[00:48] ugh... was just pointed out that this (C) API thing is a reason why maybe projects didn't copy amazon AWS api. [00:48] :/ [00:54] oh man, missed it by one number https://pastebin.canonical.com/109999/ [00:55] http://is.gd/WR7tGb - OpenID transaction in progress [12:03] > need to apologize to Microsoft. [12:03] um, no. [12:03] that one company has done something evil doesn't negate another company having done something evil. [12:04] the best you can take away from this is that companies are a land of contrasts. [12:05] mutable, amoral amalgamations of personalities and agendas that make for fickle "friends" [14:14] Good morning [14:15] dzho: I mean regarding Mono and all of the nasty thing the community said were possible [14:15] None of which came to pass outside of Oracle. [14:18] morning [14:21] cmaloney: they're still possible [14:22] True, it is [14:23] oh, the other thing about companies: potentially immortal [14:23] But I find it still ironic that Java got a small pass from the community while Microsoft was accused of all sorts of treachery [14:23] yes, giving Java a pass was a mistake [14:23] yet Java is demonstrating that same treachery. [14:23] and I know hardcore free software types who, if anyone whines about this, would definitely be all "I'll told you so" [14:24] dzho: Agreed. The community should have pressed harder on Sun / Oracle to get the language more open [14:24] Same here. Identi.ca is full of them. :) [14:24] even back in the day, they were being jerks about stuff. cf, the licensing of ZFS [14:25] this is what bugs me now about the systemd controversy. [14:26] I see Poettering as something of a de Icaza, nattering on about how people are just stuck in their ways and just hate progress and we have to compete and blah blah blah [14:30] I mean, it's 20 years after the Unix Wars, we've seen this stuff play out several times before already. [14:32] Haven't followed systemd enough to form an opinion [14:33] cmaloney: yeah, but the freedesktop stuff is really starting to pervade the distros more generally, so . . . you're soaking in it, at any rate [14:35] Yeah, I know it's going to affect me at some point [14:35] Just haven't taken the time to dig deeper. [14:37] I'm trying to acclimatize myself. I get irked when I have to go digging into some weird settings file somewhere outside my home dir, but recently discovered "udisks" for managing USB hard drives. [14:41] cmaloney: so, usually, it's less me actively seeking it out and more me having to find out how to do what I want with the way things are now. [14:42] * dzho should catch up on identi.ca a little bit [14:42] https://identi.ca/snapl [14:42] http://is.gd/uGzkZe - Craig Maloney - Identi.ca [14:42] Still there. Still posting. :) [14:47] is there some way to see a general timeline? [14:48] if I go to identi.ca I just get the insipid pump.io splash page [14:48] morning [14:49] howdy [14:50] cmaloney, i can't seem to follow you with my micro.fragdev account [14:50] *le sad* [14:50] pumpio is a dorkio [14:50] dzho: There really isn't a general timeline unfortunately [14:50] they made it completely decentralized. [14:50] Which is a bit of a pain in the ass. [14:51] gamerchick02: What's your URL? [14:51] http://micro.fragdev.com/gamerchick02 [14:51] http://is.gd/GJogOL - Amy H. (gamerchick02) - Micro.Fragdev.com [14:51] whoa [14:51] bookiebot? didn't know there was a bot in here! [14:51] gamerchick02: That's a Statusnet instance [14:51] bots everywhere! [14:51] it's not compatible with pumpio [14:52] well poo [14:52] not fair [14:54] You should have an identi.ca account. [14:57] i do [14:57] i don't use it [14:57] i can't get it to connect to very many things, lol [14:57] Yeah, I find I don't use it that much either. [14:57] The one that I use most of all is Google+ [14:58] cool, i'll hang with you there [14:58] :-P [15:08] zomg, I missed stupid conversation this morning. [15:09] potentially immortal? or immoral? [15:12] Both. :) [15:13] just like humans. companies are no different... cept they are potentially immortal [15:24] well, amoral [15:25] that is, neither moral nor immoral--it's something that just doesn't apply [15:25] oh, duh [15:25] * dzho didn't see the t [15:25] no, I meant immortal [15:26] like, how old is general electric? [15:26] * dzho looks [15:26] 1889 [15:27] and, you can chop them up into pieces and those pieces keep going, like zombies [15:27] cf, Merck and Bayer doing a big shuffle of business lines recently [18:33] didn't someone write a piece a while back about how everything can be traced back to east india tea co? [22:05] BTW: At the MUG meeting I'll be raffling off an ASUS 7750 card. [22:05] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121655 [22:05] http://is.gd/84IXrI - ASUS HD7750-DCSL-1GD5 Radeon HD 7750 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card - Newegg.com