=== pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 === TheDrums is now known as DalekSec [08:47] bluesabre: small reminder, xfpm PPA ;) [09:23] ali1234: since you seem to know a bit about the xfwm4 compositor, could it actually do a fade-to-black blanking the screen smoothly based on X11's screensaver settings? (or is the compositor the wrong place to implement this?) [10:11] ochosi: poke === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [10:38] bluesabre, around? [10:38] knome: yes [10:38] good [10:38] tell me [10:38] what do i need to remove to get rid of the black screen problem [10:38] i don't mind losing features [10:39] as long as the laptop doesn't hang [10:39] light-locker, I believe [10:39] wasn't it an xfpm bug? [10:39] I think its a bit of both [10:39] aha... [10:39] ochosi also has a fix [10:39] that I am going to upload [10:39] i'll need to look at it then [10:39] aha [10:39] when????? [10:39] :P [10:39] if I knew where the code was [10:39] today? :P [10:39] lol [10:39] ochosi: poke poke [10:39] okay.. [10:39] i'm @ client [10:39] installing 14.04 \o/ [10:40] ah [10:40] awesome [10:40] after whining about mac/win ;) [10:40] would removing xfpm potentially fix it? [10:40] and were *all* laptop users affected [10:40] or only some? [10:41] only some [10:41] okay... [10:41] :| [10:41] it doesnnt affect me [10:41] common nominator? [10:41] it's an old acer travelmate [10:41] hard to say [10:41] my laptop is brand new and a gaming machine [10:41] so if its a race condition, I miss it [10:41] heh [10:41] okat [10:41] okay [10:41] so it happens when closing the lid? [10:42] and just doesn't return [10:42] from what I understand, yeah [10:42] oki [10:42] i'll test it [10:42] ok [10:42] my next shot at fixing it is in ~7 weeks [10:42] and i hope the final fix is in then [10:42] that would be ideal [10:42] absolutely [10:44] i hope ochosi's fix fixes it for good [10:47] me too [10:51] isn't it eric's fix? [10:52] https://github.com/EricKoegel/xfce4-power-manager/branches [10:52] bluesabre: ^ [10:53] which one? [10:57] logind-inhibit [11:16] drat [11:17] I'll have to finish this later, there is some extra stuff between the release in xubuntu and this patch [11:17] * bluesabre hoped to drop the files in and use quilt [14:14] bluesabre: this is the patch: https://github.com/EricKoegel/xfce4-power-manager/commit/21b8e5abf4e5f93c28cb964b4618b9b509780951 [14:14] (again :)) [14:14] brainwash: the logind-inhibit branch is the general patch, i'm not sure i'd wanna use that for xubuntu [14:14] as it is longer and hence harder to review/approve [14:15] the short (hackier) one fits xubuntu more directly, hence it won't go upstream [14:15] but with the amount of patches we carry in xfpm in 14.04, that isn't a problem at all [14:29] ochosi: woot [14:30] but this hack appears to be incomplete [14:30] in what way? [14:30] or rather meh [14:30] it's fine, it gets the job done [14:31] it's basically the same as the other, longer/better patch, but without the need to modify another xfconf setting in lls [14:31] and i want the dumb/simple one tested first, because there's no chance ppl could mess something up with said xfconf setting [14:31] does it work with xscreensaver? [14:34] that's of secondary concern to the testing i want now [20:19] any plans for a staging PPA? [20:20] basically a PPA which provides new stable versions for trusty [20:20] like xfce4-appfinder, version 4.11 did not make it into trusty [20:22] brainwash, how many PPAs do you guys have? [20:22] I don't know [20:24] the staging one would be only used for "stable" releases [20:24] so basically sync from debian [20:25] the user could continue using his ubuntu LTS release [20:25] but with up-to-date xfce/xubuntu components [22:49] brainwash: generally, we would use the xfce-4.12 ppa for that [22:50] ochosi: thanks [22:50] working on the package now [22:50] thanks bluesabre [22:50] i gotta hit the sack now [22:50] busy day tomorrow [22:50] alrighty, have fun [22:50] ty [22:51] before you go [22:51] if the small patch works, we should test the bigger one [22:51] was there something for light-locker too? [22:51] Can we (=not me) nuke https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ppa ? All for lucid. [22:51] (at least that's my opinion) [22:51] I mean [22:51] lls [22:51] bluesabre: yeah, lls has to enable "--locck-on-suspend" [22:51] Unit193: yeah, probably a good idea [22:51] so ll handles that [22:51] cause ll listens to logind [22:51] and will hence do the right thing [22:52] got it [22:52] but that can't go straight to trunk [22:52] the actual solution will have to be a bit more complex... [22:52] but if this works, then at least we have a direction [22:52] bluesabre: Quantal is EOL'd too, so any repo that has quantal packages can have those packages removed. [22:52] cool, good to know [22:52] (cause as brainwash cunningly mentioned before, we need something that also works for xscreensaver, which doesn't listen to logind) [22:52] (Saucy still has 66 days.) [22:53] now off to bed... [22:53] night everyone! [22:53] night ochosi [22:54] thoughts on having a ~xubuntu-dev/testing ppa where we test packages? [22:58] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/1283459 took a while. [22:58] Launchpad bug 1283459 in xscreensaver (Ubuntu) "Please merge xscreensaver (5.26-1) from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,Incomplete] [22:58] bluesabre: That was pretty much the idea, no? [22:58] thought so, wanted to verify since it was never finalized [23:00] ochosi thought it might be nice to have an /updates and /new-packages (or something) so if you only want to test the new packages rather than any updates that might happen, you could (unless I read wrong, my brain stops working in the heat/humidity.) [23:12] hm [23:12] not an admin of ~xubuntu-dev [23:13] so, I suppose we can start using xubuntu-dev/ppa again [23:13] I can upload packages, cannot create new PPAs [23:14] and I can go ahead and clean up that ppa removing all the lucid packages [23:14] thoughts Unit193? [23:16] Yeah, micahg would have to create it. Remember that I'm not the XPL or one of the devs, but doesn't sound like a bad idea, can always copy the packages. [23:16] bluesabre: Do you use backportpackage? [23:17] yeah, I know [23:17] nope, never used that [23:18] sounds like a handy tool [23:19] https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/xfce I use it so I can upload to trusty+utopic (or more) with the "same version" [23:19] ah [23:19] I replace the version and debuild again [23:19] (Well, that's a patched backportpackage, but don't tell anyone...) [23:20] s/version/release [23:20] This also makes it clear it's the same version, but for different releases. [23:20] right [23:20] LP doesn't like to take the same version for more than one release, last I knew. [23:21] oh, I guess I do use different versions [23:21] Up to you, you're the dev. ;) [23:21] :) [23:22] (Backportpackage normally makes it something like 2:1.6.3-2~ubuntu13.10.1~ppa) [23:28] xfce4-power-manager_1.2.0-3~trusty~ppa1 [23:29] :) [23:29] crap, that's "older" than the ubuntu one [23:32] (Doesn't matter here, but when it gets closer to 'z', the alphabet will wrap back to a, which is 'older' than 'z') [23:33] yay [23:50] https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10/+delete-packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=quantal - https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.12/+delete-packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=quantal ? [23:55] probably should do that [23:55] https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=trusty [23:55] ochosi: both packages uploaded ^ [23:58] ah [23:58] technically, quantal has 4 days [23:59] I'll do ppa cleanup this weekend [23:59] Oh it does? Seems distro-info-data is a bit off, but that's expected I suppose. Sure, thanks.