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* ochosi notest that even weeks after the release, there has been no single complaint about the removal of ibus...08:15
* elfy compares that to the likely result of leaving it in - so that's a win :p08:18
Unit193Seems like it messes with chromium, from what I ehar.08:19
elfythen people can reinstall ibus if they need it - but chromium isn't anything I would worry about 08:19
Unit193No, I mean that ibus messes with chromium if you have both, and ditto on the second bit. :P08:20
ochosilooking at errors.ubuntu.com, chromium is a bit messed up currently08:20
ochosiknome: how long until we can publish the article on locking? (just asking cause right now there's someone again in #x asking for answers that are given in it)08:30
jhenkehi folks08:43
ochosihey jhenke 08:46
ochosibtw, didn't you want some stuff to work on? :)08:46
ochosithere are still some 14.04 issues that need addressing08:49
jhenkesadly I already have too much other stuff to do right now, thats also why I have been here not so regulary the last week09:10
jhenkeI try to be of some help later when I have some more room again09:15
knomeochosi, hrhr09:23
knomeochosi, don't expect anything from me now, i'm not xpl :P09:23
knomeochosi, i'll have to talk with pleia2, then do the changes (won't take much time as soon as i get to it) and then get them ready for the IS.09:24
knomeochosi, re: question on #xubuntu right now, can light-locker get "just" the wallpaper color if there is no wallpaper?09:25
knomeochosi, also, ping me when you get vback09:27
knome-v09:27
knomei'm around for probably an hour or so, then back late today09:27
knomeok, i'm off09:51
knomeochosi, ping me later anyway :)09:51
ochosiknome: ping09:55
ochosijhenke: okeydokey, feel free to get in touch anytime09:55
ochosiknome: just read up on the question on #x, that's lightdm-gtk-greeter, not the locker. and it just takes what accountsservice gives you, which is always a wallpaper and never a color.10:03
ochosiand the fallback is the system default, which is the xubuntu wallpaper10:03
ochosiunless you change it in the config file to a color10:04
ochosiali1234: quick question, you mentioned a fix/workaround for xfsettingd always miscalculating the monitor count by 1 (seems to be happening with nvidia propr drivers at least), do you still have that anywhere?10:10
elfyibus is being installed in default xubuntu again10:24
elfyibus is also being forced into an existing utopic install after an update/grade10:24
elfyhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20140511/utopic-desktop-i386.manifest10:26
ochosiaha, dependency chain or what being the reason for that?10:33
elfyno idea - I've just stopped spitting feathers :(10:34
elfyno real idea even how to know tbh 10:34
elfyI don't see why dependency though - I purged it and it just removed itself10:35
ochosiyeah, but it can still be recommended by something we install10:40
ochosiand hence get pulled but be removeable10:40
ochosiUnit193: care to take a look why that ^ happens?10:40
elfyI thought we dealt with that 10:40
ochosiit can always happen that recommends of packages change and then pull in unexpected stuff10:42
elfyyea 10:43
elfyprobably what happened the first time around10:43
elfyhttp://pastebin.com/rLzAr2ZV10:43
ochosiyup, can't hurt to investigate soon enough10:43
elfythat's the log with the offending (and it does offend me ;) ) install of it 10:44
elfywouldn't be so much of a pita if the thing actually worked with keyboard layouts :)10:44
ochosiwait, gnome-settings-daemon? :(10:44
elfywell that certainly recommends ibus10:51
ochosiyeah, and it's certainly something we don't want10:51
ochosiso i guess we gotta follow the breadcrumbs from there onwards10:52
elfyI don't know where to look - I know there is somewhere - but didn't keep a link to it :p10:53
elfyochosi: do you want me to do a bug for this so we can keep tabs on it10:58
ochosiyeah, we should probably set up a utopic-xubuntu-bugs blueprint and then link that bugreport there too10:59
ochosiwould be great if you could do that10:59
ochosicurrently trying to look into our suspend/lid-close/lock bug again...10:59
