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| Cimi | Saviq, before you needfix me | 08:36 |
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| Cimi | Saviq, in the infographics, I need to get the user id | 08:37 |
| Cimi | uid | 08:37 |
| Cimi | so I did this http://paste.ubuntu.com/7420297/ | 08:38 |
| Cimi | is not super nice as using a model role, otherwise we have to patch lightdm | 08:39 |
| dednick | anyone know how to set the display to "always on" on device? can't seem to get powerd-cli to do it... | 08:49 |
| mhr3 | dednick, you get something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z86V_ICUCD4 | 08:58 |
| mhr3 | but instead it just taps on your phone regularly | 08:58 |
| dednick | mhr3: lol | 08:59 |
| Saviq | Cimi, better let's patch lightdm | 09:06 |
| Cimi | ahahahahahha | 09:06 |
| Cimi | I know it!!! | 09:06 |
| Saviq | Cimi, especially since we only use a local copy of the LightDM plugin still ;) | 09:06 |
| Cimi | Saviq, but we need to patch real lightdm | 09:06 |
| Saviq | Cimi, until the split greeter | 09:06 |
| Saviq | Cimi, sure, I know, let's | 09:06 |
| seb128 | Saviq, hey | 09:07 |
| seb128 | Saviq, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1410-unity8-desktop-iso just as fyi | 09:07 |
| Saviq | "by 16.04", not "for 16.04" ;) | 09:07 |
| Saviq | subscribed | 09:08 |
| Saviq | dednick, "sync item progress" is different than "transfer" is it? | 09:13 |
| dednick | Saviq: hmm. not sure exactly. I know there is an "indicator-sync" | 09:16 |
| dednick | Saviq: https://launchpad.net/indicator-sync | 09:16 |
| dednick | and an https://launchpad.net/indicator-transfer | 09:16 |
| Saviq | dednick, ok, I'll leave it be then | 09:16 |
| dednick | Saviq: but the sync one is pretty old. | 09:16 |
| Saviq | dednick, kk | 09:17 |
| dednick | so they may have been merged | 09:17 |
| Saviq | dednick, I'll leave it be then, we'll adapt when we know more | 09:17 |
| dednick | ok | 09:17 |
| seb128 | Saviq, "by" indeed, thanks ;-) | 09:19 |
| seb128 | (fixed) | 09:19 |
| Saviq | Cimi, we're to tell Loïc what are our biggest beefs with the shape, apparently the new implementation is too far off still... | 09:30 |
| Cimi | Saviq, far off? | 09:30 |
| Cimi | Saviq, like we're not getting things? | 09:31 |
| Saviq | Cimi, incomplete still | 09:31 |
| Cimi | Saviq, what are we getting? | 09:31 |
| Saviq | Cimi, we need to list things we need to see what can be backported | 09:31 |
| Cimi | I talked to kevin | 09:31 |
| Cimi | hold on, logs | 09:31 |
| Saviq | Cimi, I know about: | 09:31 |
| Cimi | 1) ability to add any item inside and let ubuntushape clip it | 09:32 |
| Cimi | 2) enable/disable inner shadows and border | 09:32 |
| Cimi | 3) add external shado | 09:32 |
| Cimi | 4) peformance improvements and caching | 09:32 |
| Saviq | overlay support | 09:32 |
| Cimi | Saviq, overlay support should fall into 1 | 09:32 |
| Saviq | Cimi, 1) is possible via a ShaderEffectSource | 09:32 |
| Saviq | Cimi, we're actually using it here and there | 09:33 |
| Saviq | ;) | 09:33 |
| Cimi | Saviq, yes | 09:33 |
| Cimi | Saviq, in Components | 09:34 |
| Saviq | now that I think of it, we should use it more | 09:34 |
| Cimi | Saviq, but we want it integrated | 09:34 |
| Saviq | Cimi, yeah sure, but I don't think that's a prio then, since there's a workaround | 09:34 |
| Cimi | Saviq, so 2 and 3 though | 09:34 |
| Cimi | Saviq, or more generally, ability to change border source | 09:34 |
| Cimi | sometyhing like that | 09:35 |
| Saviq | Cimi, don't we have that already? | 09:35 |
| Saviq | Cimi, borderSource? | 09:35 |
| Cimi | having always the inner shadow sucks | 09:35 |
| Cimi | Saviq, we had | 09:35 |
| Cimi | Saviq, now doesn't work anymore iirc | 09:35 |
| Cimi | since a year or a bit less | 09:35 |
| Saviq | Cimi, think it's still working, we use it in launcher and running tile | 09:37 |
| Cimi | Saviq, where? | 09:37 |
| Saviq | Cimi, grep for borderSource | 09:37 |
| Cimi | Saviq, those refers to prefixed border sources in the sdk | 09:38 |
| Cimi | Saviq, you cannot set to null | 09:39 |
| Cimi | or anything you like | 09:39 |
| Saviq | Cimi, well, it's set to "none" in LauncherDelegate, but sure, we can't override | 09:39 |
| Cimi | Saviq, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7420521/ | 09:40 |
