[00:13] <weather_forecast> :)
[00:14] <weather_forecast> whats the best safest way to mass rename files is following way - all files containing text 'sample' are having this part of their name renamed to 'samk'
[02:37] <Macer> hello. i was just a bit curious. i have a box with 4x3TB drives and wanted to start using btrfs or zfs .. is btrfs stable enough nowadays to use it in a similar fashion to raidz?
[04:04] <cridenour> So I tried to reinstall util-linux and now get a "mount: not found" - I managed to get a USB version into rescue mode for the system. What's the best way to fix this?
[04:40] <Macer> hm. i'm getting a blanked out screen when ubuntu server 14.04 boots
[04:49] <dw1> video driver issue ?
[04:49] <dw1> using a GUI on it ?
[04:49] <Macer> no
[04:49] <Macer> rather fresh install .. seemed to get past the fb part.. was starting up services and then just went blank
[04:50] <Macer> does ubuntu-server install allow you to configure a raid5 btrfs from the install?
[04:50] <Macer> maybe i'll just try to install directly to the hdds instead of using a thumb drive to boot it
[04:51] <Macer> i know i didn't see the option earlier when i tried to install it to a thumb drive but i doubt it would show it considering there was only the thumb drive to install to
[04:51] <dw1> might wanna check the logs
[04:52] <Macer> it seems more like a crash than a fb issue
[04:52] <Macer> i can't check the logs because i can't ssh to the box and the console is blanked
[04:52] <dw1> recovery mode or liveusb + mount ?
[04:53] <Macer> i'm actually going to try to run it from a liveusb in a minute
[04:53] <Macer> to see where it went wrong
[04:53] <dw1> yea you can check logs from there
[04:54] <Macer> it could be because i installed using a laptop then moved it to another pc to try to boot.. but i don't see why that should be an issue
[04:54] <dw1> :)
[04:54] <Macer> and it seems that btrfs installed as root doesn't do it cleanly
[04:54] <Macer> you need an ext(2/3/4) partition
[04:54] <Macer> which is why i was trying to boot from a thumb drive
[04:54] <dw1> may be beyond the scope of official support :p
[04:55] <Macer> booting from a thumb drive and using btrfs?
[04:55] <dw1> btrfs is 'experimental'
[04:55] <Macer> oh
[04:55] <Macer> is zfs on the same boat?
[04:55] <dw1> according to wikipedia at least
[04:55] <dw1> dont know
[04:56] <Macer> i thought btrfs was supposed to be stable as of late
[04:56] <dw1> im sure people will help anyway, just sayin' you might take some flak for it :p
[04:56] <Macer> but first let me try to boot this install thumb drive heh
[04:56] <Macer> well.. these things don't get fixed until someone uses them ;)
[04:57] <Macer> the random blanking/crashing is problematic
[04:57] <Macer> heh
[05:00] <dw1> yes
[05:00] <Macer> problem reading data from the cdrom?
[05:00] <Macer> wth? :)
[05:01] <Macer> not sure what happened there. i just did a straight dd from the iso
[05:01] <Macer> to a thumb drive
[05:52] <xzavier> hello everyone ,
[05:52] <xzavier> i got a problem, my ubuntu 14.04 can not save the brightness setting.
[05:53] <xzavier> when i reboot computer, the brightness back to 100%, does anyone has this problem?
[06:10] <dw1> xzavier: hrm, lots on google http://google.com/search?q=ubuntu+not+saving+brightness -- sorry, no personal exp
[06:10] <xzavier> i just searching that with google,
[06:10] <xzavier> thanks
[06:10] <dw1> i expect you will win soon. :)
[06:10] <dw1> hehe
[06:11] <xzavier> haha
[09:56] <h3r1> hello there... i have a strange issue with samba shared folders... some folders are always accessible while otheres are only accessible (visible) after accessing the server via ssh... could anybody help me?
[10:06] <ranno> i believe my ubuntu server got hacked a few hours ago
[10:07] <ranno> i got an email from digitalocean. : We've had to unfortunately reboot your Droplet graafik due to an issue on the underlying physical node where the Droplet runs.
