[00:30] <ali1234> wow, youtube api v3 is totally and utterly broken
[00:37] <daftykins> that's the definition of API updates no? :D
[00:42] <ali1234> if you want to get a list of videos uploaded by the people you are subscribed to, this takes 1 request per 50 subscriptions + 2 requests per subscription
[00:42] <ali1234> in v2 it's one request
[00:42] <ali1234> they must be really desperate to force people onto they obnoxious front page
[00:43] <daftykins> :<
[00:43] <ali1234> you also can't do anonymous requests any more
[00:44] <ali1234> so if you want an rss feed of this, you have to make your own application in the google developer console, then host it somewhere
[00:44] <ali1234> and then you have a limit of 50M "units" per day
[00:44] <ali1234> where each requests you make is about 50 units
[00:45] <ali1234> if your rss feed updates once per minute you will exceed the api limits if you have more than about 50 subscriptions
[00:46] <ali1234> actually that isn't true at all, you'll only get to about 14% of the daily limit
[00:46] <ali1234> whatever, that's still crap, just to get a damn rss feed
[00:47] <daftykins> forcing people to have identities? :(
[00:47] <daftykins> that really sucks
[00:47] <ali1234> you're not forced to have a youtube account
[00:47] <ali1234> you're only forced to have a google account in order to get a developer key
[00:47] <daftykins> would that not be the alternative to this meter'd access?
[00:47] <ali1234> the metering isn't the problem
[00:48] <ali1234> the problem is that the API is so bad you have to download half of google's database to get the parts you want
[00:48] <ali1234> you can't just say "give me the videos uploaded by X"
[00:48] <ali1234> you have to say "give me X's channel" "now give me channel's playlists" "now give me videos in the one playlist i care about"
[00:48] <ali1234> and you have to do that for every sub
[00:49] <ali1234> well, i'm going to release this software, and hopefully google will fix it when everyone starts hammering their api servers
[00:49] <daftykins> they don't seem to have thought this through for efficiency
[00:52] <ali1234> they want to kill the idea of having subscriptions and replace it with the obnoxious home page, as stated
[00:53] <ali1234> it shows "activites" like "X liked a video" etc that nobody cares about
[00:53] <ali1234> and also it hides videos for no reason
[00:53] <ali1234> you can get that with one requests, but of course the data is just as bad as the homepage
[00:56] <daftykins> oh i've not encountered this
[00:56] <daftykins> i don't login to YT
[01:12] <ali1234> you're not missing anything
[01:12] <ali1234> i use youtube by subscribing to channels, viewing subscriptions in a firefox bookmarklet, and being in the feather beta
[01:12] <ali1234> this means i never see the front page, and video pages don't have comments
[01:13] <ali1234> it's exactly the opposite of how google wants people to use youtube, which is by commenting, rating, liking, and clicking on featured videos on the homepage
[01:14] <daftykins> and having only a portion of their original brain, i suspect
[01:19] <ali1234> i found a way to optimise this a bit: only need 1 request per subscription now
[01:19] <ali1234> and 2 per 50 subs
[01:20] <ali1234> the api is metered on how much data you pull so it's still as inefficient, but now it runs twice as fast
[06:17] <Guest12029> morning all
[06:18] <MooDoo> pah nick changes
[06:47] <mapps> morning
[06:47] <mapps> guest
[06:47] <mapps> :D
[06:51] <dwatkins> moin moin
[06:53] <MooDoo> pah
[07:04] <mapps> hey
[07:05] <MooDoo> howdy mapps
[07:07] <dwatkins> Why does software identify itself as "English (United States)" when there's no other English option available?
[07:08] <MooDoo> the mind bogles
[07:08] <mapps> hey MooDoo/ dwatkins
[07:08] <mapps> brooklyn nine nine is kinda cool
[07:08] <jussi> dwatkins: pure laziness, nothing more
[07:08] <mapps> thought it was lame at first on e13 now ;)
[07:09] <jussi> mapps: have you watched orange is the new black? (netflix has it, not sure i its elsewhere). I watched the forst one the other day, mildly interesting
[07:10] <dwatkins> jussi: excellent show :)
[07:10] <mapps> hmm i watched 1 ep..couldnt get into it
[07:10] <Myrtti> dwatkins: because it might affect other parts than the language so it's better to mention it than to withheld and leave users wondering why the decimal delimiter is something else than they're used to or why it displays dollars instead of pounds
[07:10] <Myrtti> or whatever
[07:10] <mapps> will give it another try though it 2 people say its good
[07:10] <jussi> mapps: yeah, sometimes things click, sometimes they dont
[07:10] <mapps> jussi you watched the 2 24 eps
[07:10] <Myrtti> (this without knowing what software you're talking about)
[07:10] <mapps> 3rd ep tonight
[07:11] <MooDoo> mapps: /me just started season 2 :) lol
[07:11] <mapps> on 24?
