[00:59] <ahoneybun> hey jose how is the new site going?
[00:59] <jose> ahoneybun: hey! I pretty much like it, it's very stable, but we've still got some things to look after
[01:00] <ahoneybun> jose, I see ovidiu-florin is looking to edit it even more with html/css with the help of the evolve theme team who made the theme 
[01:00] <ScottK> apachelogger: Both accepted.  Thanks.
[01:01] <jose> ahoneybun: not sure how that's going to go, haven't heard from him in a good while
[01:01] <jose> but I can help with whatever needed, just let me know :)
[01:03] <ahoneybun> tbh I have been out for a while as well I'm on Ubuntu right now
[01:05] <jose> I've always been on Ubuntu :P
[01:41] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1317115] language kcm doesn't write env setup script @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1317115 (by Tim Edwards)
[06:16] <soee> good morning
[06:22] <Riddell> morning soee 
[07:29] <Riddell> ScottK: it's not been decided if we'll ship with plasma 1 or plasma 5, I'd be all for shipping with plasma 5 if it's at all sane
[07:47] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:51] <Riddell> it's olivier!
[07:51] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, how are you doing?
[07:52] <Riddell> nervous, got a plasma beta due today, wonder if I can do it successfully
[07:53] <Riddell> just some little tars, how hard can it be?
[07:53] <lordievader> I'm sure you will be successful :)
[07:54] <lordievader> I mean look at Trusty, that right there is proof that you and the rest of the Kubuntu team are capable of awesome!
[08:37] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1312895] Cannot login into KDE after upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1312895 (by HugoHirsch)
[08:44] <lordievader> maysara in #kubuntu has trouble installing ufw-kde, he/she gets this error: http://paste.kde.org/pkhwmkwsb Is that a packageging issue or is it his/her system?
[08:51] <apachelogger> lordievader: system, they have a ufw-kde version from a foreign source apparently
[08:51] <lordievader> Ok, I'll pass it along.
[08:52] <Quintasan> \o
[08:52] <Riddell> "trying to overwrite '/usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.kde.ufw.policy', which is also in package build 20140504-1" looks like something they've installed
[08:53] <Riddell> lordievader: if they run dpkg -S /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.kde.ufw.policy they might find out what it is
[08:53] <Riddell> or they can just force the matter with  dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/ufw-kde_0.5.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[08:58] <lordievader> Problem solved, thanks apachelogger, Riddell.
[09:37] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[09:37] <ovidiu-florin> jose: the progress with the theme should be on the mail list.
[09:37] <ovidiu-florin> I've been colaboratig with Robert in getting the child theme going
[09:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: "Two existing ~kubuntu-developer members need to vouge for the candidates abilities to conclude the application process"
[09:41]  * shadeslayer fixes to vouch
[09:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it's a wiki
[09:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: le fixed mate
[09:43] <apachelogger> nice
[10:13] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: this might trike as an odd question, in your "new wiki" email, what was the first word you wrote?
[10:15] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: french greeting ~= hi
[10:15] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: salut ?
[10:17] <ovidiu-florin> I just wanted to make sure, because it's the same in romanian, and I suspected Kmail tried to translate the email somehow. Since I've seen this before.
[10:17] <apachelogger> kmail translating emails would be fancy
[10:20] <shadeslayer> ^^
[11:09] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:45] <ScottK> Riddell: I thought we did decide.
[11:47] <Riddell> I don't think it's been discussed too much
[11:47] <Riddell> we're got a meeting on monday to kick off that discussion
[12:03] <yofel> FWIW, I'm for first keeping it in a PPA for testing and do the final decision some time before FF.
[12:03] <yofel> (I wouldn't mind putting a TECHPREVIEW stamp on 14.10 but I'm not sure if that's the best thing to do)
[12:11] <Quintasan> yofel: You know, 4.0 also had the TP stamp on it and everyone started bashing
[12:11] <Quintasan> :P
[12:11] <yofel> hency my opinion on this ^^
[12:11] <yofel> -y
[12:16] <Riddell> Quintasan: with 4.0 we released two versions of kubuntu, 1 the LTS with KDE 3 and 1 with big warnings with 4.0
[12:16] <Riddell> but now we've just had an LTS
[12:16] <Riddell> so we can put the big warnings on the main release
[12:16] <Quintasan> Riddell: I do realise that the thing is that Technical Preview doesnt stop anyone from using that and the proceding with bashing
[12:20] <Riddell> it's also questionable if we want to put technical preview on a main kubuntu release
[12:34] <apachelogger> actually
[12:34] <apachelogger> people didn't bash 4.0 on kubuntu
[12:34] <apachelogger> they did however for 4.1 which IIRC we shipped by default in the release after LTS
[12:35] <yofel> 4.1 was in intrepid, right
[12:35] <apachelogger> so it does in fact make a difference whether you put an unpolished software stack on a secondary ISO that people may choose to test, or whether you offer it to people as a regular release ISO
[12:39] <allee> Is it intentional that in precise the upgrade from kde 4.12 -> 4.13 does not install baloo pkg? 