[10:08] <ranno> i managed to login via digitalocean online console. found out that all connections were dropped from ssh, http, https etc
[10:09] <ranno> i investigated the bash history, where i saw some weird commands that didnt ring a bell to me
[10:09] <ranno> http://i.imgur.com/CHJ9MIw.png
[10:09] <ranno> starting from iptables save
[10:10] <ranno> seems that someone has hacked into the server and turned off the prots
[10:10] <ranno> ports *. cpu load is nearly 100%. two-three processes that take the most memory are labelled "sh"
[10:10] <dw1> if so then they had root access which means the only way to clear them out is re-image
[10:10] <ranno> they change their pid's every few seconds
[10:11] <ranno> yes, i thought about re-imaging the system and it is my next step
[10:11] <ranno> BUT
[10:11] <ranno> i need to get a database dump before
[10:11] <dw1> :(
[10:11] <ranno> now the interesting part starts
[10:11] <ranno> nearly every command i type in fails
[10:11] <dw1> should do that daily ideally if not too big
[10:12] <dw1> hmm
[10:12] <ranno> yes, from now on i will do it :D
[10:12] <ranno> mysqldump would help me out BUT http://i.imgur.com/T12cBjK.png
[10:12] <dw1> well if youre on a console connection then i would shut dwn the networking asap
[10:12] <dw1> so the guy cant do stuff anmore
[10:13] <ranno> i believe it is used for bitcoin mining
[10:14] <dw1> and find and kill the processes
[10:14] <dw1> whatever they are
[10:14] <ranno> the process id changes every few seconds
[10:14] <dasjoe> That's unusual for mining
[10:15] <ranno> here is the output of top
[10:15] <ranno> http://i.imgur.com/Sp6bJ6W.png
[10:15] <dasjoe> Paste a "ps aux", like "ps aux | pastebinit" or manually on a pastebin
[10:16] <dw1> you can get the parent process id
[10:17] <dw1> ps -f
[10:17] <dw1> umm
[10:17] <dw1> ps -ef
[10:18] <dw1> anyway you should shut off networking until you want to send off your backup
[10:19] <ranno> yeah im trying to get the results to you. but the online-console does not have mouse interactivity and the keyboard layout is really weird. i can not find the | character. copy/paste does not work also
[10:19] <dw1> just in case the boogeyman is watching you and decides to destroy everything
[10:19] <h3r1> hello there... i have a strange issue with samba shared folders... some folders are always accessible while otheres are only accessible (visible) after accessing the server via ssh... could anybody help me?
[10:19] <ranno> how to turn off the networking the right way _
[10:19] <dw1> ifdown <iface>
[10:20] <ranno> done
[10:20] <dw1> now do you dumps and zips and stuff
[10:20] <dw1> tar czfp to maintain permissions
[10:21] <ranno> i only need the mysql database backup
[10:21] <ranno> but yeah, i can not execute nearly anything
[10:21] <ranno> i try to get the ps aux response to you
[10:22] <dw1> h3r1: dont know bout that
[10:22] <dw1> ranno: iptables -F will flush the firewall
[10:23] <ranno> ps aux output
[10:23] <ranno> http://i.imgur.com/vJec9AY.png
[10:23] <dw1> ranno: ps -ef will show PPID = parent process
[10:24] <ranno> ok ps -ef output
[10:24] <ranno> http://i.imgur.com/o4CNqPN.png
[10:24] <dw1> ranno: if you do iptables -F the rules he added to /etc/iptables/rules.v4 wont be re-run until reboot .....