[07:11] <mapps> whatttt
[07:11] <jussi> I only watched the first episode. you seriously think I have time for more than that per week? :P
[07:11] <dwatkins> Myrtti: MS Office 365 - I was expecting an "English (International)" or some other option, but US is the only one.
[07:11] <mapps> i thought you said youd seen the 2 eps for seaosn 9 MooDoo
[07:11] <MooDoo> mapps: lol yeah :) apart from season 1 and season 9 not watched any others lol
[07:11] <mapps> lol
[07:11] <mapps> so u are watching seaosn9 too haha
[07:11] <mapps> cool
[07:11] <MooDoo> hehe
[07:11] <mapps> jussi you seen all of 24 so far?
[07:13] <jussi> mapps: I hate 24.
[07:14] <mapps> woah
[07:14] <mapps> seriously?
[07:20] <jussi> mapps: yeah, seriously
[07:21] <mapps> woah
[07:21] <mapps> well
[07:21] <mapps> check out brookyn nine nine thats cool
[07:32] <mapps> weather sucks here again
[07:36] <Myrtti> yeah, no chance of me doing washing and hanging it out
[07:38] <MooDoo> was the village get togehter here yesterday, it chuffed it down most of the day :(
[07:55] <popey> sunny here ☻
[07:55] <jussi> raining here :/
[07:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> sunny here too!
[07:56] <popey> might even open the blind and windows
[07:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[07:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Out of bed yet popey?
[07:59] <popey> hah, yes
[08:09] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday and happy Nurses Day! :-D
[08:14] <DJones> JamesTait: Pointed that day out to my wife, she said somebody needs to publisise that a bit more, she is a nurse and nobody she works with has heard of it
[08:16] <JamesTait> DJones, maybe they don't read Nursing Times? http://www.nursingtimes.net/jane-cummings-and-viv-bennett-use-international-nurses-day-to-give-thanks-to-the-profession/5070647.article?blocktitle=In-the-hotseat&contentID=6855
[08:16] <nigelb> Nurses are the most amazing people who aren't thanked enough.
[08:17] <DJones> JamesTait: Probably not, she hasn't got time to deal with her patient list each day, never mind have time to read a paper/magazine
[08:17] <nigelb> My mom gets migraine attacks, I think we know all of A&E (called Casualty here) nurses quite well these days.
[08:18] <JamesTait> DJones, a common situation, sadly.
[08:18] <JamesTait> nigelb++
[08:20] <DJones> JamesTait: Very much so, she loves her job since she moved out of working on a ward in a hospital onto the community teams, but can be very hard days, up to 15 patients, plus driving between them, maybe one end of town to the other and back
[08:32] <foobarry> evidence of a mouse living in the boiler cupboard in the kitchen - suggestions?
[08:32] <DJones> Little black droppings?
[08:32] <foobarry> lots of stuff munched
[08:33] <foobarry> dog food and newspapers etc kept in there
[08:33] <foobarry> physical trap, or poison?
[08:33] <foobarry> i have a little baby and a dog so will need to contrains it to the back of that cupboard
[08:33] <DJones> WOuldn't put poison down if you got a dog
[08:34] <DJones> Always a chance some could get knocked onto the floor & not noticed
[08:34] <DJones> I'd go with a trap and some cheese
[08:34] <foobarry> although will be on hol for a week soon
[08:37] <DJones> Grrs, getting fed up with receiving Cryptlocker virus attachments with fake headers & a zipped attachment
[08:37] <MooDoo> DJones: ooo those are the best.
[08:39] <DJones> Just had 3 in 1 minute
[08:40] <foobarry> i don't get those. just scanitly clad women "i found u on dating site etc"
[08:40] <MooDoo> nigerian fundage
[08:40] <foobarry> nigerian fudge?
[08:40] <MooDoo> fundage
[08:43] <DJones> MooDoo: For some reason "fundage" takes me back to when I was schoolkid & a friends parents were given a pair of these for their wedding anniversary one year http://www.westoek.be/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/fundies.jpg
[08:44]  * DJones passes out the eye bleach in anticipation
[08:44] <foobarry> NSFW dude!
[08:45] <DJones> foobarry: Well, you certainly wouldn't recommend wearing them for work :)
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> DJones: depends on the job
[08:45] <MooDoo> I'll look at home seeing as I'm in work lol
[08:46] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: "undies for two"
[08:46] <MooDoo> ah lol
[08:48] <Myrtti> foobarry: little nippers to get rid of the mice, child locks for minding the dog(s) and child(ren) from the nippers, and electric rodent repellent to keep the buggers out in the future
[08:51] <foobarry> i have a jack russell, i thought that would be sufficient
[08:51] <foobarry> will check out little nippers
[08:51] <awilkins> Where's the option to remap the capslock key to be another super in Trusty ?
[08:52] <Myrtti> foobarry: well, little nippers or anything that kills the buggers without poison
[08:53] <awilkins> Headlice?
