[00:48] <jrwren> ugh... was just pointed out that this (C) API thing is a reason why maybe projects didn't copy amazon AWS api.
[00:48] <rick_h_> :/
[00:54] <rick_h_> oh man, missed it by one number https://pastebin.canonical.com/109999/
[00:55] <bookiebot> http://is.gd/WR7tGb - OpenID transaction in progress
[12:03] <dzho> > need to apologize to  Microsoft.
[12:03] <dzho> um, no.
[12:03] <dzho> that one company has done something evil doesn't negate another company having done something evil.
[12:04] <dzho> the best you can take away from this is that companies are a land of contrasts.
[12:05] <dzho> mutable, amoral amalgamations of personalities and agendas that make for fickle "friends"
[14:14] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:15] <cmaloney> dzho: I mean regarding Mono and all of the nasty thing the community said were possible
[14:15] <cmaloney> None of which came to pass outside of Oracle.
[14:18] <rick_h_> morning
[14:21] <dzho> cmaloney: they're still possible
[14:22] <cmaloney> True, it is
[14:23] <dzho> oh, the other thing about companies:  potentially immortal
[14:23] <cmaloney> But I find it still ironic that Java got a small pass from the community while Microsoft was accused of all sorts of treachery
[14:23] <dzho> yes, giving Java a pass was a mistake
[14:23] <cmaloney> yet Java is demonstrating that same treachery.
[14:23] <dzho> and I know hardcore free software types who, if anyone whines about this, would definitely be all "I'll told you so"
[14:24] <cmaloney> dzho: Agreed. The community should have pressed harder on Sun / Oracle to get the language more open
[14:24] <cmaloney> Same here. Identi.ca is full of them. :)
[14:24] <dzho> even back in the day, they were being jerks about stuff.  cf, the licensing of ZFS
[14:25] <dzho> this is what bugs me now about the systemd controversy.
[14:26] <dzho> I see Poettering as something of a de Icaza, nattering on about how people are just stuck in their ways and just hate progress and we have to compete and blah blah blah
[14:30] <dzho> I mean, it's 20 years after the Unix Wars, we've seen this stuff play out several times before already.
[14:32] <cmaloney> Haven't followed systemd enough to form an opinion
[14:33] <dzho> cmaloney: yeah, but the freedesktop stuff is really starting to pervade the distros more generally, so . . . you're soaking in it, at any rate
[14:35] <cmaloney> Yeah, I know it's going to affect me at some point
[14:35] <cmaloney> Just haven't taken the time to dig deeper.
[14:37] <dzho> I'm trying to acclimatize myself.  I get irked when I have to go digging into some weird settings file somewhere outside my home dir, but recently discovered "udisks" for managing USB hard drives.
[14:41] <dzho> cmaloney: so, usually, it's less me actively seeking it out and more me having to find out how to do what I want with the way things are now.
[14:42]  * dzho should catch up on identi.ca a little bit
[14:42] <cmaloney> https://identi.ca/snapl
[14:42] <bookiebot> http://is.gd/uGzkZe - Craig Maloney - Identi.ca
[14:42] <cmaloney> Still there. Still posting. :)
[14:47] <dzho> is there some way to see a general timeline?
[14:48] <dzho> if I go to identi.ca I just get the insipid pump.io splash page
[14:48] <gamerchick02> morning
[14:49] <dzho> howdy
[14:50] <gamerchick02> cmaloney, i can't seem to follow you with my micro.fragdev account
[14:50] <gamerchick02> *le sad*
[14:50] <gamerchick02> pumpio is a dorkio
[14:50] <cmaloney> dzho: There really isn't a general timeline unfortunately
[14:50] <cmaloney> they made it completely decentralized.
[14:50] <cmaloney> Which is a bit of a pain in the ass.
[14:51] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: What's your URL?
[14:51] <gamerchick02> http://micro.fragdev.com/gamerchick02
[14:51] <bookiebot> http://is.gd/GJogOL - Amy H. (gamerchick02) - Micro.Fragdev.com
[14:51] <gamerchick02> whoa
[14:51] <gamerchick02> bookiebot? didn't know there was a bot in here!
[14:51] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: That's a Statusnet instance
[14:51] <gamerchick02> bots everywhere!
[14:51] <cmaloney> it's not compatible with pumpio
[14:52] <gamerchick02> well poo
[14:52] <gamerchick02> not fair
[14:54] <cmaloney> You should have an identi.ca account.
[14:57] <gamerchick02> i do
[14:57] <gamerchick02> i don't use it
[14:57] <gamerchick02> i can't get it to connect to very many things, lol
[14:57] <cmaloney> Yeah, I find I don't use it that much either.
[14:57] <cmaloney> The one that I use most of all is Google+
[14:58] <gamerchick02> cool, i'll hang with you there
[14:58] <gamerchick02> :-P
[15:08] <jrwren> zomg, I missed stupid conversation this morning.
[15:09] <jrwren> potentially immortal? or immoral?
[15:12] <cmaloney> Both. :)
[15:13] <jrwren> just like humans. companies are no different... cept they are potentially immortal
[15:24] <dzho> well, amoral
[15:25] <dzho> that is, neither moral nor immoral--it's something that just doesn't apply
[15:25] <dzho> oh, duh
[15:25]  * dzho didn't see the t
[15:25] <dzho> no, I meant immortal
[15:26] <dzho> like, how old is general electric?
[15:26]  * dzho looks
[15:26] <dzho> 1889
[15:27] <dzho> and, you can chop them up into pieces and those pieces keep going, like zombies
[15:27] <dzho> cf, Merck and Bayer doing a big shuffle of business lines recently
[18:33] <jrwren> didn't someone write a piece a while back about how everything can be traced back to east india tea co?
[22:05] <cmaloney> BTW: At the MUG meeting I'll be raffling off an ASUS 7750 card.
[22:05] <cmaloney> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121655
[22:05] <bookiebot> http://is.gd/84IXrI - ASUS HD7750-DCSL-1GD5 Radeon HD 7750 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card - Newegg.com