[00:36] <petri4kov> hi all
[00:37] <petri4kov> anyone here deep enough in understanding ubuntu touch, and doesn't mind telling what is left to be done in the whole system?
[00:37] <petri4kov> I have a university project which must include the future plans for ubuntu touch
[00:39] <RAOF> petri4kov: Hm, what do you mean?
[00:39] <petri4kov> well
[00:39] <petri4kov> I'm not really sure myself
[00:40] <petri4kov> but I must write about what is to happen with ubuntu touch in the future
[00:40] <petri4kov> in developer point of view
[00:40] <petri4kov> let's say for example, implement that or this
[00:42] <RAOF> Well, a bunch of stuff is on blueprints.launchpad.net.
[00:43] <RAOF> And there's stuff like the core-apps stuff on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps
[00:44] <petri4kov> well
[00:44] <petri4kov> core apps is just another section of the project
[00:44] <petri4kov> this one is for future development plans
[00:45] <petri4kov> i looked over the stuff at launchpad
[00:46] <petri4kov> seems like a really big bunch of stuff
[00:46] <petri4kov> :D
[00:47] <petri4kov> I gave it deeper look now
[00:47] <petri4kov> It seems like it will do a part of the job
[00:47] <petri4kov> :)
[00:58] <kenvandine> petri4kov, another suggestion would be to hang out in #ubuntu-touch-meeting on fridays
[00:58] <kenvandine> there are a series of meetings on each of the core apps
[00:59] <kenvandine> to discuss status
[00:59] <rsalveti> slangasek: uploaded a new qtubuntu-gles and we also should have the remaining bins in new as well
[01:00] <kenvandine> petri4kov, i don't have the full schedule, but i know the trojita developers meet at 1300 UTC tomorrow
[01:00] <petri4kov> kenvandine, thanks that would be really helpful, but unforutnately I have to pass the paper on saturday
[01:00] <petri4kov> :D
[01:00] <kenvandine> petri4kov, so you could just watch what they discuss to get an idea of what still needs to be done
[01:00] <kenvandine> ok
[01:00] <petri4kov> as always in the last minute
[01:01] <kenvandine> it a pretty broad topic to get a handle on quickly
[01:01] <RAOF> #ubuntu-touch is presumably logged?
[01:01] <petri4kov> yeah
[01:01] <kenvandine> oh right
[01:01] <kenvandine> you could read the logs for last weeks meetings
[01:02] <kenvandine> the meetings are in #ubuntu-touch-meeting
[01:02] <petri4kov> for now I need to generalize what needs to be done
[01:02] <petri4kov> like I can think of not draining battery power so qiuckly
[01:02] <petri4kov> I will give those log a shot
[01:02] <petri4kov> *logs
[01:52] <techdoc> Hi, I'm trying to boot my phone into the bootloader, but for some reason it does not want to do that.
[01:52] <techdoc> does anyone of you know what might be causing this?
[02:05] <slangasek> sergiusens: nuntium sponsored/accepted
[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[07:36] <trupti> in Your first Autopilot test, I am unable to install  libautopilot-qt python-autopilot
[07:36] <trupti> i am using ubuntu 12.04
[07:49] <popey> mpt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sound#Phone seems to have no options for setting alarm / notification sounds which are not text messages, e.g. for clock. Is that something which should be in there, or should be in-app?
[07:50] <mpt> popey, that’s a good question. I don’t know.
[07:51] <mpt> Normally I’d say that’s a per-app setting. But for sounds in particular it may be useful to see them listed together, so that you can (for example) make sure you aren’t using the same sound effect for two unrelated things.
[07:52] <popey> on iOS it's all in one place - "Sounds" for baked in apps.
[07:53] <popey> but each app also has its own settings.
[08:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Lost Sock Memorial Day! :-D
[08:24] <mardy> loicm: hi! I updated https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/lp1296728/+merge/218617
[09:10] <Sossiger> hi
[09:11] <Sossiger> hello katie
[09:11] <Sossiger> nice everybody is very talkative here
[09:15] <mandel> Elleo, because the other branches are waiting for approval I have decide to request a silo just with the qml change, as soon as it is created and tested I'll let you know
[09:30] <Elleo> mandel: okay, thanks
[09:35] <popey> mpt: the reason I ask is that we're currently using the ringtone, which is confusing, can nik90 (clock dev) get guidance on where the setting should go?
[09:37] <ogra_> is it actually the ringtone ? i thought it is "a ringtone" not even from the set of rigtones from the phone
[09:45] <nik90> ogra_: I thought the alarm ringtone was the same as when receiving a call, no?
[09:45] <nik90> ogra_: atm we are discussing with mpt where the setting to change the alarm "sound" should go..in the settings app or the clock app
[09:46] <ogra_> well, it surely isnt the same for me but i think my system isnt default anymore
[09:47] <mpt> popey, nik90: I suggest putting it in the clock app for now. But remember, where the setting should go is a different issue from the default being confusing.
[09:47] <nik90> mpt: agreed they are two different issues
[09:48] <nik90> mpt: should each alarm be given the ability to choose their ringtone or do we go with one sound for all alarms?
[09:49] <mpt> nik90, a separate sound for each alarm would be useful. The alarm to wake me up may be more strident than the alarm reminding me to take my painkillers. :)
[09:49] <ogra_> nik90, btw, a way to make the alarm go off *before* the actual appointment time wuld be very helpful too
[09:49]  * ogra_ perfers to be notified 5min before a meeting starts 
[09:49] <nik90> mpt: ok
[09:50] <nik90> ogra_: hmm I think that should be a calendar app feature and not the clock..to provide a way to remind about an appointment few minutes before
[09:50] <nik90> ogra_: I don't think you would want alarms to do that
[09:50] <ogra_> oh, right, i thought you talk about calendar
[09:50] <nik90> clock
[09:51] <ogra_> yeah, sorry
[09:51] <nik90> np
[09:51] <ogra_> alarms are perfectly fine when they are on time :)
[09:51] <nik90> ogra_: :) I would be angry if my alarms woke me up 15 minutes earlier than the intended time
[09:51] <ogra_> hehe
[09:52] <nik90> popey: ok so that is settled..I will add the ability to set the alarm sound in the "add alarm page"...if the user doesn't choose anything it will default to the system ringtone.