[10:25] <ranno> http://i.imgur.com/MFheFCz.png
[10:25] <dw1> ranno: youre just looking for the parent of the processes using 100% cpu if you care to kill them
[10:25] <dw1> ranno: otherwise just ignore them get your dump, offload it and reimage
[10:26] <ranno> i will probably save the current image for later investigation
[10:26] <ranno> but the main problem is that i can not make the dump
[10:26] <dw1> ranno: easy answer is they brute forced your root pw
[10:26] <ranno> executables do not work
[10:26] <dw1> ranno: or they stole your private key from home comp
[10:26] <dw1> hmm
[10:27] <ranno> this is what i get when i try to execute something
[10:27] <ranno> http://i.imgur.com/T12cBjK.png
[10:27] <dw1> what if you just type bash
[10:28] <ranno> nothing happens
[10:28] <dw1> prob opened a new shell
[10:28] <dw1> might seem like nothing happened :)
[10:28] <dasjoe> What makes you believe you got hacked, anyway? DigitalOcean told you they had to reboot your system
[10:29] <ranno> bash_history commands that i do not recall
[10:29] <dw1> what about things like echo does that run
[10:29] <ranno> echo displays a new line
[10:29] <ranno> yeah
[10:29] <ranno> echo works
[10:30] <dw1> what about mysql
[10:30] <ranno> bash: /usr/bin/mysql: cannot execute binary file
[10:30] <dw1> does it still have executable flags
[10:31] <dw1> ls -al /usr/bin/mysqldump
[10:31] <dasjoe> Also, they're probably using a US layout, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KB_United_Kingdom.svg for an approximate mapping to a ISO layout
[10:31] <ranno> yeah i even chmodded 777
[10:32] <dw1> well
[10:32] <dw1> you can always copy the mysql files directly
[10:32] <dw1> if they havent been destroyed
[10:32] <dw1> look in /var/lib/mysql/databasename
[10:33] <dw1> MyISAM tables?
[10:33] <dw1> im an innodb noob :p
[10:33] <ranno> yeah , the files still exist
[10:34] <dw1> tar work?
[10:34] <ranno> seems so
[10:34] <dw1> well then just tar up your /var/lib/mysql/*
[10:35] <ranno> i have to admit i have never really understood the tar flags
[10:35] <dw1> may be able to skip some things.. like ib* .. not 100% certain
[10:35] <dw1> tar czfp /path/to/archive.tgz /var/lib/mysql
[10:35] <dw1> -c create -z gzip -f filename -p keep permissions
[10:36] <dw1> also note your mysql version ..
[10:36] <dw1> if you can
[10:37] <dw1> dpkg -l | grep mysql
[10:37] <dasjoe> I seriously doubt you got hacked, ranno. You probably installed some package for the wrong architecture, thus a script can't execute a binary and retries, this are the sh processes which consume 100% cpu
[10:38] <ranno> i havent logged in for a week or so
[10:38] <ranno> but tbh, i now also doubt the hacking
[10:38] <dasjoe> Yeah, DigitalOcean told you they rebooted the system
[10:38] <dw1> maybe they ran teh iptables stuff
[10:38] <ranno> i get errors like \read-only file system
[10:38] <ranno> when trying to tar
[10:39] <dw1> wtf mode did they reboot into :)
[10:39] <dw1> http://askubuntu.com/questions/175739/how-do-i-remount-a-filesystem-as-read-write
[10:40] <ranno> http://i.imgur.com/uWtvK0G.png
[10:41] <dw1> is there anything malicious in /etc/iptables/rules.v4 ?
[10:42] <dw1> 'cause thats all the bash history says was modified
[10:42] <dw1> not too nefarious really
[10:42] <bekks> ranno: remount the filesystem read-write.
[10:43] <dw1> not like they wrote echo "haha you got owned" > /i-am-the-best
[10:43] <ranno> iptables rules
[10:43] <ranno> http://i.imgur.com/9EdQLfW.png
[10:43] <dw1> hehe
[10:43] <dw1> yea that looks not so bad
[10:44] <bekks> quite wrong actually.
[10:44] <bekks> There are no ports above 65535 :)
[10:44] <dw1> still not obviously malicious
[10:45] <bekks> Indeed.
[10:45] <dw1> tell them they rebooted wrong and to fix it :p
[10:45] <bekks> I second that.
[10:45] <ranno> when trying mount -o remount /
[10:45] <h3r1> i cannot access some samba sheres until i connect to the server via ssh. i want the samba share folders to be alway visible, without ssh connection... can somebody help me out?
