do.
[10:40] <Molean> owh hopefully I don't have to go through a complicated grub menu every time I log in, its hard to press the f2 key at just the right time
[10:40] <owh> Molean: No, if all works as normal, your machine should boot normally.
[10:42] <red45923> getting permissions error that a dir [Fail] Is Writable by PHP - i guess i need to chown, how do i find out the php user i need to set ?
[10:43] <Yelu> owh, this has been a professional support/coaching "lesson" (at least) for me. - Thank you and also thank you, Molean, for being patient with all of us.
[10:45] <Guest2413> please i have issues with apt-get on my ubuntu???
[10:45] <cfhowlett> !details|Guest2413
[10:45] <Guest2413> ok ubottu.. let me paste it...
[10:49] <Rory> Guest2413: Please paste the full output onto http://paste.ubuntu.com and share the URL in this channel
[10:49] <Guest2413> http://pastebin.com/embed_js.php?i=Ex18v2Ku
[10:49] <Guest2413> rory  i  just pasted it
[10:49] <Rory> Guest2413: You need to use sudo: "sudo apt-get update"
[10:50] <Rory> !sudo | Guest2413
[10:50] <Rory> Oh sorry Guest2413 I misread
[10:50] <Guest2413> i have done a sudo.. rory..
[10:51] <Rory> Guest2413: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys D1106511179518B2
[10:51] <trijntje> Guest2413: why do you have so many ppa's?
[10:51] <Guest2413> <trijntje>   i dont know it just appear...
[10:52] <Rory> Guest2413: http://askubuntu.com/questions/127326/how-to-fix-missing-gpg-keys
[10:52] <reisei> hi, all. I have a strange issue: I start X session in console, when I kill session all console stop working (or may be the keyboard stops working) How can I fix it?
[10:52] <trijntje> Guest2413: thats pretty unlikely, unless someone hacked your computer
[10:52] <red45923> fixed, the dir needed daemon as a user then it worked
[10:53] <Guest2413> no way....!!!!
[10:53] <Rory> Guest2413: They are all repositories you have added yourself
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[10:53] <reisei> red45923: what do you mean?
[10:53] <red45923> scroll up and you see my question
[10:54] <trijntje> Guest2413: probably not, I'd guess you added those repositorys yourself, and now one of them has a problem. So again, why did you add so many ppa's, that can really destabilise your system
[10:54] <Rory> Guest2413: Did the command I gave fix your problem?
[10:54] <reisei> oh
[10:55] <gry> "why did you add so many ppa's, that can really destabilise your system"
[10:55] <gartral> Where's the screensaver/lock timeout settings for 13.10? I've been searching for days
[10:55] <Guest2413> the output http://pastebin.com/embed_js.php?i=Y6xeSDd0
[10:55] <gry> surely they would be tested rgrds compatibility with eachother?
[10:55] <Rory> !ppa | gry
[10:55] <gartral> Woaw netsplit
[10:56] <gry> that's a bit entertaining that you don't support them
[10:56] <Rory> gry: They're software provided by anyone, you or me could set one up right now
[10:56] <gry> it's a lovely feature; mozilla has firefox addons which it not only fashions, but also reviews
[10:56] <Rory> gry: This isn't the place to have this discussion
[10:57] <gry> someone reviews a PPA before it is public in launchpad or anyone can add them in?
[10:57] <Rory> gry: Anyone can
[10:57] <gry> ok.. that's news to me
[10:57] <Rory> gry: That's the entire point of them, and it's why you shouldn't just blindly add them
[10:57] <mic22> hello
[10:57] <Rory> freenode/staff!?
[10:57] <trijntje> gry: just like anyone can put a .exe online and windows users can download and use them. A ppa has the advantage that the owner of the ppa can provide updates automatically
[10:58] <xubuntu> help
[10:59] <trijntje> !ask | y4ns
[10:59] <mic22> i been a long time ubuntu user sense 6.06.. and now use 14.04 but the future is making me worry what are your thoth about ubuntus future?
[11:02] <Guest2413> so what can i do it still given me the same errors...
[11:02] <y4ns> Ok, i have such difficult problem, in every distro i had problems with my sound card. Integrated Realtek ALC269, in alsa mixer "HDA Intel Mid", this is netbook card in Nokia Booklet 3G. My problem is i have such a bad quality sound i every single application, amarok, youtube videos, movie player etc. I have no idea how to fix it.
[11:03] <y4ns> Any idea?
[11:04] <trijntje> Guest2413: show the output plz
[11:04] <Guest2413> ok...
[11:05] <Guest2413> http://pastebin.com/embed_js.php?i=k4E327tC
[11:05] <y4ns> trijntje, momento...
[11:06] <geirha> Guest2413: you're missing the key for one of the third-party repositories/ppas
 what do i do???
[11:06] <y4ns> http://pho.to/5XsL0
[11:07] <y4ns> This is how its look like
[11:07] <y4ns> http://pho.to/5XsL0
[11:07] <y4ns> But sound quality is such a poor.
[11:07] <wasanzy> hello
[11:07] <geirha> Guest2413: Figure out which it is, and add it with apt-key. More importantly though, how did you add those third-party repositories? Sounds like you didn't follow the standard procedures
[11:07] <trijntje> Guest2413: you imported the wrong key
  what do i do ???
[11:08] <y4ns> Song step forward each 2 seconds, or you dont hear anything for a while a then you hear something only for a short time. :[
[11:09] <wasanzy> my ubuntu server is not connected to the internet, now I don't have any C compiler installed on it and am trying to install it now but there is problem:   http://paste.scsys.co.uk/368416
[11:09] <wasanzy> how do I solve this problem?
[11:11] <Guest2413> i did an apt- key list and this is what i have... http://pastebin.com/embed_js.php?i=JTKQYW4f
[11:12] <Deepfriedice> wasanzy, Easiest way would be to connect it to the internet. Failing that, you are going to need to figure out all the unmet dependencies of gcc (including their own dependencies and so on), and install them first.
[11:13] <y4ns> help?
[11:14] <wasanzy> my server is access via VPN, is there no way I can configure apt-get to go through another server to install packages on my server from the internet?
[11:15] <letstrythis> is there a macos emulation for ubuntu?
[11:15] <MagicBen> unless you apt them from the cdrom wich in this case well hunt down the depency from the cds, using dpkg you will have to install everything needed first
[11:16] <wasanzy> MagicBen: was that directed to me?
[11:17] <Deepfriedice> wasanzy, Probably. apt-cdrom is a good idea anyway.
[11:17] <MagicBen> yes wasanzy
[11:18] <y4ns> thanks for help...
[11:18] <trijntje> !patience | y4ns
[11:18] <MagicBen> without internet, apt from cdrom is the probably the best idea, well if you have physical access to the server and a reader on it for anyways
[11:19] <wasanzy> so in this case, I have to download the full ubuntu server image onto  DVD and insert it into the server and use apt-cdrom to install the needed packages? does the full server image come with all needed package?
[11:19] <MagicBen> the full DVD iso should come with all the needed packages yes
[11:20] <wasanzy> MagicBen: ok thank you. Can you point me to the full dvd iso? ubuntu server 12.04
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> !download
[11:25] <MagicBen> wanzy http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/
[11:25] <MagicBen> wow split
[11:26] <y4ns> bye bye
[11:27] <Zyrax> Anyone here that can help me to figure out how to do a script that will query a webpage and measure the loadtime... I haven't found anything that to that. The complete rendering time of a webpage including scripts...
[11:27] <wasanzy> which versions are the alternate versions?
[11:28] <Sohron> Zyrax: developer tools maybe have something for firefox
[11:28] <Deepfriedice> wasanzy, The alternate versions all have "alternate" in the name.
[11:28] <Sohron> it's not an ubuntu question Zyrax
[11:29] <Sohron> !ot | Zyrax
[11:29] <Sohron> damned :p
[11:29] <Zyrax> Sohron: Yes, there is, but I would like to script it...
[11:29] <Deepfriedice> Zyrax, That sounds like something you'd have to get from the browser, not Ubuntu.
[11:29] <wasanzy> Deepfriedice: yea and am asking, should I download that for my purpose?
[11:30] <Zyrax> Deepfriedice: Yes, I know, but since there seem to be a lot of knowledge her I tried to ask in #ubuntu anyway. ;)
[11:30] <Sohron> Zyrax: you can script firefox with javascript or what the hell
[11:31] <Deepfriedice> wasanzy, I'm afraid I don't actually know what packages are on each of the images. You might be best off just pulling the DVD.
[11:31] <Sohron> but it's not an ubuntu question Zyrax
[11:31] <wasanzy> my machine is x86_64 but I can find only AMD64 and i368
[11:32] <Zyrax> Sohron: Ok, sorry for being off topic then.
[11:32] <letstrythis> thats cause 64 is amd
[11:32] <cfhowlett> wasanzy x86_64 is the package you want
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> wasanzy: AMD64 ewill run on 64bit Intels too
[11:33] <letstrythis> x85_64 is inttel
[11:33] <Deepfriedice> wasanzy, "AMD64" and "x86_64" are the same thing.
[11:33] <letstrythis> correct
[11:33] <wasanzy> ok
[11:34] <wasanzy> the DVD is 1.6G? I want to be sure am downloading the correct thing
[11:34] <philinux> it's just a very old throwback to naming conventions
[11:35] <Deepfriedice> wasanzy, Yeah, that's it. Personally, I'd get the torrent, but either works.
[11:35] <philinux> wasanzy;~ although your machine is 64 bit are u actually running the 64 bit os?
[11:36] <wasanzy> philinux: yes Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS (GNU/Linux 3.2.0-29-generic x86_64
[11:36] <philinux> wasanzy;~ ok then you need the amd64 version
[11:36] <zmotok> dear all, anyone has an idea why on Ubuntu Quantal x64, the 'search foo.bar' line in /etc/resolv.conf is not honored when resolving the fqdn of a hostname (with `hostname -f` or `domainname`) ? thank you!
[11:36] <Armag3dd0n1> what's better, 14.04 or 12.04.4?
[11:37] <Armag3dd0n1> which is more stable?
[11:37] <cfhowlett> Armag3dd0n1 both are supported. both work.  choose for yourself.
[11:37] <letstrythis> 12.10
[11:37] <Armag3dd0n1> best for battery life?
[11:37] <cfhowlett> !eol|letstrythis
[11:37] <gac> zmotok: because you're addressing two different things, the "search" line only tells the DNS resolver what to do if you pass it an unqualified hostname
[11:37] <Deepfriedice> Armag3dd0n1, 14.04 is probably the better choice, but it's still quite new.
[11:37] <philinux> Armag3dd0n1;~ 14.04.1 comes out soon
[11:37] <letstrythis> it also depends on what  version your software supports and  gets supported
[11:38] <Ben64> Armag3dd0n1: 14.04 is newer, better support for hardware, and has 5 years of support left. will also have newer packages and be more focused on in the coming years
[11:38] <zmotok> gac: ok, then, where should the domain name be set?
[11:38] <Armag3dd0n1> 12.04.4 suppose to be more stable according to google :/
[11:38] <Deepfriedice> For battery life, I'd probably take 14.04. The newer kernel means it will probably have better support for power-saving features.
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> 12.04 is more stable and mature as it is older
[11:39] <letstrythis> uh most lts packs are good on hw support right
[11:39] <zmotok> gac: the exact same resolv.conf configuration works under Debian Squeeze (same release timeframe as Quantal)
[11:39] <gobbler> why is the libv8-dev package on 13.10 based on a v8 version from 2012?
[11:39] <Armag3dd0n1> ugh
[11:39] <Ben64> Armag3dd0n1: go for 14.04, you'll be happy
[11:39] <gac> zmotok: http://askubuntu.com/questions/158957/how-to-set-the-fully-qualified-domain-name-in-12-04
[11:39] <Armag3dd0n1> can i upgrade from 12 to 14?
[11:40] <Ben64> Armag3dd0n1: yes, but upgrades aren't always smooth
[11:40] <Deepfriedice> Armag3dd0n1, Yes, but it's not fun.
[11:40] <philinux> Armag3dd0n1;~ not until 14.04.1 comes out in july
[11:40] <Armag3dd0n1> oh god damn
[11:40] <letstrythis> Armag3dd0n1:  you dont need to choose really you can get both and switch between fir whats best etc
[11:40] <gac> i upgraded from 12.04 to 14.04 with virtually no problems, personally
[11:40] <gac> but that was on a HTPC so only has one specific use
[11:40] <Deepfriedice> Armag3dd0n1, What do you actually want to do?
[11:40] <gac> not a general purpose machine
[11:41] <Armag3dd0n1> browse the net and have best batterry lol
[11:41] <philinux> Armag3dd0n1;~ you'll be prompted in July when the point release come sout
[11:41] <Deepfriedice> 14.04
[11:41] <cfhowlett> gac my 10.04 to 12.04 upgrade was as smooth as a baby's bottom.
[11:42] <zmotok> gac: thanks, saw that earlier on, but it's not a good solution for deployable images; and as I said, I was surprised that the same setup didn't work between equivallent debian/ubuntu releases
[11:42] <gac> zmotok: even on debian, the resolv.conf file should only affect the behaviour of the DNS resolver
[11:42] <gac> are you sure you had no other differences?
[11:42] <zmotok> gac: yep, I'm sure
[11:43] <gac> odd
[11:43] <Deepfriedice> Armag3dd0n1, At this point, the pain of 12.04's age is probably worse than the pain of 14.04's newness.
[11:43] <zmotok> gac: will go try some different things, thanks for your time :)
[11:44] <Ben64> i agree with Deepfriedice. i'm on 12.04 only because i don't want to  have to deal with the upgrade and stuff breaking
[11:44]  * cfhowlett is awaiting until 14.04.1 to install 
[11:46] <[lutchy]> heheehe
[11:46] <[lutchy]> hehehe
[11:47] <basd82> hi all
[11:47] <basd82> i am prepairing a ubuntu mirror for out local release party in the NL
[11:48] <basd82> can some one tell if the archive.ubuntu.com contains all updates include the ones serverd by security.ubuntu.com
[11:48] <[lutchy]> basd82, You want a local store ?
[11:48] <basd82> I made local mirror with apt-mirror
[11:49] <[lutchy]> Uh huh ?
[11:49] <[lutchy]> What not just make your like store up2date ?
[11:49] <[lutchy]> s/like/local/
[11:50] <basd82> You dont understand
[11:50] <basd82> I made copy nl.archive using apt-mirror
[11:50] <bng> hi all, don't you know hot to change the ALT key to META key for moving and resizing windows in 14.04?
[11:50] <basd82> my question does nl.archive have same content as archive.ubuntu.com
[11:51] <basd82> i mean security.ubuntu.com
[11:51] <[lutchy]> I understand your question, but that question is too specific for me to answer
[11:51] <[lutchy]> but since you were keeping a mirror, I am not sure why not keep doing what you were doing
[11:52] <basd82> I want to know if also need to get coppy of security.ubuntu.com
[11:52] <Armag3dd0n1> going to upgrade now :)
[11:53] <philinux> Armag3dd0n1;~ make sure you got stuff backed up
[11:53] <[lutchy]> ok basd82
[11:53] <Armag3dd0n1> i know :p
[11:53] <philinux> good one
[11:53] <Armag3dd0n1> is it a good idea moving over from xp to ubuntu?
[11:53] <Armag3dd0n1> some of my family are still on xp :/
[11:54] <[lutchy]> basd82, I would ask in the mailing list
[11:54] <philinux> Armag3dd0n1;~ no security updates now although they did patch the browser
[11:54] <cfhowlett> Armag3dd0n1 ubuntu is supported.  xp isn't.  do the math.
[11:54] <Armag3dd0n1> :P
[11:54] <arcsky> requirements for ubuntu 14.04 lts server where can i find them?
[11:54] <philinux> Armag3dd0n1;~ try them with Lubuntu
[11:55] <philinux> or Xubuntu
[11:55]  * Yelu Armag3dd0n1 has vanished to install Ubuntu all over the place
[11:56] <philinux> I wish i could just hide join messages
[11:56] <sawsuh> you can
[11:56] <sawsuh> on xchat
[11:56] <philinux> sawsuh;~ join and part only
[11:57] <sawsuh> oh
[12:00] <centor_> How do i configure the httpd.conf folder to another hard drive?
[12:11] <ibuclaw> Hi - I've got two machines, and both are giving differing ps outputs
[12:11] <ibuclaw> on one:  ps -acx  ->  apache2
[12:12] <ibuclaw> on the other: ps -acx  ->  /usr/sbin/apach
[12:12] <ibuclaw> md5sums are identical: 00d151cefd4cc3f4586444e2b31503b6  /bin/ps
[12:13] <ibuclaw> so there's something environmental going on that I can't work out
[12:13] <Rory> ibuclaw: is the output of "which ps" the same on each machine?
[12:13] <ibuclaw> of course
[12:13] <geirha> it's ''type ps'' that matters.
[12:13] <Rory> ibuclaw: is /usr/sbin/apach a typo?
[12:14] <ibuclaw> Rory, no, it's truncated by ps
[12:14] <ibuclaw> to..... 15 characters
[12:14] <geirha> It's truncated in the process table, by linux
[12:15] <ibuclaw> geirha, ps is hashed (/bin/ps)
[12:15] <jessk> I have Saucy and 1G1 free on my SSD. Is this enough for do-release-upgrade to Trusty?
[12:15] <ibuclaw> geirha, and same linux kernel running on both (3.2.0-52-generic)
[12:16] <Rory> jessk: Any way you can free up some disk space first? Use something like bleachbit
[12:16] <Rory> jessk: I think it's enough, but you wouldn't want to run out of space partway through
[12:17] <jessk> Rory: It's a 16G0 SSD with 2 operating systems on. It will hard to free space.
[12:17] <compdoc> 16G? sheese
[12:18] <jessk> 16G0 would be fine except for that the fact that I have two OS
[12:18] <compdoc> you can find 60/64G ssds on sale quite often
[12:18] <juliet> hi
[12:18] <jessk> It's soldered to the mainboard.
[12:18] <geirha> ibuclaw: what if you use some saner ps options, like ps -ef ?
[12:19] <geirha> ibuclaw: though really, it's more about how the apache process gets started
[12:19] <Guest2413> please i want to install zealdocs on my computer..
[12:19] <Guest2413> when i do this  add-apt-repository ppa:jerzy-kozera/zeal-ppa
[12:20] <cfhowlett> !ppa|Guest2413
[12:20] <jessk> If I connect a SDCard is there some way to get the ubuntu update process to use the additional space?
[12:20] <ibuclaw> geirha, that's no good to me. :)
[12:20] <Guest2413> this is what it tell me ||||||||||   The program 'add-apt-repository' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[12:20] <Guest2413> apt-get install python-software-properties
[12:20] <Guest2413>  add-apt-repository ppa:jerzy-kozera/zeal-ppa
[12:20] <Rory> Guest2413: What is the output of the command "cat /etc/issue" ?
[12:21] <ibuclaw> ps is being invoked through SNMP and expects the output to be the basename
[12:21] <ibuclaw> geirha, as for the invocation - the init scripts are identical
[12:21] <ibuclaw> go figure!
[12:21] <Guest2413> Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS \n \l
[12:21] <philinux> Guest2413;~ install the software it's recommending
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[12:21] <Rory> Guest2413: Read the error message you get
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[12:22] <jessk> Guest2413: I am not sure why you need a PPA to update apt. What did you install?
[12:22] <geirha> ibuclaw: but possibly one has spawned child processes where the other hasn't..?
[12:22] <Rory> Guest2413: It tells you what to type
[12:22] <Rory> Guest2413: What was the error you got?
[12:22] <Guest2413>  <jessk> zeal docs
[12:22] <Rory> Guest2413: The program 'add-apt-repository' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing: apt-get install python-software-properties
[12:22] <Rory> Guest2413: That's what you told me. Why doesn't that work?
[12:22] <Guest2413> add-apt-repository ppa:jerzy-kozera/zeal-ppa     <Rory>
[12:23] <Rory> Guest2413: Read the error message you get, and run the command it tells you to run
[12:23] <yossarianuk> ifco
[12:23] <ibuclaw> geirha, thought of that - nope either
 please issues the command again....
[12:23] <Rory> Guest2413: sudo apt-get install python-software-properties
[12:23] <ibuclaw> apache packages differ - one is mpm-prefork and the other mpm-worker.
[12:24] <ibuclaw> switching did not help
[12:24] <Guest2413> root@ubilli-pc /v/l/apt# sudo apt-get install python-software-properties
[12:24] <Guest2413> Reading package lists... Done
[12:24] <Guest2413> Building dependency tree
[12:24] <Guest2413> Reading state information... Done
[12:24] <Guest2413> python-software-properties is already the newest version.
[12:24] <Guest2413> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[12:24] <unopaste> Guest2413 you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[12:24] <jesus_tracert> Hi guys, i am having trouble running a gnome2 (gtk2) in unity, its not displaying in the top right corner.
[12:24] <Rory> Guest2413: Now run: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jerzy-kozera/zeal-ppa
[12:25] <KGM70> Hi
[12:25] <geirha> ibuclaw: Don't know, then. Why does it matter anyway?
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> Guest2413: what is teh output of:  cat /etc/issue
[12:25] <Rory> ActionParsnip: 12.04
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> Guest2413: nm, looked up
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> :)
[12:25] <Guest2413> Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS \n \l
[12:26] <Rory> Guest2413: Now run: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jerzy-kozera/zeal-ppa
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> !info python-software-properties
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> Guest2413: doyou have the universe repo activated?
[12:26] <Guest2413> output     |||||  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jerzy-kozera/zeal-ppa
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[12:27] <Guest2413> i do not get...
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> Guest2413: do you have the universe repor enabled?
[12:27] <Rory> Guest2413: Now run: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jerzy-kozera/zeal-ppa
[12:27] <Rory> Guest2413: What output do you get?
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> Guest2413: what is the output of:   grep -i universe /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:27] <trijntje> ActionParsnip: he has so many ppa's enabled its a minor miracle his pc still boots
[12:27] <Guest2413> sudo: add-apt-repository: command not found
[12:27] <jessk> So now I have 1G3 space free. Is that enough for do-release-update or how do I get that program to use an SDCard?
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> trijntje: i bet, users love PPAs
[12:27] <Rory> jessk: 13G?
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> Guest2413: what is the output of:   grep -i universe /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:28] <trash__> salve galera..
[12:28] <jessk> Rory: 1G3
[12:28] <Guest2413> deb http://ng.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise universe
[12:28] <Guest2413> deb-src http://ng.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise universe
[12:28] <Guest2413> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy universe multiverse
[12:28] <Guest2413> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy universe multiverse
[12:28] <Guest2413> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy-updates universe multiverse
[12:28] <Guest2413> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy-updates universe multiverse
[12:28] <trash__> bom dia.. em que poemos compartilhar..
[12:28] <Rory> jessk: what is a G3?
[12:28] <unopaste> Guest2413 you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> Guest2413: why do you have saucy lines in sources.list, when you are using Precise?
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> trijntje: it gets even better
[12:29] <jessk> Rory: 1G3 is how you write 1.3G if you were trained in certain engineering domains
[12:29] <Guest2413> well i use 12.04
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> Guest2413: then why the saucy lines in sources.list
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> Guest2413: you have added those in and now you have a frankenstein OS
  i dont know...
[12:30] <Rory> Guest2413: I recommend backing up your home directory, doing a clean installation of 14.04, and copying across the backup
[12:30] <Armag3dd0n1> all done, any tweaks I should do?
[12:30] <Guest2413> but i have files in my 12.04
[12:30] <Armag3dd0n1> 14.04 with all latest updates :p
[12:30] <jesus_tracert> Its a gnome2 app and im trying to run it unity. the icon isnt showing up. ive installed all the indicators and cannot work it out.
[12:31] <cfhowlett> Guest2413 you might want to rebuild/replace your source list:  http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/index.php
[12:31] <jessk> jesus_tracert: you are missing an icon in the global menu bar?
[12:32] <cfhowlett> Guest2413 or, as Rory suggested; clean install.
[12:32] <jesus_tracert>  jessk yeah i think so. you mean the bar next to the clock
[12:32] <Guest2413> does that mean deleteing all my files...???
[12:32] <ibuclaw> geirha, snmp monitoring.  =)
[12:32] <jessk> jesus_tracert: OK, yes. What would be the system tray in windows. Ubuntu doesn't install libappindicator and many gnome apps need this to display an icon there. Have you checked your app needs that?
[12:32] <ActionParsnip> Guest2413: you will have made a backup if your files are important....right
[12:33] <jesus_tracert> jessk, thats installed already
[12:33] <jessk> backup schmackup, i printed screenshots of my information and posted them to myself
[12:34] <jessk> jesus_tracert: OK, that's *usually* the problem there but you have it already. I wonder if unity still uses a whitelist for app indicators?
[12:35] <Rory> Guest2413: I recommend backing up your home directory, doing a clean installation of 14.04, and copying across the backup
[12:35] <jesus_tracert> jessk, how do i do that
  me n that is hard..
[12:35] <jessk> Guest2413: When do you a backup, make sure you know where all your data is. Not all of it is in /home, or can be simply restored: it might need to be exported from the program in some format e.g. browser bookmarks
[12:36] <Guest2413> is there a safe backup on ubuntu...
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> Guest2413: plug in a USB drive, copy your data to it
[12:37] <jessk> jesus_tracert: I don't know, I was wondering to myself if it was an appmenu whitelist issue, but I don;t think unity has that anymore
[12:37] <KGM70> !backup | Guest2413
[12:37] <Armag3dd0n1> I'm just doing this, any other tweaks I should do????? http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/improve-power-usage-battery-life-in.html
[12:37] <Mega2> can any tell me why my server is flooding the network
[12:38] <jessk> jesus_tracert: You did relog/reboot after installing libappindicator?
[12:38] <jessk> Mega2: Can you tell us something about your server and what it is flooding?
