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vila | hi there, is this the right channel to ask about issues accessing az3.clouds.archive.ubuntu.com from a cloud instance ? (As in wget hangs at HTTP request sent, awaiting response) | 11:24 |
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marcoceppi | vila: this is as good as any | 11:58 |
marcoceppi | vila: you'll want to probably talk to utlemming but he isn't on yet | 11:58 |
vila | marcoceppi: great, thanks for the pointer, this is a weird issue, I can reach archive.ubuntu.com and even some files on az3 but apt-get source is failing | 12:00 |
vila | ftr: | 12:01 |
vila | wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/a52dec/a52dec_0.7.4.orig.tar.gz works | 12:02 |
vila | wget http://az3.clouds.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libp/libpng/libpng_1.2.46-3ubuntu4.dsc hangs | 12:02 |
lazyPower | is there a proxy defined in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d? | 12:02 |
vila | crap wrong test, lazyPower let me check | 12:03 |
vila | but there shouldn't be any | 12:03 |
lazyPower | i ask because my maas provisioned machines occasionally have issues due to that. I haven't tracked down why its an issue but commenting out the apt proxy seems to fix me up. | 12:03 |
vila | grep proxy returns no matches in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d | 12:04 |
lazyPower | ok. it was worth checking :) | 12:04 |
vila | indeed, thanks for that ;) | 12:05 |
vila | wget http://az3.clouds.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/Release works | 12:06 |
vila | so the network is correct. Right ? Right ?? | 12:06 |
vila | :) | 12:06 |
vila | wget http://az3.clouds.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/ hangs, that seems to be the starting point | 12:12 |
marcoceppi | vila: well, wget on an empty directory might be expected results | 12:13 |
marcoceppi | vila: what are you trying to do? | 12:13 |
vila | wget http://az3.clouds.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ works though | 12:13 |
vila | marcoceppi: apt-get source libpng | 12:13 |
vila | from apt-get source libpng --print-uris I isolated the above | 12:13 |
marcoceppi | ah | 12:14 |
vila | marcoceppi: note that wget http://az3.clouds.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ works | 12:14 |
vila | so it could be that this one is special cased but... I'd be more inclined to think something is borked on the servers | 12:14 |
marcoceppi | right | 12:14 |
marcoceppi | vila: yeah, let me find someone | 12:15 |
vila | if I wait long enough, it ends up with ERROR 504: Gateway Time-out. | 12:15 |
vila | for all failing urls | 12:15 |
gnuoy | marcoceppi, hi, I'm writing my first set of amulet tests and was wondering if there are any examples of interrogating the relation sentry that you know of ? | 13:08 |
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marcoceppi | gnuoy: we have a few charms that exist with amulet tests | 13:21 |
marcoceppi | gnuoy: memcache is one example, lazyPower do you have any others? | 13:21 |
gnuoy | marcoceppi, I'll take a look at memcache, thanks. (I'm really enjoying working with amulet btw) | 13:22 |
marcoceppi | gnuoy: I'm glad to hear that! There's a 1.5.1 with a few more patches landing today, but if you haven't hit the "charm not in source control" 1.5.0 should have what you need | 13:25 |
marcoceppi | gnuoy: anything amulet doesn't do that you need it, feel free to let me know! | 13:25 |
lazyPower | gnuoy, marcoceppi: mongodb, owncloud, apache allura (not merged yet), tomcat | 13:36 |
lazyPower | to name a few | 13:36 |
gnuoy | lazyPower, thanks, much appreciated | 13:37 |
* lazyPower hattips | 13:38 | |
vila | lazyPower: https embeds an AI ? | 13:42 |
lazyPower | vila: wat | 13:55 |
vila | lazyPower: you said hAttIps, I read that as AI in https, was I wrong ? | 13:56 |
vila | :-D | 13:56 |
marcoceppi | vila: http://i.imgur.com/cEnYB7n.jpg | 14:03 |
vila | hehe | 14:03 |
lazyPower | vila: hat tip ;) | 14:06 |
vila | lazyPower: ;) | 14:06 |
vila | lazyPower: oh ! http get its own ai too ?? Great ! | 14:07 |