elfyfunnily you should mention the blueprint - I did one :p10:59
elfyochosi: what to report it against though - not sure - I assume not ibus, but one of our's11:00
ochosiyeah, good question...11:00
ochosielfy: for the time being, xubuntu-meta i guess11:03
elfyok - I'll do that - we can deal with it later, but at least it will be on the list 11:04
ochosiexactly, thanks11:07
elfyochosi: ok - all done 11:07
elfybug 131831911:07
ubottubug 1318319 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Return of ibus to Xubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131831911:07
ochosiand that blueprint also exists already you said?11:08
elfyI guess you should know now :p11:13
elfyhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-u-bugs and  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-u-qa11:14
elfyI thought it would help whoever ended up being xpl not having to do all the blueprints :p11:19
ochosithanks :)11:24
ochosiyes, it does11:24
ochosiwe should list them all on some wiki page so ppl can find them more easily11:25
elfyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap something perhaps 11:25
elfyin the utopic header - link the main blueprint when we have it - the others will link from that? 11:26
bluesabremorning everyone11:43
elfymorning bluesabre 11:43
bluesabrehows it going?11:43
elfygoing well thanks :)11:44
lderanelfy, ping11:47
elfybluesabre: http://pastebin.com/P7WDAzNd - was looking at things to playt music with - noticed that parole was almost constantly wanting ~15% CPU11:48
elfylderan: pong 11:48
elfylderan: so currently on the qa blueprint I've got 'Target specific apps for autopilot during this cycle'11:49
lderanokay11:49
elfywhat would be good I think is for us to actually go for gtk3 apps - they appear to be more likely to get somewhere - is that right?11:50
lderanyeah11:50
lderantheres not much we can do with the others11:50
elfyok 11:51
elfyso if the list is right - there are 6 gtk3 apps without a test - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Utopic/Autopilot11:51
elfyas it appears that however often we ask if anyone is interested the answer is tumbleweed ...11:52
elfyare you going to have time to get any of those done? 11:52
elfybecause no-one's coming forward to join in 11:53
elfyI'd help if I could 11:53
bluesabreelfy, I can confirm that the cpu usage does seem high11:53
lderani will do them next week, i have gotten my afternoons back from work for the next 2 weeks \o/11:53
bluesabrewant to report a bug to the bugzilla?11:53
lderanthen im on holiday for a week after that11:53
elfylderan: there's no rush - I'd rather know that we can get 1 done definitely - if you see where I'm going 11:54
lderanyeah i do, i would like to get them done while i know i have the time to do them :)11:54
elfylderan: change that blueprint line to reflect that you're doing it - maybe add a line for which you intend to do11:55
elfyplease :)11:55
lderansure thing :)11:55
elfyawesome11:55
* elfy aims to get QA blueprint all DONE by end of May :p11:55
lderan\o/11:56
elfybluesabre: ok 11:56
bluesabrethanks11:56
bluesabrewe'll tackle the resource usage this cycle since we're pretty happy with the rest of the app11:57
elfybluesabre: do we need a LP one as well - we can track it on blueprint then ?11:57
bluesabresure, and then we can link the lp one to the xfce one11:57
elfyyep - I'll go do that then11:57
bluesabreexcellent, thanks elfy11:58
elfylderan: ok - so anything else that you can think of we need to worry about blueprint wise?11:58
lderancan't think of anything but will let you know if i do11:59
elfyand please keep trello current - easier to put detail there imo 11:59
elfyok - thanks - I'll leave you to have a good day then :)12:00
lderanwill do12:00
lderanthanks :)12:00
elfybluesabre: bug 131832612:08
ubottubug 1318326 in parole (Ubuntu) "High CPU usage while playing audio files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131832612:08
bluesabrethanks elfy :)12:08
elfyand it's on the u bug blueprint as well 12:08
elfy2 bugs today \o/ 12:09
bluesabreI'm wrapping up the main menulibre bugs and preparing for a new release today (that should hit T and U)12:09