[12:38] <jesus_tracert> jessk, yes i have. :)
[12:38] <Mega2> ubuntu 10.04
[12:39] <Armag3dd0n1> any other tweaks?
[12:39] <Rory> Mega2: How do you know it's flooding the network?
[12:39] <jessk> Mega2: How do you know it is flooding? What are you seeing it sending?
[12:39] <jesus_tracert> jessk, i get no errors running from the terminal, if i knew the error.
[12:39] <Mega2> i bought a firewall and it tells me
[12:40] <Rory> Mega2: Does it say what type of traffic it is?
[12:40] <Mega2> all the traffic is comming from my server
[12:40] <Rory> Mega2: You could install the "nethogs" package which breaks down bandwidth-use by process
[12:40] <jessk> Mega2: Telling you what exactly? "Flooding" is quite an ambigous term
[12:41] <centor_> How do i move the htdocs folder to another hard drive (using xampp)
[12:42] <yanpenn> how to color the terminal?
[12:42] <yanpenn> it's all black and white
[12:42] <Rory> yanpenn: What colour what you like it to be?
[12:42] <philinux> Armag3dd0n1;~ not used any tweaks. battery life fine here. acer 1410. Only thing i do is reduce the brightness a bit
[12:42] <Rory> yanpenn: edit->profile preferences
[12:43] <jessk_> grr machine just went down :-( i knows it's drivers but not which one!
[12:43] <jessk_> i *think* it's the trackpad driver. Ah well.
[12:43] <Rory> centor_: I told you earlier. Just move the folder over to the other hard drive as normal, and then update your apache configuration in /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default to point to the new location instead of the old one
[12:43] <Armag3dd0n1> what's your battery like?
[12:44] <jesus_tracert> might work if i hit it with a hammer
[12:44] <centor_> Rory should i configure the httpd.conf?
[12:44] <Mega2> this is what it tels me -2014/05/08 12:08:50 -- [DOS][Block][syn_flood, timeout=10][192.168.0.100:50435->122.228.244.220:53][TCP][HLen=20, TLen=1010, Flag=S, Seq=1951915090, Ack=0, Win=61402]
[12:45] <jessk_> Mega2: In my opinion, syn flood is benign and can be ignored however not my fault if you get hacked to death . :-)
[12:45] <yanpenn> Rory, I mean the colour the command line,too many line that hard to disguise
[12:45] <jessk_> Mega2: Looks to be an over-sensitive firewall, i would guess.
[12:46] <Mega2> no as my network was slowing down i get the firewall to find out why
[12:47] <Radon_3> guys, I just happened to read this and rule #2 in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicSecurity#The_most_basic_set_of_rules says that you shouldn't install antivirus on ubuntu, but I have so far installed comodo (removed it today, is it any good?), clamav (still have it + clamtk), and also bitdefender for unices, should I remove all of them?
[12:47] <Rory> centor_: Usually you would put sites in their own configuration files. Check if there are files in /etc/apache2/sites-available/
[12:47] <jessk_> Mega2: I've seen a lot of home firewalls mis-identify regular dns traffic as port 53 syn-flood, it's due to something with Udp and states that i don't quite understand. Do you have bitrorrent running btw?
[12:47] <Rory> yanpenn: I don't really understand what you mean by "colour the command line" to be honest... you can change the text and background colours
[12:47] <Rory> yanpenn: Many command-line applications like ls have coloured output as well
[12:48] <Mega2> no
[12:48] <letstrythis> comodo is good but gives feds access to their databases and remote services
[12:48] <Radon_3> letstrythis: even after i have removed it?
[12:48] <letstrythis> antiv and fw is essential but linux does have muc
[12:48] <Mega2> but that is not port 53
[12:49] <Rory> Mega2: Did you try the "nethogs" application?
[12:49] <letstrythis> Radon_3:  you shoul be ok, comodo in windows uninstalled completely
[12:50] <jessk_> Mega2: You can try also asking  #networking or perhaps #;inux.
[12:50] <letstrythis> id assume it did for linux
[12:50] <jesus_tracert> anyone else had trouble running gnome2 gtk2 apps in the 14.04 unity global menu bar.
[12:50] <Radon_3> letstrythis: do you happen to know if bitdeffender and clamav+clamtk have any fault points or not?
[12:50] <Mega2> i have now
[12:51] <letstrythis> i wish i knew more about linux as to know where to lok for reminants of software if any
[12:51] <Rory> Mega2: Did you identify a single process producing a lot of traffic?
[12:51] <red45923> on xubuntu 12.04, checked save session when i logged out, login and screen is a mess, want to kill session so i logged out unchecked save session, but session returned again, question is how to kill current session so reboot starts afresh?
[12:51] <jessk_> Mega2: I know that's port 53 but it's a common cause of that problem; when you have too many peers connected
[12:51] <Mega2> there is a lot of pid as 0
[12:51] <Mega2> with user root
[12:51] <Rory> red45923: They're saved in $HOME/.cache/sessions
[12:52] <letstrythis> clam isnt updated anymore afaik...spybot search and destroy is where clam originated, good stuff it was, not sure now...it was sold to others
[12:52] <Rory> Mega2: Yes but it arranges them by traffic, did you see one obvious application sending a lot of data?
[12:53] <red45923> thanks Rory, deleted them, reboot next, fingers crossed
[12:53] <letstrythis> bitdefender i've only used online scans, i don't kno it well
[12:53] <jesus_tracert> Hi
[12:53] <letstrythis> anyone know more about clamav?
[12:54] <cfhowlett> !clamav
[12:54] <cfhowlett> !info clamav
[12:54] <Mega2> i can let you have a look if you want
[12:55] <Mega2> but all the ones sent 0.200 but there is loads of them
[12:55] <jessk_> Mega2: You may also want to try ##networking
[12:55] <Mega2> from different ports
[12:56] <Mega2> where can i find some one to look for me
[12:57] <Rory> Mega2: What sort of traffic is it? What rates are you seeing flooding your network?
[12:57] <Rory> Mega2: What is your firewall actually saying?
[12:58] <Rory> Mega2: (Not your interpretation of it, what is the literal thing it is saying?)
[12:58] <red45923> cool that worked Rory, checking save session when logging out of xubuntu made things go a little crazy when i logged back in, back to normal now, my first try at sessions did not go well :)
[12:58] <Mega2> all of then are now 0.200 kb but there is loads of connections
[12:58] <Rory> red45923: Well you know where they're saved now
[12:59] <Rory> Mega2: What is your firewall actually saying that made you think there was an issue in the first place?
[13:00] <red45923> such an innocous looking checkbox on the logout screen, who knew what could happen, not me thats for sure :)
[13:00] <demoz> does anyone know how can i telnet from one of local ip addrese ? for example i have 2 ips x.x.x.1 and x.x.x.3 and i want to telnet from ip 3 to for example 178.x.x.x...
[13:01] <Mega2> in the first place i had no firewall but the server crash and i rebuild it and then every time i turn on the server the network go down
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> demoz: you will need to set a route to 178.0.0.0/8 down the interface with the .3 on
[13:09] <slovn> howhow to write PM in IRC?
[13:09] <demoz> ActionParsnip thank you :)
[13:10] <browndawg> Can I update an Ubuntu machine offline if I have just performed a system upgrade on another one? Maybe copy /var/cache/apt/archives to the other machine? Is that a good idea?
[13:10] <browndawg> I'm on a crappy connection, performing a full upgrade twice is a pain.
[13:11] <Mega2> does any know what /etc/sfewfesfs is and should it be running
[13:11] <Rory> slovn: /q Rory
[13:12] <Rory> Mega2: That's malware delivered to old, unpatched webservers
[13:12] <Mega2> how do i get rid of it
[13:12] <Rory> Mega2: Safest is a complete wipe and reinstall
[13:13] <browndawg> Both machines are running ubuntu 14.04. One I just performed a full update on. The other is a fresh install.
[13:13] <Rory> Mega2: It's part of the "BillGates" botnet which has a massive number of rootkit things
[13:13] <bgardner> browndawg: You're kind of on the wrong side of it since you already did it once, but you should look at one of the apt-proxy or squid solutions for deb caching.
[13:14] <philinux> browndawg;~ seem to remember something called keryx for that. not sure if its' still maintained though maybe someone else will chime in
[13:15] <philinux> browndawg;~ also check out aptoncd
[13:15] <philinux> http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/
[13:15] <DammitJim> can someone help me with: Err http://security.ubuntu.com precise-security/multiverse Sources
[13:15] <DammitJim>   404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.200 80]
[13:16] <DammitJim> I get that when I do an apt-get update
[13:17] <Rory> DammitJim: Can you please run these commands and put the output on http://paste.ubuntu.com - cat /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* ; sudo apt-get update
[13:18] <jakobbg> is there a page listing known gotchas upgrading from 12.04 lts -> 14.04 lts?
[13:19] <Rory> jakobbg: There shouldn't be any "gotchas"
[13:19] <Pici> jakobbg: likely not, as the upgrade path is not open until 14.04.1 is released.
[13:19] <Rory> jakobbg: Generally as long as you stick to using packages from the official repositories, your upgrade should be smooth
[13:20] <TJ-> jakobbg: They are called "Release Notes" and will be at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes
[13:20] <DammitJim> Thanks Rory , here we go
[13:21] <sobczyk__> hi, after upgrade from saucy to trusty my static network interfaces fail to start, how to diagnose the problem?
[13:21] <jakobbg> great. i just wanted to "read up" and track issues before 14.04.1 is relased. my sources.list only contains ubuntu-stuff. but i have installed oracle java, and rely heavily on ldap, java, tomcat and confluence to work on top of that.
[13:21] <DammitJim> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7415992/
[13:22] <DammitJim> something is odd about that command, Rory
[13:22] <Barrytheboy> Hi I am a complete novice with Ubuntu and terminal but I've recently upgraded to 14.04 and I'm having problem with what I think is my graphics card drivers, I change them as my dual display was not working correctly so I tried to put the graphics back to previous version where it worked fine but then when I restarted PC I could not see anything but a apple logo? I was able to use terminal and used sudo apt-get instal
[13:22] <Barrytheboy> l nvidia current to get back into the OS but since windows freeze when I minimise them causing the computer to freeze also my second display is still all wrong?
[13:23] <KGM70> sobczyk__, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[13:24] <sobczyk__> KGM70: it just returns status 1
[13:25] <Barrytheboy> ?
[13:26] <pdo_fn14> Uhh, using HUD and Unity become buggy now.
[13:26] <KGM70> sobczyk__, try sudo dhclient eth0 for ethernet or sudo dhclient wlan0 for wifi
[13:26] <Barrytheboy> has anyone come across my problem before?
[13:26] <ubuntuser13> barrytheboy: on boot menu ,edit ubuntu os line and remove quiet-splash  press f10 to boot
[13:27] <Barrytheboy> @ubuntuser13 Please could to give me step by steps i'm not very good
[13:27] <Barrytheboy> for example is the boot menu like bios
[13:27] <cyberalex4life> hello
[13:28] <sobczyk__> KGM70: they're static interfaces, it's a server, thus no dhcp
[13:28] <sobczyk__> I can set the address and routes using 'ip' tool
[13:28] <cyberalex4life> I don't know how to install correctly programs in /opt : meaning that if I own them to me they work, but otherwise they don't
[13:29] <cyberalex4life> is there something that I have to do to  make them run even if they are owned by root
[13:29] <cyberalex4life> ?
[13:29] <ubuntuser13> barrytheboy: reboot your pc and on boot menu in which you see ubuntu os  understand or not bios is not boot menu.
[13:30] <pdo_fn14> Like when rhythmbox playing music, just type "info" when window rhythmbox and HUD are active nothing to do.
[13:30] <KGM70> sobczyk__, it should still work, unless your  /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base isn't setup
[13:30] <ubuntuser13> i will  instruct you step by step.
[13:31] <Barrytheboy> thanks
[13:31] <ubuntuser13> barrytheboy: are you using dual boot like ubuntu and windows
[13:31] <Barrytheboy> yes
[13:31] <KGM70> sobczyk__, /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base overwrites /etc/resolv.conf despite the warning in the base file
[13:32] <hkraal_> So apache2 won't run as root under 14.04 (I'm aware of the risks) without specifing "-DBIG_SECURITY_HOLE" in the CFLAGS parameter during compile. I've tried the steps on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpdatingADeb doing "export CFLAGS='-DBIG_SECURITY_HOLE'" before I got started but it's being ignored... why?
[13:32] <module000> was 'suspend_hybrid' removed from the pm-utils in 14.04? it's not a valid value to set in $METHOD anymore. anyone know why? (google almost does, but not quite)
[13:32] <Barrytheboy> @ubuntuser13 yes
[13:33] <eisenknurren> blub
[13:33] <ubuntuser13> so it's simple ,now boot menu is from which you boot either ubuntu or windows.so on ubuntu boot line press e to edit
[13:34] <smit> I want to install vlc player on my ubuntu can some one tell me how to do it ?
[13:35] <ubuntuser13> smit: you can install it from ubuntu software center
[13:35] <DammitJim> Rory, here it is with sudo apt-get update
[13:35] <DammitJim> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7416059/
[13:35] <Player> smit: press ctrl+alt+t, type sudo apt-get install vlc
[13:35] <pdo_fn14> smit: or sudo apt-get install vlc
[13:35] <prepangolin> Which irc channel consult with Unity?
[13:35] <Radon_3> folks, i can't login to ubuntu wiki using my ubuntu one account
[13:36] <smit> pdo_fn14, Thanks :)
[13:36] <ubuntuser13> barrytheboy: ?
[13:36] <Barrytheboy> @ubuntuser13 reboot my computer I think if I hold esc is opens which os I want to open then I choose boot menu edit and then type quiet-splash
[13:36] <Radon_3> should I go to another channel or this is the place?
[13:36] <aaa801> So, just setup a mail server etc on a box, added the spf record for google, any more i need to add so my mails don't get spammed ?, its going to be used for forum management (lost pws, reg emails etc)
[13:36] <prepangolin> where is my question going?
[13:36] <Rory> DammitJim: Remove the line "deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu precise-security multiverse
[13:36] <prepangolin> anyone help?
[13:36] <Radon_3> sorry, problem solved
[13:37] <Radon_3> had to wait only, for a few minutes
[13:37] <Rory> prepangolin: Just ask your question in here and wait to see if someone can help you
[13:37] <Radon_3> ubuntu wiki is not editable???
[13:38] <ubuntuser13> barrytheboy: edit ubuntu os  line in boot  menu .
[13:38] <Radon_3> by public?
[13:38] <Radon_3> I have found a tiny error in it
[13:38] <prepangolin> Rory I want to know which irc channel consult with Unity project?
[13:38] <Rory> prepangolin: If you have a support question just ask it here
[13:38] <Barrytheboy> @ubuntuser sorry I've no idea what that is or what it looks like
[13:39] <prepangolin> Okay
[13:39] <Rory> !ot | prepangolin
[13:39] <prepangolin> I want to know the some problems related with unity-2d.
[13:40] <Rory> OK, describe your problems
[13:40] <Rory> !details
[13:40] <prepangolin> Unity-2d dropped as for Ubuntu12.10 you know.
[13:40] <tillbaks> is rc.local executed before autofs is started?
[13:42] <prepangolin> Rory: I want to know how to backport this feature to 12.04. Have you idea?
[13:42] <Rory> prepangolin: 12.04 does have unity-2d
[13:43] <prepangolin> yeah.
[13:43] <prepangolin> unity-2d dropped in 12.10.
[13:43] <Rory> yes
[13:43] <prepangolin> Do you know the llvmpipe.
[13:44] <cfhowlett> prepangolin the fact that it was dropped suggests that backporting it is unlikely to ahppen
[13:44] <Armag3dd0n1> how can i make tlp change to battery mode when not on ac?
[13:44] <Rory> prepangolin: Does your graphics card not support Unity?
[13:45] <prepangolin> In Vmware. It absolutely does.
[13:45] <prepangolin> Rory: No, it's my fault
[13:46] <Vinnyceptr> In the hope off topic is allowed here...
[13:46] <Rory> !ot | Vinnyceptr
[13:46] <Vinnyceptr> :)
[13:46] <Armag3dd0n1> anyone?
[13:46] <prepangolin> Rory: on Vmware 12.10 It supports
[13:46] <Rory> prepangolin: What actual problem are you having?
[13:47] <DammitJim> thanks Rory , what is that entry for? Why don't I need it?
[13:47] <DammitJim> I want this server to be rock solid. It only has 1 purpose and that is to do health monitoring of DB2 (I'm using IBMs software)
[13:47] <prepangolin> Rory: I want to consult with the Unity Developers about this problem.
[13:48] <cfhowlett> !contribute|prepangolin
[13:48] <DammitJim> so, I don't want to be updating to stuff that isn't supported or that I don't need because it's bleeding edge... I mean, DB2 is far from bleeding edge ;)
[13:49] <prepangolin> On there how can I? I dont know my way at there.
[13:50] <Pici> prepangolin: what exactly do you hope to accomplish with your chat with the developers? remember that it was dropped two years ago.
[13:50] <kamal_> Was anyone able to configure lightdm to use libpam-poldi? I tried adding it to /etc/pam.d/ligthdm (the exact same line I used in /etc/pam.d/sudo which works just fine) but it just ignores it and skips to the next rule (it's set to "sufficient" not "required")
[13:50] <prepangolin> Pici: I know.
[13:52] <mustmodify> Is there a command that will allow me to watch a directory to see which files change?
[13:52] <mustmodify> like watch_dir_for_changes .
[13:52] <SASDOE> hey all, can I set ssh-PAM to require two step verification only if the users logs in via password, and not if using keys. Is this possible?
[13:52] <mustmodify> and then it would just list files as they change
[13:52] <prepangolin> Pici: I want to know how to backport 12.10's feature to 12.04 by myself. But I dont know exactly what do i do.
[13:53] <prepangolin> So I want ask my question directly.
[13:53] <Rory> prepangolin: You should learn programming, learn packaging, learn systems administration
[13:53] <cfhowlett> prepangolin https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu   no shortage of options to contribute
[13:53] <prepangolin> I already know about that. I'm 6 year old linux developer.
[13:54] <prepangolin> Exaclty, I want to know Unity-2d -> Unity migration.
[13:55] <Rory> mustmodify: you could just do "watch ls /path/to/directory"
[13:56] <prepangolin> Rory: chfowlett: Will u do me a favor?
[13:56] <prepangolin> cfhowlett: Help me. Teach me.
[13:57] <mustmodify> Rory: OK I'll try that thanks.
[13:57] <cfhowlett> prepangolin "6 year linux developer" ...   right?
[13:57] <prepangolin> Yeah.
[13:58] <cfhowlett> prepangolin http://www.linuxine.com/linuxbooks
[13:58] <prepangolin> cfhowlett: But I don't know about ubuntu so much but about rpm distros.
[13:58] <cfhowlett> prepangolin best I can do.
[13:58] <prepangolin> cfhowlett: Really? Good. How can?
[13:59] <dave20> "6 year linux developer" where? in Red Hat?
[13:59] <cfhowlett> prepangolin again: go to the link I sent to contribute.  choose something you can contribute to.  join the project.  keep ears/eyes open.
[13:59] <prepangolin> No, Do you know Hongqi Linux?
[14:00] <dave20> !contribute | prepangolin
[14:00] <cfhowlett> prepangolin https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2ibhkveoz3mu742/AAB6Wg40mgv_ijhFrMlcE4yla
[14:01] <dave20> oh RPM just confused me,
[14:01] <cfhowlett> prepangolin no links found for hongqi linux.  China project???
[14:02] <prepangolin> Yeah hongqi linux is chinese
[14:02] <dave20> and it uses RPM?
[14:02] <cfhowlett> prepangolin I think I've got something for you: ubuntukylin
[14:03] <cfhowlett> !ubuntukylin
[14:03] <cfhowlett> prepangolin note: this is an official canonical supported distro.  They'd love your input.
[14:03] <prepangolin> Thanks for kindness.
[14:03] <cfhowlett> prepangolin are you in China?
[14:03] <prepangolin> Yeah, I'm chinese.
[14:04] <cfhowlett> prepangolin I'm in Beijing: beijing linux user group.  Probably a linux group near you if you're in a tier 1 or 2 city.
[14:05] <prepangolin> cfhowlett: are you chinese too?
[14:05] <cfhowlett> prepangolin laowai.  sorry.  don't even speak chinese.
[14:05] <codechef> Hi everyone @ ubuntu
[14:06] <prepangolin> cfhowlett: How can I enjoy ton beijing linux user group?
[14:06] <cfhowlett> prepangolin go to PM ...
[14:08] <prepangolin> cfhowlett: are you available?
[14:08] <cfhowlett> prepangolin  http://beijinglug.org/
[14:08] <codechef> I would like to know if anyone here can help me with a boot up issue Im having with ubuntu 12 i beleive, with KDE and a new monitor (*without access to my old monitor) -- the resolution set on my KDE was for 2 monitors and at something like 1280x1362 -- anyhow my new monitor cannot display this resolution and what im encountering is upon boot up i get a blank screen with a box floating around my monitor saying cannot display, ive
[14:08] <codechef> tried ctrl+alt+f# to drop to cmd line but i think the reso there is also too high because nothing changes and I cannot access cmd line to even make changes. So as it sits im on the computer in question with a LiveUSB of GNOME3 and I am wondering if anyone can help me through resetting the config for my KDE
[14:09] <red45923> using xubuntu 12.04, resizing windows by dragging the edge, it works but you got to be so precise, is there a setting to make the hotspot larger?
[14:10] <dave20> !xubuntu | red45923
[14:10] <Player> Hi, I have a VPS running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS with vncserver on it, whenever I start it up things seem to be fine and dandy.  I get a few things running, do updates, and whatnot then leave it.  For example I left it last night, when I try to log in this morning it gives me the message "Too many security failures!"  I logged onto the server with PuTTY and looked in ~/.vnc/, opened the log with mono and I see my connection being listed as 0.0.0.0:s
[14:10] <Player> omeobscureport, then sometime around the middle of the night there was 0.0.0.0:anotherobscureport trying to log in, but failing to do so. This has been an issue for about two weeks now..  Anyone have any ideas?
[14:10] <codechef> !Ubuntu
[14:10] <whoever> red45923: are you saying that t drag the window at it's corner you have to be right on top of it , and you would prefer to just be in the general area to start dragging ?
[14:10] <red45923> ok dave20  but exactly the same happens in ubuntu so the question is still valid here
[14:11] <Shtl> Hello all i have 8 GB usb stick, but unable to format it, every time it shows write protected can any one help me to fix it plz?
[14:11] <red45923> whoever, you know how you resize a window with the mouse
[14:11] <dave20> red45923, sorry to say, but Xubuntu and Ubuntu don't use the same Window Manager
[14:11] <red45923> you go to the edge and get that little arrow icon
[14:11] <robjloranger> Shtl: is there a little switch on it? that 'locks' the drive
[14:11] <red45923> press and drag to resize the window
[14:12] <red45923> using ubuntu the cursor has to be so precise on an edge
[14:12] <whoever> red45923: is there a specific reason why you would want to do this?
[14:12] <robjloranger> red45923: it's not that precise
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> dave20: not by default, but you can run xfwin4 instead of compiz if you desire
[14:12] <whoever> red45923: ie: accessability
[14:12] <SASDOE> Does no one know how to implement a conditional `required` in pam-ssh based on method of authentication?
[14:13] <red45923> whoever, because i use it all the time to resize windows
[14:13] <red45923> whoever, my machine it seems to be a hotspot that is way smaller than on mswindows
[14:14] <red45923> so i expect some place there is a setting to make the hotspot larger, and that is what i am asking
[14:14] <robjloranger> red45923: there is no setting as i am aware, it would be coded in. you could try other window managers?
[14:14] <Armag3dd0n1> can i idle here?
[14:15] <whoever> red45923: yes, to drag the corner in linux you have to be right ontop of the lower corner , and ms windows you can be a little behind that
[14:16] <red45923> yes whoever, there is a big difference between the tolderance on windows and what i have used on ubuntu/xubuntu, seems to be about 1pixel tloerance on ubuntu which makes it much more difficult
[14:16] <Shtl> robjloranger: no switch
[14:16] <robjloranger> SASDOE: have you read the sshd manpage?
[14:17] <xiaoluopc> I was a rookie, I want to learn C, may I ask what the compiler
[14:17] <wayne_wang> hello? anybody see me here ?
[14:17] <whoever> red45923: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1482247
[14:17] <robjloranger> yes wayne_wang
[14:17] <dave20> !gcc | xiaoluopc
[14:17] <wayne_wang> thanks ,:)
[14:18] <ubuntuser13> wayne_wang: yes
[14:18] <wiak> does anyone of you know how i can get su -c to run in a sequence not all at the same time?
[14:18] <whoever> red45923: just use a thicker window boarder seems to be your only option
[14:18] <wiak> searching google is kinda pointless for su -c lol
[14:18] <wiak> :P
[14:18] <red45923> whoever, yep that link is the same thing, will have a read of it, thx
[14:18] <SASDOE> robjloranger: can't seem to find  anything relevant. Would I not set this in the PAM configuration rather than sshd's?
[14:19] <xiaoluopc> Thank you
[14:19] <robjloranger> Shtl: try this command, but replace /dev/sdb with your usb device.. "sudo hdparm -r0 /dev/sdb" it should remove the write protection
[14:19] <robjloranger> SASDOE: there is a specific setting in the config for sshd
[14:20] <robjloranger> SASDOE: /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[14:21] <robjloranger> SASDOE: change UsePAM to yes
[14:21] <robjloranger> SASDOE: then you must be root to ssh
[14:21] <robjloranger> SASDOE: and will be auithenticated via PAM
[14:21] <arnis> hi. Any ideas how to make trusty's vboxwebsrv service to listen to ipv4 ? It looks like its only working ipv6.