[10:46] <bekks> ranno: Thats not the correct command.
[10:49] <ranno> remount,rw ?
[10:49] <bekks> ranno: Read the link given.
[10:51] <dw1> a proper boot should be rw.. dont know why it booted ro
[10:51] <dw1> but that likely explains all the stuff like no ssh
[10:52] <ranno> after reboot now
[10:52] <ranno> it said that there is something to fix
[10:52] <ranno> pressed F
[10:52] <dw1> drive failing? :/
[10:52] <ranno> and some indodes had something of value 2 that had to be 1
[10:52] <bekks> dw1: It perfectly does. No PID file can be written on a ro fs. So almost every daemon, including sshd, fails to start.
[10:54] <h3r1> please, does anybody have at least a hint for me?
[10:57] <dw1> h3r1: http://askubuntu.com/questions/274138/samba-only-works-if-logged-in-over-ssh ?
[10:58] <dw1> google ftw? :)
[10:59] <ranno> i try to umount as shown in the article
[10:59] <ranno> but i get "device is busy
[10:59] <dw1> ranno: if it mounts properly on boot shouldnt need to do that.....
[11:00] <dw1> ranno: if it doesnt mount properly on boot.. tell your provider they broke it, if they're mildly responsive, and especially if its managed
[11:00] <bekks> ranno: you cannot umount /
[11:00] <dw1> ranno: report the inode thing too
[11:01] <ranno> so okay the partition identifier is /dev/vda
[11:01] <ranno> what should the mountpoint be _
[11:01] <h3r1> dw1 thanks for the link... indeed, my share is an encrypted one... does it mean, that i have to be connected via ssh always that i want to access this share? how can i automatically mount it via ssh?
[11:01] <bekks> ranno: look at your /etc/fstab
[11:01] <bekks> h3r1: Yes, it means you need to connect using ssh prior using samba.
[11:02] <h3r1> bekks thank you
[11:02] <dw1> h3r1: or move it out of the encrypted folder
[11:04] <h3r1> dw1 is it convenient at all to hacve my home-folder encrypted on the server? i did it for security reasons...
[11:04] <dw1> h3r1: maybe you can hack it http://google.com/search?q=automatically+mount+encrypted+samba+share
[11:04] <lak-kal> hi, some soft for nikon D3200 to control from computer?
[11:05] <dw1> h3r1: i encrypt at home and on laptop mostly to prevent physical access
[11:05] <bekks> lak-kal: Define "control" a bit further please.
[11:05] <dw1> h3r1: you may not be able to protect against a snooping provider.. not sure
[11:06] <dw1> h3r1: at least not while youre logged in
[11:06] <dw1> h3r1: so it may or may not be beneficial
[11:06] <h3r1> dw1 so encryption only helps in case of phisical access?
[11:06] <bekks> h3r1: Actually yes.
[11:07] <lak-kal> bekks: control = manage,
[11:07] <ranno> etc/fstab shows two mount points> /proc and /
[11:07] <bekks> ranno: And?
[11:07] <ranno> first has a file system proc and the second has UUID=3107///
[11:07] <bekks> ranno: So look at the UUIDs your system: sudo blkid
[11:08] <bekks> lak-kal: I'd say "digikam", but it more for managing your photos.
[11:08] <dw1> h3r1: id say its unlikely your provider will snoop or have your server stolen.. :)
[11:08] <dw1> h3r1: but if someone brute forces some account or something i guess encryption could be good
[11:09] <dw1> h3r1: dont know :)
[11:09] <ranno> bekks: okay i get /dev/vda and LABEL and UUID values
[11:09] <ranno> bekks: i still dont get where do i get the mount point value
[11:09] <dw1> h3r1: assuming you have a remote server btw
[11:09] <dw1> h3r1: in a standard secure facility :)
[11:09] <bekks> ranno: the mount point is /
[11:10] <bekks> ranno: Just call your ISP to fix that issue. They broke it, they have to repair ir.