[09:53] <popey> great
[09:54] <ogra_> hmm
[09:54] <ogra_> i cant find any tone that even matches what i hear on alarms
[09:54] <ogra_> (or calendar notifications)
[09:55] <ogra_> i wonder where that tune even comes from ... it surely isnt in the list to select from
[09:56] <nik90> ogra_: You will have to ask charles then where he chose that sound then :)
[09:56] <ogra_> probably someting some Qt module ships or so
[09:58] <popey> nik90: src/snap.cpp:#define ALARM_SOUND_FILENAME "/usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo/phone-incoming-call.ogg"
[09:58] <popey> hard wired in indicator-datetime
[09:58] <ogra_> hmm, why is that sound not in the list
[09:58] <popey> nik90: so maybe file a bug in clock with a task on i-d
[09:58] <popey> as that will need changing
[09:58] <ogra_> (not that i'm eager to use that awful sound though)
[09:59] <nik90> ogra_: If I vaguely remember, that's not the folder the settings app displays for the list of ringtones
[09:59] <ogra_> yeah
[09:59] <nik90> popey: ok..will create a bug
[09:59] <popey> nice one
[09:59] <ogra_> well, we shouldnt ship it if you cant use it
[09:59] <ogra_> just wastes space
[10:03] <seb128> the fact that it's not used by the settings doesn't mean that the package is useless
[10:03] <seb128> we need to check if any of the sounds shipped in the binary is used by code we run
[10:04] <ogra_> indeed
[10:19] <nik90> seb128: was it you or someone else who did the sound listing in the UI? Just asking so that I could follow a similar approach in the clock app.
[10:20] <seb128> nik90, me
[10:20] <nik90> seb128: is it possible to list the files using pure QML? Or do I need to add a C++ plugin?
[10:21] <seb128> nik90, no need of cpp iirc
[10:23] <nik90> seb128: ok..I will be most likely listing the ringtones in an option selector using http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qml-folderlistmodel.html
[10:23] <seb128> right
[10:24] <seb128> nik90, but ringtones might not be what you want to list
[10:24] <ogra_> yeah, notification sounds rather
[10:25] <nik90> seb128: true..I need to first look at all the sound folders available and choose the correct one
[10:25] <seb128> well, notifications are not great either
[10:25] <seb128> they are the messages' sound
[10:25] <seb128> usually quite short, not mean to loop either
[10:25] <seb128> ideally we would get some alarm sounds
[10:25] <ogra_> true
[10:26] <nik90> seb128: where can I find the sound folders? On my trusty machine, I went to /usr/share/sounds
[10:26] <nik90> seb128: however I cannot findn the phone ringtones there
[10:26] <nik90> seb128: basically I need to show the same sounds folder that is present on the phone and the desktop
[10:27] <seb128> nik90, that's the correct folder
[10:27] <nik90> seb128: otherwise the clock app wont work on the desktop
[10:27] <seb128> well, expect it has subdirs
[10:27] <nik90> it has ubuntu, alsa, freedesktop
[10:27] <nik90> the ubuntu folder has only the folder stereo
[10:28] <nik90> inside which are the ringtones that are not shown on the phone
[10:35] <seb128> nik90, right, stereo is the old desktop set of sounds
[10:35] <ogra_> nik90, i see a ringtones and a notifications folder
[10:35] <seb128> notification/ringtone are the new ones we got for touch
[10:35] <ogra_> next to "stereo"
[10:35] <seb128> ogra_, those are not on desktop atm
[10:36] <ogra_> ah, right
[10:36] <seb128> but we can install ubuntu-touch-sounds on the desktop iso
[10:36] <nik90> seb128, ogra_: Is there a package that I can add as a dependency to the clock app to have the phone ringtones installed on the desktop as well?
[10:36] <seb128> ^
[10:37] <nik90> seb128: ok..I think that's the best solution
[10:37] <seb128> well, "best"
[10:37] <seb128> those sounds are still not good ones for alarms
[10:37] <ogra_> well, and make someone add an alarms dir to that  package too ;)
[10:37] <nik90> for now*
[10:37] <seb128> I don't want a ringtone or a sms sound to wake up
[10:38] <nik90> ogra_: yes...I will request popey to talk to the design team for that
[10:38] <seb128> +1
[10:38] <seb128> we should also talk to mpt about getting a design to import custom sounds
[10:38] <ogra_> ++
[10:38] <seb128> I know kenvandine said he wanted to look at that
[10:38] <nik90> +
[10:38] <seb128> we can import through the content-hub, we just need a design for the workflow
[10:38] <ogra_> and we need some click package design so devs can provide "soundtheme" packages too
[10:39] <nik90> ooh I get to play with content-hub then..awesome
[10:39] <ogra_> and wallpaper collections :)
[10:39] <ogra_> (or rather lockscreen collectios since you cant change the wallapaer anymore)
[10:39] <seb128> speaking of which, we need to update the settings
[10:40] <seb128> we are sure than the ability to customize the bg is not coming back?
[10:40] <ogra_> yeah :(
[10:40] <seb128> Laney emailed Mark about it, but no news since
[10:40] <ogra_> i think you will still be able
[10:40] <ogra_> but it only will shine through in the small stripe between header and app content
[10:40] <ogra_> pretty useless imho
[10:40] <nik90> ah :(
[10:40] <seb128> :/
[10:40] <ogra_> (at least that is what i was told when i asked)
[10:41] <Laney> haha
[10:41] <seb128> it would be nice to be able to have the bg of the lenses as an image
[10:41] <nik90> it would have been nice to have a blurred user background shown in the dash..but too bad
[10:41] <Laney> I don't think it's the end of the matter
[10:41] <ogra_> well, ask design, i'm probably not up to date with that
[10:41] <ogra_> but it came up in my ranting thread about the back button placement on the ml
[10:41] <seb128> design keep changing their mind on lot of topics
[10:41] <seb128> so let's see
[10:42]  * ogra_ wishes theyy would change it for the back button :P )
[10:42] <nik90> lol
[10:42] <Laney> I talked to Rick about it and he said it'd be easier to resolve that in person so we can raise it at the sprint
[10:42] <ogra_> fistfights !