[14:22] <whoever> red45923: just curiouse what do you mainly use or do in linux
[14:22] <whoever> red45923: i may have other ideas
[14:22] <SASDOE> I have set UsePAM to yes but I need to be granted instant access if logging in via keys, and use two-step if using password
[14:22] <whoever> on how to resize
[14:22] <Shtl> robjloranger: http://paste.debian.net/98248/
[14:22] <cfhowlett> wayne_wang ask your ubuntu questions
[14:23] <robjloranger> Shtl: and does it format now?
[14:24] <Shtl> robjloranger: let me check
[14:24] <whoever> red45923: also look at(the last post on page may have some options for you )http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=946214
[14:25] <robjloranger> SASDOE: check here http://www.howtogeek.com/121650/how-to-secure-ssh-with-google-authenticators-two-factor-authentication/
[14:25] <robjloranger> SASDOE: for two step anyway :)
[14:26] <robjloranger> SASDOE: if PAM is used with sshd, you will have to be root or authenticate as root to access. no way around it
[14:26] <wayne_wang> :)
[14:27] <SASDOE> robjloranger: what no way? I've allready setup pam to use two-step auth and never needed to login as root
[14:28] <robjloranger> SASDOE: no but using pam for ssh you do
[14:29] <SASDOE> *to login in via ssh to a remote server
[14:29] <SASDOE> And still no root needed
[14:29] <robjloranger> SASDOE: oh no, sorry. it's morning :) just to run sshd. my bad, i appolagize for the confusion
[14:30] <SASDOE> Aaaah Ok sorry
[14:31] <Player> Hi, I have a VPS running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS with vncserver on it.  When I start it up things are fine, I do updates and run a couple of programs and leave it.  I left it last night around midnight, when I try to log in this morning it gives me the message "Too many security failures!"  I logged onto the server with PuTTY and opened the log in ~/.vnc/ with mono and I see my connection being listed as 0.0.0.0:obscureport, then a few hours later,
[14:31] <Player> 0.0.0.0:anotherobscureport is logged attempting to log in, but failing to do so.  This has been an issue for about two weeks now, I'm not sure if this other IP that's failing authentication is a malicious attack attempt or what, but my password's so cryptic it would take a bruteforcer millions of years to get it.  Anyone have any ideas?
[14:32] <Player> Sorry, I posted my issue about 20 minutes ago and no response.  Is this the wrong channel?
[14:32] <cfhowlett> Player right channel but please... set up a pasty rather than this wall of text.
[14:32] <red45923> thanks whoever, i am trying what Bimps posted here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10351090#post10351090 and editing the xml from a 1pixel tolderance to a 3pixel tolderance, rebooting now
[14:32] <Shtl> robjloranger: no its still not formatting
[14:33] <Player> cfhowlett, Sorry!
[14:33] <Hanumaan> when I try to add repository it does not do anything with add-apt-repository where could be the problem ?
[14:33] <cfhowlett> Player no apology necessary.  :)
[14:33] <robjloranger> Shtl, SASDOE: sorry i have to head to work. hopefuly someone can help you get things going here :)
[14:34] <drwahl> i'm trying to get steam working on 14.04. fresh install. after 'apt-get install steam', i run the launcher, which downloads updates. after the updates, i get the error "missing 32-bit libraries: libc.so.6". any ideas how to resolve this?
[14:35] <tonyt> drwahl just download the steam.deb file
[14:35] <drwahl> tonyt: tried that route as well. same error
[14:35] <tonyt> wierd
[14:36] <drwahl> seems like the 32-bit libc isn't isntalled or being found by the launcher
[14:36] <tonyt> what ever you are doing its not installing the dependecies
[14:36] <tonyt> try installing through the software center ?
[14:36] <drwahl> nah, through apt-get
[14:37] <tonyt> try software center
[14:37] <drwahl> i guess i could try aptitude/software center
[14:38] <Xiol> drwahl: try installing glibc:i386
[14:38] <Xiol> drwahl: apt-get install glibc:i386
[14:38] <drwahl> Xiol: package not found
[14:38] <drwahl> i already did the apt-get add-arch to add i386 as well
[14:39] <Xiol> drwahl: hmm, it's something like that. you used to be able to just install ia32-libs and it'd pull everything in. i had to do this on my 14.04 box when installing steam too, but can't remember wha steps i took (and I'm currently on RHEL boxes, so can't check)
[14:39] <xiaoluopc> Ha ha. I want to do hackers ha ha
[14:39] <drwahl> ya, ia32-libs is no longer available
[14:39] <drwahl> following debian's upstream model for the 32 bit stuff
[14:40] <Xiol> ah, the package might be libc-bin, not glibc
[14:40] <red45923> well that change made using the corners to resize windows easier so i am happy with that :)
[14:41] <whoever> red45923: are you sure you don't want to try 5 or 8 px on inside the window
[14:41] <drwahl> how odd... steam won't install from software center. says it's not in my repos
[14:41] <drwahl> apt-get install disagrees though
[14:42] <ActionParsnip> !info steam-installer
[14:42] <ActionParsnip> !find steam
[14:42] <ActionParsnip> !info steam
[14:42] <ActionParsnip> drwahl: do you have the multiverse repo enabled?
[14:43] <drwahl> i do
[14:43] <red45923> whoever, you mean doing what Bimps wrote but using 8px instead of 3px?
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> drwahl: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install steam
[14:43] <drwahl> ActionParsnip: apt-get install steam works, fwiw
[14:43] <drwahl> well, it finds it
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> drwahl: so, where is the problem?
[14:43] <drwahl> i'm trying to get steam working on 14.04. fresh install. after 'apt-get install steam', i run the launcher, which downloads updates. after the updates, i get the error "missing 32-bit libraries: libc.so.6". any ideas how to resolve this?
[14:43] <drwahl> ^^
[14:43] <drwahl> it was suggested i try through the software center
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> drwahl: http://askubuntu.com/questions/387628/you-are-missing-the-following-32-bit-libraries-and-steam-may-not-run-libc-so
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> drwahl: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=steam+missing+32-bit+libraries%3A+libc.so.6
[14:45] <whoever> red45923: yes or even 5 ,3 may be too little
[14:45] <tonyt> when ever i messed with steam ive always used the software center. it will install what ever dependnecies needed for steam
[14:45] <drwahl> ai32-libs isn't available, so that link seems to be out of date
[14:45] <raub> If you have network manager running and setup a static ip using ifconfig, how long until network manager decides to ignore and wipe that?
[14:45] <ActionParsnip> drwahl: addthe architectur and you can install libc in 32bit
[14:46] <drwahl> yup, i've already done the --add-arch stuff
[14:46] <drwahl> apt sto;; cam
[14:46] <drwahl> oops
[14:46] <drwahl> apt-still can't find ia32-libs with i386 arch
[14:47] <ActionParsnip> drwahl: addthe architectur and you can install libc in 32bit    nothing to do with ia32-libs
[14:47] <ActionParsnip> drwahl: read
[14:47] <drwahl> the one command that does work is "apt-get install libc-bin:i386", but that is trying to remove the system libc, which will break things horribly
[14:48] <ActionParsnip> drwahl: try in #ubuntu-steam
[14:48] <drwahl> will check there. thanks
[14:48] <red45923> whoever, 3px is a lot better than 1px i can tell you, getting the cursor on 1px required a required a lot of trial and error :) will give 3px a go for now but yes 8px seems a more sensible number tbh dunno why it was 1px as a default value but there you go
[14:50] <nezZario> Eh, c'mon guys
[14:50] <nezZario> What's the deal with grub?  Every once and a while it doesn't 'timeout' at the boot prompt
[14:50] <nezZario> I've never had another *nix do this to me
[14:51] <compdoc> nezZario, never seen that happen
[14:51] <nezZario> I have to go find a keyboard, plug it up, and press 'enter'
[14:51] <nezZario> It's really annoying since it's meant to be a headless box :)
[14:51] <compdoc> sounds like a hardware problem
[14:51] <nezZario> How so?  It boots into grub fine, but sometimes it just doesn't show the countdown, and sits there waiting for input
[14:52] <compdoc> I only use ubuntu on headless servers using all kinds of different brands of hardware. no issues like that
[14:53] <nezZario> Well, it's not the 'ubuntu server' stuff
[14:53] <dupingping> hi everybody.
[14:53] <nezZario> It's the normal desktop version
[14:53] <dupingping> how to create stunserver and client in ubuntu?
[14:53] <nezZario> i stripped out all the xserver stuff by hand (it originally was a desktop)
[14:53] <compdoc> theres not that much idfference
[14:53] <nezZario> Yeah I have zero clue on the difference
[14:54] <nezZario> I usually use debian but since it's a more for-play at home machine, I'm trying ubuntu :)
[14:55] <nezZario> Well a secondary issue is that I guess for some reason if I have a USB drive plugged in, it hangs at boot too, .. I'm guessing there is some old bootable stuff hanging around, anyone know how to clear that?
[14:56] <mara0> I have a text with "\u00a9" in it. How can I convert that character to "©" on the ubuntu command line?
[14:57] <whoever> red45923: ok, i assume you bookmarked the page :-)
[14:58] <aditya_> which is the best ide for web development??
[14:59] <aditya_> hi can anyone pls tell me which is the best ide for web development??
[14:59] <nezZario> vim
[14:59] <mara0> mara0: it's surrounded by other text "blah blah\u00a9author" how can my bash script switch out that with ©?
[15:00] <mara0> (in the general case for other backslashed chars too)
[15:00] <jsstrn> why not use sublime text?
[15:00] <aditya_> @nezzario is it gvim???
[15:01] <nezZario> open up xterm, type 'vim', and pound away ;)
[15:01] <aditya_> what is xterm?? is it termonal??
[15:02] <philinux> yep
[15:02] <Guest38878> I have a SD card that gparted only finds one partition with 1GB. It should be 8GB total. Any ideas on how to get back the 7GB tht is missing (dont mind if the card i wiped)
[15:02] <nezZario> Guest38878: you don't see a 'FREE SPACE' segment?
[15:02] <philinux> Guest38878;~ use the disks utility
[15:02] <compdoc> Guest38878, gparted doesnt show 7GB of free sapce?
[15:03] <Guest63354> is there a cam app i can use for skype or something?
[15:03] <nezZario> Guest38878: People have been known to counterfeit SD cards and such, ... Are you sure it's 8GB?
[15:03] <Guest38878> nezZario, Nope. I also did a new partition table... that didn't work eather.. The card has hold a raspbmc installation and the strange thing is that if i mount it in my raspberry pi it boots up from the mising partition
[15:04] <dupingping> how to create stunserver and client in ubuntu?
[15:04] <Guest38878> it's only gparted that cant find the partition that holds the data
[15:04] <nezZario> Guest38878: I would either try to dd it and wipe it (or the first megabyte or so) or try a different utility
[15:04] <Guest38878> nezZario, It states 8GB on the SDcard so I'm pretty shure
[15:05] <nezZario> Well if your rpi says its 8GB then it's probably 8GB
[15:05] <Guest38878> nezZario, any tips on what utiliy to use?
[15:05] <Guest38878> nezZario, or how to whipe it compleatly?
[15:05] <Camellia18>  You can find funny videos here. http://j.mp/1gAh6Jy
[15:05] <bigred15> Guest63354: What do you mean exactly? Skype has cam functionality.
[15:05] <nezZario> Someone suggested 'disk utility' earlier, I'm guessing the gnome one?
[15:05] <nezZario> I personally would try opening up xterm and using 'fdisk'
[15:06] <nezZario> Do you know which device it is?
[15:06] <nezZario> i.e. /dev/sdX
[15:06] <philinux> Guest38878;~ open dash type indisk
[15:06] <Guest63354> idk my cam wont turn on when im on skype
[15:06] <philinux> in disk lol
[15:07] <Guest38878> philinux, indisk: command not found
[15:08] <philinux> Guest38878;~ open dash type in > disk
[15:08] <philinux> just disk
[15:08] <Guest38878> nezZario, yepp its sdb
[15:08] <bigred15> Guest63354: you can try to utilise pidgin
[15:08] <bigred15> pidgin with skype running in the bg
[15:09] <philinux> Guest38878;~ it's a very nice utility
[15:09] <nezZario> you can use "> /dev/sdb" to wipe it then as suggested by philinux or use dd
[15:09] <Guest38878> in > disk
[15:09] <Guest38878> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `in'
[15:09] <nezZario> Be careful, if you have the wrong device you WILL wipe any arbitrary disk connected
[15:09] <nezZario> make damn sure it's sdb
[15:10] <philinux> Guest38878;~ don't forget to tick take ownership if you use disks otherwise it ends up as owned by root
[15:10] <nezZario> he meant type in: "> /dev/sdb"
[15:10] <Guest38878> philinux, sorry.. how do I use fdisk?
[15:10] <nezZario> dd would be like dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=4k
[15:11] <philinux> Guest38878;~ i don't use fdisk
[15:11] <nezZario> Guest38878: "fdisk /dev/sdb"
[15:11] <nezZario> it'll bring up a little menu, type ? or help or something, it'll tell you how to use it
[15:11] <Guest38878> nezZario, Thanks I'll try that
[15:11] <philinux> very often i mean
[15:12] <nezZario> Sorry, I use headless machines mostly so I'm not used to all these fancy gui tools =)
[15:12] <aaa801> Right, so, one of my root users managed to do this, chown -R BteamServer:BteamServer /
[15:12] <aaa801> whats the easiest way to recover from it ?
[15:13] <nezZario> aaa801: have a backup
[15:13] <aaa801> nezZario: nothing that important on this, just wondering if a reinstall would be easier
[15:14] <nezZario> Yes, probably.. Else you'd need to compare it to another working system and then work out the rest
[15:14] <nezZario> Be careful with root, use sudo
[15:14] <Guest13708> i need help im new to Ubuntu and i dont really care fo it my friend did a duel boot thing and now its saying im missing a boot img or something for windows anyone know how to fix it ?
[15:15] <Guest38878> nezZario, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=4k   did not work! I ended up with a new partition 1GB big...
[15:15] <nezZario> dd will not create a partition
[15:15] <Guest38878> nezZario, It's like it's broken but since Raspberry finds the partition and boots up nicely..
[15:16] <Guest38878> nezZario, Yo re right. I ended up with an unallocated space 1GB big
[15:16] <nezZario> seriously, try fdisk, delete all the partitions, and recreate them, I have no idea what gparted is telling you or why
[15:16] <PistolPete> what up playas
[15:16] <Guest38878> nezZario, so fdisk /dev/sdb?
[15:16] <yossarianuk> if you have billions of files in a directory (say on ext4) what is the quickesy way of counting them ?
[15:17] <nezZario> yossarianuk: ehh, probably find . | wc -l which is still going to be slow as mollasses
[15:17] <yossarianuk> nezZario: no way of directly getting the info from the filesystem ?
[15:18] <Bluewolf> Hi all, how do I check if I have the right Nvidia Drivers installed?, My desktop keeps freezing at random which is GPU related.
[15:18] <yossarianuk> Bluewolf: you can see the version from 'nvidia-settings'
[15:18] <kingmofo> hello
[15:19] <bigred15> is there a way to stop nautilus from creating the directories "Desktop", "Documents" etc..?
[15:19] <Bluewolf> yossarianuk: Where I can't see anything, it does have stuff selected on Additional Drivers?\
[15:20] <nezZario> yossarianuk: none to my knowledge, but I could be wrong, google might can help if you're that serious about it, i.e. you're going to be running this frequently
[15:20] <gmachine_24> greetings. is it possible/easy to create a dual-boot set up with win 7 on one drive and Ubuntu on another? Thanks.
[15:20] <kingmofo> I'm making an application like BitTorrent but for Terminal
[15:20] <nezZario> gmachine_24: very possible, in fact I think the handbook will guide you trhough it
[15:20] <bigred15> kingmofo: cool, is it going allow individual torrent throttling?
[15:21] <yossarianuk> Bluewolf: one of the main issues with Ubuntu and variants is its not easy to get the latest stable Nvidia driver - for some reason they stick to an older one - which has known bugs (fixed in later versions) in the name of stability...
[15:21] <gmachine_24> nezZario, thanks... is this THE handbook?
[15:21] <yossarianuk> Bluewolf: but
[15:21] <Guest38878> nezZario, Now there they are! :-)
[15:21] <yossarianuk> Bluewolf: from a terminal window type 'nvidia-settings'
[15:21] <gmachine_24> nezZario: ok, really, to which handbook are you referring?
[15:22] <yossarianuk> nezZario: cheers - will investigate - there must be a way...
[15:23] <django> how do i update from 12.04
[15:23] <Lannister69> my .Xauthority permission was root and I had to change it to user. I did it and now I can login ubuntu again. but the graphic is weird.  any solution?? maybe I should also change permission for the graphic driver
[15:23] <yossarianuk> django: LTS releases will update in a month or so
[15:23] <yossarianuk> (to give more time to kill bugs...)
[15:24] <Bluewolf> yossarianuk: My Nvidia GPU is a 240GT, what does this mean? - http://pastebin.com/QNWHGQ2v
[15:24] <django> yossarianuk, so stick to 12.04
[15:24] <module000> yossarianuk: or manually install the driver you want.
[15:24] <yossarianuk> module000: yes - but Ubuntu makes that hard....
[15:25] <philinux> yossarianuk;~ you could try this echo * | wc
[15:25] <Armag3dd0n1> 7 hours good for a battery?
[15:25] <module000> yossarianuk: "hard" is typing 1 command? never mind....
[15:25] <Armag3dd0n1> i think windows done 3 hours but ubuntu 7 hours
[15:25] <yossarianuk> module000: no - thats what I do in most distros (except arch which normally has latest in repos)
[15:26] <Armag3dd0n1> banana?
[15:26] <Armag3dd0n1> :p
[15:26] <Praxi> I need a non usb drive to auto mount any time it is inserted into the dock.  What should I be looking up?
[15:26] <yossarianuk> module000: i mean the nvidia driver related tools (jockey, etc) that get in the way (or at least used to) of the manual ./NVIDIA.... install
[15:26] <kingmofo> XD
[15:27] <Armag3dd0n1> why can't I see my uptime on battery? it's blue and red lines wtf
[15:28] <Armag3dd0n1> it's green red and blue omg
[15:28] <Armag3dd0n1> which color is the battery??
[15:28] <yossarianuk> philinux: thanks but that can take ages - or if the dir is still filling maybe days...
[15:29] <yossarianuk> philinux: was looking to talk directly to FS..
[15:29] <Armag3dd0n1> bleh
[15:30] <Armag3dd0n1> anyone? it's like im talking to myself lol
[15:31] <philinux> yossarianuk;~ find command would probably be the fastest
[15:31] <SchrodingersScat> Armag3dd0n1: you can get uptime with 'uptime'
[15:31] <Bluewolf> yossarianuk: My Nvidia GPU is a 240GT, what does this mean? - http://pastebin.com/QNWHGQ2v
[15:31] <Beldar> Armag3dd0n1, THe channel asks you not swear or use acronyms of.
[15:31] <Armag3dd0n1> oops
[15:32] <gmachine_24> greetings. is it possible/easy to create a dual-boot set up with win 7 on one drive and Ubuntu on another? Thanks.
[15:32] <Armag3dd0n1> and i want battery uptime not all up time :*
[15:32] <philinux> Armag3dd0n1;~ i'm on mains just now so cant check the power utils
[15:32] <SchrodingersScat> k, idk what a battery uptime is then :/
[15:32] <Armag3dd0n1> it's with the color lines i think blue it is not sure tho
[15:32] <Beldar> gmachine_24, possible yes, easy for me yes, for you, only you know.
[15:33] <philinux> Armag3dd0n1;~ right click on the battery icon loads of stuff should be there
[15:33] <Armag3dd0n1> it's showing just under 24 mins and on 94%
[15:33] <Armag3dd0n1> ugh
[15:33] <fellayaboy> whats the best solution for sharing files on my server to people using links
[15:33] <philinux> Armag3dd0n1;~ see this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/12/check-battery-life-health-ubuntu-linux
[15:33] <fellayaboy> be it sftp, ssh, tftp, apache
[15:34] <yossarianuk> Bluewolf: sorry not sure - does nvidia-settings actually start - and just checking - your not root are you >
[15:34] <SchrodingersScat> fellayaboy: using links?
[15:34] <fellayaboy> right schrodingersScat
[15:34] <gmachine_24> fine: how do I create a dual-boot set up with win 7 on one drive and Ubuntu on another? Thanks.
[15:34] <yossarianuk> Bluewolf: also - do this
[15:34] <yossarianuk> dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[15:34] <Beldar> !dualboot | gmachine_24
[15:34] <Beldar> !who | gmachine_24
[15:34] <fellayaboy> say i want to share a file with you right now.  i want to instant message you a link and you download it from my pc.. be it ftp or whatever but u simply click click and boom you get a prompt to save or open file
[15:35] <gmachine_24> !who | Beldar
[15:35] <Armag3dd0n1> yeah i saw that :p
[15:35] <Beldar> gmachine_24, I have used your nick every time do you get the issue.
[15:35] <gmachine_24> Beldar, no, I'm really stupid.
[15:36] <Beldar> gmachine_24, I thought so, welcome to ignore.
[15:36] <SchrodingersScat> fellayaboy: ok, firefox doesn't like sftp, just tested.  apache2 is certainly an option, think they can do ftp as well.  Nginx if you're not using php/etc.  If you want you could do apache2/owncloud very easily, then they could have accounts, and you can use the owncloud sharing of files.
[15:36] <gmachine_24> haha......
[15:37] <Armag3dd0n1> bahhahaha
[15:37] <gmachine_24> Indeed. :-)
[15:38] <fellayaboy> well creating accounts will be ok some other time but for now... i dont want people to create accounts..i just want them to click and save no matter who. but i do not want them to be able to go deeper up the parent directories or have them easilly access other things...
[15:38] <alnassafi> Hi all
[15:38] <Armag3dd0n1> what line is the battery? http://lookpic.com/O/i2/328/tqauPqZ.png
[15:38] <Bluewolf> yossarianuk: My Nvidia Settings starts but it does not have anything in it, my Additional Drivers has different Nvidia Settings which do I choose? - http://pastebin.com/s1dFCbJR
[15:38] <alnassafi> I am trying to change root .. I used to be able now I can not
[15:38] <SchrodingersScat> fellayaboy: I use a combination of apache2, apache2/owncloud, and nginx, I'm fine with giving them a bare apache2/nginx autoindex page of a directory.
[15:38] <alnassafi> sudo chroot /mnt/lfs /bin/env -i HOME=/root TERM="$TERM" PS1='\u:\w\$ ' PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin: /bin/bash --login
[15:39] <Armag3dd0n1> okay not the best ss ever lmao
[15:39] <fellayaboy> i see schrodingerscat taht sounds good i will look into ownclound and nginx
[15:39] <ActionParsnip> alnassafi: omgubuntu has a guide for chrooting called 'sticking it to grub', very useful
[15:39] <yossarianuk> Bluewolf: ok - it looks like you have no driver install
[15:39] <alnassafi> sudo chroot "$LFS" /bin/env -i HOME=/root TERM="$TERM" PS1='\u:\w\$ ' PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin: /bin/bash --login
[15:39] <SchrodingersScat> fellayaboy: oh, if you don't want them to move around directories, then owncloud might be what you want?  because then you can limit the public sharing, although you can do this with apache in other ways of course.
[15:39] <philinux> Armag3dd0n1;~ blue dischagrge red is charge i guess
[15:39] <gmachine_24> alnassafi: come on dude, third time's a charm
[15:40] <Armag3dd0n1> really?
[15:40] <fellayaboy> i see isee schrodingersscat.  yeah and of course i dont want them running commands if someone is savy out there
[15:40] <alnassafi> Thanx ...
[15:40] <yossarianuk> Bluewolf: try - sudo apt-get install nvidia-331-updates nvidia-libopencl1-331-updates nvidia-opencl-icd-331-updates nvidia-prime nvidia-settings
[15:40] <fellayaboy> dont know if its secure like that but yeah u know
[15:40] <yossarianuk> (then reboot)
[15:40] <alnassafi> I was doing it for a very long time .. this morning I did it .. then I could not do it any more ...
[15:40] <philinux> Armag3dd0n1;~ odd graph that to be sure
[15:41] <gmachine_24> alnassafi: we're still talking about computing here?
[15:41] <alnassafi> Thanx .. I will try to find the answer from web
[15:41] <Armag3dd0n1> yeah it's doing my sweed in :(
[15:41] <Bluewolf> yossarianuk: Okay will do.
[15:41] <gmachine_24> alnassafi, really, stay... you must be patient
[15:42] <Armag3dd0n1> tbh i keep charging and not charging that's why it's messed up lol
[15:42] <yossarianuk> Bluewolf: good luck !
[15:43] <Armag3dd0n1> banana?
[15:43] <Armag3dd0n1> :p
[15:43] <gmachine_24> alnassafi: I should have been more to-the-point: reposting the same thing within a short period isn't really helpful; clogs things up and our eyes glaze over
[15:43] <philinux> Armag3dd0n1;~ is there a reset stats button
[15:43] <Armag3dd0n1> nope
[15:43] <Armag3dd0n1> :(
[15:44] <Armag3dd0n1> it's been on blue nearly 36 mins so red must be charge and blue dischagre
[15:44] <Armag3dd0n1> pain in the monkeys uncle tbh ;p
[15:44] <Tooth> Hi im having some problem whit my ubuntu!
[15:44] <Henne91> Hey everybody
[15:46] <philinux> gotta go have fun everyone
[15:47] <gmachine_24> as usual, the snotty/sarcastic/arrogant people give no useful information although they think they're a god; so, if anyone has 411 on how to create a dual-boot system using one drive for windows and one for linux, please let me know. Thanks.  FYI and b4 anyone ubottos me again, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Windows provides no useful information
[15:48] <toriso> gmachine_24: ubuntu should give you the option to install ubuntu next to windows
[15:49] <willwh> gmachine_24: that is pretty strasightforward
[15:49] <gmachine_24> toriso, on two separate hard drives?