[08:54] <awilkins> The modern treatments are great
[08:54] <Myrtti> awilkins: mice
[08:54] <awilkins> Oh
[08:54] <awilkins> I've only had to deal with squirrels
[08:55] <foobarry> squirrels are more tasty
[08:55] <Myrtti> in a household with inquisitive eyes, noses and front limbs
[08:55] <Myrtti> yeah, my sister's had only squirrels
[08:55] <Myrtti> we just have weird bugs, ants, thrips and such
[08:56] <awilkins> I had a whole mess of ladybirds sleeping under my windowframes this year
[08:57] <popey> awilkins: i think the capslock re-map was removed
[08:57] <popey> the ui was "simplified" I believe
[08:57] <awilkins> popey, That would be why I can't find it then
[08:57] <awilkins> Hooray for GNOME
[08:57] <Myrtti> ants and thrips I hate, the weird bugs I protect myself by putting all my yarn into IKEA resealable bags
[08:58] <Myrtti> I love the IKEA resealable bags
[08:58] <awilkins> popey, Is it a gconf or dconf thing, do you suppose...
[08:59] <Myrtti> http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/80251382/ & http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/60251383/
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup I think
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: if you want the change to be system-wide
[09:01] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, That just seems to have changed TTY encoding and fonts
[09:02] <MartijnVdS> oh
[09:03] <MartijnVdS> there is one package that does keyboard stuffs
[09:06] <awilkins> gnome-tweak-tool is apparently it
[09:06] <awilkins> It has an amusing bug : https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10616420/gnome-tweak-tool-transparent.png
[09:06] <awilkins> The UI renders as transparent in the compositor
[09:08] <awilkins> And sadly it doesn't contain the actual option I want
[09:26] <kbingham> can anyone help me debug some upstart issues I've been having?
[09:26] <kbingham> sudo service tftpd-hpa start
[09:26] <kbingham> start: Unknown job: tftpd-hpa
[09:27] <kbingham> service --status-all |& grep tftp
[09:27] <kbingham>  [ - ]  tftpd-hpa
[09:27] <kbingham> and if I try to start tftpd-hpa via the init scripts it seems to bail out because I'm calling the scripts directly instead of through upstart!!! :(
[09:28] <kbingham> have there been any major changes in this area in 14.04 - or could I have broken something on my upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04?
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> kbingham: check /etc/init -- is there a tftpd-hpa.conf ?
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> kbingham: also, check if it's enabled in /etc/default/
[09:28] <hoover> Hi folks
[09:29] <kbingham> MartijnVdS: cat /etc/init/tftpd-hpa.conf : present and correct
[09:29] <kbingham> cat /etc/default/tftpd-hpa | grep RUN
[09:29] <kbingham> RUN_DAEMON="yes"
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> kbingham: and "start tftpd-hpa" ?
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> kbingham: is the config file valid?
[09:30] <kbingham> start tftpd-hpa
[09:30] <kbingham> start: Unknown job: tftpd-hpa
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> kbingham: maybe it defines a different name in /etc/init/tftpd-hpa.conf
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> (is that possible?)
[09:31] <kbingham> MartijnVdS: I can't see it defining a different name ... and the file is as was provided by the tftpd-hpa package.
[09:31] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:32] <kbingham> Can I get any of the upstart to be more verbose for debug?
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> kbingham: maybe upstart was confused.. you could HUP it to have it re-read its configs?
[09:33] <kbingham> MartijnVdS: which process? I've got several:  ps aux | grep upstart
[09:33] <kbingham> root       466  0.0  0.0  19732   944 ?        S    09:12   0:00 upstart-udev-bridge --daemon
[09:33] <kbingham> root       772  0.0  0.0  15392   776 ?        S    09:12   0:00 upstart-socket-bridge --daemon
[09:33] <kbingham> root      1296  0.0  0.0  15404   636 ?        S    09:12   0:00 upstart-file-bridge --daemon
[09:33] <kbingham> kbingham  3438  0.0  0.0  18108  1152 ?        Ss   09:14   0:00 upstart-event-bridge
[09:33] <kbingham> kbingham  3469  0.0  0.0  18184   700 ?        S    09:14   0:00 upstart-dbus-bridge --daemon --session --user --bus-name session
[09:33] <kbingham> kbingham  3471  0.0  0.0  18116   640 ?        S    09:14   0:00 upstart-dbus-bridge --daemon --system --user --bus-name system
[09:33] <kbingham> kbingham  3472  0.0  0.0  26696  1016 ?        S    09:14   0:00 upstart-file-bridge --daemon --user
[09:33] <kbingham> kbingham  8367  0.0  0.0  11752   920 pts/18   S+   10:32   0:00 grep --color=auto upstart
[09:33] <kbingham> kbingham@CookieMonster:/etc/default
[09:33] <kbingham> ohhh sorry - that was a bit longer than I thought:)
[09:34] <brobostigon> pastebinit, :)
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> kbingham: process #1 -- init :)
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> kbingham: kill -HUP 1
[09:35] <kbingham> service tftpd-hpa start
[09:35] <kbingham> start: Unknown job: tftpd-hpa
[09:35] <kbingham> ugh.