| Cimi | Saviq, I wrote that code | 09:41 |
| Cimi | in launcherdelegate :) | 09:41 |
| Cimi | Saviq, I remember when I did borderSource: "CimiDoesntWantBorder" | 09:42 |
| Cimi | someone needsfix that :D | 09:42 |
| Cimi | maybe I can use it for the carousel... let's see | 09:43 |
| greyback | any volunteers? https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/unity-mir/fix-upstart-closed-apps2/+merge/218721 | 09:52 |
| greyback | for functional testing at the least | 09:53 |
| Saviq | greyback, I'll take it | 10:02 |
| greyback | Saviq: thanks | 10:02 |
| Cimi | Saviq, came up with something like that for lightdm http://paste.ubuntu.com/7420699/ | 10:25 |
| Cimi | Saviq, how to I cast from a uid_t to guint64 in qt? is my approach correct? | 10:26 |
| Cimi | + user.uid = (quint64)lightdm_user_get_uid(ldmUser); | 10:26 |
| Saviq | Cimi, looks legit | 10:27 |
| Cimi | ok | 10:27 |
| Saviq | Cimi, although mterry will obviously be better to review | 10:27 |
| Saviq | Cimi, is there nowhere you can get the uid from lightdm instead of getpwnam? | 10:28 |
| Cimi | Saviq, that is a mistake | 10:28 |
| Cimi | Saviq, that function is not called | 10:28 |
| Cimi | I am using lightdm for the model | 10:29 |
| Cimi | indeed | 10:29 |
| Saviq | Cimi, right | 10:29 |
| Cimi | I discovered lightdm already stored the uid | 10:29 |
| Cimi | after I added the function | 10:29 |
| Saviq | Cimi, yeah, looks legit, MP please and get mterry to review | 10:29 |
| Cimi | http://paste.ubuntu.com/7420719/ | 10:30 |
| Cimi | ok | 10:30 |
| Cimi | I'll wait a jenkins build | 10:30 |
| seb128 | Saviq, just saw https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1410-suru-icon-switch | 10:32 |
| seb128 | Saviq, I've https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/use-theme-icons/+merge/214950 up but it's blocked on your uitk change to land | 10:32 |
| seb128 | Saviq, just as a fyi | 10:32 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, ^ (since you have the W.I on that blueprint) | 10:33 |
| Saviq | seb128, link them? | 10:33 |
| seb128 | Saviq, done | 10:34 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, took over your WI as well, set it as done | 10:34 |
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| Cimi | Saviq, https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/preview-text-summary-bottom-padding/+merge/217903 | 11:13 |
| Saviq | Cimi, yup, will do it soon | 11:13 |
| Cimi | pete-woods, hey, are those SVGs animated? | 11:18 |
| pete-woods | Cimi: nope, just boring ol SVGs | 11:18 |
| Saviq | Cimi, animated SVGs are security nightmare | 11:18 |
| Saviq | Cimi, since you need to support javascript | 11:18 |
| Cimi | Saviq, so why we switched to use SVG? | 11:19 |
| Saviq | Cimi, because we want to adapt the colours | 11:19 |
| Cimi | Saviq, and you can do it other ways with properties | 11:19 |
| Saviq | Cimi, and we switched to SVG to allow easier visualizers than QML | 11:19 |
| Saviq | Cimi, and again, custom QML → security nightmare | 11:19 |
| Cimi | Saviq, properties | 11:20 |
| Cimi | anyway ok | 11:20 |
| Saviq | Cimi, properties what? | 11:20 |
| Cimi | I will tell designers anymations are gone | 11:20 |
| Cimi | Saviq, you can expose colors | 11:20 |
| Cimi | Saviq, like we do with the ubuntu themes | 11:20 |
| Saviq | Cimi, expose them to what? to SVGs? yes, that's what we want to do | 11:21 |
| Saviq | Cimi, but we didn't want to run any javascript (so animated SVGs and/or QML are not good) | 11:22 |
| Cimi | Saviq, we could have exposed other properties from a text file | 11:24 |
| Cimi | or anything really | 11:24 |
| Cimi | and use animated qml | 11:24 |
| Cimi | if we want just to change colours... | 11:24 |
| Cimi | if we want to change shapes, it's fine | 11:25 |
| Saviq | Cimi, NO ANIMATED QML | 11:26 |
| Saviq | Cimi, security BAD | 11:26 |
| Saviq | Cimi, and we didn't even want animated anyway | 11:26 |
| Cimi | why bad? | 11:26 |
| Saviq | Cimi, security | 11:26 |
| Cimi | our shell is animated | 11:26 |
| Cimi | our apps are animated | 11:27 |
| Cimi | now is insecure? | 11:27 |
| Saviq | Cimi, 3rd party infographics in the shell | 11:27 |
| Cimi | ah 3rd party ok | 11:27 |
| Saviq | Cimi, and anyway they're meant to be really as non-intrusive as possible | 11:27 |
| Cimi | thought we were drawing the infographics | 11:27 |