[10:42] <seb128> k
[10:42] <mpt> Pillow fights!
[10:42] <ogra_> (with fluffy gloves indeed)
[10:43] <seb128> the pillow ideas seems a better one ;-)
[10:43] <ogra_> less damage you think ?
[10:43] <ogra_> :)
[10:43] <seb128> well, depends who is on the other side :p
[10:43] <ogra_> haha, yeah
[10:49] <ogra_> dbarth, did you see my last comment on bug 1307533 ?
[10:53] <Saviq> popey, can you give an update on your workitem in  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1410-suru-icon-switch ?
[10:53] <popey> ya
[10:57] <ogra_> dbarth, my understanding is that as long as we support the 13.10 framework cordova-2.8 must stay (or we need to drop the framework support from the image alongside) ... at least thats how i understood people like lool and cjwatson when this was discussed
[11:14] <dbarth> ogra_: technically that's corect, ie (codova 2.8 was part of 13.10)
[11:14] <ogra_> right, so technically we guarantee that apps built on 13.10 still work
[11:14] <ogra_> (i personally think we should drop the ancient framework)
[11:15] <ogra_> (especially since Qt 5.2 will make using it in native apps impossible too)
[11:15] <dbarth> ogra_: in practice there are 3 apps that linked (without knowing) with cordova
[11:15] <ogra_> right, but i think we need to stick to our promises or adjust for reality
[11:16] <ogra_> either is fine
[11:16] <ogra_> lool, ^^^
[11:17] <ogra_> (though i personally own a few webapps that only work with webkit ... i wouldnt want to drop them if we drop 13.10 ... but they wont work with oxide )
[11:18] <dbarth> they wont?
[11:18] <ogra_> oSoMoN, did you notice that the text in the URL bar of the browser is not centered anymoe ?
[11:18] <ogra_> dbarth, nope
[11:18] <dbarth> ogra_: do you bugs for that?
[11:19] <ogra_> they are games and the website they are on behaves weird when it detects aa proper browser ... not an issue on our side ... it tries to bomb you with ads that break the game
[11:20] <Stskeeps> w00t
[11:20] <Stskeeps> err.. ignore me
[11:20]  * ogra_ tries hard ... 
[11:20] <ogra_> :P
[11:22] <loicm> mardy: hey, that looks perfect to me, have you tried on the phone with the plugin installed to see if the shell and apps work the same?
[11:24] <loicm> mardy: have you also tried with an app using 2 windows (QQuickViews)? IIRC telephony-app does that
[11:25] <oSoMoN> ogra_, you mean vertically centered, right?
[11:25] <mardy> loicm: I didn't try the latest changes on the phone, I'll do it now
[11:26] <ogra_> oSoMoN, yeah
[11:26] <oSoMoN> ogra_, you’re right, good catch, I hadn’t noticed
[11:26] <oSoMoN> ogra_, mind filing a bug?
[11:26] <ogra_> it is a few pixels up
[11:26] <ogra_> will do
[11:26] <oSoMoN> thx
[11:26] <loicm> mardy: I'll try too during the afternoon
[11:26] <ogra_> minor issue :)
[11:26] <ogra_> hmm
[11:27]  * ogra_ notes that typing "bugs" into firefox' URL bar immediately gets me https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+filebug
[11:27] <ogra_> i guess i file to many bugs against that package :P
[11:28] <mardy> loicm: do you know how I can trigger the opening of the second window of telephony-app?
[11:29] <mardy> loicm: ah, it's open already :-)
[11:29] <mardy> loicm: yep, everything seems fine
[11:30] <ogra_> oSoMoN, bug 1317866
[11:32] <ogra_> mzanetti, oh, wow, i wouldnt have though that there was no bug for a low battery popup yet !
[11:32] <Mirv> jhodapp|afk: how's GStreamer 1.0 for Qt 5.3, would you like to offer some patches that you're going offer upstream, or is the plan still to keep the qtmultimedia-touch around?
[11:32] <loicm> mardy: I'm not sure, boiko and renato might know (but they're not connected)
[11:33] <mzanetti> ogra_: yeah... me neither... but seems so
[11:33] <Mirv> jhodapp|afk: it looks like sadly at the moment I need to compile also Qt 5.3's Multimedia part with GSt 0.10
[11:33] <mardy> loicm: nevermind, I just noticed that the second window opens as soon as you open the contacts
[11:34] <loicm> mardy: alright :) then I'll try and approve during the afternoon
[11:34] <loicm> mardy: thanks for the changes
[12:31] <jhodapp> Mirv, we aren't using qtmultimedia-touch packages anymore
[12:31] <jhodapp> Mirv, upstream has my changes and there's been a little bit of work with them, but not much...it's totally in upstream's hands to bring that to an official release
[12:32] <Mirv> jhodapp: if it's not in https://codereview.qt-project.org/ it should be proposed properly
[12:34] <Mirv> jhodapp: regarding -touch, oh right, I forgot about that media-hub replaced it for our purposes. is it truly so that all the core media playing stuff we have is now media-hub only, no qtmultimedia used?
[12:35] <Mirv> that lessens the priority of it, although we still support qtmultimedia for apps and probably would need to get rid of GStreamer 0.10
[12:39] <pmcgowan> Mirv, my understanding is we access media hub via qtmultimedia jhodapp?