[15:49] <Bluewolf> yossarianuk: Thank You for you help and Time :D
[15:49] <willwh> if you start with a win install, then install ubuntu, check advanced at the partitioning stage
[15:49] <gmachine_24> each drive with a different OS?
[15:49] <willwh> yes
[15:49] <willwh> why not
[15:49] <willwh> it's not like 2 clicks and you are done
[15:50] <willwh> do you know much about partitioning disks?
[15:50] <yossarianuk> Bluewolf: do you now have a driver ?
[15:50] <willwh> if you don't I wouldn't recommend you try
[15:50] <willwh> and I don't have time to help you right now, just eaving for work
[15:50] <willwh> you can ping me later though (after 18:00 PST)
[15:51] <Henne91> Hey everybody! I have a question concerning Unity/Debugging. Does anybody have an idea what is the best way to run unity-settings-daemon in debug mode right after boot?
[15:51] <Henne91> The problem is, I am trying to debug an annoying bug but if I run "unity-settings-daemon --replace --debug" this will prevent the bug so I need to start it in debug mode right away.
[15:51] <toriso> gmachine_24: never done it on 2 drives, i thought you were asking for a dual boot
[15:51] <Armag3dd0n1> there is an option to install ubuntu with windows m8
[15:52] <Armag3dd0n1> i saw it not long back with windows 7
[15:52] <gmachine_24> toriso, I know. thanks for your reply and your understanding. and yes, willwh, I know about partitioning; I have been using Linux for more than a decade but have never tried a dual boot using two drives - each with one of the OSes installed.
[15:52] <Bluewolf> yossarianuk: Well not yet because my internet is moving at its incredible speed of 35kbps - 36.5MB is going to take a short while :D
[15:52] <Armag3dd0n1> can i install windows 7 after ubuntu install? it's hard?
[15:53] <gmachine_24> I am doing Ubuntu and Windows 7
[15:53] <yossarianuk> Bluewolf: thats not good - your not on Virgin broadband are you (UK)
[15:53] <bigred15> gmachine_24: setup your BIOS to boot from the disk that Ubuntu resides on
[15:53] <toriso> gmachine_24: no problem and good luck
[15:53] <gmachine_24> Armag3dd0n1: I've never tried it but these are directions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/WindowsLast
[15:54] <gmachine_24> unless you're just busting my chops
[15:54] <Armag3dd0n1> thank you :p
[15:54] <GothPaw> how does one get a machine to have a "fully qualified domain name" when the server is actually hosting numerous virtual websites using the same IP address?
[15:54] <chdk> Hello, I want to install chdk to my camera. However i can not write to my sd card in ubuntu. I get "There was an error creating the directory in gphoto2://[usb:002,006]/." And if i click show more details is get the very informative "Error creating directory:-1: Unspecified error" This is when i connect the powershot over usb. If I put the SD card in the card reader i do not even get the option to copy to the sd card or rename files. Wh
[15:55] <willwh> GothPaw: it's not, your webserver is listening for specific domains (probably) in it's apache or nginx config
[15:55] <willwh> your system still has a hostname
[15:55] <gmachine_24> bigred15, ok here's my question though...... with windows 7 on say the "first" hard drive and ubuntu on the second, ... well I can't see why when I still Ubuntu on a second, separate drive that grub will notice there's a Windows 7 install on a separate drive... or does this happen?
[15:56] <Bluewolf> yossarianuk: No, but it would most likely be better than my connection at the moment, its potential is 250kbps when it feels like working. If I get a higher connection it costs - 2MB/sec is about $200 - us
[15:56] <gmachine_24> *installed
[15:56] <Armag3dd0n1> bluewolf; how much you pay and what speed?
[15:57] <bigred15> gmachine_24: if you've already installed windows on one disk, and then you go to install ubuntu on the 2nd disk, and setup the BIOS to boot from the second disk that ubuntu resides on, grub should pick up the windows disk also
[15:57] <Bluewolf> Armag3dd0n1: $60 - us with a top speed of 250kbps on a lucky day :D
[15:57] <gmachine_24> bigred15, ok, thanks. I will try that.
[15:57] <yossarianuk> Bluewolf: ouch - well I normally get around 3-6 MB/s - but there are so many times the entire service is offline...
[15:57] <Armag3dd0n1> woah
[15:57] <GothPaw> willwh: yes it does have a hostname for smb sharing, but everywhere I read it says to add a line to /etc/hosts that says 127.0.0.1 www.domainnamehere.com ......  this is where i get confused as there are a lot of domains hosted on the server
[15:57] <Armag3dd0n1> i pay £31 and get 160/12
[15:58] <Armag3dd0n1> 18.9MB/s atm :p
[15:58] <chdk> How do I format an SD card in ubuntu?
[15:58] <yossarianuk> The USA has no problems with monopolies...  I hear your mobile phone contracts are also insanely priced..
[15:58] <yossarianuk> (this is off topic..)
[15:59] <gmachine_24> bigred15, I'm just tired of the Windows install borking and then I'm left having to either reinstall Windows or do a Norton save which wipes the entire drive
[15:59] <bigred15> gmachine_24: no worries
[15:59] <Armag3dd0n1> so much hard work installing windows after ubuntu ;(
[16:00] <gmachine_24> I've never done the "reinstall Wnidows second" thing maybe it's ..... well, there you go.... Armag just said it.... a big PITA
[16:01] <gmachine_24> thankfully, I back up everything numerous times so that's not a problem
[16:01] <Armag3dd0n1> only 1 reason why i need windows...iTunes!
[16:01] <toriso> you can install windows after linux?
[16:01] <Armag3dd0n1> toriso, you can but it's hard
[16:02] <Armag3dd0n1> << no idea what a live cd is :S
[16:02] <toriso> Armag3dd0n1: i always thought windows would wipe out everything
[16:02] <gmachine_24> toriso, I've never done it; Armag* says "it's hard"; here's a link that I haven't read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/WindowsLast
[16:02] <gmachine_24> Armag3dd0n1: re: livecd, really?
[16:02] <Armag3dd0n1> yeah im new to ubuntu
[16:02] <yossarianuk> toriso: only 1 main OS pretends not to see other filesystems/OS'...
[16:02] <Armag3dd0n1> i moved over from xp
[16:03] <Armag3dd0n1> with the help of google :p
[16:03] <toriso> i need to reat this lol, i was believing a myth :)
[16:03] <bluewolf__> yossarianuk: Sorry had to bomb my machine - it frozed because of the drivers.
[16:03] <saj0577> returning to ubuntu after many years away. cant remember which email addreess i used (probably one thats obsolete. hoping to log back into ubuntuforums with old account can anyone help?
[16:03] <yossarianuk> I only used windows from 1996 -> 2001
[16:04] <yossarianuk> bluewolf__: you can run it on the console...
[16:04] <gmachine_24> Armag3dd0n1: a live cd is one which generally you can install from - but you can also run a "live" version of the Linuxes from a CD/DVD/USB stick which allows you to try a version before doing an actual install
[16:04] <jsstrn> Armag3dd0n1 LiveCD is for those trying out Ubuntu for the first time. You run the OS on a CD. You can also do that on a USB stick.
[16:04] <Armag3dd0n1> so wait, if i try and install windows after i break ubuntu, i can fix it?
[16:04] <gmachine_24> Armag3dd0n1: you can fix which one?
[16:04] <Armag3dd0n1> my ubuntu is like so tweaked
[16:04] <Armag3dd0n1> both?
[16:04] <Armag3dd0n1> lol
[16:05] <jsstrn> Armag3dd0n1 not recommended for long term use, but it's good for those who just want to have a feel of the OS before installing it on a VM or on a HDD
[16:05] <bluewolf__> yossarianuk: Console?
[16:05] <yossarianuk> i.e - ctrl+alt+f2
[16:05] <gmachine_24> Armag3dd0n1: welcome to my world; this is the problem I'm trying to prevent with two hard drives each with one of the oses in question
[16:05] <Armag3dd0n1> yeah, installing windows will break the ubuntu grub
[16:05] <Armag3dd0n1> im gonna break my own legs and try :p
[16:05] <mortis304> Can someone tell me where the PHP config file lives on Ubuntu?  I’m coming up with multiple php.ini files...
[16:06] <Armag3dd0n1> bbs
[16:06] <Praxi> I need a non usb drive to auto mount any time it is inserted into the dock without rebooting.  I have messed with adding the UUID to /etc/fstab.  That works for a reboot, but not otherwise.  What should I be looking up?
[16:06] <Praxi> mortis304 isn't there  a'which php' or something like that?
[16:06] <Praxi> or am I thinking python?
[16:07] <mortis304> That doesn’t tell me where the config file lives only the binary
[16:07] <gmachine_24> saj0577: hi, not trying to be a pill, but pretty much think you need to contact the ubuntuforums peoples..........
[16:07] <Praxi> the ini file will be in that directory or a sub of it I thought
[16:07] <saj0577> okay cheers
[16:07] <mortis304> no
[16:08] <Praxi> and this doesn't help mortis304 ?  http://askubuntu.com/questions/356968/find-the-correct-php-ini-file
[16:08] <gmachine_24> saj0577: I sort of had the same problem; they redid the whole sign-in thing and I guess I never did find my original ubuntuforums user profile including all my wonderful beans; I miss those beans..... :-(
[16:08] <chdk> how do i open filemanager as root? sudo nautilus does not work. I think the name changed?
[16:10] <gmachine_24> I would like to thank everyone who took the time today to actually real and understand the question I was asking; and to those of you arrogant fools who think you are so hot because you diss people in an Ubuntu IRC channel (of all places) I have only this o say: MEAN PEOPLE SUCK
[16:10] <gmachine_24> ok, *read, *to
[16:10] <bluewolf__> yossarianuk: Console, does it stop the system from freezing while it installs?
[16:10] <mortis304> Thanks Praxi
[16:11] <Praxi> yw mortis304 !
[16:11] <yuerser> How do you upgrade flash from 11.2 to 11.8
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> how can i install ubuntu on an old acer aspire without cd or usb as first boot?
[16:12] <geirha> lotuspsychje: tell it to boot cd or usb
[16:12] <gmachine_24> lotuspsychje: a network/ftp install? but I think you need some way to boot the computer ...........
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> geirha: bios doesnt wanna set cd or usb to first boot
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> gmachine_24: ive seen it can network boot, yes what do i need for that?
[16:13] <yossarianuk> bluewolf__: it might if the GPU is the issue.
[16:13] <gmachine_24> lotuspsychje: does the bios allow for booting from network....
[16:13] <geirha> lotuspsychje: seriously? is it like 20 years old?
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> geirha: its an old machine yes :p
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> geirha: and cdrom kinda broken
[16:14] <tooth> What  command or a software to check the internet connection for unwanted access
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> gmachine_24: yes, what do i need for network boot?
[16:14] <geirha> lotuspsychje: does it have an operating system already?
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> geirha: xp
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> geirha: ive tryed install trick from 14.04 usb stick from xp, but after reboot it does nothing
[16:15] <brianr> lotuspsychje, if you have another machine on the network, you would likely have to setup a PXE boot to an install iso
[16:16] <gmachine_24> lotuspsychje: can you still boot from xp? have tried a bios update?
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> brianr: do i need connect the eth cable to 2nd pc and search for the iso?
[16:16] <geirha> may be easier to put the harddrive in a more agreeable machine, install, then switch it back.
[16:16] <gmachine_24> lotuspsychje: I think brianr is yourman
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> gmachine_24: yes i can boot xp
[16:17] <tado> hey all. i have a strange problem on 14.04... sometimes (not always) programs such as firefox, thunderbird and musique recognize my pointer as pointing somewhere else than it actually is on the screen. like to click on firefox's address bar i need to be almost one cm above it and to the left. has anyone encountered this? i don't even know what keywords to use to search the web for it...
[16:17] <gmachine_24> lotuspsychje: do you want a dual-boot machine?
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> gmachine_24: god no :p dualboots are my nightmare
[16:18] <gmachine_24> lotuspsychje: and if you plug in an external usb cd/dvd drive you cannot boot from that?
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> gmachine_24: dont got a spare usb to cd drive
[16:18] <brianr> lotuspsychje, the PXE boot scenario isn't a real simple option, it will take some time to setup
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> gmachine_24: only usb or network
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> !wubi > lotuspsychje
[16:20] <gmachine_24> lotuspsychje: so you tried to install from a usb flash drive which had 14.04 on it - and you completed the install and then you didn't get the grub boot menu option when rebooting?
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> gmachine_24: no, i have 14.04 on usb, but cant get it to load on that old laptop
[16:21] <gmachine_24> lotuspsychje: have you tried different version of Linux??? others will know more.... but one for older hardware..........
[16:21] <tooth> 32
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> gmachine_24: tryed from within xp also, and pressed a wubi lookalike on the usb, but after reboot nothing loads
[16:22] <gmachine_24> lotuspsychje: I cannot help you with wubi
[16:22] <lucastt> hey, i installed a package lib32(not the exact name)
[16:23] <lucastt> and now my interface looks like that http://imgur.com/98kP6L0
[16:23] <lucastt> that's chrome menu
[16:23] <lucastt> but i don't know if it's related to that package
[16:23] <violeteagle> Can GPU driver be installed without the GPU in the Computer, reasoning being is that my computer keeps freezing when I try and install it?
[16:24] <gmachine_24> lotuspsychje: so here's one thing, if you don't want a dual-boot, then you're best off wiping the hard drive - and then installing Linux/Ubuntu.... you can always remove the Windows partitions after an Ubuntu install, but then you must rerun grub config
[16:25] <gmachine_24> lotuspsychje: you burned your ubuntu 14.04 iso to the flash drive using unetbootin I assume?
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> gmachine_24: no with boot disk creator from my trusty netbook
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> gmachine_24: but cant get it to load on this older laptop
[16:26] <tado> anyone that has suggestions about the mouse pointer problem?
[16:26] <gmachine_24> lotuspsychje: it doesn't sound as if you got it to install on the older laptop
[16:27] <brianr> lotuspsychje, have you tried to boot the netbook from that USB drive?
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> brianr: the usb is fine, never had a fail on it
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> brianr: its just the old laptop that has no bios option to boot removable media
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> brianr: think that network trick is my best option
[16:28] <sala> hacker ?
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> brianr: but never done it before, so not sure what to do
[16:29] <brianr> lotuspsychje, typically what i do in your situation is the PXE boot ... your other machine is linux or Windows?
[16:29] <gmachine_24> lotuspsychje: which means you are able to boot from the usb drive.......... right?
[16:29] <gmachine_24> brianr, windowsxp
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> brianr: win
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> gmachine_24: not from that older laptop
[16:29] <tooth> u have to use 32 on the old laptop
[16:30] <gmachine_24> ok, my mistake....... I'll mind my own biz
[16:30] <brianr> lotuspsychje, for windows i have had good results with http://www.vercot.com/~serva/
[16:31] <gmachine_24> brianr, that looks like a great resource/tool....... I'm going to check that out more... thanks
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> gmachine_24, brianr tnx
[16:32] <brianr> if you google ubuntu serva install there is some pretty detailed directions
[16:32] <nicnm> hello all
[16:32] <gmachine_24> lotuspsychje: and whoever said your xp laptop probably won't handle 64 bit is probably correct... if that's what you've tried to install
[16:33] <gmachine_24> nicnm... hi.... got a problem or question?
[16:34] <nicnm> not at the moment, tho I may, reading man pages
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> gmachine_24: im trying to install trusty 64bit on it yes
[16:35] <violeteagle> Can GPU driver be installed without the GPU in the Computer, reasoning being is that my computer keeps freezing when I try and install it?
[16:35] <ActionParsnip> violeteagle: sure, you can install anything you want
[16:36] <gmachine_24> brianr, I have a dual-boot drive where neither win 7 home prem 64 bit nor ubuntu 12.04 64 bit will boot...... they ran fine until about a week ago and the more times I tried to "fix" things the worse it got; I have a live CD/dvd Ubuntu of course and I want to reinstall grub to that drive......... or at least to the Ubuntu install; I don't care if the Windows os ever boots again ...... how I...
[16:36] <gmachine_24> ...can I fix grub on the dual-boot from a live ubuntu dvd?
[16:36] <tooth> hi the command netstat /ano dont work as it done before cant see what ip or device that are establised to my router is there a software or command that can check my connections
[16:36] <gmachine_24> lotuspsychje: I"m thinking you're nver going to get a 64 bit install to work on that laptop
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> gmachine_24: why's that?
[16:37] <gmachine_24> lotuspsychje: in short, not compatible
[16:37] <violeteagle> ActionParsnip: Okay, so I could remove my GPU install the Driver and put it back in and it should work fine, or is there a simpler way?
[16:37] <gmachine_24> try a 32 bit as tooth was suggesting
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> gmachine_24: its a sempron 3000+, should be able to handle 64bit
[16:38] <gmachine_24> lotuspsychje: and how's that working for you? :-)
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> gmachine_24: im trying a 12.04 xubuntu cdrom atm, hopefully it doesnt crash on me
[16:39] <haozekang> .
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> gmachine_24: maybe i can get ubuntu-desktop from there
[16:41] <haozekang> which country you come from?
[16:41] <gmachine_24> lotuspsychje: ok, did a little research and it seems your 3000+ is 64-bit; my apologies; but perhaps the other hardware on the laptop is not supported in the most-recent Ubuntu versions; I don't know; it's a possibility
[16:42] <brianr> oddly enough my google search for sempron 3000+ says its a 32bit
[16:43] <gmachine_24> brianr, haha...... and that, my friends, is the internet
[16:43] <brianr> there is a 64bit sempron
[16:43] <smoovep> I am trying to view my nas via apache but I get access denied.. any ideas?
[16:45] <haozekang> there are chinese people?
[16:46] <gmachine_24> AMD Sempron 64 3000+ Palermo 1.8GHz Socket 754 Processor
[16:46] <gmachine_24> for one
[16:47] <haozekang> h
[16:47] <Yelu> !cn|haozekang
[16:47] <gmachine_24> lotuspsychje, http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K7/AMD-Sempron%203000+%20-%20SDA3000DUT4D%20%28SDA3000BOX%29.html
[16:48] <haozekang>  /join #ubuntu-cn
[16:49] <firefox> how
[16:50] <firefox> quit
[16:51] <arcsky> ubuntu server hw requirments anyone?
[16:51] <Dreadlish> arcsky: there aren't any.
[16:52] <Dreadlish> arcsky: just cpu better than pentium.
[16:52] <Dreadlish> and some ram.
[16:52] <dupingping> please help me
[16:52] <tooth> can i recover a partition What command or software can i use?  i inserted windows xp install cd and it did bring the computer to disk error stats! i resurected it whit ubuntu 13.10 usb stick but all my things from my old home folder are goane!  thx
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> ok ive been able to load the xubuntu livecd, how can i install ubuntu trusty from usb from there?
[16:52] <xangua> lotuspsychje: double click the Install Xubuntu icon
[16:53] <dupingping> I am interested unicode virtual console, and other already asked a question as it.
[16:53] <dupingping> at http://askubuntu.com/questions/462961/what-is-unicode-virtual-console
[16:53] <dupingping> who can help me and him?
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> xangua: the problem is the cdrom drive s kinda broken, i need to install from usb drive
[16:53] <violeteagle> Do I have to reboot my machine after installing GPU Drivers?
[16:53] <xangua> !usb
[16:53] <xangua> then make a bootable usb lotuspsychje
[16:54] <someHuman> Hello!
[16:54] <someHuman> What does blocks mean when using the terminal command `df`?
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> xangua: its an old laptop without usb to set to boot
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> xangua: bios doesnt support it
[16:54] <xangua> then get an external dvd/cd drive
[16:55] <DJones> !requirements | arcsky There's a list of requirements in the bots link for server installs, hope that helps,
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> xangua: dont have one here, cant i terminal command to upgrade from internet?
[16:55] <root_____> wc
[16:55] <root_____> q
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> xangua: from the xubuntu live desktop
[16:56] <xangua> lotuspsychje: do you have ubuntu already installed¿
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> xangua: no ive been able to load xubuntu live (from cdrom) but full install corrupts on bad cdrom
[16:57] <gmachine_24> lotuspsychje: bad cdrom or bad cd
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> gmachine_24: its the old cdrom drive that fails i know
[16:57] <gmachine_24> ok
[16:58] <gmachine_24> lotuspsychje: how much ram does your laptop have?
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> gmachine_24: 512 ddram
[16:58] <someHuman> Can someone look this up, weird http://imgur.com/1UgAk4h
[16:58] <gmachine_24> haha
[16:58] <someHuman> I am by the way just learning the terminal.
[16:58] <gmachine_24> sorry
[16:59] <gmachine_24> dude........ you need a very light *nux install for that laptop
[16:59] <gmachine_24> *nix
[16:59] <gmachine_24> and I am out
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> gmachine_24: well i can live with xubuntu trusty on it :p
[17:00] <brianr> lotuspsychje, do you have a legacy usb option in the bios of that acer? if so is it enabled?
[17:01] <untrothy> I'm seeing a lot of RX traffic on my vps, with tcpdump I see a lot of "IP xxxxx.xxxxxx.com.54774 > 255.255.255.255.netbios-ns: NBT UDP PACKET(137): QUERY; REQUEST; BROADCAST. Anyone have any idea what this is? I'm getting 4 GB of rx traffic a day extra.
[17:01] <ActionParsnip> lotuspsychje: install ubutu minimal then fluxbox and it'll run ok
[17:01] <JediMaster> I've upgraded my dell xps 15 laptop to 14.04 yesterday (after having it upgrade fine on a few desktops and servers), and I can't get the display drivers working, and it tries to boot in low graphics mode every time I boot. The laptop has dual Intel and Nvidia graphics cards, I have tried purging the nvidia drivers, reinstalling nvidia-331 and running nvidia-xconfig, and no luck, any other ideas?
[17:01] <ActionParsnip> JediMaster: did you install bumblebee?
[17:02] <dupingping> http://askubuntu.com/questions/462961/what-is-unicode-virtual-console
[17:02] <Slart> someHuman: could it be the difference between disk space that can't be used for something else vs disk space actually used?
[17:02] <dupingping> ubuntu has unicode virtual console?
[17:02] <JediMaster> ActionParsnip, no, it's not installed, however, it may have been in the past
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> brianr: it can handle usb sticks yes, just not boot it
[17:02] <ActionParsnip> JediMaster: its needed if you have that switching GPU nonesense
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> ActionParsnip: xubuntu live seems to run nicely on it
[17:02] <JediMaster> ActionParsnip, not with nvidia-prime
[17:03] <ActionParsnip> JediMaster: try both ways. I'm asuming you have tried nvidia-prime and you arent getting a win are you?
[17:04] <JediMaster> ActionParsnip, just can't get X to start at all with nvidia installed or not
[17:04] <ActionParsnip> JediMaster: try bumblebee, it's free to try
[17:05] <JediMaster> ActionParsnip, Am I right in thinking if I uninstall nvidia-* delete the xorg config then restart it, it ought to detect the intel graphics card and use that?
[17:05] <ActionParsnip> JediMaster: Sounds like a plan
[17:05] <someHuman> Slart: That actually made sense!
[17:06] <someHuman> GUI does add up to memory, assuming that anything GUI will take up more space than just text interface. Thanks!
[17:06] <Slart> someHuman: happy to.. surprise you =)
[17:06] <someHuman> Slart: ;)
[17:07] <JediMaster> ActionParsnip, installing bumblebee-nvidia didn't seem to help, will try a complete uninstall of it all and hopefully running on the intel gpu
[17:07] <diogro> https://bleutrade.com/home/8 - Bleutrade. The most powerful cryptocurrency exchange platform of the universe!
[17:08] <JediMaster> ActionParsnip, no luck =/
[17:08] <DJones> diogro: PLease don't spam, the channels topic is Ubuntu support
[17:15] <JediMaster> ActionParsnip, I've pastebin'ed my Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/yyDHVbAn
[17:15] <JediMaster> ActionParsnip, it's really weird, there's no (EE) other than the final line: (EE) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file.
[17:16] <JediMaster> Also, I can see the Intel drivers are loading here
[17:17] <violeteagle> How do I check my GPU temperature?
[17:21] <untrothy> I'm seeing a lot of RX traffic on my vps, with tcpdump I see a lot of "IP xxxxx.xxxxxx.com.54774 > 255.255.255.255.netbios-ns: NBT UDP PACKET(137): QUERY; REQUEST; BROADCAST. Anyone have any idea what this is? I'm getting 4 GB of rx traffic a day extra.
[17:22] <violeteagle> Never mind, found out how.
[17:23] <ActionParsnip> untrothy: have you done a whois on the IP?
[17:23] <untrothy> it the same address of my vps provider
[17:23] <ActionParsnip> untrothy: then contact the vps provider...
[17:24] <untrothy> ActionParsnip, Oh ok I thought my vps was up to something, i'll open a ticket thanks
[17:29] <tooth> i having network issues is ther a room for network?
[17:31] <bazhang> ##networking tooth
[17:31] <Armag3dd0n1> I done it! I managed to install windows after ubuntu was firstly installed! w00t.
[17:32] <tooth> ok thx i try join there
[17:32] <Armag3dd0n1> thank god for google ;)
[17:33] <tooth> no chat but cant virtualbox can u use to much runing windows and much more
[17:33] <bekks> tooth: What does that sentence mean?
[17:33] <nicnm> it makes installing osx super easy
[17:33] <bekks> nicnm: If you own a Mac.