| Saviq | Cimi, so animation is not wanted | 11:27 |
| Cimi | and give develelopers a couple of values to change | 11:27 |
| Saviq | Cimi, nope, we want them to be installable as clicks and such | 11:27 |
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| mhr3 | Saviq, seen the design on departments behaviour yet? | 12:18 |
| Saviq | mhr3, you mean https://sites.google.com/a/canonical.com/unity8dash/toolkit/2-navigation ? | 12:19 |
| Saviq | mhr3, see bottom for my comments | 12:19 |
| mhr3 | indeed | 12:20 |
| mhr3 | Saviq, i'm interested in that from the model pov, i'll have to expose some kind of partial lazily loaded tree | 12:21 |
| mhr3 | the widget for that will be... interesting i guess | 12:21 |
| Saviq | aaaargh foooking gsites | 12:21 |
| Saviq | limited characters in comments... what is this, 1990s? | 12:21 |
| Saviq | mhr3, since any change is meant to be applied instantly (it is, isn't it? | 12:23 |
| Saviq | ) | 12:23 |
| Saviq | mhr3, or maybe it isn't... | 12:24 |
| mhr3 | Saviq, well, yes, basically the widget isn't supposed to close by itself, unless you tap a leaf dep | 12:25 |
| Saviq | mhr3, right, so nothing until you explicitly select a thing | 12:25 |
| mhr3 | and at the same time we don't have the whole tree, so loading children's children requires a query | 12:25 |
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| Saviq | mhr3, yeah, sounds like lazy tree is what we need... | 12:26 |
| Saviq | children exposed as a ListModel | 12:26 |
| Saviq | FUN | 12:26 |
| mhr3 | and did i mention that we'll be completely relying on the scope giving us proper data? | 12:26 |
| mhr3 | kmn | 12:26 |
| mhr3 | but well.. doable | 12:27 |
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| Saviq | mhr3, and how do we not rely on scope giving proper data now? :0 | 12:27 |
| mhr3 | Saviq, well, this is different, we still expect stateless queries, but them having overall hierarchy | 12:28 |
| Saviq | mhr3, ah in that sense, yeah | 12:29 |
| mhr3 | Saviq, anyway, i take it the widget will not be an issue :) | 12:29 |
| mhr3 | Saviq, still, i'll need details on how you want the model(s) for it exposed | 12:29 |
| Saviq | mhr3, as long as you prepare the model ;) | 12:29 |
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| Saviq | mhr3, definitely a ListModel for the results, and probably the two links separately | 12:30 |
| Saviq | mhr3, in a stack? | 12:31 |
| Saviq | so... a dynamic ListModel of department pages, filled as we descend in the hierarchy | 12:32 |
| Saviq | mhr3, the shell might maintain the stack, though, maybe that's better | 12:32 |
| Saviq | since we want to request a department page and only then push it onto the stack, to have the first items added | 12:33 |
| mhr3 | Saviq, you mean the model always being flat and updating (clear+re-populate) when navigating? | 12:33 |
| Saviq | mhr3, hangout? | 12:34 |
| mhr3 | Saviq, want to talk with pstolowski about it too, so let's do one in a bit | 12:35 |
| Saviq | mhr3, ok, ready when you are | 12:35 |
| mhr3 | pstolowski, or you available now? | 12:35 |
| Saviq | yay diffs from gsites!!! | 12:35 |
| Saviq | mikenagle, you get a diff if you subscribe to a site!!! | 12:36 |
| mhr3 | ah, he's on lunch | 12:36 |
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| Saviq | AAARRGH | 12:53 |
| Saviq | it even discarded part of my reply over email | 12:53 |
| Saviq | like WTH | 12:53 |
| pstolowski | mhr3, i'm now | 12:54 |
| mhr3 | Saviq, pstolowski, k, ho in 5? | 12:55 |
| Saviq | hooo! | 12:55 |
| pstolowski | k | 12:55 |
| Saviq | too much sugar... or maybe too little? | 12:55 |
| greyback | Saviq: take more pain kilers | 12:57 |
| Saviq | oh jeez this is the most half-baked comment support EVER | 12:57 |
| Saviq | greyback, ah, the blue pill | 12:57 |
| Saviq | wait | 12:57 |
| Saviq | that explains things | 12:57 |
| * Saviq looks at the bottle | 12:57 | |
| greyback | Saviq: they're made for comments, not essays :) | 12:57 |
| Saviq | greyback, yeah, check that: only two-level threads, i.e. you can only reply to the top-level one | 12:58 |
| Saviq | top-level threads have <br/> after the name, sub-level ones don't! | 12:59 |
| Saviq | Mike added attachments, I even got email notifications about them, and can open them, but there's no links on the site! | 12:59 |