[12:40] <apachelogger> if I had a say in it there would not have been 4.13 for precise :P
[12:41]  * yofel thought we at least had a recommends on baloo *somewhere* other than the metapackage
[12:43] <yofel> Quintasan: btw. any news wrt. sddm?
[12:43] <yofel> there was some rather confusing posts on the debian RFP/lp bug
[12:49] <Riddell> hasn't shadeslayer packaged sddm that for the neon5 iso?
[13:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I have, though it needs work
[13:42] <Odur_> Dang... I,ve found a regression in 14.04
[13:42] <shadeslayer> Odur_: hm?
[13:43] <Odur_> When I hotplug my USB headset it only get registerd by pulseaudio as stereo output, but if it's connected while booting it's stereo duplex
[13:45] <Riddell> Odur_: does it work otherwise?
[13:45] <Riddell> I don't know what stereo duplex means
[13:45] <Odur_> both input and output
[13:46] <Odur_> This time it gets registred as Mono Input, but no output... Erratic behaviour
[13:46] <Riddell> it's been my experience that sometimes it works and sometimes not so much
[13:47] <Odur_> Riddell: So, if I boot with the headset connectet it's just fine, but if I connect it after login it's just output OR input only, It has worked flawless in both 13.10 and 13.04
[13:48] <Riddell> Odur_: it'll be the change to gstreamer 1.0
[13:49] <Odur_> Ok, so gstreamer handles hardware Initialization?
[13:50] <Riddell> Odur_: phonon-gstreamer should set it up with pulseaudio
[13:50] <Riddell> it's all horribly complex
[13:50] <Riddell> ask apachelogger where to send bugs
[13:50] <apachelogger> to mikey mouse
[13:51] <apachelogger> Odur_: you'll want to report a bug against pulseaudio
[13:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: he will?
[13:51] <Riddell> for something that worked with phonon-gstreamer 0.10 ?
[13:52] <Odur_> :)
[13:52] <apachelogger> oh
[13:52] <apachelogger> I don't see the relation tbh :P
[13:52] <Mamarok> so apparently we have some transcoding problems on Amarok on Trusty, could somebody check this, please? -> https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=115&t=120863&p=310135#p310135
[13:52] <apachelogger> phonon gstreamer is not the only thing that changed in 14.04 :P
[13:53] <Mamarok> I can transcode OK, and I don't remember having installed anything extra, but maybe that was a long time ago and some dependencies changed
[13:53] <apachelogger> the thing is, phonon/gstreamer do next to no hardware fiddling, so if stuff shows up incorrectly in the phonon KCM that is most likley a problem with pulseaudio and/or the driver
[13:53] <Mamarok> since I use Amarok from git I can't really judge
[13:54] <Odur_> apachelogger: That was my first thought too
[13:54] <apachelogger> Mamarok: nothing we can do about that, ffmpeg is a foundations thing
[13:55] <apachelogger> he probably should file a bug against libav, but I doubt they will care much and say amarok needs support for avconv
[13:55] <Mamarok> apachelogger: gah...
[13:55] <Mamarok> couldn't we do a trick by dragging in ffmpeg? There is a transitional package
[13:56] <apachelogger> that transits to libav-tools
[13:56] <apachelogger> and from what I heared the commandline args are simply different
[14:03] <Odur_> Hmm.. alsamixer sees both input and output
[14:39] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: ping
[14:42] <Riddell> hi Etriaph 
[14:42] <Etriaph> Hi Riddell!
[14:42] <Riddell> Etriaph: are you helping ovidiu-florin with the new website?
[14:43] <Etriaph> Riddell: Ya, trying to.  The theme that's been chosen has turned out to be a bit obtuse when creating a child theme, so we've done some back and forth on options
[14:43] <Riddell> Etriaph: why does it need a child theme? (what does that mean exactly?)