[17:34] <tooth> u can run windows in virtual machine
[17:34] <nicnm> -.-
[17:34] <tooth> and sory for chat bye
[17:34] <JediMaster> ActionParsnip, I've just created a 14.04 usb key (rather than upgrading from 13.10) and booted from the USB stick and X starts correctly, so it must be something installed/left over from the 13.10 install stopping X starting
[17:35] <JediMaster> ActionParsnip,  Oh well, don't have much time for diagnosing what's wrong, and very little that isn't backed up and easily copied over, so might as well install a fresh 14.04 copy on it
[17:35] <nicnm> I had a similar problem upgrading from 13.10
[17:36] <testest> :)
[17:36] <nicnm> it killed x but the kernel was fine so...thats how I got x back...fresh install
[17:37] <mmazing> lots of questions out there for the opposite of this ... how do i make my screens stay on longer after locking my desktop?
[17:43] <stevie> yo
[17:44] <stevie> on xubuntu: i have two internal hard drives, how can I installl an iso from one to the other?
[17:45] <ActionParsnip> stevie: you will need to add the ISO to grub
[17:45] <ActionParsnip> stevie: then set the other drive up as the drive to install to
[17:45] <stevie> k sounds good
[17:45] <stevie> ty
[17:53] <MIG-> Anyone here use httprof ? I'm transitioning from Apache Benchmark to httprof and trying to figure out how to specify a level of concurrency
[17:53] <mopps> Could someone running Trusty please post me the result of `uname -a`? Thanks!
[17:54] <ActionParsnip> !info linux-image-generic trusty | mopps
[17:54] <ghartz_> MIG-, look at https://github.com/lighttpd/weighttp or https://github.com/wg/wrk
[17:54] <ghartz_> way better :)
[17:54] <ghartz_> and easier
[17:54] <MIG-> ghartz_: k
[17:54] <mopps> ActionParsnip, Thanks. You seem to have determined the hidden meaning behind my question and answered it.
[17:55] <ActionParsnip> i'm good like that
[17:55] <ActionParsnip> mopps: I'm not using Trusty but I know how to find out what you wanted :)
[17:56] <MIG-> ghartz_: will I be able to specify post data ?
[17:56] <cmircea> Is it possible to join an Active Directory domain for centralized authentication? Is there an recommended way? (searching the web I can find many variants in blog posts) This is for 14.04.
[17:57] <MIG-> ghartz_: It seems that you can't with waf
[17:57] <ghartz_> MIG-, ?
[17:57] <MIG-> I'd like to specify post data
[17:58] <ghartz_> MIG-, with "wrk" you can specify a lua script
[17:58] <ghartz_> with method, body, headesr etc
[17:58] <MIG-> cool
[17:58] <MIG-> thanks!
[17:59] <MIG-> Oh one more question. Anyone happen to have benchmarked node.js server that is e-commerce like ?
[17:59] <AnzudemDi> http://www.twitch.tv/unrealengine
[17:59] <AnzudemDi> unreal tournament 4 announcment, for anyone who is interested
[18:00] <AnzudemDi> maybe a new linux game coming out :P
[18:00] <MIG-> I'm benchmarking an /order endpoint that hits Stripe API for credit-card transactions.
[18:01] <andyfied> any idea where the option to switch minimise on icon click on in 14.04? i have been hugely looking forward to it and can't seem to find any instructions that don't involve installing something else. i've looked in Unity Tweak, but can't see anything...
[18:02] <mopps> andyfied, minimise on launcher icon click?
[18:03] <trism> andyfied: ccsm/Unity plugin/Launcher/Minimize single window applications (unsupported)
[18:03] <andyfied> mopps: yeah, searching google brings up the pre-14.04 solutions which involve installing stuff. i thought 14.04 would allow it, i just need to switch it on
[18:03] <helprescuinggrub> Hiya- I am trial booted on an ubuntu disk on a machine that has had a windows partition install remove grub from the older Ubuntu-based system already on the drive. I have tried to install Boot-Repair by doing: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair
[18:03] <helprescuinggrub> sudo sed 's/trusty/saucy/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list.d/yannubuntu-boot-repair-trusty.list
[18:03] <helprescuinggrub> sudo apt-get update
[18:03] <helprescuinggrub> sudo apt-get install -y boot-repair && (boot-repair &)  ... however upon doing the sudo sed... line, I recieve this error: sed: can't read /etc/apt/sources.list.d/yannubuntu-boot-repair-trusty.list: No such file or directory
[18:03] <helprescuinggrub>  I am aware that this is a fairly basic error but am still pretty new with linux, and have been battling bad internet for a while- I'm just hoping someone can guide me through what I need to do
[18:04] <AnzudemDi> Yup, unreal tournament 4 will be a linux game
[18:06] <helprescuinggrub> anyone? :/
[18:08] <helprescuinggrub> looking for assistance rescuing my Ubuntu partition from windows
[18:08] <prepangolin>  /join #openstack
[18:09] <helprescuinggrub> @ me, prepangolin?
[18:10] <webfox> How do I install ssh via command line?
[18:11] <RaBhl1984> bonjour
[18:12] <helprescuinggrub> anyone feling helpful out there?
[18:12] <Jordan_U> webfox: You want to install an ssh server?
[18:12] <helprescuinggrub> feling
[18:12] <webfox> Jordan_U: yes
[18:12] <Jordan_U> webfox: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[18:12] <helprescuinggrub> feeling?* wow
[18:12] <andyfied> webfox, sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[18:12] <webfox> ok, thank you guys!
[18:13] <helprescuinggrub> either of you guys know how to get through problems installing Boot-Repair?
[18:13] <andyfied> helprescuinggrub, sorry, not had to do it
[18:13] <helprescuinggrub> or other better ways to restore Grub to my Linux partition
[18:14] <iDevelop> Doesn't ubuntu come with openssh?
[18:14] <Jordan_U> helprescuinggrub: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_ChRoot
[18:14] <helprescuinggrub> ok thanks andyfied. anyone else?
[18:14] <Jordan_U> iDevelop: It comes with the client, not with openssh-server.
[18:15] <gartral> hey all, just installed ubuntu 14.04 on my mother's netbook, and I have aboout 3 hours to figure out what's going on with MTP... it doesn't correctly mount phones when iplug them in, and I have to toggle MTP off/on from phone, then it mounts, but the system "loses" the phone after 5 or so minutes
[18:15] <yuri___> Hi
[18:15] <yuri___> I have a question about  ubuntu drivers?
[18:16] <iDevelop> When I got ubuntu, it came with OpenSSH server and I could connect remotely straight away
[18:16] <iDevelop> yuri__: just ask
[18:16] <Jordan_U> iDevelop: Did you install Ubuntu server?
[18:16] <helprescuinggrub> Jordan_U- thanks, I am looking at that now
[18:17] <Cogito4816> Hello.  I'm running Windows 7 in a Virtual Box VM on Ubuntu 14.04.  Does anyone know how to access files/folders that I've set to be shared between the two?
[18:17] <iDevelop> Jordan_U: nope
[18:17] <iDevelop> Cogito4816: eww. Windows. Check in the explorer on the side for any external/network disks.
[18:18] <Cogito4816> Yeah, I feel dirty using this, iDevelop.  I couldn't find anything the first time, but I'll double-check.
[18:18] <iDevelop> Cogito4816: windows sucks.
[18:19] <Cogito4816> That's why I use Ubuntu :P
[18:19] <iDevelop> But you're using Windows in VM
[18:19] <gartral> iDevelop: there's one thing windows does well
[18:19] <iDevelop> Why use Windows?
[18:19] <Cogito4816> Only reason is because visual novels don't work in Linux
[18:19] <gartral> iDevelop: and that's break
[18:19] <iDevelop> gartral: yes, corruption
[18:20] <iDevelop> Meh, close enough
[18:20] <kafui_> need help with pppoe with bandwith management in ubuntu
[18:20] <mopps> kafui_, That's a tricky one, what do you want to do?
[18:21] <kingmofo> hello
[18:21] <yuri___> iDevelop: Trying to download necessary drivers for Epson XP series printer
[18:21] <Cogito4816> iDevelop:  I'm looking in the "Network" tab in the file explorer, but all it shows me is the virtual machine itself, with all the usual shared files.
[18:21] <kafui_> i have setup pppoe server on ubuntu 13.10 using radius authentication.. i need radius attributes that can assign bandwith to clients by account if possible
[18:22] <yuri___> iDevelop: Using standard method- printers, add, drivers - system keeps locking up
[18:22] <madphoenix> Does anybody know how to make non-local users (e.g. Winbind users) available for login at the graphical prompt in 14.04?  Or is there a way to enter an arbitrary username, instead of selecting from the list?
[18:22] <jerrac> #ansible
[18:22] <yuri___> iDevelop: Attempted to download directly from manufacturers website to no avail
[18:22] <mopps> Cogito4816, Did you load guest additions?
[18:22] <Cogito4816> I'm not sure how to do that
[18:23] <Cogito4816> This is my first experience with a VM
[18:23] <iDevelop> I got no idea
[18:23] <iDevelop> I don't use Windows
[18:23] <mopps> Cogito4816, You need this https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#additions-windows
[18:23] <Cogito4816> Thanks, I'll take a look
[18:24] <mopps> Cogito4816, AFTER you have done that, you can do this: https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#sharedfolders
[18:24] <Cogito4816> Wait, mopps, is this mounting Ubuntu on my Windows instance which is already mounted on Ubuntu?
[18:24] <kingmofo> im in school right now
[18:24] <bgardner> Cogito4816: In the VM, after you install guest additions, you do 'net use x: \\vboxsrv\sharename'
[18:25] <mopps> Cogito4816, bgardner has correctly summarised those 2 URLs for you
[18:26] <bgardner> Sorry mopps, hit enter before reading your comments.
[18:26] <mopps> Well, you don't *need* net use, but it will work and saves you having to use the stupid network browser
[18:27] <bgardner> True, I just prefer CLI when given a choice.
[18:27] <silkfox> anybody know what happened to the 13.04 raring extras repository?  I am probably missing something obvious but without commenting the extras lines out of sources.list I am unable to get apt-get update to exit cleanly which is tanking my puppet runs that depend on running that.  http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ used to have a raring link and now doesn't - any clue what stupidly obvious thing I am
[18:27] <silkfox> missing?
[18:27] <Maadison> hey there. I'm curious to hear what folks think about installing & autoupdating phpmyadmin from a ppa. the version ubuntu provides is 2 years old. I'd be updating to get security fixes, but updating from an untrusted source doesn't seem very secure. thoughts?
[18:27] <mopps> bgardner, No need to apologise.
[18:29] <mopps> Maadison, It depends if you trust the PPA maintainer. If not, install from source.
[18:29] <letstrythis> !cpufreq
[18:30] <Julinux> Please people
[18:30] <Julinux> I need user zabbix permission in /dev/sda
[18:30] <Maadison> mopps: mmm installing from source doesn't get me autoupdates. can't win either way, I guess.
[18:30] <dw1> silkfox: could be because its no longer supported
[18:30] <Julinux> ubuntu 12.04 lts
[18:30] <mopps> Maadison, Autoupdates are a good way to have a system break on you without warning ... :-)
[18:30] <madphoenix> Julinux: what are you trying to do?
[18:31] <dw1> silkfox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases#Table_of_versions
[18:31] <Maadison> mopps: understood. thinking I might prefer broken to hacked.
[18:31] <dw1> silkfox: better get to 14.04 soon :)
[18:31] <yuri___> Can anyone please help?
[18:32] <Julinux> madphoenix: I'm add in /etc/sudoers
[18:32] <Julinux> madphoenix: zabbix         ALL=NOPASSWD /dev/sda
[18:32] <Julinux> madphoenix: But it did not work
[18:33] <yuri___> hello
[18:33] <mopps> Maadison, if you're worried, make your phpadmin either not accessible from the web and tunnel in via VPN, or perhaps only accessible to your IP address, etc
[18:33] <dw1> yuri___: just ask a question
[18:33] <tillbaks> anyone know of any video players that can be controlled remotely like with a socket or http?
[18:33] <yuri___> dw1: already did see abive
[18:34] <Julinux> madphoenix: ???
[18:34] <mopps> tillbaks, VLC has a remote
[18:34] <madphoenix> Julinux: that doesn't make sense, /dev/sda is not a command
[18:34] <samrach> Dude
[18:35] <samrach> I got some problems with my laptop when I install ubuntu on it
[18:35] <Julinux> madphoenix: So what should I do?
[18:35] <mopps> Julinux, Do you want to give access to the /dev/sda disk drive?
[18:35] <k1l> Julinux: what do you want to do?
[18:35] <Julinux> Yes, only for the zabbix user
[18:35] <ramrebol_> Hello. I have xubuntu 14.04. Everything works fine except that when I suspend the laptop (for example, when I close the lid and reopen), appears the login window ok, and then I put my username and password, but then just a black window appears. I have searched in google but I have not found the solution. Someone can help me?
[18:35]  * mmazing grabs some popcorn.
[18:35] <dw1> yuri___: hmm no idea, sorry http://google.com/search?q=epson+xp+ubuntu
[18:35] <madphoenix> Julinux: if you want to allow the zabbix user to do anything on your system do the following:
[18:35] <k1l> Julinux: you seem to have no clue at all and are going to ruin your system. so please tell us what you want to do and we can tell you the right way
[18:36] <samrach> Can someone help me with this ?
[18:36] <madphoenix> Julinux: zabbix ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[18:36] <Maadison> mopps: yeah, those (ip addr / ssh) are a bit of a pain but may be the best route. thanks.
[18:36] <dw1> samrach: whats the problem
[18:36] <madphoenix> Julinux: Defaults:zabbix !requiretty
[18:36] <yuri___> dw1: Thanks anyway, I appreciate it.
[18:36] <mmazing> Julinux: try and be more specific about what exactly you are trying to do, or what isn't working
[18:37] <mopps> I believe he wants to give the zabbix user full access to the file system of /dev/sda
[18:37] <samrach> I once installed ubuntu on my laptop but it runs like a stone on it
[18:37] <madphoenix> right but that makes no sense
[18:37] <samrach> what it causes so ?
[18:37] <madphoenix> it's not a filesystem
[18:37] <mopps> it has a file system on it
[18:37] <dw1> samrach: if its a low-powered laptop you might consider using a different window manager than the default Unity
[18:37] <mmazing> madphoenix: clearly he is using conflicting terms and doesn't understand what /dev/sda actually is, but let's try and use our brains yeah?
[18:37] <k1l> samrach: give precise issues with most informations and error messages
[18:38] <madphoenix> it could, or it could be part of a filesystem, or an lvm
[18:38] <dw1> samrach: e.g. by installing gnome-session-flashback then choosing 'gnome no effects' at login
[18:38] <tillbaks> mopps, yeah just too bad vlc is so unstable
[18:38] <wN> an.logical.volume.manager++
[18:38] <letstrythis> how  do i adjust time  to live for my network?
[18:38] <Julinux> madphoenix: Where do I put Defaults: zabbix requiretty?
[18:39] <samrach> k1l: my laptop seems to run so heavy when ubuntu in one it
[18:39] <madphoenix> Julinux: in your sudoers file
[18:39] <madphoenix> mmazing: i'm not just being snarky, it's an important distinction of terms.  it may or may not be a complete filesystem on /dev/sda
[18:39] <abdu> hey allof you
[18:39] <qwd> How can I remap Caps Lock to be Escape when pressed one and Ctrl when held down? I found a guide explaining how to do it with Xcape but for that I need to remap it to Ctrl in Keyboard Layout Settings first and that seems to be gone in Ubuntu 14.04.
[18:39] <letstrythis> hi
[18:40] <dw1> letstrythis: why would you want to do that......
[18:40] <ramrebol_> I think I have this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1303736   How can I solve it?
[18:40] <samrach> k1l: Is it cos of low laptop specification or something else
[18:40] <django> how do i raise my mic volume in 12.04
[18:40] <letstrythis> to better fight ddos's on both ends not everyone's isp is of good quality/broadcasting etc
[18:40] <madphoenix> Julinux: make sure you put the ! before requiretty, otherwise it will do the opposite of what you want
[18:41] <letstrythis> the default is often way to low
[18:41] <dw1> django: try installing pavucontrol and run it
[18:41] <django> ugh
[18:41] <dw1> django: gives lots of control over stuff
[18:41] <Armag3dd0n1> god bless google.
[18:41] <mmazing> madphoenix: i understand, but since this person doesn't know that /dev/sda is exactly, we can probably assume he isn't doing anything complicated with it, or at least start there
[18:41] <letstrythis> i had the best results with ttl=128 or higher
[18:41] <madphoenix> mmazing: then jump in and help
[18:42] <django> dw1, systems settings fixed it
[18:42] <dw1> letstrythis: oh, ive never adjusted that.
[18:42] <Julinux> madphoenix: Is correcty? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7417681/
[18:42] <k1l> samrach: what are the specs of that laptop?
[18:42] <letstrythis> Armadillos: sometimes i wish google was a solid object i could throw through windows
[18:42] <dw1> letstrythis: dont even know where to do it
[18:42] <dw1> letstrythis: perhaps in the router ?
[18:42] <k1l> samrach: and what ubuntu are you running exaclty? and which desktop?
[18:42] <madphoenix> Julinux: if you wish to allow the zabbix user to perform any operation on your system without a password or requiring a TTY, then yes
[18:43] <madphoenix> Julinux: that is the common way to set it up on a server being monitored by Zabbix
[18:43] <helprescuinggrub> thank you sir for helping me fix my windows grub owverwrite problem. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_ChRoot was the only thing that finally worked- just now to boot thru grub to my ubuntu partition
[18:43] <letstrythis> dwl very much appreachiate the response ty
[18:43] <k1l> samrach: (tell to the channel, i got to leave in a few minutes)
[18:43] <samrach> k1l: core i7, ram 4G, AMD: 2G ... Brand Dell
[18:43] <dw1> samrach: try gnome no effects.. or lubuntu if you really want low power
[18:43] <mmazing> i have a feeling that Julinux's problem is merely a permissions issue, but im at work and don't have time to troubleshoot this
[18:43] <mopps> tht's effectively run as root, i would not call that a common way to admin a server  :-)
[18:43] <samrach> dw1:
[18:44] <letstrythis> yea the router can set it, but most let the adapters do their thing, aside from upnp hops and ttl...i don't have ttl routerside
[18:44] <Julinux> But for this the zabbix user must be in the right sudo group?
[18:44] <Julinux> madphoenix: But for this the zabbix user must be in the right sudo group?
[18:44] <samrach> Im so new to ubuntu so let me try installing gnome
[18:44] <dw1> letstrythis: http://askubuntu.com/questions/55883/how-can-i-adjust-internet-settings-such-as-ttl-rwin-and-max-connections
[18:45] <letstrythis> client side ttl seems to even persist past the ip...i think its set inside the packets
[18:45] <django> wtf why isnt my youtube volume working
[18:45] <letstrythis> oh hey
[18:45] <madphoenix> Julinux: no, you're authorizing the zabbix user in sudoers, not a group
[18:46] <madphoenix> Julinux: groups in sudoers are prefixed with %
[18:46] <samrach> what the requirement specs lowest for unbuntu ?
[18:46] <madphoenix> mmazing: it may be, but this sudoers setup for zabbix is very common, and specifically recommended in their documentation, section 7.3
[18:46] <dw1> samrach: not much, but different window managers take more or less power
[18:47] <Julinux> madphoenix: But if everything is right, because it gives permission error when I try one cat / dev / sda
[18:47] <mmazing> madphoenix: my bad, i've never used zabbix, i thought he was just referring to a random user named 'zabbix'
[18:48] <dw1> samrach: http://askubuntu.com/questions/65083/what-different-desktop-environments-and-shells-are-available
[18:48] <mopps> you don't want to cat /dev/sda, that's a device, not a file ... well I *assume* you dont't want to, but its hard to tell here
[18:48] <bekks> madphoenix: It may be suggested by zabbix - but it also opens up a security issue.
[18:48] <dw1> samrach: i use the gnome panel / classic / fallback
[18:48] <dw1> samrach: sudo apt-get install gnome-session-flashback -- then just choose on login page
[18:49] <dw1> samrach: its lighter than default Unity
[18:49] <dw1> samrach: but there is even lighter... xfce
[18:49] <dw1> samrach: or lxde ..
[18:50] <madphoenix> Julinux: can you tell us exactly what you're trying to do?
[18:51] <samrach> Yes so helpful
[18:51] <Julinux> madphoenix: Smartctl open device: /dev/sda failed: Permission denied
[18:52] <compdoc> samrach, I think installing ubuntu server, then the minimum Mate desktop works best :)
[18:52] <Julinux> madphoenix: I want to run this command with the zabbix user
[18:53] <madphoenix> Julinux: what is the smartctl command?
[18:54] <mopps> it's hard drive SMART monitoring
[18:54] <madphoenix> i know what it is, sorry i meant what exactly is the command you're using
[18:54] <mopps> it reads all the stuff the drive stores like power on hours, etc
[18:55] <compdoc> what is the smartctl command youre using?
[18:56] <Julinux> madphoenix: To check the smart hd, such as temperature, time connected, errors in reading and writing
[18:56] <madphoenix> Julinux:  I understand, but what is the exact command you're running to get the output you posted?
[18:56] <madphoenix> just "smartctl /dev/sda" ?
[18:56] <mopps> There are 264 users in #zabbix
[18:56] <mopps> Note the single hash
[18:56] <snow_ru> uh
[18:57] <Julinux> madphoenix: I'm trying to create a script for zabbix collect information from the HD temperature, but usually the zabbix user needs to run the smartctl command and the command needs the permissions and access to / dev / sda
[18:58] <madphoenix> okay, so to test that you could first become the zabbix user (sudo su zabbix), then run your command (sudo smartctl /dev/sda)
[18:58] <madphoenix> That should work based on the sudo config you posted.  You should also consider restricting it to just the smartctl program since using ALL opens up some security holes, as others here have rightly mentioned
[19:01] <jhfgui> need some help with managing music on an android phone with ubuntu. Like itunes but on ubuntu. I'm using a galaxy note 2 runing PAC 4.4.2 and ubuntu 14.04
[19:01] <Julinux> madphoenix: I know. the problem is that at the time the zabbix are collecting, he will not be able to use sudo-s to be able to login then collect.
[19:01] <Term1nal> Question... I have a MAAS setup with 1 controller and 2 nodes. (great!) now... the node status is "Allocated to <user>" so I assume everything is good, right? Well when I run the juju bootstrap, it says there are no matching nodes. People saying that the nodes need to be in the "Ready" status... but  mine say allocated.
[19:01] <madphoenix> Julinux: you shouldn't need to do that.  Just prefix smartctl with "sudo" in your script.  no need for a login shell
[19:02] <mopps> Julinux, have you also tried the official zabbix channel at #zabbix?
[19:02] <jhfgui> i tried the .is_audio_player file. it only partially worked in that it would show in rhytembox that a device was connected but when i clicked on the device rhythmbox force closed
[19:02] <jhfgui> what to you use to manage you music on and android phone using ubuntu?
[19:02] <Julinux> madphoenix: It is. I've done it! the problem is that the permission error / dev / sda
[19:03] <letstrythis> sudo gedit /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_default_metric_eth0 would making a setting here like this set my adapters metrics?
[19:03] <WolfLambert> What do you guys' Ubuntu desktops look like?
[19:03] <bekks> letstrythis: No.
[19:03] <madphoenix> Julinux: whats up with the spaces in / dev / sda?
[19:04] <Julinux> mopps: not nosy, I'm talking not of zabbix
[19:04] <Julinux> no
[19:04] <Julinux> madphoenix: no
[19:04] <bekks> letstrythis: What are you actually trying to accomplish?
[19:04] <Julinux> madphoenix: is /dev/sda
[19:04] <ravigehlot> I did a dist-upgrade on my Ubuntu and it update Grub to 2.02 beta test. I am not sure why it would update it to Beta. But that is where I am. I can't find GRUB_TIMEOUT anywhere. Where would it be at?
[19:05] <madphoenix> /dev/sda mode is brw-rw---- ?
[19:07] <Beldar> ravigehlot, gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub in here.
[19:07] <Julinux> madphoenix: brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 0 Mai  8 11:16 /dev/sda
[19:07] <madphoenix> Julinux: can you execute smartctl /dev/sda as your user with sudo?
[19:08] <Julinux> madphoenix: Yes, but it asks for password
[19:08] <ravigehlot> Beldar: there is no /etc/default. I have /etc/grub.d
[19:09] <ravigehlot> Beldar: nevermind ;)
[19:10] <Console> Hey there, is there a reason why “rm -rf DIRECTORY” wouldn’t work? It’s a symbolic link and I’m root
[19:10] <Beldar> ravigehlot, YOu found it I assume using the command, that is where you adjust grub most if the time.
[19:10] <ravigehlot> Beldar: After the change, how do I update grub?
[19:10] <nicnm> Console: who is the link owned by?
[19:10] <Beldar> ravigehlot, sudo update-grub in the terminal
[19:10] <madphoenix> Julinux: I'm stumped.  Did you enable selinux by chance?
[19:10] <xtbman> In Ubuntu 13.10, when I right click on a USB drive and click format, and then confirm the format, it switches to my home directory and doesn't change anything on the USB. Any ideas?
[19:11] <Console> nicnm: It’s owned by root
[19:11] <nicnm> then you need to be root, otherwise root won't let you do it :D
[19:11] <ravigehlot> Beldar: thanks man! you have been really helpful. appreciated it
[19:11] <nicnm> oh my bad
[19:11] <nicnm> read that wrong
[19:13] <Julinux> madphoenix: No, no selinux
[19:13] <madphoenix> thats the only time i've seen permission denied with the sudo config you posted, so i'm not sure where to go next
[19:13] <madphoenix> (when selinux is enabled, that is)
[19:14] <nicnm> Console: according to cyberciti.biz you `rm linkDirName` then `unlink linkDirName`
[19:14] <mopps> Julinux, are you logged in locally?
[19:15] <Julinux> mopps: No, remote
[19:15] <mopps> Julinux, That may be a factor
[19:15] <JuneBUG> Julinux ??
[19:16] <JuneBUG> are you the guy who created Julinux?
[19:16] <mopps> Julinux, Is this an ubuntu server with a standard config?