| mhr3 | comments + email snippets = super easy to follow everything | 13:01 |
| greyback | sure, I get that, but otherwise they'd end up satisfying Zawinski's law | 13:02 |
| greyback | gotta draw a feature line somewhere | 13:02 |
| Saviq | greyback, well, in docs you can reply to sub-comments can't you? | 13:03 |
| Saviq | maybe it's the same, just here it suggests you can do more | 13:03 |
| * greyback decides not to get into this argument, goes to do something productive ;) | 13:04 | |
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| dandrader | you guys talking about comment system on launchpad merge proposals? | 13:19 |
| * dandrader curious | 13:20 | |
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| Cimi | mterry, ping :) | 13:48 |
| mterry | Cimi, hello! | 13:49 |
| Cimi | mterry, ciao! | 13:49 |
| Cimi | mterry, I did this https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/lightdm/uid-bindings/+merge/218958 | 13:49 |
| mterry | Cimi, ah cute. That's nice | 13:50 |
| mterry | Cimi, I'll let robert_ancell review it though. He's usually master-of-lightdm | 13:50 |
| Cimi | mterry, my only concern is tests, I have no clue where to start | 13:50 |
| mterry | Cimi, lightdm tests are interesting yeah. Are there similar tests for other propertise? | 13:51 |
| Cimi | not sure | 13:51 |
| mterry | Cimi, there are several other tests that deal with user properties (tests/scripts/user-*.conf | 13:53 |
| mterry | Cimi, but uid isn't something that can be changed like the other properties | 13:54 |
| mterry | Cimi, so testing is a little odder there | 13:54 |
| Cimi | that's why my concern | 13:54 |
| mterry | Cimi, here's what you do. | 13:55 |
| Cimi | who can trigger a build btw | 13:57 |
| mterry | Cimi, tests/src/test-qt-greeter.cpp and tests/src/test-gobjecte-greeter.c (and the python greeter if you're feeling funky) have support for LOG-USER to query a specific user property | 13:57 |
| Cimi | would be nice to play with a arm build | 13:57 |
| mterry | Cimi, so add support for the UID field. Then add a new baby test script that queries the field | 13:58 |
| mterry | Cimi, then add two "runner" scripts in ./tests (you'll see all the others there) that calls your script with the gobject greeter and the qt greeter (to test both interfaces) | 13:58 |
| mterry | Cimi, your baby test script can look like ./tests/scripts/user-name.conf but simpler and just for UID | 13:59 |
| Cimi | hey hey hey | 13:59 |
| Cimi | one thing at a time :D | 13:59 |
| Cimi | it's a complete new way of writing tests for me, I need to read code first :) | 13:59 |
| Cimi | I'll start with reading those two files and add UID | 14:00 |
| mterry | Cimi, well go back and read above later :) | 14:00 |
| Cimi | mterry, I don't see tests for username etc etc | 14:11 |
| mterry | Cimi, tests/scripts/user-name.conf | 14:11 |
| Cimi | mterry, uid is not tested | 14:13 |
| mterry | Cimi, right... but you just added it, eh? | 14:13 |
| Cimi | mterry, no | 14:13 |
| Cimi | mterry, it was already in common etc | 14:13 |
| mterry | Cimi, you added the public api | 14:13 |
| Cimi | like gid | 14:13 |
| mterry | Cimi, that's what this is testing | 14:14 |
| Saviq | Cimi, https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/preview-text-summary-bottom-padding/+merge/217903/comments/522179 | 14:20 |
| Cimi | seb128, overlay scrollbars are so slow on my core i7 with 300$ GPU that I think it's the case to trash them | 14:27 |
| seb128 | Cimi, you should fix them to not be slow? | 14:28 |
| seb128 | Cimi, I'm not the one deciding, talk to Mark ;-) | 14:29 |
| Cimi | seb128, cannot fix a hack | 14:29 |
| Cimi | seb128, they will stop working on mir anyway :) | 14:30 |
| seb128 | Cimi, write a non hack implementation then? | 14:30 |
| Cimi | seb128, can't | 14:30 |
| Cimi | seb128, they require separate windows | 14:30 |
| seb128 | build support in Mir :p | 14:30 |
| Cimi | I drop them | 14:30 |
| Cimi | or I change design | 14:31 |
| Cimi | I want them internal like facebook | 14:31 |
| Cimi | and osx (prefer facebook impl) | 14:31 |
| Saviq | Cimi, that will be supported on Mir, btw ;) | 14:32 |
| Saviq | Cimi, separate surface of a certain type | 14:32 |
| Cimi | Saviq, that move and send positions back and forth in sync with the app? | 14:32 |
| Cimi | Saviq, workarea hints etc? | 14:32 |
