[08:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: small reminder, xfpm PPA ;)
[09:23] <ochosi> ali1234: since you seem to know a bit about the xfwm4 compositor, could it actually do a fade-to-black blanking the screen smoothly based on X11's screensaver settings? (or is the compositor the wrong place to implement this?)
[10:11] <bluesabre> ochosi: poke
[10:38] <knome> bluesabre, around?
[10:38] <bluesabre> knome: yes
[10:38] <knome> good
[10:38] <knome> tell me
[10:38] <knome> what do i need to remove to get rid of the black screen problem
[10:38] <knome> i don't mind losing features
[10:39] <knome> as long as the laptop doesn't hang
[10:39] <bluesabre> light-locker, I believe
[10:39] <knome> wasn't it an xfpm bug?
[10:39] <bluesabre> I think its a bit of both
[10:39] <knome> aha...
[10:39] <bluesabre> ochosi also has a fix 
[10:39] <bluesabre> that I am going to upload
[10:39] <knome> i'll need to look at it then
[10:39] <knome> aha
[10:39] <knome> when?????
[10:39] <knome> :P
[10:39] <bluesabre> if I knew where the code was
[10:39] <knome> today? :P
[10:39] <knome> lol
[10:39] <bluesabre> ochosi: poke poke
[10:39] <knome> okay..
[10:39] <knome> i'm @ client
[10:39] <knome> installing 14.04 \o/
[10:40] <bluesabre> ah
[10:40] <bluesabre> awesome
[10:40] <knome> after whining about mac/win ;)
[10:40] <knome> would removing xfpm potentially fix it?
[10:40] <knome> and were *all* laptop users affected
[10:40] <knome> or only some?
[10:41] <bluesabre> only some
[10:41] <knome> okay...
[10:41] <knome> :|
[10:41] <bluesabre> it doesnnt affect me
[10:41] <knome> common nominator?
[10:41] <knome> it's an old acer travelmate
[10:41] <bluesabre> hard to say
[10:41] <bluesabre> my laptop is brand new and a gaming machine
[10:41] <bluesabre> so if its a race condition, I miss it
[10:41] <knome> heh
[10:41] <knome> okat
[10:41] <knome> okay
[10:41] <knome> so it happens when closing the lid?
[10:42] <knome> and just doesn't return
[10:42] <bluesabre> from what I understand, yeah
[10:42] <knome> oki
[10:42] <knome> i'll test it
[10:42] <bluesabre> ok
[10:42] <knome> my next shot at fixing it is in ~7 weeks
[10:42] <knome> and i hope the final fix is in then
[10:42] <bluesabre> that would be ideal
[10:42] <knome> absolutely
[10:44] <knome> i hope ochosi's fix fixes it for good
[10:47] <bluesabre> me too
[10:51] <brainwash> isn't it eric's fix?
[10:52] <brainwash> https://github.com/EricKoegel/xfce4-power-manager/branches
[10:52] <brainwash> bluesabre: ^
[10:53] <bluesabre> which one?
[10:57] <brainwash> logind-inhibit
[11:16] <bluesabre> drat
[11:17] <bluesabre> I'll have to finish this later, there is some extra stuff between the release in xubuntu and this patch
[11:17]  * bluesabre hoped to drop the files in and use quilt
[14:14] <ochosi> bluesabre: this is the patch: https://github.com/EricKoegel/xfce4-power-manager/commit/21b8e5abf4e5f93c28cb964b4618b9b509780951
[14:14] <ochosi> (again :))
[14:14] <ochosi> brainwash: the logind-inhibit branch is the general patch, i'm not sure i'd wanna use that for xubuntu
[14:14] <ochosi> as it is longer and hence harder to review/approve
[14:15] <ochosi> the short (hackier) one fits xubuntu more directly, hence it won't go upstream
[14:15] <ochosi> but with the amount of patches we carry in xfpm in 14.04, that isn't a problem at all
[14:29] <brainwash> ochosi: woot
[14:30] <brainwash> but this hack appears to be incomplete
[14:30] <ochosi> in what way?
[14:30] <brainwash> or rather meh
[14:30] <ochosi> it's fine, it gets the job done
[14:31] <ochosi> it's basically the same as the other, longer/better patch, but without the need to modify another xfconf setting in lls
[14:31] <ochosi> and i want the dumb/simple one tested first, because there's no chance ppl could mess something up with said xfconf setting
[14:31] <brainwash> does it work with xscreensaver?
[14:34] <ochosi> that's of secondary concern to the testing i want now
[20:19] <brainwash> any plans for a staging PPA?
[20:20] <brainwash> basically a PPA which provides new stable versions for trusty
[20:20] <brainwash> like xfce4-appfinder, version 4.11 did not make it into trusty
[20:22] <sidi-valencia> brainwash, how many PPAs do you guys have?
