[00:39] <rick_h_> bigjools: used my mac air's thunderbold->hdmi cable to verify no AMT love :(
[00:39] <bigjools> rick_h_: :(
[00:39] <rick_h_> bigjools: can MAAS use them aside from power? Or since it can only work/allocate on pxe boot you have to reach in to restart them to do anything useful?
[00:39] <bigjools> it's beyond me why they only do it in the lesser model
[00:39] <bigjools> so there's two useful things for me with AMT
[00:39] <bigjools> 1. the power control
[00:39] <rick_h_> bigjools: yea, well I knew there were tricks and it's far from clear on those dippy things. Annoying as can be
[00:40] <bigjools> 2. VNC access to the console
[00:40] <rick_h_> ah, yea that was one thing I was looking forward to
[00:40] <bigjools> the second is super cool - I can start a session before the machine is even powered up
[00:40] <bigjools> and then I get the bios screen when it does
[00:41] <rick_h_> so if I boot it with pxe boot, the maas controller can boot it and get it running? e.g. I can still use it to bring up the maas 'environment' and hand off to devs on the team to use for juju deploys over and over?
[00:41] <bigjools> but you can still use maas, you just need to power on/off manuallu
[00:41] <rick_h_> bigjools: right, I guess the question is how often do you need to power on/off?
[00:41]  * rick_h_ hasn't used maas yet but we need to make it work with juju-quickstart and want to test out bundles on it
[00:42] <bigjools> it usually powers itself off at the end of the commissioning cycle, but when in *use* as a node it won't turn off when released
[00:42] <bigjools> so when the machine gets allocated, turn it on manually, and when it's released, turn it off
[00:43] <rick_h_> bigjools: ok, but in the 'juju deploy this, destroy the service and now deploy this' scenario is just stays up and gets blown away/reinstalled on the fly?
[00:44] <rick_h_> or does it use the pxe reboot situation to rebuild the machine for the new deployment task?
[00:47] <bigjools> rick_h_: it needs to pxe boot each time
[00:47] <rick_h_> bigjools: ok, so yea. I can't get away with using these then
[00:47] <rick_h_> bigjools: thanks for taking the time to let me bug you
[00:47] <bigjools> not unless you want a sore finger :)
[00:47] <rick_h_> yea, the end goal is to give access to the guys on the team to test/run stuff
[00:47] <bigjools> sweet
[00:48] <bigjools> we've all got three of these too
[00:48] <bigjools> and some microservers
[00:48] <rick_h_> yea, it seems sweet. Nice form factor and excited to try them out. just :( on the 'there's 1000 models but only one with AMT' crap
[00:58] <rick_h_> ok, rma filled out and 3 new ones ordered. Bring on the restocking fees.
[01:01] <bigjools> you live in the US, can't you sue them or something? :)
[01:02] <rick_h_> lol, then it's lawyer fees. Those cost more than restocking fees