[00:05] <doflaherty> mhall119, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg08031.html
[00:28] <mhall119> thanks doflaherty
[12:54] <mhall119> popey: do you have newer click tools than I do?  I ran click-run-check on my package and it didn't complain about UbuntuWebView 0.1
[13:26] <popey> mhall119: i use click tools from trunk
[13:55] <niftynate> SO
[13:55] <niftynate> I am curious.
[13:56] <niftynate> I might toss out my old 1GHz single core piece of junk and grab a more modern android phone. Naturally I'll hack it as much as I can. I'm intrigued by Ubuntu touch. What is the graphical environment? Is it possible to install GCC and python/gtk libraries? Could one feasibly compile unsupported graphical programs on it?
[14:11] <popey> niftynate: yes and no
[14:12] <popey> niftynate: you can certainly use tools like gcc and python, but anything that needs X won't work out of the box
[14:12] <popey> we don't ship x
[14:17] <niftynate> I was wondering what the graphical environment was. I'm guessing it's something akin to Android's stuff?
[14:17] <popey> we use unity8 on mir
[14:18] <niftynate> MIR. I see
[14:18] <niftynate> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Spec#Toolkit_Integration_.26_Legacy_X_Application_Support
[14:18] <niftynate> Is this bit realized yet? Does anyone know?
[14:19] <niftynate> Obviously to run inside of MIR the X will have to be modified and virtualized somehow. I dunno if that's ready yet.
[14:19] <popey> pass
[14:20] <niftynate> Freedom to compile and use legacy applications would be a big part of my attraction, but command-line applications are also comfortable. Truthfully, I can't name a lot of GUI-centric apps I'd need particularly. Mainly hexchat. :P
[14:20] <niftynate> popey: giving up on me so quickly?
[14:21] <popey> I'm playing games ☻
[14:21] <popey> irc is distracting me ☻
[14:22] <niftynate> You've got an irssi script that auto-converts emoticons to unicode faces? Bizarre.
[14:23] <popey> I do
[14:24] <niftynate> I guess xmir is something I need to research more.
[14:24] <niftynate> SOUNDS ready but I'll need to see documentation.
[14:26] <popey> i think xmir is on hold for now, and all work is on mir
[14:28] <niftynate> That statement hurts my head a little
[14:29] <niftynate> Well, barring greater legacy X support, I have now lost some interest in Ubuntu Touch.
[14:29] <niftynate> I know the support is coming, but as I stand it's an investment I have to be careful about.
[14:32] <niftynate> Who can tell me how the android app support is going?
[14:33] <Tassadar> ubuntu touch is not supposed to support android apps
[14:34] <popey> we certainly have no current plans to support android apps natively
[14:34] <niftynate> "support" these days seems to refer to how well people involved in the project will approve the idea.
[14:34] <popey> if you want it in black and white.
[14:34] <popey> you can't run android apps on ubuntu touch
[14:35] <popey> in the same way you can't run ios apps on android
[14:36] <dobey> why would you want to run tradiitonal apps on a phone anyway? they are hardly built for it
[14:37] <dobey> do you want a phone or a laptop?
[14:38] <popey> i met a guy at my LUG and when I gave a demo of ubuntu phone his first question was "can it run emacs?"
[14:39] <dobey> well it can, but the terminal app isn't really up to the keyboard combos one uses in emacs
[14:39]  * dobey wonders if there's a mir backend in upstream emacs yet
[14:40] <dobey> but can != should
[14:42] <dobey> anyway, back to weekend
[15:22] <mhall119> popey: 0.9.6.1 fails because of using Oxide UbuntuWebView, looks like a permission issue, what do I need to add to my apparmor manifest?
[15:29] <niftynate> I plan to live my 90s tv-punk-hacker dream and get a 5"+ handheld computer (phone) and one of these: http://images.gizmag.com/hero/thanko-folding-usb-keyboard.jpg
[15:30] <niftynate> I can get by with Android until the right software comes along. Thanks for your support. I'll still be watching Ubuntu Touch closely. Dalvik virtualization layers can't be that hard to do...
[15:32] <t1mp> niftynate: you should be able to compile any qt5-based apps on ubuntu touch
[15:32] <t1mp> and run even ;)
[15:33] <t1mp> uhm.. wait is it true what I'm saying? not sure about qtwidgets.. but newer apps often use qtquick anyway
[15:52] <popey> mhall119: pass
[16:02] <Steve[cloud]> anyone have any ideas as to how to resolve this reboot loop im in on a N10?
[16:42] <MOUD> Hey all
[16:43] <a_muva__> if I: system-image-cli -n, I get: Upgrade path is 19:20, but I can not upgrade (system-image-cli)
[16:59] <popey> a_muva__: yeah, wait till the next image, tomorrow
[16:59] <popey> or indeed monday
[17:11] <a_muva__> popey: OK thank you.