[19:16] <Julinux> mopps: That is not the case as I can with sudo asks for password when
[19:16] <Julinux> JuneBUG: ???
[19:16] <Julinux> mopps: Yes, standard
[19:16] <RippSteakface> Anyone here know of a way to adjust icon spacing on the desktop in Ubuntu/Xubuntu? These icons are way too far apart
[19:17] <mopps> Julinux, that is kind of weird. I'm confused too. You've double checked your sudoers file?
[19:17] <Julinux> mopps: The problem is not because I am accessing remote is permission issue
[19:17] <WolfLambert> RippSteakface: on the desktop or in the apps bar?
[19:17] <RippSteakface> on the desktop :)
[19:17] <Julinux> mopps: Look
[19:18] <nicnm> Console: you do have one strange problem, sorry I'm useless
[19:18] <RippSteakface> Trash, etc
[19:18] <WolfLambert> RippSteakface: you can right-click on the desktop
[19:18] <WolfLambert> And stop aligning icons
[19:18] <WolfLambert> Then you can place them manually
[19:18] <WolfLambert> I'll search if there's another way too
[19:18] <Beldar> RippSteakface, Try right clicking the desktop and turning off the organize desktop and keep aligned, in ubuntu at least
[19:18] <JuneBUG> Julinux so are you or are you not the guy who created the Julinux Distro?
[19:19] <RippSteakface> but there's no way to adjust the grid? it's way too big
[19:19] <WolfLambert> RippSteakface: I can't find that.
[19:19] <WolfLambert> It's not in the settings nor in Unity Tweak Tool
[19:19] <WolfLambert> But I don't use the desktop :)
[19:19] <Julinux> JuneBUG: Yes
[19:20] <JuneBUG> ahh
[19:20] <JuneBUG> have you released any recent Distro?
[19:20] <JuneBUG> I have not seen any
[19:20] <Julinux> mopps: My suders is
[19:20] <Julinux> mopps: zabbix          ALL=NOPASSWD /usr/sbin/smartcrl -A /dev/sda
[19:20] <WolfLambert> I think an op should kick "mywifewantcock"
[19:21] <mopps> Julinux, is that the only thing in the file?
[19:21] <WolfLambert> If you look at his whois… I don't think he's here for Ubuntu help
[19:21] <bekks> Julinux: So is it Julinux or Ubuntu you're currently on? :)
[19:21] <loa> WolfLambert, is it was hard to find that nick in all others?
[19:21] <WolfLambert> No it just joined
[19:22] <Julinux> mopps: yes
[19:23] <Julinux> bekks: Ubuntu Server
[19:23] <Julinux> bekks: Julinux Desktop
[19:23] <mistawright> I have been having issues with pac manager after updating to ubuntu 14.04 and i see that others are having issues with this as well. here is the issue i get when trying to use pac manager: Can't locate object method "new" via package "Gnome2::Vte::Terminal" (perhaps you forgot to load "Gnome2::Vte::Terminal"?) at /opt/pac/lib/PACTerminal.pm line 491
[19:23] <mistawright> has anyone else had this issue and resolved it?
[19:25] <Julinux> bekks: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ultumix/files/JULinOX_OS%20Revision%201/JULinOX_OS_ETPE_2013_Revision1.iso/download
[19:25] <bekks> Julinux: I wont download it.
[19:30] <mopps> Julinux, how is that working without a : after NOPASSWD?
[19:30] <Julinux> bekks: :(
[19:30] <mopps> Julinux, when i try to edit that with visudo it will NOT accept it
[19:31] <bekks> Julinux: It's nothing more than just another Wallbuntu, to me.
[19:31] <mopps> Julinux, You are using visudo to edit the sudoers file, and not editing it with your regular editor?
[19:32] <Julinux> mopps: I changed the permissions to 640
[19:32] <mopps> the permissions of what?
[19:32] <Julinux> bekks: :(
[19:33] <akurilin> Do you guys know if Amazon pulled 12.04 from their list of free AMIs in EC2?
[19:33] <akurilin> Looks like 14.04 is the only option now
[19:33] <Julinux> bekks: And ubuntu is nothing more than a walldebian. the catty version of debian
[19:33] <mopps> Julinux, the sudoers file you posted to me is parsed with a syntax error by visudo.
[19:33] <bekks> Julinux: No one forces you to use it.
[19:36] <mopps> Julinux, I am logging off now, but I am sure your sudoers file is not correctly formatted, or that you aren't using visudo to edit it. And this be where the problem is.
[19:36] <sbj> can I write a script around ssh so that it will run one command and exit?
[19:36] <sbj> ssh <host> "command" is behaving unexpectedly
[19:36] <bekks> sbj: Define "unexpectedly" please.
[19:38] <sbj> bekks: the command in that example (ssh <host> "command" should be run on the remote server, right?
[19:38] <bekks> sbj: Thats not an answer to my question.
[19:39] <madphoenix> mops: sudo wouldn't work at all, even for his other users, if /etc/sudoers was invalid, no?
[19:39] <bekks> madphoenix: correct.
[19:39] <sbj> bekks: sorry, allow me to be clear. I expect it to run that command remotely. Instead it appears to be running locally.
[19:40] <bekks> sbj: So can you provide details? Which command? What happens? What do you expect? How did you test it? Why do you use ""?
[19:41] <Julinux> And because the command that only root can run wheel when I put in sudoers, the only thing it gives error Perm is / dev / sda
[19:42] <sbj> bekks: certainly. I have a list of about 20 servers and I'd like to check the jdk on each. so I have a loop going through the servers in my ssh config, running the following for each: ssh <host> "echo $JAVA_HOME". When I ssh into the server and run the command there, $JAVA_HOME is different
[19:43] <bekks> sbj: I'd rather check  java -version  instead of $JAVA_HOME.
[19:45] <samrach> Is ubuntu from its official website good ?
[19:45] <sbj> bekks: eh, there were some other considerations that made JAVA_HOME a better check on each. at any rate I've discovered the problem
[19:45] <sbj> my local server subs $JAVA_HOME before running the ssh command
[19:45] <c5lij> Is it possible to move the VirtualBox VMs folder to another hard drive?
[19:45] <bekks> c5lij: Sure.
[19:45] <sbj> so it's just printing the $JAVA_HOME of local...
[19:45] <sbj> :)
[19:45] <c5lij> bekks how?
[19:46] <sbj> fixed with ssh <host> "bash -c 'echo $JAVA_HOME'"
[19:46] <bekks> sbj: Use: ssh <host> 'echo $JAVA_HOME'
[19:46] <bekks> c5lij: By just moving it, detaching all the disk files, and reattach them from their new location.
[19:47] <samrach> ubuntu server or desktop is better ?
[19:47] <c5lij> bekks okay
[19:47] <bekks> samrach: That depends on your requirements.
[19:49] <samrach> I think I need it for gaming and with graphic design
[19:49] <samrach> bekks: so which one fits both of them ?
[19:49] <bekks> samrach: What do you need a server for, then? :)
[19:49] <anushbmx> mysql in terminal shows
[19:49] <anushbmx> ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[19:49] <yorjo> g
[19:49] <yorjo> ?
[19:50] <Janusz> Hello. Is it possible to have alongside on one PC both Lubuntus: 14.04 and daily 14.10 (in case, if 14.10 won't work, then 14.04 will stand ready)?
[19:50] <samrach> maybe, with online games ?
[19:51] <brontosaurusrex> samrach, you want desktop.
[19:52] <craigbass1976> anushbmx, is mysql running?
[19:52] <anushbmx> yes craigbass1976
[19:52] <nicnm> samrach: desktop is what your looking for, cause its basically a server w/ a gui
[19:56] <craigbass1976> anushbmx, do you see any errors when you restart it?
[19:56] <nicnm> samrach: http://distrowatch.com/search.php?ostype=All&category=Gaming&origin=All&basedon=All&notbasedon=None&desktop=All&architecture=All&status=Active for almost all your gaming needs...almost
[19:58] <anushbmx> craigbass1976: when restarting it stops but it dosent start
[19:58] <anushbmx> it says fail
[19:59] <muslim> dffffffffffffffffffffff
[20:03] <craigbass1976> anushbmx, that's probably why you can't get in.  What's the error log ( t/var/log/mysql something ) telling you?
[20:04] <ibm> ubntu.it
[20:05] <anushbmx> craigbass1976: it dosent say much
[20:05] <anushbmx> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/qqG8v28Y
[20:09] <Jack_Laiwas__> Хая всем)
[20:10] <craigbass1976> anushbmx, was that the error log?
[20:11] <anushbmx> yes that is error.loh
[20:11] <anushbmx> error.log
[20:15] <anushbmx> craigbass1976: i think its time for me to sleep
[20:15] <anushbmx> can you type the solution if u can
[20:15] <anushbmx> will read it
[20:15] <ronaldsmazitis> hello, how to disable sleep after time
[20:16] <ronaldsmazitis> I kinda have it disabled but I'm using xfce because nautilus have no thumbnails in 14.04
[20:17] <ronaldsmazitis> so it does go to sleep anyway
[20:18] <xangua> ronaldsmazitis: Check your Energy settings, and I can see thumbnails fine in nautilus
[20:18] <ronaldsmazitis> well I upgraded from 12.04
[20:19] <ronaldsmazitis> had problems with mysql, php, apache, nautilus and energy aswell
[20:19] <ronaldsmazitis> before that qt apps suddenly wasn't working, now does
[20:19] <ronaldsmazitis> atleast
[20:21] <ronaldsmazitis> energy settings say it shouldn't go to sleep
[20:21] <ronaldsmazitis> help
[20:22] <ronaldsmazitis> anybody
[20:22] <ronaldsmazitis> nobody knows how to turn off sleeping
[20:22] <ronaldsmazitis> ?
[20:23] <smoovep> have you check the power options in the bios?
[20:23] <ryan_> Anyone alive?
[20:23] <ronaldsmazitis> both options in ubuntu settings is set to
[20:24] <ronaldsmazitis> never
[20:24] <ryan_> Oops nevermind somebody is alive.
[20:24] <ronaldsmazitis> why it goes
[20:24] <ronaldsmazitis> to sleep
[20:24] <ronaldsmazitis> I'M ALIVE
[20:24] <ryan_> I have  question: Is there a way to install like GNOME 3 and Keep Unity and I can change desktop sessions in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS?
[20:25] <ronaldsmazitis> YES
[20:25] <ronaldsmazitis> installing environment is just as easy as sudo apt-get install
[20:25] <SchrodingersScat> !ubuntu-gnome | ryan_
[20:25] <cyberalex4life> hello! /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libxcb-dri3.so.0: undefined symbol: xcb_send_fd
[20:26] <cyberalex4life> anyone know some fix to this in ubuntu 14.04
[20:26] <cyberalex4life> it is a wine problem
[20:26] <smoovep> should give you a choice at the login screen..
[20:27] <ryan_> Alright I will install Gnome 3 and see if it gives me a choice at the login screen
[20:28] <ronaldsmazitis> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/25133/ubuntu-server-continuously-goes-to-sleep
[20:28] <cyberalex4life> ryan: After gnome 3.8 got to ubuntu, i just can't leave without gnome-shell
[20:30] <smoovep> i installed kubuntu ontop of 14.04LTS i like the results...
[20:30] <samrach> Does ubuntu support programmes such Auto-Cad, Chief Architect ?
[20:31] <corkey> Hi everyone
[20:31] <EpicCyndaquil> samrach: check winedb if you want to run a windows program in linux (with some work), or alternativeto.net to look for other options
[20:32] <samrach> ok, bro.
[20:32] <samrach> thanks anyway
[20:32] <EpicCyndaquil> someone else might have some experience with those specifically though, samrach
[20:35] <willwh> samrach: the honest answer is, not very well
[20:38] <samrach> hmmm... maybe, still I need to use auto-cad on Wins 7 instead
[20:38] <samrach> ubuntu so good to use but lots of programs dont seem to support,
[20:41] <jtrucks> what file(s) contain dependency lists for installed packages?
[20:42] <jmadero> hi all - I've jumped in here a few times trying to resolve this and no one has the answer. I use two languages on my system, English is set in every location from what I can tell but GDM and some software (most notably Synaptic) show up in my second language
[20:42] <jmadero> making it impossible for me to have two languages installed
[20:42] <jhutchins_wk> jtrucks: What are you trying to find out?  What are you trying to do?
[20:42] <jmadero> (not fluent in the second language)
[20:42] <jtrucks> jhutchins_wk: trying to change the listed dependency so a package stops complaining. :)
[20:43] <jtrucks> it has a dependency pegged to a version but as it turns out that version is wrong.
[20:43] <jhutchins_wk> jtrucks: Report it as a bug and get it fixed.
[20:43] <jtrucks> so, somewhere I suspect I can change that without re-rolling the package.
[20:43] <jmadero> jtrucks: nope, you'd have to recreate the package
[20:43] <jmadero> and it's not recommended
[20:43] <jmadero> do you have an outdated package that it's complaining about?
[20:44] <jtrucks> it's not something that comes in the distro.
[20:44] <jmadero> much better to just get the dependencies correct
[20:44] <jtrucks> no, we're not rolling back to an older version of perl cuz they screwed up the package :)
[20:44] <jmadero> jtrucks: then report a bug, or repackage it
[20:44] <jmadero> if it's absolutely necessary
[20:44] <jtrucks> k thanks.
[20:45] <jtrucks> y'all rock. thanks tons.
[20:46] <zedrich> jtrucks: your welcome
[20:49] <cadeskywalker> exit
[20:51] <JonnyDamnnox> hey how can I install dkms without internet connection? how do I compile it?
[20:52] <jmadero> JonnyDamnnox: why do you want to compile it...?
[20:52] <new0> hey, why i can't join to #php?
[20:52] <jmadero> just download the debian packages
[20:52] <new0> it's say for invite only
[20:52] <jmadero> new0: no clue, I just joined
[20:52] <daftykins> new0: this is not freenode support, please ask in #freenode
[20:52] <JonnyDamnnox> I can't I need it for a drive for my broadcom bcm wifi
[20:52] <qwd> How can I remap Caps Lock to be Escape when pressed one and Ctrl when held down? I found a guide explaining how to do it with Xcape but for that I need to remap it to Ctrl in Keyboard Layout Settings first and that seems to be gone in Ubuntu 14.04.
[20:52] <new0> daftykins, ok. tnx
[20:53] <jmadero> JonnyDamnnox: did you google it?
[20:53] <JonnyDamnnox> I downloaded some dkms tar file but no instruction in the readme file
[20:53] <jmadero> well if it's normal
[20:53] <jmadero> ./autogen.sh
[20:53] <jmadero> or ./configure.sh
[20:53] <jmadero> then make
[20:53] <JonnyDamnnox> I use this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/175104/how-do-i-install-bcm43142-wireless-drivers-for-dell-vostro-3460-3560
[20:54] <jmadero> JonnyDamnnox: what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[20:54] <jmadero> this should not be needed any longer . . .
[20:54] <JonnyDamnnox> ehh the current version amd64 stable
[20:55] <jmadero> um well - according to those instructions those are debian packages
[20:55] <JonnyDamnnox> not needed? then why no internet connection in the installation?
[20:55] <jmadero> and it has the install instructions
[20:55] <raub> How do I do static IP in network manager? I thought you would just edit /etc/network/interface and restart NetworkManager
[20:55] <raub> 14.04 here
[20:55] <jmadero> raub: my understanding is you can't, one of the drawbacks from network manager
[20:55] <jmadero> I could be wrong though
[20:55] <jmadero> I know the Enlightenment people are trying to replace it in E17 because of the limitation
[20:56] <jmadero> JonnyDamnnox:  that's just a debian package "sudo dpkg -i .....deb"
[20:56] <jmadero> where .... is the package name
[20:56] <JonnyDamnnox> no, I need dkms as dependency
[20:56] <raub> jmadero: I was kinda following http://askubuntu.com/questions/246077/how-to-setup-a-static-ip-for-network-manager-in-virtual-box-on-ubuntu-server
[20:56] <JonnyDamnnox> cie*
[20:56] <jmadero> JonnyDamnnox: well again the instructions say that the current driver supports this....
[20:56] <jmadero> so I don't get why yours doesn't
[20:56] <jmadero> if you're running 14.04
[20:57] <nick0R0> Hello
[20:57] <JonnyDamnnox> what
[20:57] <raub> jmadero: I thought ubuntu is going to netowkr manager and systemd and there is not escape from that
[20:57] <JonnyDamnnox> broadcom is nonefree right?
[20:57] <jmadero> JonnyDamnnox: was that link you provided what you're trying to accomplish
[20:58] <jmadero> which seems to be getting support for a card in a Dell Vostro
[20:58] <JonnyDamnnox> this? : http://askubuntu.com/questions/175104/how-do-i-install-bcm43142-wireless-drivers-for-dell-vostro-3460-3560
[20:58] <jmadero> yes
[20:58] <JonnyDamnnox> ok...
[20:59] <jmadero> it says explicitly that as of 12.04 the driver supports the card
[20:59] <jmadero> so I don't get why you're trying to compile dkms
[20:59] <JonnyDamnnox> what do you mean? I don't have dkms installed now on my ubuntu
[21:00] <jmadero> yes but that doesn't answer why you have to compile it .....
[21:00] <jmadero> sudo apt-get install dkms
[21:00] <JonnyDamnnox> nope, I don't have internet
[21:00] <raub> jmadero: Lemme reboot the vm then and see if it will work. So windows...
[21:01] <nick0R0> Getting this crazy error after trying to update in terminal http://paste.ubuntu.com/7418258/
[21:01] <jmadero> JonnyDamnnox: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/core/trusty/main/base/dkms
[21:01] <jmadero> just download the debian package, put it on a thumb drive
[21:01] <smoovep> exit
[21:01] <jmadero> and install it with sudo dpkg -i ....
[21:01] <nick0R0> Looks bad, anyone know how to solve?
[21:01] <JonnyDamnnox> ok thank you
[21:01] <jmadero> you don't want to compile....trust me
[21:01] <JonnyDamnnox> I'm on another pc ;)
[21:01] <JonnyDamnnox> of course
[21:05] <nick0R0> Can anyone please help http://paste.ubuntu.com/7418258/
[21:06] <nick0R0> Crazy error http://paste.ubuntu.com/7418258/
[21:07] <jmadero> nick0R0: not really a crazy errror, you have dependency problems
[21:07] <jmadero> you'll have to track them down individually
[21:10] <nick0R0> jmadero: What's the lisb not configured yet business? Did typical google leg work, found nothing
[21:10] <jmadero> nick0R0: resolve the dependencies and I bet those will go away
[21:10] <R0-F> el
[21:11] <R0-F> Hello
[21:11] <R0-F> Hello?
[21:11] <sport_bill> nick0R0, try sudo apt-get install -f
[21:11] <shadykhan> hi
[21:12] <shadykhan> anyone know why when i fn + f3 my computer goes to sleep?
[21:12] <R0-F> Sorry, I am just testing out Xchat. So far I am confused as heck!
[21:12] <R0-F> join #trisquel
[21:12] <ponke> shadykhan: because the keys are bound to that
[21:12] <shadykhan> u have to do
[21:12] <shadykhan> "/join # chanenl"
[21:12] <R0-F> Sorry
[21:12] <shadykhan> ponke, has it always been like that
[21:13] <nick0R0> jmadero:  Can you be more specific - it says "depends on lsb-core (>= 4.1+Debian11ubuntu4)" for all
[21:13] <nick0R0> sport_bill: checking
[21:13] <ponke> probably not, computers are a fairly new invention
[21:13] <Ben64> nick0R0: pastebin the output of "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install -f"
[21:14] <jmadero> nick0R0: dpkg -s lsb-core | grep 'Version'
[21:14] <raub> Ok, rebooting made that work
[21:14] <shadykhan> ponke, its just strange f2 and f3 are for my brightness and they dont work kinda just left me confuse
[21:14] <shadykhan> confused*
[21:15] <Ben64> f3 is normally sleep
[21:17] <JonnyDamnnox> how do I freaking compile these packages?? http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/precise/firmware-b43-installer
[21:18] <jmadero> JonnyDamnnox: stop saying compile
[21:18] <jmadero> you're not trying to compile
[21:18] <nick0R0> Ben64: "sudo apt-get install -f" - http://paste.ubuntu.com/7418320/
[21:18] <JonnyDamnnox> they have no make or configure or whatnot
[21:18] <JonnyDamnnox> i don't have internet
[21:18] <puff> Afternoon.  I'm on 13.10.  I understand 14.04 LTS is available.  Can I upgrade to LTS simply by accepting the upgrade prompt, or do I have to do something special to switch to the LTS track?
[21:18] <JonnyDamnnox> on my other pc
[21:18] <jmadero> yes that's not compiling
[21:18] <jmadero> you're trying to install
[21:18] <jmadero> that's it
[21:18] <jmadero> you'll get bad advice if you use the wrong terminology
[21:18] <sport_bill> JonnyDamnnox, are you sure there are no wireless networks available in network manager?
[21:18] <CyberGabber> shadykhan: fn + f7 and fn + f8 don't work for brightness?
[21:18] <JonnyDamnnox> ok then where is the search page for installation packages?
[21:19] <jmadero> JonnyDamnnox: you see where it says "all"
[21:19] <JonnyDamnnox> I can't even choose one
[21:19] <jmadero> underneath firmware-b43-installer herunterladen
[21:19] <JonnyDamnnox> there is no wlan
[21:19] <shadykhan> CyberGabber, my toshiba has brightness at f2,f3 so thats why i was wondering
[21:19] <sport_bill> JonnyDamnnox, ok
[21:19] <jmadero> JonnyDamnnox: just click on "all"
[21:19] <jmadero> it'll take you to the servers that have the package, then you download the debian package and install it
[21:20] <jmadero> and this is not the same as compiling - just say you are trying to install without having internet access
[21:20] <JonnyDamnnox> ahh super
[21:20] <JonnyDamnnox> okok
[21:20] <JonnyDamnnox> I hope that works
[21:20] <jmadero> JonnyDamnnox: sometimes you'll see "all" sometimes you'll see some architecture
[21:20] <jmadero> then you'll have to choose between x_64 and i386
[21:21] <JonnyDamnnox> my brain explodes
[21:21] <nick0R0> jmadero: Version: 4.1+Debian11ubuntu4
[21:21] <jmadero> well, that looks right
[21:23] <JonnyDamnnox> gee I need b43 fw cutter first ok, I'm sure I'll find that
[21:24] <jmadero> JonnyDamnnox: yes installing this way sucks
[21:24] <jmadero> you could end up having to track down lots of dependencies
[21:24] <Ben64> nick0R0: where is sudo apt-get update?
[21:24] <jmadero> I still don't get why you're having to do this if you're running Ubuntu 14.04
[21:25] <jmadero> nick0R0: yes do sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get -f install
[21:27] <nick0R0> Ben64: "sudo apt-get update" http://paste.ubuntu.com/7418358/
[21:27] <jmadero> nick0R0: now sudo apt-get -f install
[21:30] <nick0R0> jmadero: "sudo apt-get install -f" http://paste.ubuntu.com/7418368/
[21:30] <jmadero> crap you did really break something
[21:30] <jmadero> what about sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:31] <Ben64> well there are repositories for maverick in there
[21:31] <jmadero> ah there is
[21:31] <jmadero> nick0R0: how did you add these old repos?
[21:31] <jmadero> and why
[21:31] <Ben64> and an unknown epson repo
[21:32] <jmadero> yeah your repos are messed up - not sure how you added them
[21:32] <jmadero> or why
[21:32] <jmadero> nice catch Ben64
[21:33] <Ben64> jmadero: thats why i like the pastebin for apt-get update :)
[21:33] <jmadero> nice trick - I'll remember that
[21:33] <jmadero> I thought you just were making sure it completed
[21:34] <ineedhelp> guys
[21:34] <jmadero> nick0R0: you never want to mix repos like that
[21:34] <ineedhelp> Help me please! :(
[21:34] <jmadero> and gals
[21:34] <jmadero> ineedhelp: please don't just come in and say help me please....
[21:34] <jmadero> ask your question
[21:34] <Ben64> ineedhelp: you'd definitely need to explain your problem in as much detail as possible in order to get help
[21:34] <ponke> help us help you
[21:34] <jmadero> yes - and include "guys and gals" ;)
[21:34] <jmadero> there are plenty of women in the room
[21:34] <ponke> at least 5!
[21:35] <jmadero> tjat
[21:35] <jmadero> that's "plenty" right?
[21:35] <jmadero> ;
[21:35] <jmadero> ;)
[21:35] <ineedhelp> jmadero and Ben64 did i break ubuntu 13.10?
[21:35] <jmadero> ineedhelp: please ask your question
[21:35] <jmadero> I don't know - did you?
[21:35] <jmadero> lol
[21:35] <ineedhelp> Last night i was updating it and half way through my laptop's battery died and it was half way through the upgrade
[21:35] <jmadero> yes probably broke it
[21:36] <jmadero> I did somethign similar a couple weeks ago - forgot I had thrown in a sudo shutdown -h 30
[21:36] <ineedhelp> jmadero would the GRUB repair option fix ubuntu or would the live cd be only choice
[21:36] <sigint88> hello al
[21:36] <sigint88> *all
[21:36] <jmadero> during an upgrade
[21:36] <jmadero> ineedhelp: grub repair might work but I tend to just fresh install
[21:36] <jmadero> hopefully you have your partitions right
[21:36] <jmadero> (ie. home partition and data separate from root)
[21:36] <jmadero> if not....that sucks
[21:36] <ineedhelp> ok
[21:37] <ineedhelp> thanks
[21:37] <Lannister69> !Xauthority
[21:37] <sigint88> i was wondering if i could ask for assistance on understanding smartmontools for ubuntu and WD HDD
[21:37] <Lannister69> !lightDM
[21:37] <Lannister69> !lightdm
[21:37] <Lannister69> !grub
[21:38] <Ben64> Lannister69: you can private message ubottu if you want to do that stuff
[21:38] <nick0R0> jmadero: Ben64 "sudo apt-get upgrade" - http://paste.ubuntu.com/7418391/
[21:38] <jmadero> I thikn "ineedhelp" thought I was an asshole ;)
[21:38] <jmadero> nick0R0: your problem is that you have bad repos
[21:38] <jmadero> and now you have conflicts apparently
[21:38] <dsnyders> Hi all!  Is there a way of selecting two windows and automatically tiling them on the desktop, rather than having to manually resize them?