| Cimi | it's shitload of work | 14:33 |
| Cimi | let's just make them internal | 14:33 |
| Saviq | Cimi, still doable, if done properly in the toolkit :) | 14:33 |
| Cimi | superfast, not hackish | 14:33 |
| Cimi | Saviq, i doubt | 14:33 |
| elopio | ping Saviq, kgunn: we need to meet to talk about testability requirements for this cycle and goals for the malta sprint. | 14:47 |
| elopio | can we do it next week? | 14:47 |
| Saviq | elopio, sure, I'm off Monday, available rest of the week | 14:48 |
| elopio | Saviq, kgunn: what about tuesday, 10 minutes from now? | 14:48 |
| kgunn | elopio use my calendar | 14:49 |
| Saviq | elopio, OMG Tuesday is in 10 minutes?! | 14:49 |
| elopio | right. | 14:49 |
| Saviq | elopio, and yeah, just find a slot in our calendars | 14:49 |
| elopio | Saviq: yes, sorry you didn't get to enjoy your free weekend :) | 14:49 |
| * elopio dives into google calendar. | 14:49 | |
| Saviq | elopio, ;) | 14:50 |
| elopio | kgunn: wow, you have all your mornings colored in the calendar. | 14:55 |
| * elopio hugs kgunn. | 14:55 | |
| elopio | I've sent the invitation for wednesday | 14:56 |
| Saviq | elopio, that time doesn't work for me ;| | 14:58 |
| * Saviq looks for a better time | 14:59 | |
| dednick | greyback: what's the purpose of the ProcInfo class in unity-mir? why is it passed to app manager? | 15:13 |
| greyback | dednick: it's used to support the --desktop_file_hint hack mainly. It fetches the command line for a PID and let's us parse it | 15:15 |
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| dednick | greyback: sure. but why is an empty one passed to the App manager? | 15:16 |
| dednick | greyback: does ProcInfo mean "all process info" or "a single processes info" | 15:17 |
| greyback | dednick: empty? | 15:17 |
| greyback | it's used here: std::unique_ptr<ProcInfo::CommandLine> info = m_procInfo->commandLine(pid); | 15:17 |
| greyback | we set the PID for ProcInfo to fetch, then use it to parse the PID | 15:19 |
| dednick | greyback: yeah, i know. But why is it passed to the app manager as a parameter? the class has no context. | 15:19 |
| greyback | dednick: ah, for each of testing | 15:19 |
| greyback | ease | 15:19 |
| greyback | so it can be easily mocked | 15:19 |
| dednick | greyback: ah. ok | 15:19 |
| dednick | greyback: so it's supposed to identify "all process info" | 15:20 |
| dednick | not just a single one | 15:20 |
| Cimi | seb128, Saviq I think we should change designs and have scrollbars with the internal overlay | 15:20 |
| seb128 | Cimi, that works for me, but I'm not a designer | 15:21 |
| Cimi | is massively easier to implement, and lot faster | 15:21 |
| Saviq | Cimi, you want to present that to Mark? ;) | 15:21 |
| Cimi | Saviq, I could, no problem | 15:21 |
| Saviq | Cimi, TBH I don't care much, doesn't involve my work either way ;) | 15:21 |
| Cimi | Saviq, neither mine | 15:22 |
| Saviq | Cimi, sure, but you care, I don't | 15:22 |
| Cimi | but will for who in mir side will have to implement this | 15:22 |
| Cimi | and qt side | 15:22 |
| Cimi | and gtk | 15:22 |
| Saviq | Cimi, toolkits only, Mir will support it anyway | 15:22 |
| Cimi | Saviq, yes but if it's internal to the window, mir needs to do 0 | 15:23 |
| Cimi | Saviq, otherwise we need features from the server | 15:23 |
| Saviq | Cimi, they need to do 0 anyway, those features are planned regardless of scrollbars, so they will get implemented | 15:23 |
| Saviq | whether they'll be used for scrollbars or not is a completely different topic | 15:24 |
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| Saviq | Cimi, and I believe you're overreacting, if you can have a child surface and enforce/know its position in relation to the parent surface, it's really not that difficult to do | 15:24 |
| Cimi | Saviq, it is not child surface | 15:25 |
| Saviq | Cimi, it would be in Mir | 15:25 |
| Cimi | Saviq, children stay within the parent dimensions | 15:25 |
| Saviq | Cimi, said who? | 15:25 |
| Cimi | Saviq, cannot float around the screen outside the parent | 15:25 |
| Cimi | Saviq, X | 15:25 |
| Saviq | Cimi, yeah, and? | 15:25 |
| Saviq | since when do we care about what X implements? | 15:26 |
| Saviq | Cimi, really, please trust people that thought about this | 15:26 |
| Cimi | Saviq, not sure they thought about this | 15:26 |