dypsilon | Hi everyone, I'm just starting with juju and have a couple of basic questions. The first one would be: is it possible to deploy several services on one unit? So for example I would have one Digital Ocean virtual server and I want to install mongodb and node.js. | 14:42 |
tvansteenburgh | dypsilon: yes, see examples in `juju help deploy` | 14:52 |
dypsilon | tvansteenburgh, thank you | 14:53 |
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didrocks | hey | 15:17 |
lazyPower | o/ didrocks | 15:17 |
didrocks | I have a small question, on jcastro's advice, I'm following https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/howto-node.html | 15:17 |
didrocks | I was wondering about the node-app charm to set the right repo | 15:17 |
didrocks | it's pointing at juju deploy --config myapp.yaml node-app myapp | 15:17 |
didrocks | with the yaml being: | 15:17 |
didrocks | sample-node: | 15:17 |
didrocks | repo: https://github.com/yourapplication | 15:17 |
didrocks | however, in the charm itself (http://manage.jujucharms.com/charms/precise/node-app), I see that the config is using app_url | 15:18 |
didrocks | I'm probably missing one transformation step :) | 15:18 |
lazyPower | didrocks: you discovered a bug in the docs, good catch. | 15:18 |
lazyPower | didrocks: would you mind filing a bug? https://github.com/juju/docs | 15:19 |
didrocks | lazyPower: ah nice, can do, for sure, so the name should be mapping the charm config? | 15:19 |
jose | didrocks, lazyPower: I can fix it right now | 15:19 |
didrocks | jose: still want the bug opened? | 15:20 |
jose | ask lazyPower! | 15:20 |
lazyPower | didrocks: when you say name should be mapping the charm config, what do you mean? | 15:20 |
didrocks | lazyPower: options in the yaml config like "repo" should be the one in the charm config options | 15:20 |
jcastro | the config is missing on the charm page | 15:21 |
jcastro | I think the docs are referring to a config option that either doesn't exist, or used to exist and bitrotted | 15:21 |
lazyPower | well, looking at the docs, this is really confusing, a) there is no repo config options, its app_url | 15:21 |
didrocks | yeah, seems to be app_url | 15:22 |
lazyPower | and the name at the top of that config example should reflect the name of the charm | 15:22 |
lazyPower | eg, if you deploy node-app charm as "hoobadooba", it should read: hoobadooba: app_url: http://myawesomegithub.git | 15:22 |
didrocks | oh, so not "sample-node" but "node-app"? | 15:22 |
lazyPower | right | 15:22 |
didrocks | ah ok :) | 15:22 |
lazyPower | it needs some TLC - i'm busy with the Q at the moment but if you file a bug i'll make sure to circle back or another community member can play whack-a-bug with it | 15:23 |
didrocks | sure | 15:23 |
lazyPower | :) | 15:23 |
didrocks | opening now with the IRC context | 15:23 |
lazyPower | jose: ^ there's my response. <3 ty for offering to take point on it. | 15:24 |
jose | no prob! :) | 15:24 |
jose | negronjl: btw, there's still an MP in the branch | 15:24 |
negronjl | jose: sorry about that ... give me the link and I'll review as soon as I can | 15:25 |
jose | negronjl: https://code.launchpad.net/~jose/charms/precise/seafile/readme-cache-departed/+merge/217170 | 15:25 |
didrocks | lazyPower: jose: https://github.com/juju/docs/issues/94 | 15:26 |
jose | cool, thanks for reporting! | 15:26 |
didrocks | yw! | 15:26 |
lazyPower | +1 | 15:27 |
negronjl | jose: https://code.launchpad.net/~jose/charms/precise/seafile/readme-cache-departed/+merge/217170 Approved and Merged | 15:29 |
jose | negronjl: cool, thank you! | 15:29 |
jose | tvansteenburgh: hey! the seafile charm has been fixed now :) | 15:33 |
tvansteenburgh | jose: ack, i'll take a look now! | 15:34 |
jose | thank you! | 15:34 |
tvansteenburgh | jose: link to the seafile MP? | 15:38 |
jose | tvansteenburgh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bug/1078575 | 15:39 |
_mup_ | Bug #1078575: Charm needed : Seafile <Juju Charms Collection:Fix Committed by jose> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1078575> | 15:39 |
tvansteenburgh | jose: thanks | 15:39 |
jose | np | 15:39 |