[11:10] <lak-kal> take pictures from computer : http://www.lmscope.com/produkt22/Nikon_Camera_Control_Pro_2_es.shtml
[11:10] <bekks> *it
[11:12] <lak-kal> bekks: take pictures from computer : http://www.lmscope.com/produkt22/Nikon_Camera_Control_Pro_2_es.shtml
[11:13] <ranno> ok thats it
[11:13] <ranno> opened a digitalocean ticket
[11:13] <h3r1> dw1, thank you for your advice
[11:14] <ranno> actually i now remember this is already the second time when i have problems with DO disks.
[11:14] <ranno> thank you for helping me
[13:19] <Macer> wow. i have no idea what is going on here
[13:19] <Macer> ubuntu just crashes when i try to boot it to install
[13:20] <Macer> weirdest thing ever
[13:20] <cfhowlett> !md5sum|Macer verify your ISO , verify the boot media
[13:20] <Macer> ubottu: it isn't the media
[13:20] <Macer> cfhowlett: i used the same one to install to another SD using a laptop
[13:20] <Macer> worked fine... would boot
[13:21] <zorgshanker> Macer: do you have multiple monitors plugged in by any chance?
[13:21] <Macer> no. just one.
[13:21] <Macer> it completely crashes the system tho. the usb turns off.. strangest thing ever heh
[13:21] <cfhowlett> Macer so ...  you did NOT take the 90 seconds required to verify the integrity of your the ISO.  right.
[13:22] <Macer> cfhowlett: no.. but the integrity should be proven by the fact i just used the same exact SD to install it onto another system?
[13:22] <Macer> the install media is fine
[13:22] <cfhowlett> Macer garbage in/garbage out
[13:22] <zorgshanker> Do it to rule it out
[13:25] <Macer> 01545fa976c8367b4f0d59169ac4866c *ubuntu-14.04-server-amd64.iso
[13:25] <Macer> it matches
[13:26] <Macer> it tries to boot.. reaches a certain point... then just crashes the entire system
[13:26] <Macer> and i can't even check the logs on it
[13:27] <Macer> either way tho. a fresh install simply crashing "just because" ... :/
[13:31] <Macer> maybe an issue with the amd apu stuff?
[13:34] <Macer> hm. let me try debian.
[14:51] <Macer> wow it's really the weirdest thing.. debian boots. ubuntu boots but reaches a certain point and crashes the whole box
[15:00] <Macer> yeah i'm at a loss. amazing.
[15:06] <Macer> there seems to be some awkward module that is loading that is making it crash. when going into recovery mode it boots fine
[15:06] <Macer> :/
[15:06] <Macer> wth
[15:06] <Macer> it just got to a login.. then the screen goes blank... and it crashes
[15:21] <Macer> ah.. ok. well.. nomodeset seems to have fixed the not booting problem :)
[16:44] <Macer> so what is the best way to do a swap when you are booting from an sd and want to create a raid5 btrfs across 4 disks?
[16:44] <Macer> do i just partition a couple GB per disk and add all the swap partitions to fstab?
[16:44] <Macer> then make the remainder btrfs partitions and create the raid5 btrfs?
[17:08] <h3r1> hello there... i made a  reinstall of ubuntuon my laptop... i have an encrypted home folder... i used to share the desktop folder via samba without problems. now after the reinstall it says it cannot mount it... any idea how i can fix this?
[18:16] <Macer> nice. set up the swap space and zfs on the 4x3TB drives
[18:16] <Macer> hopefully it survives this reboot
[18:25] <cloudman> Hi is Ubuntu server secure??
[18:26] <cloudman> What I mean is every core program vetted?
[18:26] <cloudman> Can we trust the very core of Ubuntu??
[18:26] <cloudman> Who checks these things??
[18:27] <cloudman> Who vefifies that Ubuntu is secure???
[18:28] <cloudman> Verifies sorry.
[18:30] <cloudman> I think security is to be a big thing and if any problems should be brought before the so called law big time
[18:30] <cloudman> who verifies all the software withing ubuntu???
[18:30] <cloudman> within
[18:31] <cloudman> Is Ubuntu secure??  If so who says so??