| Saviq | Cimi, believe me, they did | 15:27 |
| Cimi | about how to implement overlay scrollbars in qt? | 15:27 |
| Cimi | and gtk? | 15:27 |
| Saviq | in Foo | 15:27 |
| Cimi | cool then | 15:27 |
| Cimi | I'll let them work on them | 15:27 |
| Saviq | Cimi, doesn't matter in what | 15:27 |
| Saviq | Cimi, what matters to Mir is making it possible | 15:27 |
| Saviq | in a sane way | 15:28 |
| Cimi | Saviq, performance will still suck though :) | 15:30 |
| Cimi | on scrolling | 15:30 |
| Saviq | Cimi, why? | 15:30 |
| Saviq | Cimi, what's different with overlay scrollbars? | 15:30 |
| Cimi | Saviq, because there is a client that waits for signals coming from the window manager/server | 15:30 |
| Cimi | and this is out of the rendering pipeline of the toolkit | 15:31 |
| Saviq | Cimi, and why does that have to suck? | 15:31 |
| Cimi | because it is slower than direct input | 15:31 |
| Cimi | if you move a mouse inside a mousearea | 15:31 |
| Saviq | Cimi, slower than 16ms? ;) | 15:31 |
| Cimi | is direct input | 15:31 |
| Saviq | Cimi, I really fail to see the bottleneck here, it's one real value to communicate every frame | 15:32 |
| Cimi | otherwise you move a window, this window is moved on the server that generates an event with how much it moved | 15:32 |
| Cimi | there is a callback connected in the toolkit that translates this into input | 15:32 |
| Saviq | Cimi, _one real value every frame_ really? bottleneck? | 15:33 |
| Cimi | Saviq, it is super slow here on compiz | 15:33 |
| Saviq | well now | 15:33 |
| Cimi | on my machine | 15:33 |
| Cimi | faster than a 3000 retina macbook | 15:33 |
| Saviq | why do you translate unity+compiz+X directly to Mir? | 15:33 |
| Saviq | Cimi, yes, we know you have a fast notebook | 15:34 |
| Cimi | Saviq, cannot imagine if it is slow here | 15:34 |
| Cimi | how it could be on a slower hardware | 15:34 |
| Saviq | Cimi, good you're not writing it then | 15:34 |
| Saviq | end of message, sorry | 15:34 |
| Cimi | anyway | 15:34 |
| Cimi | indeed | 15:34 |
| Cimi | was about to say | 15:34 |
| Cimi | just let's try to change design so we can have something much faster | 15:34 |
| Saviq | Cimi, it's a broken argument | 15:35 |
| Saviq | Cimi, "let's change design because it's slow" | 15:35 |
| Saviq | Cimi, it's not inherently slow | 15:35 |
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| Saviq | Cimi, it's slow in the current implementation, let's make the implementation better | 15:35 |
| Saviq | Cimi, some humility please | 15:35 |
| Cimi | Saviq, well I also don't like the design | 15:35 |
| Saviq | Cimi, so start with that, not with "it's slow on my beefy machine" | 15:36 |
| Saviq | Cimi, that argument won't get you anywhere | 15:36 |
| Cimi | I don't like it and is slow because of implementation | 15:36 |
| elopio | Saviq: ok, you have permissions to move it, just find a better spot. | 15:36 |
| Cimi | I much prefer other implementations of scrollbars | 15:36 |
| elopio | or we can meet with you, and then with kevin. | 15:36 |
| Saviq | elopio, would be easier if everyone had their work hours marked in the calendar :| | 15:36 |
| elopio | yeah, I've just updated mine. | 15:38 |
| Saviq | Cimi, sure, but that doesn't lead to "let's change design" unless "I don't like it" resonates with those responsible for design and/or unless "it's slow because of implementation" is analyzed and determined to be unfixable, which in this case I tell you it's crazy to think it will be slow in every implementation - again, it's just one real value to communicate every frame | 15:40 |
| Saviq | Cimi, we'd be in a much worse situation if we'd had problems to communicate that | 15:41 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, look at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1410-unity-ui-appsplash please and comment / add anything you think important | 15:41 |
| sil2100 | Saviq: btw.! | 15:59 |
| sil2100 | Saviq: we noticed an unity8 crash in our smoketesting recently, could you have someone look at that by any chance? I can fill in a bug if needed, the crash can be found here for instance: http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/utopic/touch/mako/19:20140509.1:20140506.1/7941/unity8/ | 16:00 |
| sil2100 | Saviq: (hi!) | 16:00 |
| Saviq | sil2100, isn't it the same crash on unity8 exit? | 16:06 |