[21:38] <Lannister69> Ben64 how do I private message anyone?
[21:39] <Ben64> Lannister69: usually /msg
[21:39] <jmadero> ooooooooops
[21:39] <nick0R0> jmazaredo: "Don't know how you added these old repos - and why?" Can you please explain?
[21:39] <jmadero> sorry moderator
[21:39] <jmadero> nick0R0: you have bad repos in your mix (maverick and that epson stuff)
[21:39] <nick0R0> jmadero: How did I get "bad repos"? and possible fix?
[21:39] <dsnyders> Lannister69: you could try right clicking on their name and see if there is an option there.
[21:40] <dsnyders> Missed him by that much!
[21:40] <TheKernel-work> Hi, I upgraded to 14.04 and I have 2 major issues. First issue is random windows will start flickering until I click something. I did some searching on ubuntu forums and I see others having this issue but no resolutions. Second issue is if my screen goes idle to my login screen and I try to type in the password to log back in, it does not accept the keys and I have to reset lightdm. I have not found this issue on the forums. Are these know issues wit
[21:40] <TheKernel-work> h fixes yet?
[21:40] <nick0R0> jmadero: Epson stuff came recently I believe attempting to install drivers for new printer
[21:40] <jmadero> yeah it looks like it - those are way out of date then
[21:40] <jmadero> and that's not surprising
[21:41] <nick0R0> jmadero: Printer does not work yet even after drivers were installed. Other problems subsequently followed
[21:41] <jmadero> yeah I think that repository borked stuff up
[21:41] <jmadero> hmmm
[21:41] <jmadero> Ben64: suggestions....I don't have any
[21:41] <nick0R0> jmadero: How do I fix repo situation?
[21:41] <jmadero> well the problem is packages were installed from them I think
[21:41] <jmadero> which is causing your probles
[21:41] <jmadero> problems
[21:42] <nick0R0> Ben64: thoughts?
[21:42] <JonnyDamnnox> if you don't use the internet while installing ubuntu they don't even install g++
[21:42] <jmadero> JonnyDamnnox: I told you it would be no fun....
[21:42] <Ben64> jmadero: i have to leave for work in like 2 minutes, but i'd purge all the packages from the epson repository especially and reinstall the normal ubuntu one(s)
[21:42] <jmadero> you can't connect it with a cord?
[21:42] <JonnyDamnnox> isn't there a whole offline package with everything that is needed?
[21:42] <jmadero> JonnyDamnnox: no - not without cloning a repo
[21:42] <jmadero> which will tick off Canonical
[21:42] <JonnyDamnnox> ohhh
[21:42] <jmadero> and waste days of time
[21:42] <slipnot> is there any guides on how to get a windows machine to see a ubuntu machine just to use the printer? I cant get the windows machine to see it.
[21:43] <JonnyDamnnox> no some version is different or whatever
[21:43] <JonnyDamnnox> I give up
[21:43] <JonnyDamnnox> good bye new laptop
[21:43] <jmadero> slipnot: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingWithUbuntu
[21:43] <slipnot> jmadero ill take a look thanks
[21:43] <nick0R0> Ben64: Thanks for your help. I'll give it a shot.
[21:43] <JonnyDamnnox> no=now
[21:44] <jmadero> JonnyDamnnox: you're running 14.04 on that new laptop?
[21:44] <nick0R0> Ben64: jmadero Proper way to purge packages from epson repo?
[21:44] <Ben64> i'm not sure if ppa-purge works on non-ppas
[21:44] <JonnyDamnnox> I downloaded the newest file from the ubuntu page
[21:45] <jmadero> it doesn't from what I recall
[21:45] <JonnyDamnnox> yep it is 14.04
[21:45] <jmadero> nick0R0: purging all from a certain repo isn't easy.....dang
[21:45] <jmadero> I mean a google search found this http://askubuntu.com/questions/37531/how-do-i-remove-all-packages-from-a-certain-repository
[21:46] <jmadero> but that's a scripting solution
[21:46] <jmadero> and might break other things :-/
[21:46] <nick0R0> jmadero: reading...
[21:47] <JonnyDamnnox> Is the new ubuntu version ok with the broadcom bcm43142 drive??
[21:47] <JonnyDamnnox> compatible
[21:47] <sport_bill> JonnyDamnnox, http://askubuntu.com/questions/459654/ubuntu-14-04-drivers-for-broadcom-bcm43142
[21:48] <JonnyDamnnox> ok thx
[21:48] <sport_bill> JonnyDamnnox, try to install this package http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/bcmwl-kernel-source
[21:49] <sport_bill> you can plug an ethernet cable to make your life easier until you get wifi working
[21:49] <jmadero> nick0R0: honestly this is a crappy situation :-/
[21:50] <jmadero> nick0R0: do sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:50] <jmadero> see if you see any maverick lines in there
[21:53] <daftykins> jmadero: advising to run graphical applications with 'sudo' is bad practice. 'gksu' / 'gksudo' should be used instead
[21:54] <david1> yo
[21:54] <daftykins> hello
[21:54] <david1> so I have some minor annoying unresolved dependencies
[21:54] <jmadero> daftykins: sure - I still don't get why it's bad practice but I know the rule
[21:54] <jmadero> I don't follow it myself ;)
[21:54] <david1> which I acquired when I upgraded to 14.04
[21:54] <daftykins> jmadero: heh, yeah i couldn't explain it either but i've seen it do bad things
[21:55] <david1> they all appear to be issues linked to dictionaries-common not upgrading properly
[21:55] <jmadero> lol
[21:56] <daftykins> david1: if you could use paste.ubuntu.com to share your output errors that'd be handy
[21:57] <david1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7418448/
[21:58] <Juesto> Hello, i have a big issue
[21:58] <Juesto> im trying to use gnome
[21:58] <Juesto> with unity installed
[21:58] <JonnyDamnnox> YEAH WORKED
[21:58] <Juesto> and all i get is an unloaded session, help
[21:58] <jmadero> Juesto: and what's the problem - IRC convention is to say everything in one go instead of 4 lines ;)
[21:58] <jmadero> what does unloaded session mean?
[21:59] <Juesto> its happening on 14.04
[21:59] <k1l> Juesto: choose gnome on login screen should work
[21:59] <JonnyDamnnox> I installed I installed bcmwl-kernel-source
[21:59] <Juesto> empty screen with nautilus.
[21:59] <Juesto> no gnome-shell or unity
[21:59] <david1> just tell us it all in one line
[21:59] <JonnyDamnnox> it was in conflict with this wireless-bmc blabla package
[21:59] <jmadero> Juesto: interesting . . . I've seen problems on 13.10 but on 14.04 works fine for me
[21:59] <jmadero> Juesto: how did you install gnome shell and did you upgrade?
[21:59] <Juesto> neither compiz, when i open a terminal to "debug" what happened i find that neither unity or gnome-shell has launched
[22:00] <akimsoccer> hey guys, im a linux noob, i haven't been updating for a while is maybe my current problem
[22:00] <Juesto> jmadero: 14.04 from the start
[22:00] <sport_bill> JonnyDamnnox, nice
[22:00] <daftykins> akimsoccer: yeah, not doing updates isn't good
[22:00] <k1l> Juesto: how did you isntall gnome? and how did you start that?
[22:00] <jmadero> akimsoccer: please just say the problem - . . .
[22:00] <JonnyDamnnox> oh I mean: I installed bcmwl-kernel source
[22:00] <akimsoccer> i got this error when i did sudo apt-get update
[22:00] <jmadero> pastebin!
[22:00] <akimsoccer> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com raring-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[22:00] <jmadero> ah
[22:00] <Juesto> installed lubuntu dvd then installed everything else with synaptic/package manager.
[22:00] <JonnyDamnnox> so now I can start the installation all over to get a new clean system ;P
[22:00] <Juesto> k1l: gnome is on ubuntu repos by default.
[22:01] <jmadero> akimsoccer: that just says that you have a ppa that isn't trusted
[22:01] <daftykins> akimsoccer: 13.04 is dead, you'll want to install 14.04
[22:01] <k1l> akimsoccer: raring is out of support. you should upgrade imidatly
[22:01] <sport_bill> JonnyDamnnox, isn't it clean now?
[22:01] <Juesto> .......
[22:01] <jmadero> akimsoccer: +1 to all of that - upgrade all the way to 14.04
[22:01] <Juesto> So?
[22:01] <akimsoccer> but i haven't been able to upgrade that is my problem
[22:01] <Juesto> help?
[22:01] <jmadero> akimsoccer: http://www.tecmint.com/upgrade-ubuntu-13-04-raring-ringtail-to-ubuntu-13-10-saucy-salamander/
[22:01] <k1l> Juesto: *sigh* did you install ubuntu-desktop, or gnome-shell only, or ubuntu-gnome-desktop?.....
[22:01] <jmadero> Juesto: sorry no clue
[22:02] <akimsoccer> im on linux mint 15
[22:02] <Juesto> k1l: its complex, want package list?
[22:02] <jmadero> oh....then no clue
[22:02] <akimsoccer> so can i upgrade then?
[22:02] <k1l> akimsoccer: please ask the mint support then
[22:02] <jmadero> +1
[22:02] <k1l> !mint | akimsoccer
[22:02] <JonnyDamnnox> no I installed all kind of stuff
[22:02] <JonnyDamnnox> kinds*
[22:02] <akimsoccer> ok thanks
[22:02] <Juesto> k1l: i went trough a complex package setup, i also excluded all ubuntu defaults "hacks"
[22:03] <JonnyDamnnox> ok how do I do this while the normal installation??
[22:03] <k1l> Juesto: its not complex. depending on what you installed there are known issues
[22:03] <jmadero> "complex package setup"
[22:03] <Juesto> ok, want the package list¡
[22:03] <jmadero> I think it's two commands....
[22:03] <Juesto> lol no.
[22:03] <jmadero> to install gnome shell through the ppa
[22:03] <k1l> Juesto: ok, so you changed a lot of stuff and now wonder that its not working as expected
[22:03] <jmadero> Juesto: I just did this like last week
[22:03] <jmadero> it is literally 2 steps
[22:03] <Juesto> k1l: Dont say its my fault.
[22:03] <jmadero> if you did more than that, then you did something harder than need be and likely borked your system
[22:03] <Juesto> And i think i have added the gnome3 ppa
[22:04] <Juesto> but not sure if it works
[22:04] <k1l> Juesto: if you cant even tell which packages you installed to get gnome desktop or what you changed, yes.
[22:04] <Juesto> GDM doesnt work properly
[22:04] <jmadero> Juesto: yes it does
[22:04] <jmadero> just how you installed it doesn't work
[22:04] <david1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7418448/
[22:04] <jmadero> it works for me just fine, along with KDE, Unity, and Cinnamon
[22:04] <k1l> Juesto: since ubuntu-gnome its very very easy to get gnome desktop working. so i wonder what you did
[22:04] <Juesto> not for me, it shows an empty screen with "transparent" top bar
[22:04] <jmadero> Juesto: yes because you did something wrong ;)
[22:05] <jmadero> Juesto: how did you install it
[22:05] <Juesto> Do i need to give package history?
[22:05] <jmadero> ie. what is this "complex method" that you used
[22:05] <nick0R0> jmadero: sudeo apt-get /etc/apt/sources.list - http://paste.ubuntu.com/7418468/
[22:05] <Juesto> jmadero: i went selecting packages trough synaptic
[22:05] <jmadero> what packages
[22:05] <jmadero> you literally need a single package (meta package)
[22:06] <nick0R0> jmadero: Google is giving me nothing. You're right this looks rather complicated
[22:06] <jmadero> nick0R0: you don't have root priv?
[22:06] <Juesto> well, yes i installed metapackage.
[22:06] <Juesto> im unable to properly explain this.
[22:06] <jmadero> Juesto: if you did more than this http://www.enqlu.com/2014/03/how-to-install-gnome-shell-desktop-in.html you did too much
[22:06] <jmadero> Juesto: go into terminal and do what that says to do
[22:06] <jmadero> maybe it'll fix itself
[22:07] <Juesto> Not sure, i also want xscreensaver instead of gnome-screensaver so that removes the metapackage
[22:07] <nick0R0> jmadero: Isn't it off by default?
[22:07] <poseidon> I'm using ubuntu 14.04
[22:08] <poseidon> How do I install php-gd library?
[22:08] <poseidon> apt-get install php5-gd says it doesn't exist
[22:09] <jmadero> poseidon: is this on a fresh install?
[22:09] <jmadero> nick0R0: yes it's off but you should have the priv.
[22:09] <nick0R0> jmadero: why am I not root?
[22:09] <Juesto> poseidon: you can try and search the packages with synaptic lol
[22:09] <jmadero> poseidon: no don't do that
[22:09] <jmadero> sudo apt-get update, then try the php-gd again
[22:10] <dw1> yeah, php5-gd should work......
[22:10] <Juesto> jmadero: Well, i dont want to have the default-settings packages, any tips?
[22:10] <k1l> !info php5-gd | poseidon
[22:10] <tapout> how do I 'rerun' the nemo-share install?   I don't want to remove the package, i just want to rerun it's install so the required paths are there.  I installed samba4, and purged it.. thus screwing up my nemo-share
[22:10] <jmadero> Juesto: no because I don't know what you broke, that is my best suggestion to try to fix it
[22:10] <nick0R0> jmadero: Strange : \ Simple way to rectify?
[22:10] <Juesto> How i find what is broken?
[22:11] <k1l> poseidon: please make a "sudo apt-get update &&sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" after that try to install it with "sudo apt-get install php5-gd"
[22:11] <jmadero> Juesto: just follow that single command, seriously
[22:11] <jmadero> something is broken, diagnosing it is going to take forever
[22:11] <Juesto> packages aren't broken, when i go "default" session it somehow collides
[22:11] <jmadero> run that and see if it fixes it
[22:11] <jmadero> Juesto: not much we can do when all you tell us is that you went into synaptic and installed packages
[22:11] <Juesto> jmadero: i ran it, i dont need any dep, its just that and ubuntu-gnome-default-settings
[22:12] <jmadero> Juesto: and you installed whatever it said to install?
[22:12] <Juesto> jmadero: i can paste dpkg history or apt or synaptic history if you need?
[22:12] <Juesto> Because i dont want the *-default-settings and gnome-screensaver some gnome and ubuntu metapackages get removed automatically
[22:13] <david1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7418448/
[22:13] <jmadero> Juesto: sorry I won't be able to help more, I can't dig through whatever packages you installed, I installed through a simple 2 commands
[22:13] <jmadero> and I know it works
[22:13] <Juesto> I can paste my history..... :/
[22:13]  * Juesto pastebins the logs
[22:13] <jmadero> Juesto: I won't know what caused the problem if I didn't do it the same way
[22:13] <jmadero> and I'm not willing to test it that way....I like my system working ;)
[22:13] <Molean> How can I get into grub from boot?
[22:14] <poseidon> k1l: I tried that
[22:14] <poseidon> it didn't work
[22:14] <RaBhl1984> hello every body
[22:14] <jmadero> poseidon: sudo apt-get update
[22:14] <poseidon> jmadero: yes, it is a fresh install
[22:14] <jmadero> then try to install
[22:14] <k1l> poseidon: please put the whole output into a pastebin
[22:14] <poseidon> I did that
[22:14] <k1l> !paste | poseidon
[22:14] <jmadero> poseidon: might be the repository you're running from
[22:14] <jmadero> poseidon: go into synaptic and select best repository
[22:14] <Juesto> Molean: if you installed the bootloader to a partition you have to mark the corresponding partition to active
[22:14] <jmadero> then run sudo apt-get update again
[22:14] <RaBhl1984> i have a question
[22:14] <daftykins> ask it
[22:14] <jmadero> ......GAH!
[22:14] <poseidon> and diwoops
[22:14] <poseidon> woops
[22:15] <Juesto> !ask | RaBhl1984
[22:15] <poseidon> I was doing php-gd after the update
[22:15] <jmadero> I have a question
[22:15] <poseidon> I needed php5-gd
[22:15] <jmadero> ;)
[22:15] <k1l> Molean: press left shift
[22:15] <JonnyDamnnox> HÄÄ I don't understand this, now I installed a new ubuntu installation and wifi pops up automaticly
[22:15] <Juesto> !ask | jmadero
[22:15] <Juesto> XD
[22:15] <jmadero> lol funny
[22:15] <nick0R0> Haha
[22:15] <Juesto> :P
[22:15] <jmadero> what is the meaning of life?
[22:15] <jmadero> answer that ;)
[22:15] <Juesto> Anyway, im going to pastebin stuff.
[22:15] <Juesto> !google
[22:16] <Juesto> !mol
[22:16] <Juesto> WTF
[22:16] <Molean> k1l Hold down or keep pressing, and when? I tried that anyway, it doesn't work. I've resorted to mashing a bunch of buttons over and over again after post where I MAY or may not get grub
[22:17] <Molean> k1l: Sometimes Ive resorted to turning off my PC during boot to get the grub menu up too, but I really shouldn't have to do that
[22:17] <RaBhl1984> when i command ./build-ca for generate ca.key for openvpn,  i have this message enerating a 1024 bit RSA private key
[22:17] <RaBhl1984> .................++++++
[22:17] <RaBhl1984> ...............................++++++
[22:17] <RaBhl1984> unable to write 'random state'
[22:17] <RaBhl1984> writing new private key to 'ca.key'
[22:17] <RaBhl1984> ca.key: Permission denied
[22:17] <unopaste> RaBhl1984 you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[22:17] <JonnyDamnnox> ok whatever it works :)
[22:17] <jmadero> RaBhl1984: PASTEBIN
[22:17] <jmadero> sorry no caps
[22:18] <JonnyDamnnox> OK THX YOU ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HELPED ME :) BYEBYE HAVE A NICE DAY
[22:18] <JonnyDamnnox> THX=THANK
[22:18] <jmadero> nick0R0: I'm out of ideas :-/
[22:18] <Juesto> Package history: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7418537/
[22:19] <LanDi> hey guys, I want to use pnmixer and mn-applet on my tint2... how can I get them ? what is the package name  ?
[22:19] <Juesto> jmadero, k1l ^^
[22:19] <Juesto> apt terminal output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7418543
[22:19] <k1l> Molean: hold left shift. that needs to be pressed right after  starting
[22:19] <Molean> k1l: You mean after post? I told you, it doesn't work
[22:20] <daftykins> someone the other day had a funky setup where it was right shift instead
[22:21] <daftykins> Molean: or perhaps you have a USB keyboard and you've got some conflicting BIOS settings?
[22:21] <k1l> Molean: well, the pressing can be quite tricky, depending on how fast the booting is
[22:21] <k1l> Molean: for old grub it was esc iirc
[22:21] <Juesto> Help?
[22:22] <nick0R0> jmadero: Appreciate your efforts. Thank you.
[22:22] <jmadero> nick0R0: sorry :-/
[22:22] <Juesto> Anyone?
[22:22] <Juesto> uh
[22:22] <Molean> Well moving on to my second issue, I had a video card die on me, I replaced it, but now I can't get to my desktop the normal way, I have to boot from USB flash drive or go through grub into graphics recovery mode
[22:22] <jmadero> nick0R0: keep asking around, someone else will be able to help I'm sure
[22:23] <Molean> I've tried alot of things
[22:23] <Juesto> guys?
[22:23] <jmadero> Juesto: likely to get booted if every 30 seconds you repeat yourself (no offense)
[22:23] <jmadero> if someone knows the answer they'll try to answer it
[22:24] <Juesto> i've pasted history.
[22:24] <jmadero> yes, and we all saw it, I still don't have an answer
[22:24] <Juesto> uh
[22:24] <jmadero> you did things different from me, the way I did it, worked, and it's the way recommended on virtually every website
[22:25] <Molean> This may be related http://pastebin.com/xrHCpEtm
[22:25] <Juesto> Well, lol i think its because unity and gnome-shell are colliding, any ideas?
[22:27] <Kamaris> Does anyone use 14.04 on a headless system and connect using vnc? I'm looking for any guides/tricks to help turn down / minimize the unity special effects and animations between windows/desktops. I have already disabled what i feel comfortable with in compwiz and it's still a little sluggish.
[22:27] <sport_bill> Molean, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[22:28] <Molean> sport_bill: Am I suppose to see anything happen after inputing that?
[22:29] <jmadero> cheers all, I have to run
[22:29] <compdoc> Kamaris, I do, but I cant do it with unity
[22:29] <Juesto> How i configure the unity-greeter?
[22:30] <Juesto> i want to set it up in a way system accounts can log in
[22:30] <Juesto> Also
[22:30] <Juesto> yep, i have a complex system
[22:30] <Juesto> i go against many linux philosophy, but its how i want it
[22:31] <sport_bill> Molean, it will create a new xorg.conf file
[22:31] <ernestbosom> n
[22:32] <Molean> sport_bill:  replacing the old one? Should I see any terminal messages when inputing it?
[22:32] <sport_bill> yes ti will be replaced
[22:33] <sport_bill> the command starts a wizard
[22:34] <jared_> hi
[22:34] <tapout> with nemo-share, when I browse networks in windows.. I never see the shares.. but if I do;   \\192.168.1.123 .. they pop up.  Why is that?
[22:35] <Juesto> Also, login is taking way too long for me
[22:35] <Juesto> And it seems that only login picker works fine
[22:36] <Juesto> Any attempt to start a session without lightdm or such fails
[22:36] <Juesto> Guys
[22:37] <k1l> Juesto: you say you changed a lot and know its wrong but you want it that way. on the other hand you say its not your fault. you got several confirms, that the standard way works.
[22:37] <Molean> sport_bill:  replacing the old one? Should I see any terminal messages when inputing it?
[22:37] <Juesto> k1l: Well, everything works as expected ONLY with lightdm,
[22:37] <Juesto> So
[22:37] <Juesto> im trying to use things in my own way
[22:38] <Juesto> k1l: I want "flexible" sessions i can use
[22:38] <Juesto> ...
[22:39] <k1l> Juesto: we cant fix things here that are not broken.
[22:40] <Juesto> my computer is not broken, its that im having issues using it as my way
[22:40] <Juesto> Can you help me understand stuff?
[22:40] <Juesto> i mean, why i cant use the system as such, why its not really flexible?
[22:40] <k1l> Juesto: no. we dont know what your way is. you keep repeating that you dont want it the way it works
[22:40] <Juesto> So?
[22:40] <k1l> Juesto: be specific!
[22:41] <Juesto> I want to be able to properly start
[22:41] <Juesto> the session i want
[22:41] <k1l> "my car doesnt  work" "what exactly doesnt work" "my car" ....
[22:41] <Juesto> from anywhere,
[22:41] <k1l> use a *dm. lightdm is the standard
[22:41] <Juesto> Why?
[22:41] <Juesto> also lightdm is kinda glitchy when launching it from console
[22:42] <k1l> thats what the ubuntu system is based on.
[22:42] <Juesto> it swaps back to the original tty
[22:42] <Juesto> and such
[22:42] <Juesto> Also, how i configure the unity-greeter?
[22:42] <k1l> Juesto: i dont mind feng shui when starting the session. lightdm works
[22:42] <Dvorovoi> hia all, what is samba used for?
[22:43] <Juesto> i have to use the gtk greeter because i need to type the user i want
[22:43] <k1l> give explicit issues with error messages or logs. and no: i feel like it is glitchy,.....
[22:43] <Juesto> k1l: Which logs you want me to put?
[22:43] <Molean>  had a video card die on me, I replaced it, but now I can't get to my desktop the normal way, I have to boot from USB flash drive or go through grub into graphics recovery mode  This may be related http://pastebin.com/xrHCpEtm
[22:43] <k1l> Dvorovoi: samba is the network share with windows systems.
[22:43] <k1l> !samba | Dvorovoi
[22:44] <Juesto> Why unity insists in using dmz-white?
[22:44] <Dvorovoi> thanks
[22:44] <Juesto> for cursor theme
[22:44] <k1l> Juesto: choose one issue (like the lightdm issue) and then collect data like errormessages etc. then work on it.
[22:45] <k1l> Juesto: and not just rant about ubuntu not praising the Juesto way.
[22:45] <Juesto> How? i have apport uninstalled because "System Program problem detected" was annoying. fyi
[22:45] <sinmed> hello
[22:45] <k1l> Juesto: ...
[22:46] <Juesto> k1l: what if there's no errors?
[22:47] <Juesto> How i see lightdm log?
[22:47] <ghostcow> Hey guys is anyone alive?
[22:47] <Molean>  had a video card die on me, I replaced it, but now I can't get to my desktop the normal way, I have to boot from USB flash drive or go through grub into graphics recovery mode  This may be related http://pastebin.com/xrHCpEtm Also I have no sound like this
[22:49] <pdo_fn14> !ask
[22:49] <k1l> Juesto: .xsession-errors in /home or sylog
[22:49] <Juesto> Where is the system tray for gnome-shell?
[22:50] <pdo_fn14> !patience
[22:51] <whoever> who has .xsession issue
[22:51] <Juesto> lol
[22:52] <whoever> who has ~/.xsession issue
[22:52] <k1l> whoever: what is your issue?
[22:53] <whoever> k1l: i don't have one just caught a post something about a ~/.xsession issue, and I was asking who had tha issue
[22:53] <whoever> i think its an easy fix
[22:54] <Juesto> k1l: syslog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7418638
[22:54] <k1l> whoever: Juesto got a lot of self caused issues
[22:54] <Juesto> whoever: I have stuff not really working as expected & the way i want to
[22:55] <Juesto> ...