[09:35] <brobostigon> ls /etc/init.d
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: no not .d
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> kbingham: is there anything in /var/log/upstart/ ?
[09:36] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes, true, sorry.
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> kbingham: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2196171
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> kbingham: they suggest:
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> init-checkconf -d /etc/init/tftpd-hpa.conf
[09:37] <kbingham> sudo zgrep tftpd /var/log/upstart/* returns nothing ...
[09:40] <kbingham> init-checkconf doesn't seem like anythings wrong - but I'm not sure what to interpret yet: http://pastebin.com/exVgemwV
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> kbingham: in that case, move the file to some other directory, then back
[09:45] <kbingham> ?
[09:45] <kbingham> /etc/init/tftpd-hpa.conf ?
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> yes
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> move it to /tmp or something, then move it back to /etc/init
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> upstart monitors /etc/init/
[09:47] <kbingham> tried it : no change
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> wait..
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> are you running the 'start' command as root?
[09:48] <kbingham> I've tried both sudo and a root shell
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> those should be identical.
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> have you rebooted since installing the package?
[09:49] <kbingham> yes - freshly booted up this morning - this was running on friday :(
[09:49] <kbingham> I suspect something is 'not quite right' in my system :(
[09:49] <kbingham> hence trying to debug to find the root cause.
[09:50] <kbingham> its odd - becasue some services work  but its only a couple that don't
[09:50] <kbingham> docker.io is also doing the same things.
[09:51] <kbingham> but I can clearly see in ps aux that docker is running ...
[09:51] <kbingham> I wonder if its some sort of dbus comms issue ...
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> could be
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> also docker could be interfering
[09:51] <kbingham> but I don't understand how some services are 'seen' but others aren't...
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> I never trusted containers
[09:51] <kbingham> none of this is inside docker ...
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> no but docker might be doing "things" to the system.. I don't know?
[09:53] <kbingham> perhaps
[09:53] <kbingham> sudo apt-get remove docker on its way :)
[09:58] <kbingham> grrr - I did two things at once and its now working but I don't know which one fixed it :)
[09:58]  * kbingham slaps self because I know better than to do two fixes between tests
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> which things did you do?
[09:59] <kbingham> I've apt-get removed docker - but I also had a line in my sudoers : Defaults !env_reset
[09:59] <kbingham> thinking dbus made me wonder if the env was screwed up by that...
[10:00] <kbingham> but if it was that I don't understand why other services were found happily - and it was only select services that upstart couldn't see...
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> I think it's the environment thing
[10:00] <kbingham> anyway - removing docker and removing that line from sudoers and it magically worked.
[10:01] <kbingham> I guess I can easily test by putting it back.
[10:01] <kbingham> MartijnVdS: thanks for your support !
[10:02] <MartijnVdS> np
[10:02] <kbingham> At least I have a better understanding of the upstart config now :)
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> .. which is going away :P
[10:03] <kbingham> is ubuntu going systemd?
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> yeah, after Debian decided they'd go systemd, ubuntu followed
[10:04] <kbingham> I'd heard debian decided - I'd not heard ubu were following yet ..
[10:09] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:18] <MooDoo> raaaaa ssh session crashed
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> yay byobu ;)
[10:21] <popey> \o/ byobu
[10:21] <popey> i use byobu on my local machine loads
[10:21] <brobostigon> :)
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> I need to find a way to tell byobu I don't want to start a second session, or that I want to switch "windows" independently
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> so I can have "0" in the foreground in one terminal, and "1" in another, for instance
[10:24] <davmor2> popey: I don't run byobu on local as it didn't play nicely with remote byobu :(  There is probably a way round it I just didn't care enough to look :)
[10:25] <popey> i dont use it nested
[10:25] <popey> that way lies madness
[10:25] <popey> ctrl+a, ctrl+a, ctrl+a, space
[10:25] <popey> madness I say
[10:25] <davmor2> popey: indeed
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> same with ssh
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[10:26] <popey> i tend to have terminator split-screen like this https://imgur.com/e3LfyME
[10:27] <popey> top right is local, left hand side is remote box with irssi in byobu
[10:31] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: why use different terminal sessions?  Why not just split the screen in byobu?
[10:39] <DJones> Oh boy, wifes cousin has just put on twitter that she's just told a _blind_ customer in the shop she works at to "Look over there"......
[10:40] <davmor2> MooDoo: so that is my testing completed for the day I done broked your ssh by saying hello on irc YAY!