[18:32] <bekks> cloudman: Isnt it? Who says so?
[18:32] <cloudman> whatever dude
[18:32] <cloudman> who verifies ubuntu as secure software
[18:32] <cloudman> or any other distro
[18:33] <cloudman> I run bunt 12.04
[18:33] <cloudman> And I mean verify so that you can sue them later
[18:34] <cloudman> if not so
[18:34] <shauno> who does that for any OS?
[18:34] <cloudman> So, the main question is, is Ubuntu secure software and who says so
[18:34] <cloudman> Officially
[18:36] <cloudman> So does Ubunt give no promise of its core security???
[18:36] <cloudman> Ubuntu sry
[18:37] <Macer> cloudman: the nsa does
[18:37] <bekks> And the DoD, and the US Army, and and and.
[18:37] <bekks> Oh, and the NATO as well.
[18:37] <cloudman> Macer: dont make light dude on a important issue
[18:37] <Macer> yeah. they verify windows and osx as well
[18:37] <cloudman> Oh so we just piss it off
[18:37] <Macer> cloudman: depends on what you mean by "secure"
[18:38] <Macer> i don't think there is some govt agency that verifies that an OS is secure
[18:38] <cloudman> Macer:  all core software, who verifies it, simple question
[18:38] <shauno> I'm not aware of anyone who does this for any platform.  it's a fairly unrealistic expectation
[18:38] <dasjoe> It's open source, feel free to verify it
[18:39] <Macer> i an only assume there is some sort of private org within ubuntu that does it... i mean other than that it's pretty much "use our free stuff at your own risk"
[18:39] <cloudman> dasjoe: so they jus add it without looking at the code?
[18:39] <Macer> but then again who verifies if windows is secure as well?
[18:39] <cloudman> Macer:  just talking about Ubuntu here dude
[18:39] <jrwren> there are agencies who will take $$$ and verify an OS as FIPS compliant
[18:39] <jrwren> of course, FIPS is not very secure at all.
[18:40] <cloudman> geez guys just abswer the question
[18:40] <Macer> cloudman: nobody.
[18:40] <cloudman> answer sorry
[18:40] <jrwren> I do. i verify it secure.
[18:40] <cloudman> worked up as it is
[18:40] <jrwren> see. I looked at it, and I verified it.
[18:40] <Macer> like i said. i'm sure there are some internal testers...
[18:40] <cloudman> jrwren:  ;) lol
[18:41] <Macer> all it takes is one snowdenesque dev to make everything come off the rails
[18:41] <cloudman> Macer:  sure but who official and accountable??
[18:41] <jrwren> who verifies ANY os as far as your question goes. Windows or Mac or Android or Other?
[18:41] <Macer> cloudman: nobody
[18:41] <cloudman> GEEZ
[18:41] <Macer> any OS is use at your own risk. i'd assume even more so for something that is free and opensource
[18:41] <jrwren> ^^^
[18:41] <Macer> the faith based operating systems
[18:42] <cloudman> Macer:  is that a window for big shit
[18:42] <jrwren> all are faith based, aren't they?
[18:42] <dasjoe> cloudman: http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/governance
[18:42] <Macer> freebsd probably has CS students checking code
[18:42] <cloudman> jrwren: quiet dude
[18:42] <jrwren> Also, the original Q can only be answered with more questions. Secure from what?
[18:43] <shauno> there are no other questions.  he's already stated "And I mean verify so that you can sue them later".  which means nobody.
[18:43] <cloudman> Geez I think there are a lot of sysadmins here
[18:43] <Macer> cloudman: i'd guess that ubuntu is secure based on the fact that it has so many users that a flaw would be quickly found and fixed
[18:43] <Macer> obviously things get through like that little openssl debacle
[18:43] <cloudman> yeah like heart beed
[18:43] <cloudman> bleed
[18:43] <bekks> It was found and fixed within three hours.
[18:43] <jrwren> and that isn't open in the default ubuntu install.
[18:43] <bekks> What do you expect. Dude. Geez.