[12:40] <jhodapp> Mirv, it is in codereview on qt
[12:40] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, we do, but just the QML interface classes
[12:41] <pmcgowan> jhodapp, got it
[12:42] <jhodapp> Mirv, we no longer use any of their backends having to do with gstreamer, merely high level control interfaces which call into qtubuntu-media (this is what calls into media-hub)
[12:42] <Mirv> jhodapp: right, good to know. so there's wip/gstreamer-1.0 based on the stuff you did earlier, but it did not see much work for some time
[12:43] <Mirv> but latest work is from 3 weeks ago https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,83406 so it's possible the branch could be eventually merged for Qt 5.4
[12:43] <jhodapp> right exactly, I have no idea why it's not a high priority other than there's only one person paid by Digia to work on QtMultimedia
[12:44] <Mirv> that probably goes a long way, plus that GStreamer is only used on Linux and their biggest paying customers are probably app devs on other platforms
[12:44] <jhodapp> Mirv, yes that's definitely part of it, the QtMultimedia developer has mostly been focusing on Windows Mobile lately
[12:44] <Mirv> (well I don't really know but the combined effect is probably that it's not a nr. 1 priority)
[12:45] <jhodapp> Mirv, indeed
[12:45] <Mirv> well, we need to mostly revisit it in case foundations teams want to get rid of GStreamer 0.10 for 14.10, which at this rate won't happen
[12:45] <jhodapp> Mirv, it wouldn't be that much more work to finish that WIP branch off...I wish someone could get some time to do it
[12:46] <jhodapp> Mirv, we really shouldn't be using GStreamer 0.10 anymore...it's very antiquated
[12:47] <jhodapp> anyway, brb
[12:49] <Mirv> first bugs tagged 'qt5.3' filed, thanks to some quick/dirty RC builds I now have for the first modules. a good way to end a week.
[12:51] <pmcgowan> Mirv, hey, you have 5.3 starting?
[12:52] <pmcgowan> Mirv, was just thinking about getting a test image going
[12:52] <Mirv> pmcgowan: yeah, I started now that upstream got RC sources out. there's even a beginning of a Landing Plan to execute :) https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjuCdq68GSyVdFI4QzNQdWpfME5aMEV2VXo0cUpOMkE#gid=20
[12:53] <ogra_> pmcgowan, thats for after RTM, right ?
[12:53] <pmcgowan> ogra_, thats a good question
[12:53] <pmcgowan> I was just reviewing the 5.3 release notes
[12:53]  * ogra_ guesses we should first get finished what we have before starting massively big transitions
[12:53] <pmcgowan> I could see skipping 5.3
[12:53] <Mirv> in the end, when all is ready, it comes down to whether dogfooders claim 5.2 or 5.3 a better experience
[12:54] <pmcgowan> Mirv, yes, we want to do this process for sure, glad to see the plan
[12:54] <pmcgowan> Mirv, which sprint week are you attending?
[12:54] <Mirv> pmcgowan: I was now moved to the first one
[12:54] <ogra_> well, we wont have the time to fix the RTM images anymore if it comes to late and ships any bugs
[12:54] <pmcgowan> Mirv, oh good,
[12:54] <pmcgowan> ogra_, agreed
[12:55] <pmcgowan> Mirv, I have an item on the agenda
[12:57] <ogra_> sergiusens, how about seeding nuntium ?
[12:58] <ogra_> (or did you want furter tests first)
[12:58] <sergiusens> ogra_: the source has been newed, not the binaries ;-)
[12:58] <ogra_> ah, k
[13:39] <mterry> dednick, what's the landing plan for the laggy indicator-sound fix?
[13:39]  * mterry just realized it hadn't landed yet
[13:40] <charles> nik90, ogra_: about the alarm's audio tone, https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-datetime/+bug/1309063
[13:41] <charles> nik90, ogra_: If you have a replacement I'd love to use it :-)
[13:42] <nik90> charles: I will have to try out a couple of sound files to figure what the best and recommend that to mpt
[13:43] <charles> nik90, that would be great :-)
[13:43] <ogra_> charles, http://soundbible.com/free-sound-effects-1.html
[13:44] <charles> ogra_, TIL
[13:44] <nik90> ogra_: Do you believe in scaring people to make them wake up? :P
[13:44] <charles> I wonder how much boiling liquid hate would come down on us if we used http://soundbible.com/2061-Loud-Alarm-Clock-Buzzer.html
[13:44] <ogra_> nik90, there are 1000s if ogg sound files :)
[13:45] <nik90> :)
[13:45] <ogra_> charles, lol
[13:45] <nik90> charles: btw does indicator-datetime take into account the alarm sound if specified by the clock app?
[13:45] <nik90> charles: or is the default sound (current) hardcoded to be used for all alarms?
[13:46] <charles> nik90, right now it's hardcoded, is there actually a way to set the sound in the clock app?
[13:46] <charles> nik90, I'd be happy to support that, it's a reasonable request
[13:47] <nik90> charles: not yet, but I am working on that now
[13:47] <charles> nik90, cool
[13:47] <charles> nik90, add indicator-datetime to the ticket and assign me to that component
[13:47] <nik90> charles: I have been given design approval by mpt to add alarm sound choice in the clock app.
[13:47] <nik90> charles: okay
[13:49] <dednick> mterry: hm. need to ping the lander for that team (once i find out who it is)
[13:50] <charles> looking through soundbible, I'm finding it a lot easier to find joke suggestions than serious ones...
[13:52] <dednick> thostr_: hi. there's a fix for indicator-sound we need to get landed. https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/indicator-sound/account-services-update-heuristics
[13:55] <thostr_> dednick: taking care of it...
[13:55] <dednick> thostr_: thanks
[13:55] <ogra_> charles, i also think we can only use "attribute 3.0" sounds ...
[13:56] <ogra_> (and yeah, the majority are rather jokes, but still better than the current one :P )
[13:57] <charles> ogra_: you have a suggestion then? ;)
[13:57] <ogra_> not really one, i would poke around there until i find one ... but that indeed takes time
[13:58] <ogra_> dont we have an audio person in the design team that could quickly throw together a DING sound ?
[13:59] <charles> ogra_, good question
[13:59] <charles> mpt: ^
[14:00]  * ogra_ guesses everything is better than what we have now ... 
[14:00] <charles> if we have someone on the design team who can put one together, that's much better than trawling for something that doesn't suck
[14:01] <ogra_> /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo/alarm-clock-elapsed.oga
[14:01] <ogra_> that might do for alarms for a start
[14:01] <ogra_> not great but better than a ringtone
[14:02] <ogra_> /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo/alarm-clock-elapsed.oga isnt bad either ... though should have a few repetitions perhaps
[14:03] <charles> ogra_: I agree, that's better than the ringtone
[14:03] <ogra_> and we already ship it :)
[14:03] <charles> +1
[14:04] <ogra_> err
[14:04] <ogra_> heh, paste error
[14:04] <ogra_> /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo/complete.oga was what i meant in the second comment
[14:14] <jhodapp> Mirv, I'm looking for a way of testing media-hub against our old version of Qt5 prior to Qt5.2 to isolate a bug. I tried going back to an old build on trusty that still had it, but I can't upgrade libhybris without breaking things...how hard would it be to downgrade Qt or do you have any other ideas?