[14:44] <Etriaph> Riddell: WordPress allows you to create a child of another theme (inherits the parent CSS, JS, display header/footer, in theory); however, Evolve doesn't take nicely to it.  Some of the CSS doesn't come across and the Bootstrap usage for the caroussel is enitrely broken.
[14:45] <Etriaph> Evolve is both a GPL and commercial theme, so getting support from them is not easy.
[14:45] <Etriaph> Riddell: A child theme is created when you want to add your own CSS but want to ensure you can still get updates from the parent safely
[14:47] <Etriaph> Riddell: But... it doesn't quite work. :)
[14:47] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion kde4libs 4.13.1
[14:47] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1317937
[14:49]  * Etriaph will be right back
[14:54]  * Etriaph has returned.
[14:55]  * ovidiu-florin is here
[14:55] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: pong
[14:55] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: G'day!  Nothing yet from the Evolve team.  
[14:56] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: We can fork this by doing an SVN export of the 2.9.1 version, but I'm not sure we can fork it in their SVN
[14:56] <ovidiu-florin> we don't have to get access to their SVN
[14:57] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: The solution I had come up with involving making symbolic links to those folders will work just fine if they update the theme.
[14:57] <ovidiu-florin> we can just get the current version and start our own repo
[14:57] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: I like that Ideea
[14:57] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: Well that's what I meant, do an SVN export and create a repo elsewhere.
[14:57] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: Do you want to see it working?  I can give you a link to my local machine.
[14:58] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[14:58] <Etriaph> k, one sec, gotta configure router
[14:59] <Etriaph> http://99.224.66.135/
[15:00] <Etriaph> In this case, updating Evolve is still fully possible as they likely won't move those folders.  I would setup a staging vhost though just to be sure.
[15:01] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: it does not look right here
[15:02] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: Can you take a screenshot for me?  Just want to know what you're seeing
[15:04] <Etriaph> http://wstaw.org/m/2014/05/09/plasma-desktopLG2343.png is what I get
[15:04] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: http://postimg.org/image/vu84pd4jh/
[15:05] <Etriaph> Can you view the source and pastebin me what's in the <head> tags?
[15:05] <Etriaph> The vhost I use is kubuntu.dev, it's in my hosts file, it may just be a name resolution issue.
[15:05] <Etriaph> If you add that to your hosts file it might clear it up
[15:08] <kfunk> Etriaph: wow. what theme (window / borders style) is that?
[15:08] <Etriaph> kfunk: qtCurve, my own theme
[15:08]  * kfunk wants
[15:08] <Etriaph> kfunk: Give me a sec and I'll throw it on kde-look
[15:15] <Etriaph> kfunk: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=165190
[15:15] <Etriaph> Includes the background too.
[15:16] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: If you do: sudo echo "99.224.66.135     kubuntu.dev" >> /etc/hosts
[15:17] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: It should clear it up.  I'm assuming that $_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'] is being used in the head to make the links
[15:18]  * Etriaph will be right back, need to save toddler
[15:21] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: yup, it works now
[15:24] <kfunk> Etriaph: awesome, thanks
[15:28] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: OK, so if you want to avoid forking it, you can create the symlinks as I'd mentioned in the email.
[15:28] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: ok, I'll do that for now
[15:28] <ovidiu-florin> Great suggestion
[15:28] <Etriaph> But if you're a stickler for security in the webserver (as I would be) make sure to make a <Directory> entry allowing symbolic links to be followed.
[15:28]  * ovidiu-florin is feeling low today
[15:28] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: I feel low every day, fibromyalgia
[15:29] <shadeslayer> I feel low every day too, I'm on earth
[15:29] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: Knocked me out of work about a year ago, still waiting to get into a pain clinic to learn to live with it; upside is I have loads of free time on disability to help out with stuff :)
[15:30] <Etriaph> shadeslayer: Low is relative depending on where you live above sea level :)
[15:30] <shadeslayer> pretty sure Barcelona is at sea level
[15:30] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: OK, so I'll start taking a look at the other tasks then
[15:30] <Etriaph> shadeslayer: I would say so :)
[15:34] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: The remaining list looks like a lot of hands on with WordPress, aside from the accordian.  Are you looking to source an accordian plugin for this?
[15:38] <Etriaph> kfunk: np, hope you enjoy it :)
[15:39] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: not really
[15:40] <ovidiu-florin> that code was written by a friend and it's inserted in the post as JS
[15:40] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: OK, is there anything else that I can do to assist you?
