[01:18] <OvenWerks> zequence: Just talking to someone on the other channel (ubuntustudio) who installed ubuntustudio 14.04 and was not in the audio group...
[01:19] <OvenWerks> It seems they had two users in mind and put the other user (his GF) in as install then added himself as admin after.
[01:20] <OvenWerks> I don't know if we can or should make audio a default group for new users.
[01:20] <OvenWerks> Or if controls first setup will take care of that.
[07:43] <zequence> OvenWerks: yeah, I've known about that problem for a long time, but haven't had it priority
[07:43] <zequence> We can't make audio default group for Ubuntu users, and we should try to change how rt privilege is administered anyway
[07:46] <zequence> ..but if nothing else, I suppose we should at least make all new users members of audio group
[21:10] <OvenWerks> zequence: ok
[21:12] <OvenWerks> zequence: just had a thought about the installer (ubiquity). What happens if someone chooses to install none of the kde applications because they don't want the libs in there. The kde libs are on the ISO I would think they still get installed even though there is now nothing that depends on them.
[21:14] <OvenWerks> Am I right on that? Then because they are part of the install, they are considered as user chosen so I don't know if autoremove would see them.
[21:15] <OvenWerks> Does ubiquity do it's own clean up at install time?
[21:20] <zequence> OvenWerks: No, I don't think stuff gets installed unless it's in the seeds, or is not a dependency
[21:20] <zequence> OvenWerks: We have things on the live ISO that don't get installed, that are only needed for the live ISO, like ubiquity
[21:27] <zequence> I meant IS a dependency, of course :)
[21:28] <zequence> But, some apps were installed though deselected in the plugin. Not sure why.
[21:28] <zequence> Could be they are in the seeds in other places