| Saviq | grrrrr why no stacktrace :[ | 16:07 |
| Saviq | why aren't those preprocessed again? :) | 16:08 |
| Saviq | :( rather | 16:08 |
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| Cimi | Saviq, best way for carousel shadow now is adding a property to Card, can I? | 16:12 |
| Saviq | sil2100, same crash - bug #1315251 | 16:12 |
| ubot5 | bug 1315251 in Unity 8 "unity8 7.86+14.10.20140429.2-0ubuntu1 crashes on recent utopic images" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1315251 | 16:12 |
| Saviq | Cimi, can't the shadow be added in CardCarousel to the delegate? | 16:12 |
| Saviq | Cimi, since it's the only place where we'd use it? | 16:12 |
| Cimi | Saviq, but the delegate is the Card | 16:13 |
| Saviq | Cimi, yeah, and? | 16:13 |
| Cimi | Saviq, and to add shadow I need to set borderSource of artShape to an invalid value | 16:13 |
| Saviq | base off of https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/dynamic_specialized_cards/+merge/218089 btw | 16:13 |
| Cimi | Saviq, as well as placing under artShape | 16:14 |
| Cimi | so cardShadow | 16:14 |
| Cimi | bool | 16:14 |
| Cimi | might be easy, light | 16:14 |
| Saviq | Cimi, why do you need to remove the border, we don't want it in carousel? | 16:15 |
| sil2100 | Saviq: oh, so this one is the crash on stop as well? Thought it's something new as we had one unity8-crash on test-stop already 'fixed by itself' recently | 16:15 |
| Cimi | Saviq, nope | 16:15 |
| sil2100 | Saviq: anyway, ok, thanks for having a quick look! | 16:15 |
| Saviq | sil2100, apparently not any more | 16:15 |
| Cimi | Saviq, the border is an inset | 16:15 |
| Cimi | Saviq, we would like an outer border, but the shadow is enough | 16:15 |
| Saviq | sil2100, bug #1317968 btw | 16:16 |
| ubot5 | bug 1317968 in Ubuntu CI Services "Smoketesting doesn't preprocess .crash files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1317968 | 16:16 |
| Saviq | Cimi, ok, a) look into Albert's branch | 16:16 |
| Saviq | Cimi, we'll need to insert the borderSource: "none" to the generated delegate in case of carousel | 16:16 |
| Saviq | Cimi, and put the shadow in there under artShape | 16:17 |
| Cimi | tak | 16:17 |
| Saviq | Cimi, OTOH I still think we should be able to add the shadow in CardCarousel | 16:17 |
| Saviq | with z: -1 | 16:17 |
| Cimi | Saviq, but I need the anchors of the artShape | 16:17 |
| Cimi | Saviq, otherwise I will fill the entire card | 16:18 |
| Saviq | Cimi, the artShape *is* the card in carousel | 16:18 |
| Cimi | yeah I know | 16:18 |
| Cimi | but feels like it works because it's a specific case | 16:18 |
| Cimi | it is not anchored to the right thing | 16:18 |
| Saviq | Cimi, depends on what we want to support in the carousel | 16:18 |
| Saviq | Cimi, if we say the only supported delegates are ubuntu-shaped | 16:19 |
| Saviq | Cimi, and that carousel has drop-shadows | 16:19 |
| Saviq | Cimi, that's the right place to put it | 16:19 |
| Saviq | Cimi, if it's supposed to be specific to the dash, then CardCarousel is the place I believe | 16:19 |
| Saviq | not Card itself, we don't want the shadow anywhere else | 16:19 |
| Saviq | ~EOW o/ | 16:20 |
| Cimi | bye | 16:21 |
| Cimi | catch you monday | 16:21 |
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| Cimi | rain is waiting for me http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2643743?day=1 | 16:22 |
| Cimi | x-| | 16:22 |
| Cimi | wow weather for malta seems amazing | 16:24 |
| Cimi | Saviq, I fixed https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/preview-text-summary-bottom-padding/+merge/217903/comments/522179 for Monday | 16:31 |
| Cimi | mterry, which timezone is robert? | 16:36 |
| Cimi | thought he was in canada | 16:36 |
| mterry | Cimi, australia, not sure which | 16:36 |
| Cimi | ok | 16:36 |
| Saviq | Cimi, ah, so height of the items changed and you had to make the thing smaller? | 16:38 |
| Cimi | Saviq, from a quick look at the file | 16:38 |
| Cimi | Saviq, it looked like the item number 9 was expected to be outside of the window | 16:39 |
| Cimi | so I reduced height | 16:39 |
| Cimi | hah | 16:39 |
| Cimi | will ask albert monday | 16:39 |
| Cimi | you go and enjoy your weekend | 16:40 |
| Cimi | I have 20 mins left | 16:40 |
| Saviq | Cimi, it's my test, yeah that's correct | 16:40 |