[15:42] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: let me see
[15:43] <ovidiu-florin> did you see the email I sent to Octavio?
[15:44] <ovidiu-florin> yesterday
[15:45] <ovidiu-florin> it's on the mail list
[15:45] <Etriaph> Yes, but I had held off taking any action as I figured he might.
[15:45] <Etriaph> And I can't login to Etherpad for link 2
[15:47] <Etriaph> I'm not design-impaired, so I can give some of this a shot.  Let me see what I can come up with in the next couple of days regarding layout (link 4) and if I can find a way to get into link 2 I might tackle what I see there too.
[15:52] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: OK, I have a good chunk of stuff I can work on with link 2 and 4 from that email; I'll consider a way to implement and have more information probably by Sunday.  If everyone can agree on the layouts/solution I come up with I'll grab the ball on them.  Sound fair?
[15:53] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: you need a KDE identity account to see that etherpad
[15:53] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: Yup, just set it up :)
[16:08]  * Riddell out
[16:09] <Riddell> ninjas: please get packaging :) http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma-4.96.0/
[16:11]  * genii sips his coffee and wonders if there's a hutch.19inch.net
[16:16]  * Etriaph wonders that too now
[16:25]  * BluesKaj doesn't wonder
[16:25] <BluesKaj> :)
[16:38] <Etriaph> kfunk: How's that theme working out for you?
[16:38] <Etriaph> kfunk: I like feedback :)
[16:46] <kfunk> Etriaph: still trying it out. I need a day or so to get used to it. :)
[16:46] <kfunk> looks promising so far, didn't use your color scheme, though
[16:46] <kfunk> the color scheme is a bit too monochrome for my taste
[16:47] <Etriaph> kfunk: It should work well with any colour scheme.  I originally used a colourful one, but I tend towards something that doesn't distract me from work
[16:48] <Etriaph> kfunk: Would like to see what colour scheme you chose if you happen to have the file handy.
[16:48] <kfunk> sure, sec
[17:02] <kfunk> Etriaph: http://imagebin.org/309895
[17:02] <Etriaph> That's a great colour scheme, would you mind adding it to kde-look.org at some point?
[17:03] <Etriaph> I've never tried using 'Upload Scheme'
[17:03] <Etriaph> I don't know if that's opendesktop as a whole, or if it partitions it to the correct site
[17:06] <kfunk> Etriaph: tab widgets (the tabs themselves) look a bit odd in your style. could use a bit more padding.
[17:06] <Etriaph> Ya, I couldn't figure out how to make tabs look great; I wanted to flatten them out and round them a bit more, just didn't see where to do it.  It took me about three hours to get it to where it is.
[17:08] <kfunk> Etriaph: http://pastebin.kde.org/pev1fsrjp
[17:08] <kfunk> (derived from Oxygen, afair)
[17:09] <kfunk> but yeah, thanks for sharing the qtcurve style
[17:09] <kfunk> gotta go 
[17:09] <Etriaph> Take it easy
[17:57] <Elv1313> Hello, is it possible to fast track bug #1316612 ? It was reported 3 time this week and the "just run it as root for now" solution isn't very secure given it is a network facing process. The patch has already been tested by affected users
[18:48] <Quintasan> yofel: shadeslayer did some work on top of my packaging and I forgot to ask ScottK if he would be willing to look at getting that into Debian instead
[18:49] <yofel> looked at the RFP? Someone changed that to ITP at some point, but now it's a RFP again
[18:49] <Quintasan> yofel: Nope.
[18:51] <Quintasan> yofel: You don't have the bug no. anywhere handy, do you?
[18:51] <yofel> I had it somewhere, give me a moment
[18:52] <yofel> debian 703519
[18:54] <Quintasan> yofel: Thanks
[18:54] <yofel> yw
[19:06] <Quintasan> ScottK: Please take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~blue-shell/sddm/netrunner-packaging and see if there is anything big preventing us from having that in Debian if you have time
[19:17] <Elv1313> ScottK: Hi, can you fast-track bug #1316612 , it got reported 4 time in the last week, at affect more and more users as time goes on, it is expodentailly problematic
[19:57] <ScottK> Elv1313: Someone needs to upload it first.
[19:58] <Elv1313> ScottK: who do I have to ping?
[19:59] <ScottK> Subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to the bug.
[19:59] <ScottK> Otherwise maybe one of the other devs here will have time.
[20:06] <Elv1313> ok, thanks