[14:29] <nik90> charles: I like the alarm-clock-elapsed.oga for now
[14:29] <jhodapp> Mirv, ping
[14:36] <mterry> mzanetti, when will reminders app be able to use a real evernote account?
[14:37] <mzanetti> mterry: we've sent it to Evernote for review now
[14:37] <mzanetti> dpm: any more info on that?
[14:37] <mterry> mzanetti, cool
[14:38] <sergiusens> mzanetti: hey, without much helpful info, just wanted to say Tagger crashes for me on the latest images when it captures an image
[14:39] <dpm> mzanetti, mterry, not yet, they want to test the app themselves first, and I sent them to them yesterday
[14:39] <mzanetti> sergiusens: that should be fixed since last night
[14:39] <mzanetti> sergiusens: still happening if you upgrade now?
[14:39] <sergiusens> mzanetti: ah, you always are faster than my complaining :-)
[14:39] <dpm> mzanetti, mterry, sorry, I meant I sent them _the instructions_ yesterday
[14:39] <mzanetti> sergiusens: mhall119 already complained yesterday. otherwise I would have missed it
[14:40] <mhall119> yup, all fixed now
[14:40] <mhall119> thanks mzanetti, I've been missing this functionality :)
[14:41] <mzanetti> mhall119: heh. really? what do you use it for? just out of curiosity
[14:41] <mhall119> mzanetti: uh...scanning QR codes
[14:41] <mzanetti> like really scanning codes and searching for stuff on google?
[14:41] <mhall119> mzanetti: just scanning random codes I find to see where they point
[14:41] <mzanetti> ah ok :)
[14:41] <mhall119> stores have them on stickers to point to their websites, etc
[14:42] <mzanetti> ah ok
[14:42] <mhall119> also, summit.ubuntu.com has them to load the schedule on your phone
[14:42] <mzanetti> right... its bus stops around here
[14:42] <mzanetti> but ever since I do home office I don't use the bus that often any more
[14:42] <mzanetti> I remember hunting some geocaches which required qr code scanning
[14:42] <thostr_> dednick: sound indicator builds in silo 13
[14:43] <mhall119> oh, we need a geocaching app
[14:44] <mhall119> using rickspencer3's Mapping tutorials
[14:49] <mzanetti> yeah.. we really do need a geocaching app... but the mapping is the easiest part there
[14:51] <davmor2> mzanetti: you have OSMTouch surely you just need co-ordinates then :)
[14:52] <mzanetti> davmor2: nah... for a proper app lots of other stuff is required. a coordinate calculation helper, some integrated note taking, support for multi-caches and lots more
[14:52] <mzanetti> showing hints from the various sites etc etc
[14:54] <mzanetti> that's a really good one: http://n9-apps.com/agtl
[14:54] <mzanetti> iirc its python + qml.
[14:54] <mzanetti> can we run that by now?
[14:58] <popey> mzanetti: that would be neat to port
[14:58] <mzanetti> popey: yeah, I wanted to do that already a while ago, but we couldn't run python on the phone back then
[14:58] <mzanetti> not sure we can now
[14:58] <popey> python is installed..
[14:58] <ogra_> i dont think apparmor lets you execute it
[14:59] <popey> i dont think we ever said you cant run python, just that we discourage its use for things like daemons
[14:59] <popey> wat
[14:59] <ogra_> also we dont expose compass data anywhere in QML yet i think
[14:59] <mzanetti> but actually it should be quite straight forward to reimplement that stuff with Qt/C++
[14:59] <mzanetti> ogra_: we do have the api. not sure we get any data out of it yet
[14:59] <ogra_> you would have to ship your own python in the click
[14:59] <ogra_> (interpreter and bindings that is)
[15:00] <mzanetti> bein very inexperienced with python I guess I'd be faster to copy it with Qt
[15:00] <ogra_> if you are experienced in Qt yeah ... :)
[15:00] <mzanetti> I am somewhat I'd say, yes
[15:01] <mzanetti> so yeah... that should be on my todo
[15:01] <ogra_> :)
[15:01] <popey> heh
[15:01] <ogra_> sigh
[15:01] <ogra_> again no meeting notification
[15:01] <ogra_> i switched on the phone screen, it showed 16:58 ...
[15:01] <cjwatson> plars: Just slurping down the necessary files now so that I can try a local build (might as well start now, it probably won't be finished downloading by the time I finish for the day)
[15:01] <ogra_> and immediately jumped to 17:01
[15:01] <plars> cjwatson: thanks a lot!
[15:02] <mzanetti> ogra_: I tried the alarm clock yesterday... I slept in
[15:02] <ogra_> so it missed the mark to do the notification at 17:00
[15:02] <ogra_> yeah something is wonky with the clock
[15:02] <ogra_> or with Qt
[15:06] <dobey> dpm, popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1297357/comments/8
[15:07] <mhall119> ogra_: that's not the Clock app then, it's the datetime indicator, the clock isn't running when the screen is off
[15:07] <mhall119> the indicator is what triggers alarms, not hte app
[15:07] <ogra_> mhall119, well, the clock :) not the clock-app ...
[15:08] <ogra_> could even be the system clock that gets halted
[15:08] <dpm> dobey, I'd recommend opening another one. Right now we're putting the translations in the .mo files for the core apps, and on that bug what's left to be done only is to update the screenshots and descriptions of the apps in the store, which I now have the permissions for
[15:09] <ogra_> mhall119, i think tvoss' hw-alarms api will at least make sure we get proper time for the alarms
[15:09] <mhall119> ogra_: ah, ok, misunderstood
[15:09] <dobey> ogra_: there definitely seems to be something seriously wrong with the system clock being halted, at least on my phone
[15:09] <ogra_> dobey, well, it is fine to halt the visible clock to save battery while it is invisible ... but the alarms need to still get the correct time on the low level
[15:10] <dobey> dpm: are the descriptions for those apps updated in the .desktop files?