[10:51] <MooDoo> davmor2: test complete
[10:52] <davmor2> MooDoo: how do :)
[10:53] <MooDoo> davmor2: hello mate
[10:53] <davmor2> MooDoo: is it grim up T' Norff
[10:54] <MooDoo> davmor2: yah man init, it's well naff,
[10:56] <davmor2> MooDoo: Command Yah not found, man init displays NAME      init - Upstart process management daemon :)
[10:57] <Myrtti> I had fun yesterday making eSpeak read Sherlock Holmes in Scottish accent
[10:57] <MooDoo> davmor2: /msg davmor2 http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/fb/29/91/fb29918a904914c9ec9d630bdb59ffef.jpg
[10:57] <MooDoo> ooops lol ha ha ha ha ha h
[10:57] <MooDoo> nsfw :)
[10:58] <MooDoo> davmor2: yes i'm calling you that :d
[10:58] <davmor2> MooDoo: fails at basic irc commands and then you have the nerve to say that :P
[10:59] <MooDoo> davmor2: rats was thinking you wouldn't notice that part :D
[11:02] <NET||abuse> hi folks, i received a usb3 ethernet connector off amazon today, trying it out I'm getting super poor experience, is there anything i can do to diagnose the connector?  its one of these http://www.amazon.co.uk/Plugable-Gigabit-Ethernet-Network-Adapter/dp/B00AQM8586/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1399892555&sr=8-1&keywords=plugable+usb3
[11:12] <davmor2> NET||abuse: do you have access to a windows box?
[11:12] <NET||abuse> hmm, i can do. migth take me a while to check
[11:12] <NET||abuse> otherwise, actually i do have windows 8 dual boot on this lappy
[11:12] <NET||abuse> yeh, may be the simplest way to test.
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: what kind of performance do you get?
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: or is it really the connector you think is faulty?
[11:17] <NET||abuse> I was getting better experience from a mac usb dongle, but that overheated after about an hour or so every time.
[11:17] <NET||abuse> i think it's either the hardware is faulty, or some settings on our network might not agree with some aspect of the device. not a clue though
[11:18] <NET||abuse> i'll try it ina windows box when i get one free for a minute
[11:20] <NET||abuse> guy beside me has windows 7 sony laptop, he'll try it now shortly
[11:23] <NET||abuse> heheh, another reason i can't stand using windows, bloody thing wouldn't recognize the device or find drivers.
[11:23] <NET||abuse> they send a minicd with teh drivers for it, but ofcourse you can't load them into slot loading drive :P bloody sony
[11:23] <NET||abuse> so he can't test it.
[11:23] <NET||abuse> i'll have to test it at home on the old toshiba with normal tray cd drive.
[11:27] <NET||abuse> http://plugable.com/products/usb3-e1000/drivers  they say the driver is built in kernel 3.9 and later, i'm on 3.11
[11:37] <NET||abuse> Tried al the ports in my laptop, there's 1 usb2 port so just incase that made a difference, I've seen a few instances of people saying the ax88179_178a driver is a bit slow
[11:39] <directhex> the ax88179 ppa is *so* broken
[11:39] <NET||abuse> ahh, that's the problem then
[11:39] <directhex> hang on
[11:39] <directhex> http://packages.collabora.co.uk/debian/pool/main/a/ax88179/ax88179-dkms_1.5.0-0.0+ccu4_all.deb
[11:39] <directhex> i repackaged it
[11:40] <NET||abuse> oh wow,, does this require a kernel recompile, or it works fine as module?
[11:41] <davmor2> MartijnVdS, NET||abuse: that was why I suggested test on windows incase it is just a driver issue, you will at least know that the hardware is good :)
[11:42] <NET||abuse> going to try that driver now.
[11:43] <directhex> NET||abuse, just install that deb
[11:45] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:47] <directhex> NET||abuse, there's no ax88179 driver in the kernel, and the PPA everyone links to is packaged by a chimpanzee (e.g. it breaks every time there's a kernel update)
[11:48] <NET||abuse> directhex: well, there must have been a driver in the kernel, as ax88179_178a comes up when it is plugged in.
[11:49] <directhex> must be new in 14.04
[11:49] <NET||abuse> I'm on 13.10
[11:50] <NET||abuse> problem is i just went ahead and dove on your deb file :)   maybe i can list it or something. if 2 modules co-habit my system now?
[11:50] <NET||abuse> unfortunately, i've rebooted and i'm still seeing the same problem
[11:51] <NET||abuse> yeh, just restarted wifi, reconnected, all is fine without it.
[11:57] <NET||abuse> in /lib/modules/3.11.0-20-generic/modules.order   i have two entries   kernel/drivers/net/usb/ax88179_178a.ko  and kernel/drivers/parport/parport_ax88796.ko
[11:57] <NET||abuse> does this mean it is loading the 178a version and not the parport version?
[11:58] <NET||abuse> or are these things unrelated?
[11:59] <awilkins> Is there a way to specify your username / domain in an SMB link? The server connection thingy used to use a form that let you do this... but now you just hav eto feed it an smb:// link... and the auth prompt has this information in it instead
[12:00] <dwatkins> awilkins: http://superuser.com/questions/344775/passing-unc-username-and-password-within-a-unc-path
[12:03] <NET||abuse> dont see how to get it to use your replacement module directhex
[12:03] <directhex> NET||abuse, doesn't matter if you're on a recent kernel
[12:03] <directhex> NET||abuse, looks like 13.10 has it, but not older. i needed it for precise
[12:04] <NET||abuse> directhex: well, i'm on 13.10, but i still have the broken experience, kernel 3.11.0-20
[12:06] <NET||abuse> disaster :(
[12:06] <NET||abuse> really hoped that usb dongle would work.