bluesabrewewp12:09
elfywoohoo 12:09
ochosihey bluesabre 12:12
bluesabrehey ochosi12:12
ochosibtw, i looked into xdg-screensaver a bit today12:13
ochosiit's very odd, it *should* actually work and inhibit the screensaver even with the X11 extension12:13
ochosiyou can look into /usr/bin/xdg-screensaver12:13
bluesabreI find a lot of *shoulds* when working with xdg-*12:13
ochosiit's a fairly simplistic script that checks for what screensavers are installed12:14
ochosia bit like xflock in fact12:14
bluesabrehm12:18
ochosilots of ifs and stuff12:19
* elfy sits down to watch people running in circles 12:19
elfywish I could help ;)12:19
bluesabreseems like you might want to start by expanding detectDE12:19
ochosielfy: you already did the blueprint, that's great stuff tbh12:19
ochosielfy: you can also set up the other bps and email the team leads about filling them ;)12:20
bluesabreyeah, seems like we just need to add light-locker support in there12:21
elfyochosi: I can if you want - sitting here thinking about making the rest of the day as lazy as the morning was :)12:21
ochosiyup, but honestly as it doesn't detect it, it *should* do the right thing (i.e. modify the xset props)12:21
bluesabretowards the bottom:12:21
bluesabredetectDE12:21
bluesabre# Consider "xscreensaver" a separate DE12:21
bluesabrexscreensaver-command -version 2> /dev/null | grep XScreenSaver > /dev/null && DE="xscreensaver"12:21
bluesabre# Consider "gnome-screensaver" a separate DE12:21
ochosielfy: hehe, thanks, that'd be great!12:21
bluesabregnome-screensaver-command -q > /dev/null 2>&1 && DE="gnome_screensaver"12:21
bluesabreyeah12:21
bluesabrebut there seems to be a difference between controlling just the xscreensaver12:22
bluesabreI'd add some output to the if/else chain and figure out where its landing12:23
elfybluesabre: obviously a reason for it - but cpu usage in parole when watching a video is nowhere near the usage with audio - added it to the bug report12:26
bluesabrecool, that will help figure out whats going in12:26
bluesabreand thinking about it now, I think I might know where all the cpu cycles come from12:27
elfymmm - added it to both bugzilla and LP - but doesn't LP grab comments from the outside source? probably a waste of time lol 12:27
ochosithanks bluesabre 12:27
bluesabreyeah, LP will automatically display external comments after a while12:29
ochosii mean adding a special case for light-locker should also work...12:29
ochosiand i hope this would not only fix parole, but all other players too12:29
bluesabreyeah, hopefully :)12:29
ochosiwell i don't think xscreensaver does anything else about it, tbh12:30
ochosibtw, reviewed and merged that greeter MR today12:30
bluesabreit does a bit... screensaver_xscreensaver()12:31
bluesabrethanks for that ochosi12:31
ochosiyeah, i meant: xscreensaver itself doesn't do anything in terms of listening to player-signals itself12:31
ochosiwhoops, that was a bit too much itself )12:31
ochosi:)12:31
ochosiso i guess other players also at least try xdg-screensaver12:32
elfyin itself that's not too much too worry about :p12:32
ochosihehe, thanks elfy :)12:32
bluesabre:)12:33
elfyochosi: so - I need to put someone in the Approver box for these things - that is you ;)12:36
ochosiwhat approver box?12:36
elfyin the blueprint12:36
elfyit was knome - but he's escaped now ;)12:36
elfyat the moment it's not really any issue as they're not approved/registered by -release 12:37
elfyor I can put my name in and then when you approve them you can change it - maybe that way would be better, so you know what you have approved12:38
ochosisounds good to me!12:38
elfyok12:38
ochosibluesabre: btw, how are you debugging that at the moment?12:46
bluesabredebugging...?12:46
elfyochosi: do you want me to do roadmap and new features blueprint as well ?12:46
bluesabrethrowing lots of code at menulibre12:46
bluesabreseeing what sticks12:46
bluesabrelike spaghetti noodles12:46
ochosioh, i thought you were looking at xdg-screensaver :)12:46
bluesabreoh, I just glanced at it12:47
bluesabre:)12:47
bluesabreyou're the light-locker dev ;)12:47