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Tug | there is something I don't understand in juju charms, where is the hook sequence defined ? | 15:52 |
Tug | I guessed there would be a default sequence like: install > config-changed > start when deploying | 15:53 |
Tug | but there are custom events also (like replica_set_relation_joined in mongodb charm) and I don't see what triggers them | 15:54 |
lazyPower | Tug: The relationship hooks fire in sequence depending on when the relationship is defined | 16:07 |
lazyPower | Now, i'm not sure about anything behond that. there may be some sorting algorithm, but the relationships fire as follows | 16:07 |
lazyPower | joined -> changed -> broken -> departed | 16:08 |
lazyPower | Tug: so the idea is, the replica set hooks only fire when a replica-set relationship is created/destroyed. | 16:08 |
Tug | lazyPower, I see | 16:09 |
Tug | lazyPower, and the name replica-set, is it the peers property in metadata.yaml ? | 16:10 |
lazyPower | Tug: correct. its a peer relationship. | 16:11 |
Tug | lazyPower, I see, and peer relationships are triggered by add-unit I guess ? | 16:12 |
Tug | (or remove-unit) | 16:12 |
lazyPower | Tug: correct. Have a look at the MongoDB cluster bundle. its a series of teh same charm, with different relationship types among them | 16:13 |
lazyPower | https://jujucharms.com/sidebar/search/?text=mongodb | 16:13 |
lazyPower | that should help conceptualize whats going on implicitly with the mongodb charm, as its fairly complex out of the box with all the capabilities. A single charm can define a config server, a mongos instance, and 3 replicated shards. | 16:14 |
lazyPower | in that specific example :) | 16:14 |
lazyPower | all through the power and magic of config+relationships. | 16:14 |
Tug | lazyPower, it's clear, thanks :) | 16:16 |
lazyPower | happy to help :) | 16:16 |
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Tug | is there a way to rewrite a config option from inside a hook? | 16:50 |
Sebas_ | hey! | 16:50 |
Sebas_ | hi people :) | 16:50 |
Tug | A "config-set" would be useful no ? | 16:50 |
Tug | Hi | 16:50 |
niemeyer | Tug: That's "juju set" | 17:03 |
Tug | niemeyer, juju set is like export right ? | 17:04 |
niemeyer | Tug: Hm? | 17:04 |
jose | jcastro: to confirm, we're having troubleshooting I on fri at 19 UTC | 17:06 |
Tug | niemeyer, I'll have a look thx | 17:07 |
jcastro | yeah | 17:07 |
jcastro | let me post | 17:07 |
jose | cool, thanks | 17:07 |
niemeyer | Tug: There's no unit-side tool for setting the configuration | 17:07 |
niemeyer | Tug: If that's what you're looking for | 17:07 |
niemeyer | Tug: Configuration settings are global for all units of a given service, and they are read-only to the unit | 17:08 |
niemeyer | Tug: Which is why there's no config-set analogous to config-get | 17:08 |
niemeyer | Tug: juju set is how you change the settings, from the client side | 17:08 |
Sebas_ | has anyone tested a fresh install of an ubuntu trusty with juju-local ? | 17:08 |
Tug | niemeyer, ok | 17:09 |
lazyPower | Sebas_: every day. | 17:09 |
Sebas_ | i did 3 times now | 17:09 |
lazyPower | Sebas_: what appears to be teh side effect you're seeing? machines not spinning up? | 17:09 |
Sebas_ | lazyPower: I did it 3 times yesterday and today, and the containers, doesn't have the lxcbr interface | 17:09 |
Tug | niemeyer, juju set will do the job just fine for me ;) | 17:10 |
lazyPower | Sebas_: is it present on your machine? Thats part of the juju-local package. | 17:10 |
Sebas_ | lazyPower: the problem is that I don't have the bridge into the containers any more | 17:10 |
Sebas_ | in the local machine is it, but, in the container doesn't | 17:10 |
jose | jcastro: no juju troubleshooting I? | 17:11 |
lazyPower | hmmm | 17:11 |
Sebas_ | and i don't have any clue what can be that | 17:11 |
jcastro | jose, no that's after this one, we had to cancel this one due to technical problems | 17:11 |
jose | I know | 17:11 |
lazyPower | Sebas_: well LXBR0 is a bridged pseudo device, which should provide the eth0 in the container unless I'm mistaken. | 17:11 |
Sebas_ | hey jcastro! :) | 17:11 |