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: I have this one:
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003VSTDFG/ref=oh_details_o08_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> works awesomely
[14:05] <awilkins> dwatkins, Ta
[14:07] <dwatkins> awilkins: no worries, I've had lots of fun with SMB/CIFS over the years - still need to find a good way to link my Ubuntu server to the corporate LDAP.
[14:07] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/92rmnw78ysqf1jx/AAC0wvNZ83mE2FoYFvu7DFVla
[14:07] <daftykins> looking at this laptop that someone spilt wine over
[14:07] <dwatkins> I gather there's a service which does this, that's separate from Samba, but havn't used it.
[14:08] <daftykins> they tried to dry it out then fired it up the next day - do you guys think that IC there looks like a goner? seems to be the only thing affected from a visual inspection, one very black fourth leg
[14:10] <shauno> that doesn't look happy at all.  it barely looks connected in 4th & 5th pics?
[14:11] <awilkins> Aha : http://geek.co.il/2011/10/25/mounting-smb-shares-using-url-under-gnome-and-kde
[14:12] <awilkins> smb://domain;user@server/share
[14:12] <daftykins> shauno: yeah in fact the more i look i think it's gone entirely
[14:14] <Myrtti> http://satwcomic.com/greens ha
[14:15] <popey> Ooh. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nvidia.valvesoftware.portal
[14:15] <MartijnVdS> This app is incompatible with all of your devices.
[14:15] <Myrtti> Play it on NVIDIA SHIELD.
[14:16] <awilkins> That would seem to be all it's available
[14:16] <MartijnVdS> EMONEY
[14:16] <awilkins> Despite it being basically a Tegra app
[14:35] <directhex> let's try that again: reading you loud & clear from $new_router
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> yay
[14:36] <directhex> 802.11ac... shame i have no ac clients ^_^
[14:41]  * SuperEngineer really misses work 
[14:42]  * SuperEngineer wishes he wasn't on enforced sick leave 
[14:42]  * SuperEngineer tries hard to think of 3rd consecutive lie :D
[14:42] <daftykins> does that mean you're bored enough to want occasional tasks to tide you over, SuperEngineer ? ;)
[14:42] <SuperEngineer> errrrmm... tasks?
[14:43] <SuperEngineer> extra tasks?!?!
[14:45] <SuperEngineer> you don't think Steam & TV & lunchtime visit to office [pub] for pie & pint are keeping me occuopied??
[14:45] <dwatkins> I broke my leg in 2001 and asked work if I could help remotely, they told me not to. I gather there are liability issues with doing work if you're off sick.
[14:46] <SuperEngineer> ...and catching up with friends... and relaxing... and smiling when the sun comes out???
[14:48] <SuperEngineer> dwatkins: I don't have a choice on that one.  When I return & have not read and acted on *all* work emails, or I haven't answered ALL phone calls from work.. or I have lost my temper and said "FFSK leave me alone"... well, ouch!
[14:49] <dwatkins> SuperEngineer: :(
[14:49] <dwatkins> I was on leave last week, and kept an eye on my inbox to save hassle when I returned, though, so I know what you mean.
[14:51] <SuperEngineer> we are a class of people known to others as "twits" [twice weekly I take s**t]
[14:52] <SuperEngineer> [couldn't think of one for "twice daily}~ ;)
[14:52] <dwatkins> haha, I do that for 8 hours a day ;)
[14:53] <dwatkins> mostly, people phone up in a bit of a panic, my superpower is to calmly get a problem description, and either solve the problem there and then, or at least define the problem and get diagnostic information from them
[14:53] <directhex> 802.11ac!
[14:54] <SuperEngineer> dwatkins: my power is enhanced by the abilty to frown at a user who lies ;)
[14:56] <dwatkins> SuperEngineer: my favourite issue is when there's a licensing problem and it turns out the customer has edited the /etc/hosts file, I just smile and say nothing as they end the call in a flustered and embarassed fashion
[14:58] <SuperEngineer> dwatkins: I normally prefix with... "& who told you to do that.....?" [silence ensues for a while after that giving peace & quiet to work things]]
[14:58] <SuperEngineer> & you should see how I treart the obstructive ones... tip: never say "oi you, have you signed our visitor's book" to me
[14:58] <SuperEngineer> *treat
[15:01] <SuperEngineer> [I proove that sarcasm really can be the *highest* form of wit at that point] ;)
[15:13] <dwatkins> the best one I've had so far was "my son did this to the hosts file"
[15:19] <SuperEngineer> yikes!