ochosielfy: yup, please12:47
ochosibluesabre: awwwwh :) this isn't light-locker related though12:47
ochosithe same should happen to anyone who doesn't use xscreensaver or gnome-screensaver12:47
bluesabreit kind of is ;)12:47
ochosii'm currently looking into the lid-close problem12:48
bluesabrehow does unity handle it?12:48
ochosilid-close?12:48
bluesabrenot locking12:48
ochosinot locking?12:49
ochosisorry, you lost me there12:49
bluesabrewhen playing a bideo12:49
bluesabre*video12:49
ochosimy guess is this:12:49
bluesabrenot activating the screensaver that is12:49
ochosiplayers handle it by calling xdg-screensaver12:49
ochosibut i dunno12:49
ochosicurrently #u-desktop is dead so i can't ask there12:50
bluesabresince they no longer use gnome-screensaver, I'd be interesting in looking at the unity-locker code12:50
ochosimaybe they also handle it by gnome/unity-settings-daemon12:50
bluesabreah12:50
bluesabretrue12:50
bluesabrecheaters12:50
ochosias they do with most of their stuff12:50
ochosiit could be useful being able to "plug in" stuff into xfsettingsd12:50
ochosianyway, that's a different story12:51
ochosilemme know when you have time, then we can also look into the xdg-screensaver thing together12:52
ochosii'll look at xfpm meanwhile12:52
bluesabreok12:54
bluesabrehopefully I'll actually be around today12:55
bluesabredidn't get home til 3am last night, so my wife should be asleep until noon12:55
bluesabre:)12:55
ochosihuhu12:57
ochosiso no photo-shoot today i suppose :)12:57
elfyochosi: you has mail 13:12
ochosiyup, already acted on one of them13:12
elfythey are all built now 13:12
ochosithans13:12
ochosiks13:12
elfyI meant from me :D 13:12
ochosioh :)13:13
ochosihehe13:13
ochosihaven't received that one yet then13:13
elfyI really don't know what mail you have :p13:13
elfyI just sent it :)13:13
ochosigood good13:13
elfyno idea what to do with them afterwards - I know that -release do something eventually :)13:15
elfyand I would guess that the roadmap one has all the others as dependencies13:15
ochosiwill talk to knome about it13:16
elfyyea13:17
ochosiluckily the next release will not bring so many drastic changes and not such a high amount of workitems as the last13:17
elfyindeed13:17
ochosielfy: linked up the blueprints to the https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-u-flavor-xubuntu now13:32
elfythanks :)13:33
ochosiwell, thank you ;)13:33
elfythey just need fleshing out now then :)13:34
ochosiindeed13:34
elfyexcept the bugs one - we don't want that one to be fleshed out :D13:34
ochosihuhu13:35
ochosibluesabre: still around?13:58
bluesabreochosi: yup13:58
ochosisooo13:59
ochosiit looks like we have a real promising fix for the lid-close problem13:59
ochosibut i guess lls will need another update for that as well13:59
ochosicause light-locker needs to handle lock-on-suspend again14:00
bluesabreyay!14:00
ochosibut now that might create another headache14:01
ochosicause light-locker then somehow needs to "secretly" tell xfpm *not* to lock on suspend14:01
bluesabreyay14:03
ochosi:>14:03
bluesabre(without the !)14:03
ochosiactually eric just said that it worked for him14:04
ochosiso maybe it'll just be fine14:04
ochosiwe need to just tell light-locker-settings to always add the "--lock-on-suspend" again when that option is set in lls14:04
ochosithat should suffice14:04
* ochosi knocks on wood14:04
elfyow :(14:05
elfythat's my head14:05
ochosibluesabre: could i ask you to do a PPA upload of the fixed version? (will land in github)14:05
bluesabreochosi: sure thing14:05
ochosiand ideally a light-locker-settings version with that tiny change included14:05
ochosithen we can really ask ppl to test it14:05
bluesabrecommit that change to trunk :)14:06
bluesabreor I'll do it shortly14:06
bluesabrealmost finished fixing menulibre14:06
ochosiyay!14:06
ochosielfy: yeah, it's all a bit confusing and complicated, hopefully we can clean this up in the next releases14:06
elfyyep14:07
elfybut I was referring to you knocking on wood :p14:07
ochosihaha, ok14:07
ochosididn't get that at first14:07
* elfy thinks that this new team PPA thing will be really useful 14:07
ochosiyup14:08