[15:10] <dobey> ogra_: yeah, but when i install a new image, my phone shouldn't say it's february 1970 when i reboot
[15:10] <tvoss> dobey, what is the concrete issue you are seeing?
[15:10] <dpm> dobey, I think right now we only have good app names in the .desktop files. I think some of them don't even have descriptions
[15:11] <dobey> dpm: i think Comment= in the .desktop needs to match the description on the store
[15:11] <dobey> dpm: also the description in the manifest.json should be the same
[15:12] <dobey> tvoss: when i unlock my phone, the time is sometimes way off, and it takes several seconds at least, for the time to update
[15:12] <dpm> dobey, yeah, I wasn't too sure of which should correspond to which. I created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/AppMetadataTranslations as an attempt to have an overview and find out
[15:12] <tvoss> dobey, is that on a recent image? the delayed update was mostly due to the blocked rendering loop in qt apps
[15:12] <ogra_> tvoss, thats on 18 for me
[15:12] <ogra_> yesterdays image
[15:13] <tvoss> ogra_, dobey okay, that's interesting. let me try to reproduce
[15:14] <dobey> tvoss: this is on a nexus 5 btw. i don't know if it's actually different on nexus 4
[15:14] <ogra_> tvoss, keep the phone off for a while ... if you wake it up you see the clock a bit behind and have it jump forward a few mins
[15:14] <dobey> tvoss: and yes, on current image
[15:15] <dobey> dpm: ok, i'll have a look at that. i actually also have a request in to get rid of "Tagline" completely from the store
[15:16] <dobey> dpm: should i just make edits to that page, or discuss with you first?
[15:16] <dpm> dobey, feel free to edit, any help is welcome!
[15:16] <dobey> ok, great
[15:17] <dpm> dobey, in offline mode, there is still the point that manifests are not translatable, but do they need to be if we can read the translations from the .desktop file? I'm not sure it contains all the metadata you're displaying on the scope, though
[15:18] <dobey> dpm: if Comment in the .desktop is the same as the Description in the manifest, then the .desktop file is enough. if we want those to be separate things for some reason (i can't think of any good reason for them to be), then we'll need separate translations for them
[15:18] <dpm> ok, gotcha
[15:24] <dobey> dpm: ok, i'll tweak that table after lunch. thanks
[15:24] <dpm> sounds good, thank you!
[15:33] <thostr_> didrocks: packages available for testing at https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-013/
[15:33] <thostr_> didrocks: sorry, mean dednick
[15:34] <didrocks> no worry ;)
[15:34] <thostr_> stupid tabcompletion
[15:34] <dednick> thostr_: thanks
[15:34] <dednick> thostr_: i'll take a look
[15:42] <thostr_> dednick: gave it a shot on the phone... better then before for sure, but still somewhat laggy
[16:08] <ogra_> kalikiana_, so i rebased that haptic fix but now the CI bot is playing tricks on me ... will you merge it anyway or should it do a completely new MP to get the bot back to sane ?
[16:16] <kalikiana_> ogra_: there is no "anyway" CI has to pass. sometimes empty commits are what's needed
[16:17] <ogra_> well, it is identical to the former, just that i rebased on the other branch ... but CI bot fails continiously now
[16:17] <ogra_> and retrying just does nothing
[16:20] <kalikiana_> ogra_: I will approve it and there's a chance autolanding will pass then.
[16:21] <ogra_> ok i pinged fginther too in #ubuntu-ci-eng ... if nothing works i'll just create a new MP and we'll drop this one i guess
[16:21] <dednick> mterry: just tried the new sound indicator on phone again, and thostr is correct, there's still some lag coming in from some place. feels like there's there is a call blocking somewhere...
[16:21] <kalikiana_> from my pov it's nothing special to be honest… we have "bogus" errors like this all the time
[16:22] <ogra_> yeah
[16:22] <kalikiana_> sometimes I just don't have time to hunt every single one
[16:22] <dednick> mterry: the spazzed out jerkyness is gone, but there's still sometimes lag when dragging around wildly
[16:22] <mterry> dednick, hrm
[16:22] <dednick> mterry: doesnt seem to happen on dekstop
[16:23] <dednick> mterry: erm, maybe it's the touch events...
[16:27] <dpm> hey jdstrand, if you're happy with the proposal, could you update https://code.launchpad.net/~jdstrand/music-app/lp1315386/+merge/218079 and we'll get it approved?
[16:43] <jdstrand> dpm: done
[16:44] <popey> thanks jdstrand
[16:44] <jdstrand> np
[16:44] <dpm> awesome, thanks jdstrand!
[16:56] <dobey> dpm: what does "visible on desktop" mean on that page exactly, btw?
[16:58] <dpm> dobey, whether the message in that particular field is shown to users on the desktop
[16:59] <dobey> dpm: inside software-center you mean? or elsewhere?
[17:00] <dpm> dobey, anywhere. E.g. I know that both Name and Comment are shown in the Launcher on the desktop, whereas on the phone only Name is shown
[17:00] <dpm> I mean the Name and Comment fields from the desktop files
[17:01] <dobey> comment is shown on the phone too (sort of, only for non-clickified apps currently, but that will change soon)
[17:19] <dobey> dpm: ok, updated that wiki page. hopefully a little clearer
[17:20] <dpm> looks great, thanks dobey for the fixes
[17:21] <dpm> and the bug links
[17:44] <ogra_> stgraber, seems we promoted a messed up image ... if i run copy-image without -k it will just auto-increment on top of the last promoted version, right ?