[15:24]  * SuperEngineer looks at pop-up telling self "if you see this you still haven't backup". - see ya later folks
[15:47] <dwatkins> that's a good point, I should back up my laptop.
[15:47] <dwatkins> or 'backup my laptop' perhaps
[15:48] <daftykins> why quoted? :>
[15:49] <daftykins> dwatkins: who's editing their hosts file and breaking software 0o
[15:50] <dwatkins> daftykins: I wasn't sure if the verb "backup" was one word or two, so I quoted myself having removed the space.
[15:50] <daftykins> ah-har
[15:50] <daftykins> if it's a desktop replacement 17"er you could back it up then backup
[15:50] <dwatkins> My customers sometimes edit their hosts file to stop our software from checking licenses
[15:50] <daftykins> heh the cheeky swines
[15:53] <Armag3dd0n1> sup :D
[15:54] <daftykins> Armag3dd0n1: uh-oh you're becoming a regular offender D:
[15:54] <Armag3dd0n1> yeah, I can't keep away. ;)
[16:07] <czajkowski> bigcalm: did you have a photobooth at your wedding you made>
[16:08] <czajkowski> I know someone in here wrote code for a photo booth
[16:08] <popey> he had a tablet on a camera stand
[16:10] <czajkowski> ohhh
[16:10] <czajkowski> good to know
[16:10] <czajkowski> cheers
[16:11] <czajkowski> it's that time of the day, running a free event and wondering will people come along
[16:11] <czajkowski> nail biting
[16:17] <bigcalm> czajkowski: https://github.com/bigcalm/python_photo_booth
[16:18] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I did start writing a photo booth system. But ran out of time/energy
[16:18] <bigcalm> czajkowski: ended up using an app on my android tablet: http://hayleyandiainaregettingmarried.com/photos/nggallery/photos/photo-booth
[16:19] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I put my python code for my photo booth onto github, hoping that other people might chip in. No interest sadly
[16:19] <czajkowski> bigcalm: what was the app
[16:20] <bigcalm> czajkowski: Party Photo Booth by Ground Up works
[16:21] <czajkowski> cheers
[16:22] <czajkowski> hmm not even my speaker is here yet
[16:22] <czajkowski> always worrying
[18:30] <diddledan_> nuts: http://www.tylervigen.com/
[18:31] <daftykins> :P
[18:31] <dwatkins> http://gizmodo.com/5977989/internet-explorer-vs-murder-rate-will-be-your-favorite-chart-today
[18:31] <daftykins> dubious axes
[18:39] <mapps> hmm
[18:39] <mapps> screens gone black on iphone
[18:39] <mapps> argh
[18:39] <mapps> yet its on..must be something to do with the jb
[18:40] <diddledan_> mapps, you can force a reboot with a vulcan keypress
[18:40] <mapps> vulcan keypress?:D
[18:40] <diddledan_> yeah
[18:40] <mapps> all i seem to be managing is to take loads of screenshots of the screen
[18:40] <mapps> lol
[18:40] <daftykins> XD
[18:41] <daftykins> time to go android
[18:41] <mapps> whats that mean diddledan_
[18:41] <daftykins> ;)
[18:41] <diddledan_> mapps, it means that it involves more than one key
[18:41] <diddledan_> mapps, I think holding down home+power for 10-30seconds does it
[18:42] <shauno> (if you're lucky enough to have a power button  heh)
[18:42] <diddledan_> well there is that
[18:42] <shauno> I called apple about mine today.  they suggested a trip to belfast.
[18:43] <diddledan_> they named it wrong in this article, but the idea is correct: http://www.techopedia.com/definition/24336/vulcan-nerve-pinch
[18:43] <daftykins> shauno: i left that laptop naked again in the airing cupboard, having had its' isopropanol cleanse it powered up but switched itself off not having POST'd, i sense that one IC is important but ho-hum, i'll try anyway :)
[18:44] <daftykins> (try further drying)
[18:44] <daftykins> a new mobo is £85 on ebay
[18:44] <shauno> daftykins, I couldn't read the numbers off it, but I'd be tempted to google them and see if it sounds important
[18:44] <daftykins> good plan, yeah that was some serious micro print
[18:44] <daftykins> for now i browse the Dell Outlet ;)
[18:44] <shauno> chips on a mobo tend to fall squarely into two groups.  "a whole lot less important than you'd think" and "critical"
[18:45] <daftykins> getting so tired of seeing 1366x768 res
[18:45] <shauno> (eg "you don't have a firewire controller anymore" vs "you don't have a mobo anymore")
[18:45] <davmor2> daftykins: you might want to invest in a wine proof laptop :)
[18:46] <daftykins> davmor2: i'd prefer a wine-proof employee for my client, but i sense that's not on the cards :(
[18:46] <mapps> ahh sweet
[18:46] <mapps> it worked#
[18:46] <mapps> thanks diddledan_
[18:46] <daftykins> (i certainly don't go pouring things on my laptops, nor drinking wine!)