[20:22] <brainwash> I don't know
[20:24] <brainwash> the staging one would be only used for "stable" releases
[20:24] <brainwash> so basically sync from debian
[20:25] <brainwash> the user could continue using his ubuntu LTS release
[20:25] <brainwash> but with up-to-date xfce/xubuntu components
[22:49] <bluesabre> brainwash: generally, we would use the xfce-4.12 ppa for that
[22:50] <bluesabre> ochosi: thanks
[22:50] <bluesabre> working on the package now
[22:50] <ochosi> thanks bluesabre 
[22:50] <ochosi> i gotta hit the sack now
[22:50] <ochosi> busy day tomorrow
[22:50] <bluesabre> alrighty, have fun
[22:50] <ochosi> ty
[22:51] <bluesabre> before you go
[22:51] <ochosi> if the small patch works, we should test the bigger one
[22:51] <bluesabre> was there something for light-locker too?
[22:51] <Unit193> Can we (=not me) nuke https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ppa ?   All for lucid.
[22:51] <ochosi> (at least that's my opinion)
[22:51] <bluesabre> I mean
[22:51] <bluesabre> lls
[22:51] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, lls has to enable "--locck-on-suspend"
[22:51] <bluesabre> Unit193: yeah, probably a good idea
[22:51] <ochosi> so ll handles that
[22:51] <ochosi> cause ll listens to logind
[22:51] <ochosi> and will hence do the right thing
[22:52] <bluesabre> got it
[22:52] <ochosi> but that can't go straight to trunk
[22:52] <ochosi> the actual solution will have to be a bit more complex...
[22:52] <ochosi> but if this works, then at least we have a direction
[22:52] <Unit193> bluesabre: Quantal is EOL'd too, so any repo that has quantal packages can have those packages removed.
[22:52] <bluesabre> cool, good to know
[22:52] <ochosi> (cause as brainwash cunningly mentioned before, we need something that also works for xscreensaver, which doesn't listen to logind)
[22:52] <Unit193> (Saucy still has 66 days.)
[22:53] <ochosi> now off to bed...
[22:53] <ochosi> night everyone!
[22:53] <bluesabre> night ochosi
[22:54] <bluesabre> thoughts on having a ~xubuntu-dev/testing ppa where we test packages?
[22:58] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/1283459 took a while.
[22:58] <Unit193> bluesabre: That was pretty much the idea, no?
[22:58] <bluesabre> thought so, wanted to verify since it was never finalized
[23:00] <Unit193> ochosi thought it might be nice to have an /updates and /new-packages (or something) so if you only want to test the new packages rather than any updates that might happen, you could (unless I read wrong, my brain stops working in the heat/humidity.)
[23:12] <bluesabre> hm
[23:12] <bluesabre> not an admin of ~xubuntu-dev
[23:13] <bluesabre> so, I suppose we can start using xubuntu-dev/ppa again
[23:13] <bluesabre> I can upload packages, cannot create new PPAs
[23:14] <bluesabre> and I can go ahead and clean up that ppa removing all the lucid packages
[23:14] <bluesabre> thoughts Unit193?
[23:16] <Unit193> Yeah, micahg would have to create it.  Remember that I'm not the XPL or one of the devs, but doesn't sound like a bad idea, can always copy the packages.
[23:16] <Unit193> bluesabre: Do you use backportpackage?
[23:17] <bluesabre> yeah, I know
[23:17] <bluesabre> nope, never used that
[23:18] <bluesabre> sounds like a handy tool
[23:19] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/xfce I use it so I can upload to trusty+utopic (or more) with the "same version"
[23:19] <bluesabre> ah
[23:19] <bluesabre> I replace the version and debuild again
[23:19] <Unit193> (Well, that's a patched backportpackage, but don't tell anyone...)
[23:20] <bluesabre> s/version/release
[23:20] <Unit193> This also makes it clear it's the same version, but for different releases.
[23:20] <bluesabre> right
[23:20] <Unit193> LP doesn't like to take the same version for more than one release, last I knew.
[23:21] <bluesabre> oh, I guess I do use different versions
[23:21] <Unit193> Up to you, you're the dev. ;)
[23:21] <bluesabre> :)
[23:22] <Unit193> (Backportpackage normally makes it something like 2:1.6.3-2~ubuntu13.10.1~ppa)
[23:28] <bluesabre> xfce4-power-manager_1.2.0-3~trusty~ppa1
[23:29] <bluesabre> :)
[23:29] <bluesabre> crap, that's "older" than the ubuntu one
[23:32] <Unit193> (Doesn't matter here, but when it gets closer to 'z', the alphabet will wrap back to a, which is 'older' than 'z')
[23:33] <bluesabre> yay
[23:50] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10/+delete-packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=quantal - https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.12/+delete-packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=quantal ?
[23:55] <bluesabre> probably should do that
[23:55] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=trusty
[23:55] <bluesabre> ochosi: both packages uploaded ^
[23:58] <bluesabre> ah
[23:58] <bluesabre> technically, quantal has 4 days
[23:59] <bluesabre> I'll do ppa cleanup this weekend
[23:59] <Unit193> Oh it does?  Seems distro-info-data is a bit off, but that's expected I suppose.  Sure, thanks.