[18:43] <cloudman> but ran for 2 years
[18:43] <Macer> but anyways.. i finally finished setting up ubuntu-server and the zfs so i'm happy heh
[18:44] <Macer> good stuff
[18:44] <Macer> just need to set up samba in a bit and i'm done
[18:44] <jrwren> desktop OR server, heartbleed wasn't there OOTB, someone had to install an https server
[18:44] <Macer> oh.. and virtualbox i guess
[18:44] <cloudman> geez guys dont be so niave
[18:44] <bekks> cloudman: geez guy. dont make a drama out of nothing.
[18:44]  * Macer puts on his tin foil hat
[18:45] <jrwren> cloudman: what do you need?
[18:45] <cloudman> sure, greatr and helpful comment
[18:45] <Macer> you can always use option b... write your own OS :D
[18:45] <Macer> then you KNOW it's perfectly secure
[18:45] <bekks> cloudman: like all your rants before.
[18:45] <cloudman> so protective man
[18:45] <cloudman> bekks what rants??
[18:45] <Macer> and even then someone will find an exploit heh
[18:45] <jrwren> openbsd is great. I like a lot of what they do. I still use ubuntu.
[18:45] <bekks> cloudman: read your own backlog.
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[18:45] <cloudman> yawn as they gang up
[18:45] <jrwren> cloudman: what do you need?
[18:45] <cloudman> lol
[18:45] <bekks> *plonk*
[18:45] <cloudman> dick
[18:46] <cloudman> whats up
[18:46] <dasjoe> You? Yes
[18:46] <cloudman> just asked a basic question
[18:46] <shauno> "nobody" is a pretty basic answer.  so why drag it out?
[18:46] <cloudman> and you all came back and said basically that Ubuntu is not monitored for security lol
[18:47] <jrwren> that is what you did. that is not what was replied.
[18:47] <shauno> you've said you're looking for someone to accept legal liability.  no such party exists.
[18:47] <jrwren> monitoring for security is different than a formal verification.
[18:47] <jrwren> a quick duck duck go gives me this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam
[18:47] <cloudman> So Ubuntu does not take any security measures at all or even tries??
[18:47] <jrwren> cloudman: there is a security team.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam
[18:48] <cloudman> Tried they were out to lunch
[18:48] <jrwren> tried what?  What do you need?
[18:48] <cloudman> besides just asking questions here
[18:48] <cloudman> typical irc jump on someone
[18:51] <cloudman> jrwren:  lol duck duck, you have security issues?
[18:52] <jrwren> not right now.
[18:52] <jrwren> everyone has security issues at one time or another.
[18:52] <cloudman> duck duck wont let me access if I have peerblock running
[18:52] <cloudman> so much for not tracking
[18:52] <jrwren> i'm not familiar with peerblock
[18:52] <cloudman> obviously
[18:53] <jrwren> so you need to access duckduckgo while peerblock is running?
[18:53] <cloudman> so much for duck duck bull shit
[18:54] <IdleOne> Please keep the language clean
[18:54] <cloudman> thay dont track you, why they want to know my IP??
[18:54] <cloudman> IdleOne: sry
[18:54] <jrwren> who? duckduckgo?
[19:01] <cloudman> jrwren:  your quite a person
[19:02] <cloudman> very prevocative
[19:06] <jrwren> That was not my intention. I only want to help.
[19:06] <cloudman> no, you just wanted to troll
[19:07] <jrwren> no.
[19:07] <cloudman> on a subject you no nothing about
[19:07] <cloudman> Tell me
[19:08] <IdleOne> Seems to me you are the one trolling. I suggest you change your tone.
[19:08] <cloudman> how do you secure your Ubuntu servers??
[19:09] <cloudman> IdleOne:  not trolling here, came with some serious questions, all I got was hostility
[19:10] <cloudman> and that jrwren who is a troll
[19:16] <jrwren> cloudman: i'm sorry.
[19:16] <cloudman> np
[19:17] <cloudman> sorry here as well, only asked some questions
[19:20] <cloudman> irc is like that I guess, gets heated very quicly
[19:21] <cloudman> too quicly at times
[19:21] <cloudman> quickly
[19:58] <lordievader> Good evening.