[18:46] <shauno> but no spillage = no work ;)
[18:46] <mapps> i wonder if this was just an ios bug or because my phones jb
[18:46] <daftykins> shauno: yeah :D
[18:47] <shauno> the difficult one is trying to convince people that drying things isn't always the best answer
[18:47] <diddledan_> mapps, jb's are pretty solid these days, so I'd imagine an ios bug more unless there's a chance you've been haxx0red :-p
[18:48] <diddledan_> mapps, or maybe a piece of software you've installed off cydia does some lowlevel stuff that isn't compatible?
[18:48] <shauno> a lot of things benefit from being washed (alcohol, distilled water, etc) *before* the offending liquid has dried into gunk.  especially salty gunks
[18:50] <diddledan_> yeah, once it's baked-on all bets are off as to wether it's ressurectable
[18:50] <diddledan_> shauno, what about an acid bath with a wire brush?
[18:50] <diddledan_> :-p
[18:51] <daftykins> shauno: mmm, may be too late since she said she already had it in an airing cupboard
[18:51] <daftykins> peeps need to know to give things to the IT guy BEFORE trying their crazy ideas
[18:51] <shauno> yeah, that's what I mean.  if it's water, then sure, dry it with rice
[18:51] <diddledan_> daftykins, definitely
[18:52] <shauno> if it's something thick like wine, sugarry coffee, soda, etc, it works best if you can wash it while it's easy
[18:52] <diddledan_> my bro-in-law managed to drop his iphone squarely into a full pint of beer
[18:52] <daftykins> XD
[18:52] <shauno> I had a buddy that did that on purpose.  it was epic
[18:52] <diddledan_> lmao
[18:53] <daftykins> hopefully someone elses iPhone
[18:53] <daftykins> 8)
[18:53] <daftykins> hey mapps wanna go for a pint?
[18:53] <daftykins> 8D
[18:53] <shauno> nah, this was back in the nokia-type era.  he had some phone which was supposed to be waterproof
[18:53] <shauno> "see?  *plunk*"
[18:53] <shauno> did not go as planned
[18:54] <daftykins> lmao
[18:54] <diddledan_> that's amazing
[18:54] <daftykins> hey guys i got my WD warranty extension codes from ebuyer
[18:54] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/a07en6f8oyvtz4p/IMG_20140512_183028.jpg
[18:54] <daftykins> =|
[18:54] <diddledan_> I noticed all the xperia adverts have the phone go into a small glass of _water_ for _mere seconds_
[18:55] <daftykins> worse still check out what's inside the envelopes: https://www.dropbox.com/s/sict5th6k3ci4s8/IMG_20140512_183413.jpg
[18:55] <shauno> well there's various levels of "waterproof".  splashproof, water-resistant, etc
[18:55] <daftykins> indeed
[18:55] <daftykins> these ones that are rated for 1m for 30 minutes - such an odd metric
[18:56] <daftykins> does it mean that at 30:01 it implodes? :D
[19:01] <shauno> I think it just means "we don't recommend finding out"
[19:02] <diddledan_> this sounds fun: http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2014/May/48
[19:03] <shauno> reminds me of a customer at work, they have a mid-ranged UPS (160kW) that has in its case notes that it's not elligible for any mffr warranty because it was fully submerged during hurricane Katrina
[19:03] <diddledan_> present since 2.6.31
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> ewps
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> *waits for kernel update*
[19:04] <brobostigon> is FB's xmpp interface to Fb messenger playing up for anyone else?
[19:04] <diddledan_> brobostigon, I couldn't login earlier
[19:05] <diddledan_> brobostigon, I gave up
[19:05] <brobostigon> it just gave up on me about 20 mins ago.
[19:05] <diddledan_> I changed my password a couple days ago, though, so I may be trying with the wrong one
[19:05] <brobostigon> i am not getting authentication errors. just conenction ones.
[19:05] <diddledan_> hmm
[19:06] <shauno> it's working fine here
[19:06] <brobostigon> hmmm,
[19:10] <daftykins> shauno: apparently that bad component is a mosfet
[19:10] <daftykins> so it's game over
[19:12] <brobostigon> i added a new fb to bitlbee, now am getting auth errors.
[19:14] <shauno> you any good with a soldering iron?  ;)
[19:14] <brobostigon> yes
[19:14] <daftykins> never touched one in my life :(
[19:15] <diddledan_> lol
[19:15] <diddledan_> soldering is scary
[19:16] <daftykins> there are some enemy shops around here in town, could be worth asking
[19:16] <diddledan_> leave it too long and the "new" thingy is now a "baked thingy"
[19:16] <daftykins> perhaps i'll see if i can acquire a replacement first
[19:33] <brobostigon> telling bitlbee to use oauth for FB login solved the issue.
[19:33] <brobostigon> in bitlbee.
[19:35] <davmor2> brobostigon: I was going to ask what version of oauth you were using I guess the answer was none ;)
[19:35] <brobostigon> quite.