[22:55] <lew> hi. i'm having some issues running ubuntu 14.04, after a few hours my cpu usage goes to 100%. when i check the processes it appears that nautalis is using it
[22:55] <lew> can someone help me to solve this
[22:55] <whoever> Juesto: rm ~/.xsession, ~/.xauth* , /.ICEautority and restart
[22:56] <miaqinas> hi everyone
[22:56] <Juesto> whoever: Why? my issue is about having "bad" default session, unity and gnome-shell seem to "collide" and im left without a desktop when i start via starx
[22:56] <Juesto> startx*
[22:57] <k1l> Juesto: dont use startx
[22:57] <Juesto> Also, only startxfce4 is working as it should
[22:57] <k1l> Juesto: as told before: start the *dm and choose the session there
[22:57] <Juesto> Only lightdm session selection works as it should
[22:57] <Juesto> wdm doesnt work properly either
[22:57] <Juesto> gnome-session effect is the same as startx one :(
[22:57] <k1l> Juesto: dont change everything that works and complain its not working.
[22:58] <whoever> JStoker: ah, I only caught part of it and assumed you got error server failed to start
[22:58] <Juesto> Well, everyone haves its own way to do things, right?
[22:58] <k1l> Juesto: no
[22:58] <Juesto> whoever: the x server does not fail to start.
[22:58] <Juesto> the problem is "inside" X. :P
[22:58] <k1l> Juesto: ubuntu is build to be started with *dm.
[22:59] <whoever> Juesto: well as above and k1l you should select your session from dm
[22:59] <k1l> Juesto: you are wanting to break things and then complain that its broken. ....
[22:59] <Juesto> What can i do? ubuntu philosphy doesnt fit with me
[22:59] <k1l> *sigh*
[23:00] <whoever> Juesto: what os(s) do/are you comm(ing) from
[23:00] <Juesto> I dont want to break things, i want them to work as expected and with flexibility
[23:00] <toriso> juesto, this is a ubuntu channel lol
[23:00] <willwh> Juesto: #debian
[23:00] <willwh> :P
[23:00] <sport_bill> Molean, what brand is the new card? (nvidia/amd)
[23:00] <Juesto> im debian user, and ubuntu user, my first distro is mandrake 9.04 (i know its dead :P), and im a windows user.
[23:01] <k1l> Juesto: they work as expected
[23:01] <Juesto> and a geeky user as you seen.
[23:01] <whoever> k1l: well i just asked what os or oses he is comming from , we'll see what he says
[23:01] <Juesto> k1l: What you mean? it shouldn't fail in random conditions basically
[23:02] <Juesto> whoever: ^ i have answered already
[23:02] <k1l> Juesto: dont use startx. use the *dm.
[23:02] <Molean> sport_bill: ATI
[23:02] <whoever> Juesto: ah, so they already work as expected, now if you said gentoo or arch , them I might believe you that it doesn't work as expected
[23:02] <k1l> Juesto: i am tired of saying that to you
[23:02] <sport_bill> Molean, have you installed catalyst?
[23:02] <Juesto> Well, arch sucks for me because of installer engine removal.
[23:03] <k1l> Juesto: if you want to do all things not the ubuntu way, ubuntu is not the right place?
[23:03] <whoever> k1l: i think he is use to <11.04
[23:03] <Molean> sport_bill:  I had catalyst before, but I cleaned it out, I think it was too advanced for the card I switched to (its a very old radeon, 7700)
[23:03] <Juesto> whoever: Nope, well i used 11.04 at first, but im on 14.04 XD
[23:04] <Juesto> i also used squeeze/wheezy
[23:04] <whoever> Juesto: startx has been replaced by dm years ago , and you just have to learn to accept it or break it and make it work Like years ago
[23:04] <gryg> Hello, is there any way to check which southbridge I have on motherboard?
[23:04] <willwh> ^
[23:05] <whoever> ok Juesto so startx does not exist on ubuntu
[23:05] <sport_bill> Molean, /etc/X11/xorg.conf file shouldn't be needed at all
[23:05] <Juesto> Oh, i have gnome3 ppa and gnome-shell height is unfitting. i have a 1366x768 screen and the UI seems accomodated for 1366x1024?
[23:05] <Juesto> whoever: IT DOES.
[23:05] <Juesto> All X tools still exists in the repos -.-
[23:05] <sport_bill> Molean, you can try to rename it to xorg.conf.backup for example and see if it works
[23:05] <k1l> Juesto: you are free to read into docs how to use the desktop sessions in a not supposed to be used way on ubuntu. but dont tell its broken or not working as expected
[23:06] <Juesto> link me, because i just cant understand this.
[23:06] <toriso> why using ubuntu if you want a minimalist distro
[23:06] <whoever> k1l:  I see what you mean , may i join you at the therapist ? :-)
[23:06] <Juesto> toriso: i use ubuntu because recommendation.
[23:06] <toriso> its not like like a newbee
[23:06] <k1l> whoever: startx is still included but ubuntu is based to start the desktops from the dm
[23:06] <toriso> you*
[23:06] <k1l> Juesto: go and figure!
[23:06] <Juesto> ... how lol
[23:06] <Molean> sport_bill: Well each time I try something, I have to deal with the extreme difficulty of getting into grub when I fail. Got any suggestions? Also got another suggestion then just renaming xorg so its not used?
[23:06] <Juesto> toriso: hmm, what?
[23:06] <whoever> k1l: yes , I was just tring to get him to stop tring to use what he shouldn't use
[23:06] <k1l> Juesto: you pretend you know what is best, so you should know about docs.
[23:07] <sport_bill> Molean, what has grub to do with X not starting?
[23:07] <toriso> Juesto: just never turn it off, you wont use startx....lol
[23:08] <Juesto> toriso: wtf u talking about...? :|
[23:08] <Molean> sport_bill: As I said before, I got to go through grub and graphic recovery mode to load my ubuntu
[23:08] <soundjack> hi everyone, I'm having problems installing ubuntu on a new machine (AMD A10 7700k + motherboard Asrock FM288X ITX+)… I boot with a live USB into "try mode" and then install from there, although I have to add "nomodeset" when booting from the USB otherwise it just hangs. After installing Ubuntu doesn't boot and gives me a purple screen followed by a black one… I suspect it's the graphics drivers but how can I add "nomodeset" to the installed Ubuntu?
[23:09] <RippSteakface> hm that's weird
[23:09] <sport_bill> Molean, so you use your arrow keys to select recovery mode?
[23:09] <k1l> !nomodeset | soundjack
[23:09] <Juesto> soundjack: chroot to the ubuntu install then edit /etc/defaults/grub to include nomodeset and set grub to use a specific GFX
[23:10] <k1l> soundjack: it works the same way as on live system. its just the grub where you need to add nomodeset
[23:10] <Juesto> soundjack: Oh, and bind /dev and /proc to update the grub with the new settings
[23:10] <red45923> soundjack, not an answer but whenever i get a problem with one live cd install on a machine i try a different live cd for a different distro, sometimes one works where another doesnt
[23:10] <k1l> Juesto: stop!
[23:10] <Molean> sport_bill I mash various keys after post over and over again, alt, ctrl, shift, esc, f1-f4. And if that doesn't work, I hit the power switch on the back of my PC while its loading
[23:10] <Juesto> How i remove the graphical "hacks" that grub comes with?
[23:11] <willwh> can someone just kick him? :)
[23:11] <willwh> terrible troll
[23:11] <Juesto> without having to edit the boot options manually
[23:11] <Juesto> WTF
[23:11] <Juesto> What i can do?
[23:11] <k1l> soundjack: no need to boot a live system and chroot. you can edit the grub kernel parameter just on boot. see the explanation
[23:11] <sport_bill> Molean, it says Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf in your log file
[23:11] <Juesto> Help me :(
[23:11] <k1l> Juesto: please stop your "advanced" knowledge in here
[23:11] <Molean> sport_bill: And?
[23:11] <whoever> k1l: now I am confused what Juesto is trying to do
[23:12] <Juesto> its annoying to edit grub options each time you boot, because you forget and end up in the problem...
[23:12] <Juesto> i only need help, period
[23:12] <soundjack> k1l: I'm not getting the grub menu even when holding shift during boot… I'm gonna try and edit the grub file using the live cd, I tried already but I think I added it to the wrong line
[23:12] <k1l> Juesto: he only needs to change it one time. then he can install the driver.
[23:12] <sport_bill> Molean, I suggested to rename that file as it's not needed, xserver will find the correct configuration automatically
[23:12] <Juesto> lol
[23:13] <whoever> Juesto: thats right ... and none of us are shrinks :-)
[23:13] <Juesto> i need someone to help me*
[23:13] <sport_bill> Molean, I also suggested to regenerate that file using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[23:13] <Molean> sport_bill: And if it fails like all the other things Ive been suggested to try, how do you recommend I get grub back up?
[23:13] <k1l> soundjack: hold left shift while booting
[23:13] <Molean> sport_bill: I tried that, it didnt do squat
[23:14] <Juesto> k1l: you missed that he is not able to get the grub via shift
[23:14] <sport_bill> Molean, grub is irrelevant
[23:14] <whoever> Juesto: i called dr. phill on your behalf .. he said he has an opening next week
[23:14] <Juesto> whoever: stfu you troller
[23:14] <Molean> sport_bill: I already told you its not
[23:14] <soundjack> ok added nomoedeset from the live cd, gonna restart and try
[23:14] <andreas_secondar> oh god, what am i doing here?  I am not good with computer
[23:15] <Juesto> andreas_secondar: Why are you even here? lmao
[23:15] <whoever> Juesto: dude you are the f'n troll here
[23:15] <andreas_secondar> i accidentally ubuntu.
[23:15] <Molean> andreas_secondar: If you wish to ask god something, might I recommend prayer, rather then IRC?
[23:15] <HoloIRCUser> ...
[23:15] <sport_bill> Molean, sorry then, someone else might be able to help you
[23:15] <Juesto> Fucking bullshit, this channel is for idiots
[23:15]  * willwh sighs
[23:15] <willwh> thank you
[23:16] <andreas_secondar> Actually, I'm just testing out a second xsession on my box to test out cinnamon
[23:16] <andreas_secondar> Anyone here use cinnamon on ubuntu ?
[23:16] <UbuntuBoy> hello all
[23:17] <Ubun7uDud3> Hello
[23:17] <k1l> andreas_secondar: cinnamon got removed from debian and ubuntu recently.
[23:17] <whoever> wow he was upset beacuse we wouldn't help him brake ubuntu to fix it for his amusment
[23:17] <soundjack> k1l: ok I added it now I get a login prompt (terminal) but it seems it's crashed, can't type anything
[23:17] <Molean> 	had a video card die on me, I replaced it, but now I can't get to my desktop the normal way, I have to boot from USB flash drive or go through grub into graphics recovery mode This may be related http://pastebin.com/xrHCpEtm
[23:17] <andreas_secondar> Thats not my point, there is a PPA and it works fine on ubuntu
[23:17] <andreas_secondar> My question is because window compositsitioning on the desktop (cinnamon) appears to be waaaaay more smooth than unity
[23:17] <andreas_secondar> which is my primary desktop
[23:18] <UbuntuBoy> new to the world of linux, just looking to meet others. i just installed Ubuntu 14.04 and love it.. just new too it all.
[23:18] <andreas_secondar> Seriously, feels like going from 30 fps to 60 fps
[23:18] <UbuntuBoy> does anyone have any good tricks or tweaks for a novice?
[23:18] <whoever> Molean: have you tried tty login, reconig xorg then rebooting
[23:19] <Molean> whoever: What is tty login?
[23:19] <robjloranger> UbuntuBoy: learn the to use the command line
[23:19] <whoever> UbuntuBoy: well how new are you and what  kinds of tricks are you looking for
[23:19] <andreas_secondar> UbuntuBoy, novice what? To linux? To pcs in general?
[23:19] <whoever> Molean: teminal no gui
[23:20] <John_Ripper> I need advice for partitioning software. I have an external HD with 2 partitions. the 1st partition has cruddy intrusive encryption software that installs itself on machines like a virus. I wanna get rid of it. I wouldnt dare plug it into windows
[23:20] <Molean> whoever: Try what with it? I've done things in that mode
[23:20] <UbuntuBoy> im new to liinux world. not computers. i just installed ubuntu 14.04 as a dual boot with my windows 8.1
[23:20] <whoever> Molean: reconfigur xorg ie X-Configure
[23:20] <sport_bill> John_Ripper, gparted
[23:20] <UbuntuBoy> ive been playing around with the different tweaks all week.. with the help of you tube lol
[23:21] <John_Ripper> Thanks sport_bill
[23:21] <Molean> whoever: To clarify what I already said, I am currently logged in now, through graphics recovery mode via grub. I also need help getting grub up, what buttons to press when. Shift doesn't seem to work
[23:22] <Molean> whoever: I've tried a few different things involving changing xorg
[23:22] <andreas_secondar> UbuntuBoy, If you are using Windows 8.... you don't know squat about pcs. Not hating on you, I think Microsoft had most of their shit together up until Windows 7.
[23:22] <xangua> !language | andreas_secondar
[23:22] <andreas_secondar> sry.
[23:22] <IdleOne> andreas_secondar: Keep the language clean please and stay on topic.
[23:23] <whoever> meitnerium: is it the open or closd source driver that your using
 like i said im just starting out.. i dont know too much but i learn very quick.. and starting to like linux every day i use it..
[23:24] <andreas_secondar> So does anyone happen to know why Cinnamons windows compositing  seems soo much smoother than Unitys? I just on a whim installed Cinnamon today for fun on my 13.10.. the desktop has way more "fps"
[23:24] <soundjack> need some more help with the nomodeset option… I can't get into the grub menu by holding shift for some reason, after adding nomodeset I got a login prompt (non-graphical), after rebooting I now get the black screen again, any ideas?
[23:24] <sport_bill> Molean, you can configure grub not to hide the boot menu
[23:25] <whoever> Molean: hit f8 will booting to get the ubunu recovery menu , then recover, and does that fix it
[23:25] <sport_bill> Molean, more info here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Configuring_GRUB_2
[23:25] <Molean> whoever: f8 is used by my motherboard for a drive boot selection menu
[23:26] <Molean> and no grub comes up when I use it
[23:26] <whoever> UbuntuBoy: there arn't any realy tweaks just user preference that you will get over time
[23:26] <Molean> whoever:  What do you mean "then recover"?
[23:26] <mopps> andreas_secondar, Ubuntu unity requires 3d acceleration.
[23:27] <whoever> Molean: yes but ones you get past the bios splash screen you can use f8 to get into the ubuntu recovery mode
[23:27] <andreas_secondar> UbuntuBoy, an operating system is only the ground beneath your feet of what you want to do. A good OS assists and doesn't impede your goals. A bad one slows you down. Just think of something you want to do.. and see if you can.  Suggestions, learn about and use ZFS. It is the filesystem of the future, and it runs well and stable on Ubuntu. Backup your data if you value your time.
 yes im realizing that. with the help of you tube sad to say, ive been able to get my desktop the way i like
[23:27] <whoever> Molean: there is a menu asking what kernnal to recover , I select generic
[23:27] <andreas_secondar> mopps, running a Nvidia GTX 780
[23:28] <willwh> I'm sure someone at nvidia is crying :)
[23:28] <willwh> a 780 in a linux box
[23:28] <willwh> not that is a bad thing, I have a 760 gt here :P
[23:28] <mopps> andreas_secondar, Do they work with linux?
[23:28] <willwh> but you know, directX and all that ;)
[23:28] <andreas_secondar> mopps, sure great..
[23:28] <willwh> mopps: there are native nvidia drivers yeah
[23:28] <willwh> work very well
[23:28] <whoever> UbuntuBoy: and once you get things the way you like it, then look at clonezilla se to make an image of it
[23:28] <andreas_secondar> mopps,  but to be completely honest
[23:28] <willwh> my 760 works real nice
[23:28] <Molean> whoever: Not sure what you're talking about with the kernal and generic. Should I hold f8 down or keep pressing it over and over?
[23:28] <mopps> 760 isnt a 780
[23:28] <andreas_secondar> i went from a 560 to a 780
[23:29] <soundjack> now i get "usb 4-5: string descriptor 0 reado error: -22" …. anyone knows what this is?
 thanks for the tips
[23:29] <andreas_secondar> and unity didn't improve by much
[23:29] <andreas_secondar> games and whatnot of course.
[23:29] <mopps> why do you think you would notice an improvement in the desktop? a 560 is way overpowered for it
[23:29] <UbuntuBoy> and you do <andreas_secondar>
[23:29] <django> how does skyrim run on ubuntu 12.04
[23:29] <UbuntuBoy> to*
[23:29] <whoever> Molean: http://askubuntu.com/questions/150367/how-do-i-boot-into-recovery-mode
[23:29] <andreas_secondar> django, haven't tried it yet.. :D
[23:30] <andreas_secondar> mopps, well I tend to have abotu 10 desktops with a couple hundred chrome tabs + 5- 30 programs running
[23:30] <casshern> hi
[23:30] <andreas_secondar> when i want to use some of the things like  show all windows and stuff, compiz stil chokes hard
[23:31] <mopps> andreas_secondar, is this an exaggeration?
[23:31] <Molean> whoever: I told you, shift doesn't work, and the rest I already knew and doesn't tell me much, definitely doesn't tell me what you were talking about
[23:31] <casshern> any one who has installed grub-customizer on xubuntu 14.04
[23:31] <andreas_secondar> mopps, no.
[23:31] <mopps> So what do you have in your 200 chrome tabs?
[23:31] <whoever> Molean: try this one http://askubuntu.com/questions/172319/how-can-i-start-in-safe-mode
[23:31] <andreas_secondar> mopps, i specifically switched from windows to linux because it can't handle my amount of workload
[23:32] <neil__> andreas_secondar,  sudo schedtool -R -p 1 `pgrep compiz` <-- try that
[23:32] <John_Ripper> I need advice on some problems I have had with ubuntu. I want to use it more often but it overheats when I am programming and just shuts off on me. This never happens with windows. Is the os just not using the fan properly?
[23:32] <andreas_secondar> mopps, well, could be anything from managing my servers to a shit ton of reddit tabs
[23:32] <neil__> after installing scedtool
[23:32] <neil__> schedtool*
[23:32] <mopps> May I ask why you don't have multi monitor?
[23:32] <IdleOne> andreas_secondar: keep the language clean
[23:32] <mopps> (apart from the fact that it doesn't work properly in gnome, of course :-)
[23:33] <andreas_secondar> mopps, I do sir, I have 2, wish i had 3.. works fine for me in gnome3 and unity so far
[23:33] <andreas_secondar> oh and a big one is when I'm web developing
[23:33] <andreas_secondar> tons of pages open
[23:33] <mopps> Doesn't work for me since Trusty, font rendering is broken on the non-primary display
[23:33] <andreas_secondar> neil__,  give me a second and I'll see if it seems to make a difference.. gotta switch to my unity session though
[23:34] <whoever> Molean: for as much time as you have spent tring to fix it may be just as quick to reinstall
[23:34] <Molean> whoever:  Only one kernel type to choose from, if I understand what you are talking about correctly
[23:35] <poseidon> Anyone here use varnish?
[23:35] <poseidon> when I go to wp-admin it redirects me to :8080/wp-admin
[23:35] <poseidon> with wordpress
[23:35] <red45923> John_Ripper, I would google your machine + fan + ubuntu - maybe there is a driver for the fan that is not installed by default or a setting for the fan something like that - but usually others have had the same problem and google finds it
[23:36] <UbuntuBoy_> hey all
[23:37] <Molean> whoever: So any suggestions other then renaming xorg?
[23:37] <Chaos_Zero> hey some
[23:38] <UbuntuBoy_> what time is it there?
[23:39] <navyqueries> hi all
[23:39] <navyqueries> is there a #cryptography or equivalent irc i can join for a question about public key cryptography
[23:39] <andreas_secondar> neil__, no, didnt make a differenct
[23:39] <andreas_secondar> neil__, no, didnt make a difference
[23:39] <neil__> mm k
[23:39] <k1l> !alis | navyqueries
[23:39] <andreas_secondar> neil__,  the thing is, its not "bad"
[23:40] <andreas_secondar> neil__,  its just not great.. you know like when a program is written in java instead of optimized c
[23:40] <neil__> yep
[23:40] <andreas_secondar> i primary use unity so far.. just trying out cinnamon and was taken by surprise that the desktop rendering was more smooth. !!
[23:41] <neil__> hmmm
[23:42] <archimedes_> Wifi connection keeps cutting out, also removing my wifi network from network manager. Only restart brings it back, anyone else having this issue?
[23:44] <Molean> whoever: How can I rename xorg?
[23:45] <akaWolf> hello, guys! when I try to open application under root, I've got an error: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0
[23:45] <sport_bill> Molean, sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[23:45] <mopps> akaWolf, You're not supposed to do that
[23:45] <akaWolf> mopps: ?
[23:45] <mopps> akaWolf, use gksudo
[23:46] <akaWolf> mopps: I try. and got exactly the same
[23:46] <UbuntuBoy_> where can i go in ubuntu 14.04 to make my windows transparent ?
[23:46] <daninoz> hey guys
[23:47] <mopps> akaWolf, Did you login to the GUI as root
[23:47] <neil__> UbuntuBoy_, sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager if u havent already
[23:48] <UbuntuBoy_> i have installed compizfig already
[23:48] <akaWolf> mopps: no. I try "$ gksudo putty"
[23:48] <k1l> akaWolf: what? why as root, and why putty?
[23:48] <mopps> akaWolf, Do you're logged in via an xterm only? That would make sense, you're trying to open a graphical app and the terminal cant do that
[23:49] <mopps> akaWolf, wait what?
[23:49] <akaWolf> k1l: I need to connect to Serial Connection (ttyS0)
[23:49] <k1l> akaWolf: what do you want to do anyway?
[23:49] <mopps> akaWolf, sorry i misread the completey. you'r in a gui, and want to run putty with root?
[23:49] <akaWolf> mopps: yep
[23:49] <k1l> akaWolf: and why putty?
[23:50] <mopps> isnt putty windows only?
[23:50] <akaWolf> k1l: I used that program before. I know, how to use that.
[23:50] <akaWolf> mopps: nope
[23:50] <k1l> akaWolf: which protocol do you need?
[23:50] <akaWolf> k1l: Serial
[23:50] <k1l> akaWolf: putty is for windows. ubuntu got a lot of build in programs for ssh etc
[23:51] <k1l> akaWolf: what about the terminal?
[23:51] <akaWolf> k1l: not only for windows
[23:51] <k1l> akaWolf: its a bad windows habbit to use putty on linux
[23:51] <andreas_secondar> akaWolf, you are right, there is putty for linux
[23:52] <andreas_secondar> akaWolf, but as a long time putty user can i suggest PACSManager
[23:52] <akaWolf> k1l: ok. when I try to open gedit as sudo, I've got the same error
[23:52] <k1l> yes, there is one putty for linux. but that doesnt mean you have to use it :/
[23:52] <akaWolf> k1l: and forgot for putty
[23:52] <k1l> akaWolf: dont use sudo and GUI
[23:52] <Molean> How do I change the volume of the login sound?
[23:52] <akaWolf> k1l: gksudo didn't work
[23:53] <akaWolf> also
[23:53] <akaWolf> andreas_secondar: ok, thanks, I try
[23:53] <k1l> gksu gedit
[23:53] <andreas_secondar> akaWolf, that display error usually occurs because you are trying to run an X application in a terminal window that isn't an X Terminal window
[23:53] <akaWolf> andreas_secondar: and?...
[23:53] <sport_bill> akaWolf, what is the output of echo $DISPLAY
[23:53] <andreas_secondar> akaWolf, are you running from within X or from a console?
[23:53] <mopps> this is actually surreal
[23:54] <akaWolf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7418816/
[23:54] <andreas_secondar> akaWolf, are you in Xwindows?
[23:54] <akaWolf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7418819/
[23:54] <AceDiggitty> hello
[23:54] <akaWolf> andreas_secondar: I'm in KDE and use a Konsole as terminal
[23:55] <John_Ripper> red45926 I need to open up my laptop to figure out what fan it uses. Its not the same fan that came with the laptop. I had to replace it last year. but I will try looking for  a driver on google
[23:55] <Glycan> Is there a way to close an arbitrary window?
[23:55] <AceDiggitty> is there any way to force the ubuntu intaller to use MBR instead of GPT?
[23:55] <Glycan> I'm messing around with Pygame and forget to close my windows properly
[23:56] <akaWolf> sport_bill: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7418819/
[23:56] <akaWolf> andreas_secondar: KDE use a X Server
[23:56] <andreas_secondar> John_Ripper, you aren't looking for a driver for the fan, you are looking for the ability to read and control your sensors which control the fan
[23:57] <Molean> How do I change the volume of the login sound?
[23:57] <andreas_secondar> John_Ripper, start here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/22108/how-to-control-fan-speed
[23:57] <sport_bill> akaWolf, hmmm
[23:57] <andreas_secondar> John_Ripper, and here http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man8/fancontrol.8.html
[23:57] <andreas_secondar> akaWolf, I'm still thinking about that.
[23:57] <akaWolf> andreas_secondar: what is PACSManager?
[23:58] <andreas_secondar> akaWolf,  its a program like putty but more powerful
[23:58] <sport_bill> akaWolf, you can use alt-f2 and the command
[23:58] <andreas_secondar> akaWolf, give me a second
[23:58] <akaWolf> ok
[23:58] <Glycan> Can someone answer my question, please?
[23:58] <akaWolf> sport_bill: I know, but this is not that case
[23:59] <andreas_secondar> akaWolf, my bad its pacmanager
[23:59] <andreas_secondar> http://sourceforge.net/projects/pacmanager/
[23:59] <akaWolf> andreas_secondar: yeah, thanks
[23:59] <andreas_secondar> sorry doot