[21:42] <xeno_> Just tried to install fvwm-crystal on ubuntu-server, then rebooted, and still got no window manager.
[22:10] <xeno_> So now I have a fully installed gnome shell and it just comes up a gray screen with no menus.
[22:34] <fun> hey folks
[22:35] <fun> is it relatively tricky to mass rename parts of files names?
[22:35] <fun> I got soft to do it in win via regex but maybe in Linux its also easy?
[22:41] <Patrickdk> rename
[22:41] <Patrickdk> I know, it's kindof magical
[22:41] <Patrickdk> but it does do what it's name suggests
[22:42] <fun> well i want to rename part of file names
[22:42] <Patrickdk> so?
[22:42] <Patrickdk> are you telling me rename doesn't support that?
[22:43] <Patrickdk> cause I'm pretty sure I use it daily for that purpose
[22:43] <fun> I dont know how to do it, any ideas?
[22:44]  * Patrickdk wonders off to look for a better rename tool :(
[22:44] <Patrickdk> use rename?
[22:44] <fun> and syntaks?
[22:44] <fun> :D
[22:45] <Patrickdk> rename - renames files based on the perl expression passed to it
[22:45] <Patrickdk> works using standard pcre
[22:45] <Patrickdk> I dunno anything more powerful than that
[22:45] <fun> hmm I am googling syntaks
[22:46] <fun> yet to find
[22:46] <Patrickdk> no idea what a syntaks is
[22:46] <Patrickdk> you don't have man installed?
[22:46] <fun> man is too long
[22:46] <fun> I use google usually to find command I need
[22:56] <xeno_> I still don't have my complete desktop environment.  Anyone have a suggestion?  I just installed ubuntu-desktop, and there is no menu bar.  Nothing but a dropdown.
[23:00] <xeno_> There must be a step to make this work.  Obviously nobody wants it to be in documentation, because I cannot find it on google.
[23:03] <fun> hey xeno
[23:03] <fun> what do u want to do?
[23:09] <xeno_> I just have an ubuntu server install, and I want to have a desktop that works, that has basic tools.  It doesn't need to have all the bells and whistles, just a functioning desktop, with basic stuff.
[23:09] <xeno_> Like a search for apps.
[23:10] <xeno_> So I tried fvwm, and it was completely functionless.  Not even a window manager.  I tried gnome shell, and all I got was a gray screen with no function
[23:11] <xeno_> Then I tried ubuntu-desktop, and I have a right click dropdown, but no other function.
[23:11] <xeno_> It says installing ubuntu-desktop gives you everything.  Well, it doesn't.
[23:11] <xeno_> Not only does it not work, but it takes forever not to work.
[23:12] <xeno_> And the instruction I see has no other statement about giving you a fully functional desktop.
[23:15] <fun> ok
[23:15] <fun> I can help u
[23:15] <fun> but when u install desktop server gets slower
[23:15] <fun> which ubuntu u use?
[23:15] <fun> version
[23:20] <xeno_> I just need the latest ubuntu server with a desktop.  I am going to do development work on it using virtualbox.
[23:21] <xeno_> It doesn't need to be fast.  It just needs to be a good internal tools development box.
[23:22] <fun> sudo apt-get install update-manager-core
[23:22] <fun> do-release-upgrade
[23:22] <fun> that goes to latest 14.04
[23:22] <xeno_> I just wish I'd installed debian server, which comes with what I need.  But my pin drive broken and I'm stuck with this now.
[23:23] <fun> then sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[23:23] <fun> simple :D
[23:26] <xeno_> And yes, I know I should have started with desktop, but again, my usb drive broke, and I need to get this done.
[23:27] <xeno_> I did do apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, and it didn't work the first time.
[23:27] <xeno_> I went back and forth trying things, and it kindof works now.
[23:28] <xeno_> Ok.  I'll try the update--* sequence you describe.  Thank you.
[23:50] <fun> xeno :)