[17:44]  * ogra_ wants to copy image #18 to become the promoted #20 to revert 
[18:10] <rsalveti> slangasek: so it seems we're just missing qtubuntu-gles now, but had one question about qtubuntu as well
[18:10] <rsalveti> did a new upload yesterday to drop qtubuntu-android for i386 and amd64, and it's still in proposed
[18:10] <rsalveti> it seems to be a valid candidate by looking at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[18:10] <slangasek> right, it should be able to migrate once qtubuntu-gles is accepted
[18:11] <slangasek> right now, the dropped qtubuntu-android packages are out of date / NBS
[18:11] <rsalveti> but it says it's skipped at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt
[18:11] <rsalveti> right
[18:11] <rsalveti> thought that this would be the issue, but logs are not saying much
[18:11] <slangasek> so I just need to accept qtubuntu-gles and it will sort itself out
[18:12] <rsalveti> right
[18:14] <slangasek> W: libqt5multimediawidgets5-gles: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libQt5MultimediaWidgets5
[18:14] <slangasek> W: libqt5multimediawidgets5-gles: symbols-declares-dependency-on-other-package libqt5multimediawidgets5 #MINVER#
[18:14] <slangasek> rsalveti: ^^ btw
[18:14] <slangasek> (no wrong-named lintian overrides this time, just missing ones)
[18:14] <rsalveti> yeah, let me change that
[18:15] <rsalveti> also did the renaming for the qml module
[18:15] <rsalveti> doing a new upload in a few
[18:17] <mterry> tedg, how hard would it be to fix bug 1317649?
[18:19] <tedg> mterry, Not hard, but non-trivial.
[18:19] <tedg> mterry, I can't "just do it" it would probably have to be a scheduled thing, but it's not a ton of work.
[18:19] <mterry> tedg, I'll talk to kgunn, but I suspect we'll want to prioritize it
[18:20] <tedg> mterry, I wouldn't talk to kgunn today, he's probably still coming to terms with being a Browns fan. Give him a week or two.
[18:21] <mterry> tedg, :)
[18:34] <dobey> that is a lot of core apps :-/
[18:35] <dobey> kenvandine, robru: also, separate bug for you specifically: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/friends-app/+bug/1318005
[18:46] <robru> dobey, thanks
[18:56] <unixfan> Hi all :)
[18:57] <unixfan> I need assistance in installing Ubuntu in my Android tablet
[18:58] <unixfan> Now it's stuck in 'Android system recovery', asking for installing update package, so is it possible to use Ubuntu package?
[18:59] <unixfan> any help???
[19:03] <popey> unixfan: what tablet?
[19:07] <unixfan> trio stealth g2
[19:11] <stgraber> ogra_: right
[19:29] <taiebot> Hi i am on 14.10 (r19) my gsm network does not start anymore...
[19:33] <slangasek> sergiusens: nuntium accepted; and fwiw, bug #1318027 filed about this dh_strip override of yours
[19:34] <sergiusens> thanks
[19:34] <taiebot> Anyone got is ofono set up broken like me on 14.10 (r19) hud is showing five time cellular settings and i cannot connect to gsm network anymore? when i go to system settings cellular everything is off
[19:35] <sergiusens> the panic during panic was hilariously sad to see btw :-p
[19:58] <dobey> taiebot: is working fine here on my nexus 5
[20:00] <alecu> dobey: ping
[20:01] <dobey> alecu: hi
[20:01] <alecu> dobey: I'm not able to join the canonical irc
[20:01] <dobey> did you forget how? :)
[20:01] <alecu> dobey: no! It's just that my quassel core keeps saying "Connection failure: Connection timed out"
[20:02] <dobey> alecu: i saw several people fell off with "ping timeout" including you
[20:02] <alecu> 502105
[20:02] <dobey> anyway, i guess it'll work again soon
[20:02] <taiebot> well after a forced reboot through adb shell it works but system settings is completely broken
[20:02] <alecu> hmmm
[20:02] <dobey> wrong place for your otp :P
[20:03] <dobey> taiebot: online accounts is you mean?
[20:03] <alecu> dobey: right :-)
[20:03] <taiebot> dobey: system settings/ cellular
[20:04] <rsalveti> slangasek: so only two remaining things :-) one is that I just uploaded a new qtmultimedia-opensource-src-gles containing the package renaming, which generated a new package
[20:04] <dobey> taiebot: works fine here too :)
[20:04] <alecu> dobey: I've rebooted my vpn, and still can't connect. I think I'm going to take the opportunity and call this EOW
[20:04] <rsalveti> slangasek: and the second one is about qtubuntu
[20:04] <dobey> alecu: can you review my branch?
[20:04] <alecu> dobey: please excuse me with the people in #unity-api, and tell ted we will continue talking about this on monday.
[20:04] <rsalveti> slangasek: I believe it's not going to be migrated automatically because I'm not generating qtubuntu-desktop anymore for armhf
[20:04] <rsalveti> as it was wrong (forcing gl while qt was built with gles)
[20:05] <alecu> dobey: yes, if it's ok I'll do it tonight.
[20:05] <dobey> ok
[20:06] <alecu> dobey: log-response-body and fix-1234211?
[20:06] <dobey> tedg: ^^ :)
[20:06] <dobey> alecu: yeah
[20:06] <tedg> Heh
[20:07] <taiebot> dobey:  it has been broken since yesterday. Want to show you what i mean. How do i take screenshot now phablet-screenshot does not work?
[20:08] <dobey> timchen1`: what device are you on?
[20:09] <dobey> err, sorry
[20:09] <dobey> taiebot: what device?
[20:10] <dobey> alecu: have a good weekend!
[20:14] <taiebot> nexus 4
[20:14] <taiebot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1316806
[20:15] <dobey> taiebot: you can edit the phablet-screenshot script and add the "_60Hz" in the filename it's looking for
[20:22] <taiebot> dobey:http://uppix.com/f-mir2536d38f000165cbd.png
[20:23] <taiebot> dobey:http://uppix.com/f-mir536d38d700165cbc.png
[20:23] <dobey> weird
[20:47] <slangasek> rsalveti: ah.  why not generate qtubuntu-desktop on armhf?  Obviously not useful on the phone, but I think it's better to continue including it
[20:47] <rsalveti> slangasek: because the binary will be broken
[20:47] <slangasek> how?