| Saviq | Cimi, ACK | 16:43 |
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| Cimi | Still on trusty :| :D | 16:44 |
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| mhr3 | where do i get the tag remover script? | 16:51 |
| mhr3 | Saviq, ?^ | 16:51 |
| Cimi | mhr3, I'll give u | 16:52 |
| Cimi | mhr3, http://people.canonical.com/~msawicz/unity8/strip-u8-tags.sh | 16:53 |
| Cimi | mhr3, then you run both LOCAL and REMOTE | 16:53 |
| mhr3 | right, thx Cimi | 16:54 |
| Cimi | so wget http://people.canonical.com/~msawicz/unity8/strip-u8-tags.sh | 16:54 |
| Cimi | chmod | 16:54 |
| Cimi | and run with the local path | 16:54 |
| Cimi | then against where you pushed | 16:54 |
| Cimi | otherwise it happens (it happened to me) that you keep pushing the tags | 16:54 |
| Saviq | mhr3, you can supply multiple paths (i.e. ./strip-u8-tags lp:foo ~/bar lp:baz) | 16:56 |
| mhr3 | poor thing, it's deleting it one by one remotely | 16:56 |
| mhr3 | will take ages | 16:56 |
| Cimi | mhr3, and be aware it takes ages for the remotes | 16:57 |
| Cimi | hah | 16:57 |
| Cimi | mhr3, so do it when you don't want to close PC for weekend :) | 16:57 |
| Cimi | probably 30 mins or less | 16:57 |
| Cimi | more than 10 iirc | 16:57 |
| mhr3 | need to do some ironing | 16:58 |
| mhr3 | like a proper housewife | 16:58 |
| mhr3 | so i'll let it run | 16:59 |
| mhr3 | enjoy weekend everyone | 16:59 |
| Saviq | mhr3, alternative would be to maybe use liblaunchpad, couldn't be bothered :P | 16:59 |
| Cimi | mhr3, train yourself with warsow | 16:59 |
| Cimi | instagib :P | 16:59 |
| Cimi | that was fun | 17:00 |
| mhr3 | Cimi, heh, tell that to your body that i was passing by lots of times :P | 17:00 |
| mhr3 | *to your *dead* body :) | 17:00 |
| Cimi | mhr3, the very old unreal tournament has a fun instagib mode | 17:01 |
| Cimi | mhr3, runs on linux | 17:01 |
| Cimi | mhr3, we might try that... | 17:01 |
| Cimi | warsow runs crap on my notebook | 17:01 |
| mhr3 | yea, or we just convince dednick to install windows | 17:01 |
| Cimi | otherwise quake 3 | 17:02 |
| Cimi | I don't have windows on my notebook | 17:02 |
| Cimi | was thinking of malta :) | 17:02 |
| mhr3 | wow, am i the only one who doesn't delete that partition? | 17:03 |
| Cimi | mhr3, bought a SSD | 17:03 |
| mhr3 | oh that reminds me, i wanted to order the wifi chip | 17:03 |
| Cimi | no windows dvd | 17:03 |
| Cimi | mhr3, first open your laptop and find out your mini pcie | 17:04 |
| Cimi | mhr3, which model you have? | 17:05 |
| mhr3 | e430 | 17:05 |
| Cimi | http://www.lenovo.com/shop/americas/content/user_guides/e430_e530_ug_en.pdf | 17:06 |
| Cimi | actually http://support.lenovo.com/en_GB/product-and-parts/detail.page?DocID=PD023308 | 17:07 |
| Cimi | mhr3, you want this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Dual-Band-Wireless-AC-7260/dp/B00E7QGHE6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1399655043&sr=8-1&keywords=7260 | 17:09 |
| Cimi | mhr3, here we go http://www.ebuyer.com/522031-bnw-intel-dual-band-wireless-ac-7260-2x2-7260-hmwwb | 17:10 |
| Cimi | mhr3, I might buy one at that price | 17:10 |
| Cimi | so I say bye bye broadcom | 17:10 |
| mhr3 | meh, already ordered from amazon :P | 17:10 |
| Cimi | mhr3, so you in the office monday? ahahahah | 17:11 |
| mhr3 | Cimi, doesn't support prime :P | 17:12 |
| mhr3 | will arrive on tuesday probably | 17:12 |
| mhr3 | and anyway i have monday off :) | 17:12 |
| Cimi | mhr3, I'm off to gym! let me know if you want to play a bit over the weekend, we can play online | 17:14 |
| Cimi | ciao | 17:14 |
| mhr3 | Cimi, got friends staying at my place, so we'll be walking around london | 17:15 |
| Cimi | mhr3, rain is expected | 17:16 |
| Cimi | :( | 17:16 |
| mhr3 | and that's why i need to do the ironing, so there's some actual space :) | 17:16 |
| mhr3 | yea... sucks | 17:16 |
| mhr3 | but well | 17:16 |
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| mhall119 | Saviq: I'm still having to unlock and re-add apps on my Launcher when I get updates, wasn't that fixed? | 22:20 |
| Saviq | mhall119, no, it wasn't, but will be, soon | 22:21 |
| mhall119 | ah, ok, I thought that was part of the big Unity 8 update that brought the new scopes | 22:24 |
| Saviq | mhall119, no, totally unrelated :) | 22:29 |
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