ochosibluesabre: ok, here goes the xfpm thingy we need: https://github.com/EricKoegel/xfce4-power-manager/commit/21b8e5abf4e5f93c28cb964b4618b9b50978095114:09
bluesabredid we ever finalize the team ppa idea?14:09
ochosiwe planned to talk about it in a meeting14:09
ochosibut the discussion was heading the way of using the xubuntu-dev PPA14:09
elfygo carried over from last weeks meeting14:09
ochosiso packages would need approval from someone in xubuntu-dev14:10
elfyI thought we were looking at having 2 ?14:10
ochosimaybe, yeah14:10
bluesabreok, I'll create the package in my own ppa for now until thats cleared up14:10
elfyone for testing things with14:10
ochosione for bugfix, one for new apps14:10
ochosithat was the main idea14:10
elfyyea14:10
elfythat makes sense to me 14:10
ochosiwe could also do PPAs controlled by x-dev that carry the release number they're for in the name14:13
ochosiso ppl don't get confused easily14:13
ochosie.g. xubuntu-staging-14-1014:13
elfyyep14:16
ochosixubuntu-extras-14-1014:16
ochosior something like that14:16
ochosiUnit193: thoughts ^ ?14:16
bluesabre>.<14:31
bluesabrewine apps make everything more difficult14:32
bluesabretheir desktop files are installed with spaces14:32
bluesabreit seems xdg-menu-install doesn't properly parse spaces14:32
ochosimeh14:33
bluesabreer, xdg-desktop-menu install14:33
ochosistupid xdg stuff14:33
bluesabrexdg-desktop-menu uninstall doesn't work at all, just freezes14:33
bluesabreneed to report these bugs14:33
bluesabreand work around them in menulibre14:34
ochosibrainwash: wanna test a fix for the lock-suspend problem?14:35
brainwashochosi: I cannot test it cause I'm not affected by the problem :/14:36
bluesabrebbiab14:37
brainwashwell, I can test it, but I cannot confirm if it fixes the problem :)14:37
ochosibrainwash: you mean lid close +lock+suspend works fine for you? with the default 14.04 setup?14:37
brainwashstill 13.10 here14:38
brainwashelfy will gladly test it14:39
brainwashin case the lid is still functional from all the previous testing :)14:40
* elfy probably isn't sure what state the thing is in ... 14:40
brainwashI will have to upgrade my test system to utopic, roughly 7500 packages14:49
brainwashthis will take a while14:49
brainwashslow connection + very very slow hdd14:49
brainwashelfy: does parole also eat your cpu resources in 14.04?14:50
OvenWerk1brainwash: parole is using 7% on 14.04 with all my cpus sitting at 800Mhz (ondemand)14:53
brainwashappears to be quite high14:54
brainwashsound only, right?14:54
OvenWerk1Audio going the long way through pulse then jack.14:55
brainwashbut those are separate processes14:55
OvenWerk1parole on its own is 4.3%14:55
brainwashah14:56
brainwashthat's a different story then14:56
elfybrainwash: no idea of the top of my head - I don't use it generally and I've not booted 14.04 to use for a while now14:56
brainwashelfy: ok, maybe we'll get more information later on14:57
elfyI only noticed it this morning14:57
brainwashI see14:58
brainwashand you've already assigned it to the 14.10 bugs blueprint14:58
elfyyes15:00
elfywhy?15:01
bluesabrethe resource usage is probably a draw function that's being rapidly fired15:04
bluesabresince its only with the audio portion15:05
bluesabreand we have custom drawing going on15:07
bluesabrethat's what the issue was with the greeter earlier15:08
elfyochosi: this laptop is now in a position where it is broken with suspend and lid-close again15:10
ochosielfy: okeyokey, depending on how long it takes bluesabre to set the PPA up, we'll have something to test for you :)15:46
elfyok noss15:50
elfyboss even15:50
ochosibluesabre: maybe we can do this part of parole with gtkoverlay now?15:50
bluesabreochosi: which part? we are using gtkoverlay16:08
bluesabregoing to grab lunch, will take care of the ppa when I get back16:09
ochosibluesabre: i meant the audio-info box, iirc that wasn't gtkoverlay16:15
ochosibbl16:46
ochosibluesabre: btw, the normal X11 screensaver code in xdg-screensaver seems to be duplicated. no idea why. maybe that's why it doesn't work..16:46
knomeochosi, you around?19:47

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