[20:47] <slangasek> awesome to see lots of  libqt5gui5 (>= 5.2.0) | libqt5gui5-gles (>= 5.2.0) in package deps now, btw
[20:48] <rsalveti> you're forcing qtubuntu to build against opengl, but then it's including qt's static libplaform that was built against opengles
[20:48] <rsalveti> so you get half of it doing gl and half of it doing gles :-)
[20:49] <rsalveti> that was the same issue I had with qtubuntu-android, but the other way around
[20:49] <rsalveti> it *might* still work, but can't tell you for sure
[20:49] <rsalveti> if you think it'd still make sense to have it, I can easily change
[20:49] <rsalveti> yeah, that's awesome :-)
[20:50] <rsalveti> I wish that qt's libplatform was a shared library
[20:57] <taiebot> Well done to the oxide-team my browser is getting along quite nicely (better than iphone 4s)  http://uppix.com/f-speed536d40c800165cde.png
[21:11] <rsalveti> slangasek: what do you prefer then? create qtubuntu-desktop again on armhf even though we're not sure it works or just approve the migration?
[21:12] <slangasek> rsalveti: well, /ultimately/ I would like to see the gl+gles package split carried consistently across all architectures, including armhf
[21:12] <rsalveti> right, this will hopefully come with a newer qt as well
[21:12] <slangasek> I don't have a strong preference for what we do with qtubuntu-desktop on armhf in the short term; if you tell me the package is broken, I'll just remove the binary
[21:12] <slangasek> but if it's just "maybe broken" I would prefer to keep it in the archive
[21:13] <rsalveti> well, don't have a way to test :-)
[21:13] <rsalveti> so guess it'd be 'maybe'
[21:13] <rsalveti> let me add it again then
[21:13] <slangasek> ok
[21:28] <int_ua> Anyone online with Ubuntu Touch running natively right now? Can you check if /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm exists? http://askubuntu.com/questions/454381/does-ubuntu-phone-support-rtc-alarm
[21:29] <dobey> int_ua: doesn't exist on my nexus 5
[21:30] <Tassadar> n5's RTC is very bad though
[21:30] <dobey> very bad?
[21:30] <Tassadar> it can't be set, or else things start to break
[21:31] <Tassadar> that's why n5 has wrong time every time you turn it on, before it grabs it from the network
[21:31] <Tassadar> flo has has that alarm, I think I was Cyanongemod do something with it
[21:31] <dobey> Tassadar: i've seen the wrong time complaint from others on nexus 4 today too
[21:31] <dobey> and i'm pretty sure it was a problem on my nexus 7 as well
[21:32] <Tassadar> with n5, it is problem even on android
[21:32] <Tassadar> from what I found out, the RTC can't be set, or else there are some problems with modem and somebody said guys from CM who tried to fixed it got data corruption(?)
[21:33] <Tassadar> so android has a daemon, which stores offset in a file in /data, which is added to the time in RTC on every boot
[21:33] <Tassadar> lots of devices with newer qualcomm SOCs do that
[21:34] <Tassadar> some even have the daemon broken, so they simply don't have any persistent time, they need to grab it from network
[21:35] <dobey> wo we'll need a daemon? :(
[21:35] <peteypeter>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER peteypeter hwoutjkawyuz
[21:35] <int_ua> Tassadar: does this SOCs claim ACPI support?
[21:35] <dobey> uhm
[21:35] <Tassadar> these are ARMs, there is no acpi here
[21:35] <dobey> lol
[21:35] <Tassadar> not yet anyway
[21:36] <int_ua> ok, dobey, will you add the answer on AU?
[21:36] <Tassadar> I'm not sure about it
[21:36] <Tassadar> I can check it on flo
[21:36] <dobey> no
[21:36] <Tassadar> gimme a minute
[21:36] <dobey> i'm not authoritative
[21:38] <peteypeter>  /msg NickServ identify test
[21:38] <Tassadar> hm, no, it doesn't seem to support it
[21:38] <int_ua> What is this "flo" you are talking about?
[21:38] <Tassadar> Nexus 7 2013
[21:38] <dobey> wifi
[21:39] <Tassadar> but CyanogenMod's kernel for that Nexus 7 and Nexus 4 has some fixes for it, so I guess it can be fixed if required
[21:39] <int_ua> ok, will you, Tassadar, add the answer on AU?
[21:41] <int_ua> Are there any Ubuntu Phone devices ready to check them too?
[21:45] <Tassadar> I added my answer there
[21:45] <Tassadar> aaand he's gone
[21:57] <Pixel848> Hi, I have a question about Ubuntu for Tablets. Can it boot to linux so I can run a webserver? Sorry if it's a daft question!
[22:14] <verdeP> err it is linux though ... do you mean boot to like non gui?
[22:14] <verdeP> like a headless server xD
[22:16] <verdeP> pretty sure you can get terminal access....I'd imagine it wouldn't be impossible to get a webserver running on it, even the simple python one
[22:16] <verdeP> but I don't have it so ^^
[22:27] <mhall119> I'm on r17, system-settings tells me r20 is available, but I get an error trying to download it
[22:27] <mhall119> worse, system-image-cli -n says my upgrade path is 19:20, while I'm still on r17
[22:36] <popey> mhall119: oh dear, this is probably because ogra_ copied 17 to 20
[22:37] <popey> mhall119: so basically you get nothing by even trying to uprade because technically 20 _is_ 17
[22:37] <popey> (19 & 18 were broken, so we rolled back)
[22:38] <popey> mhall119: there will be no promoted image until monday, so give  up trying or flash clean 20 (which is 17 really, so not worth it)
[22:38] <popey> -> bed
[22:39] <Tassadar> it also means you can't promote 20 from proposed, if you don't want the version numbers to get messed up Oo
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[22:43]  * Tassadar imagines seeing someone yell ____ must be interesting
[22:43] <mhall119> Tassadar: the _ is silent ;)
[22:43] <Tassadar> ^^
[22:44] <mhall119> somewhere after the 4th 'a' your breath runs out anyway
[23:03] <rsalveti> slangasek: qtubuntu just migrated to release, only remaining think then is reviewing the new bin from latest qtmultimedia-opensource-src-gles
[23:04] <rsalveti> *remaining thing
[23:38] <mhall119> ogra_: why was 17 renamed to 20? Did we promote 18 and 19 out of -proposed before finding the problems?
[23:53] <wolflarson> tassadar i love you