jose | jcastro: can you confirm with me the date for Juju Troubleshooting I? | 17:11 |
Sebas_ | yes! | 17:11 |
jose | jcastro: and speakers? | 17:12 |
Sebas_ | maybe is the kernel version, i don't know what to try :( | 17:13 |
lazyPower | Sebas_: I'm not sure what would have changed. My LXC containers still have a proper bridged ethernet device. | 17:14 |
lazyPower | have you modified anything in /etc/lxc? | 17:14 |
Sebas_ | nothing | 17:14 |
Sebas_ | i'm just formating and re installing the machine every time | 17:14 |
Sebas_ | its a dedicated server | 17:14 |
jcastro | evilnickveitch, I'd like to document juju ssh/scp, where should I put it? | 17:15 |
Sebas_ | i thought that the problem was because is installing with the repositories pointed to a proxy of the company | 17:15 |
lazyPower | Sebas_: Ping in #juju-dev, if you get no response, open a bug and mail the list about it. Thats my suggested workflow :( | 17:15 |
Sebas_ | but, I replace it before anything | 17:16 |
lazyPower | i wish i had better info to give you though... seems... crazy that it just tanked for you. | 17:16 |
Sebas_ | thanks lazyPower | 17:16 |
Sebas_ | :) | 17:16 |
jcastro | evilnickveitch, same question but for series | 17:24 |
jcastro | jose, lazyPower and me | 17:25 |
jose | ack | 17:25 |
jcastro | jose, we can pick one | 17:25 |
jose | jcastro: I had Troubleshooting II on 6/6 | 17:25 |
lazyPower | jcastro: I'm doing Troubleshooting I as well? cool. | 17:26 |
lazyPower | this'll be fun :D | 17:26 |
jcastro | jose, let's make that troubleshooting I | 17:26 |
jcastro | and make troubleshooting II the week after | 17:26 |
jcastro | sound good? | 17:26 |
jose | same time, same speakers? | 17:27 |
jose | sounds good to me | 17:27 |
jcastro | 6/13 | 17:27 |
jcastro | troubleshooting will be the entire team | 17:27 |
jcastro | you can just put me down as speaker | 17:27 |
jcastro | I'll emcee | 17:27 |
jcastro | I'll announce those now, get them out of the way | 17:28 |
jose | all set now | 17:28 |
jose | ubuntuonair.com/calendar has them | 17:28 |
jcastro | after that I want to do local provider | 17:31 |
jcastro | but I'll need to sync with thumper on that | 17:31 |
jose | just let me know and it'll all be set up for you | 17:32 |
jcastro | sinzui, got a minute to talk docs? | 17:35 |
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lazyPower | hey sarnold | 18:13 |
sarnold | hey lazyPower :) | 18:14 |
lazyPower | do you have 5 minutes for a quick q&a? I have an idea i want to bounce off of you | 18:14 |
sarnold | lazyPower: security team is doing a blueprint mumble right now, maybe in a bit.. | 18:14 |
lazyPower | ack. can you ping me? I'm in a meeting until 3 - but this is hot off the press of my nugget | 18:14 |
lazyPower | if i validate this idea, i'd like to draft up a spec. | 18:14 |
sarnold | oo :) | 18:15 |
Sebas__ | lazyPower: so the problem is the route | 18:15 |
sinzui | jcastro, I do have time to talk about docs. | 18:15 |
jcastro | sinzui, hey so a bunch of the things you mention in the release notes | 18:16 |
Sebas__ | lazyPower: because when i ping to an ip it works, but no domains | 18:16 |
jcastro | IMO we should also have those in the organized docs | 18:16 |
lazyPower | interesting | 18:16 |
jcastro | have you and nick thought about where some of those features live long term? | 18:16 |
Sebas__ | so must be something related to gateway or dns resolving | 18:16 |
jcastro | for example, you document series | 18:16 |
jcastro | but like, it's not in the structured docs, only the release notes | 18:16 |
sinzui | jcastro, everything I write in the release notes because howtos or amendments to the stable docs. That is what we did with the release of 1.18 | 18:20 |
jcastro | sinzui, ok, I see some of them are now sections are in the docs, but for example I don't see where series is documented outside of the release notes | 18:21 |
jcastro | sinzui, this isn't a criticism btw, I was just wondering for discoverability reasons | 18:21 |
sinzui | jcastro, that is because we didn't change anything about series. really we didn't | 18:21 |
sinzui | that is why CI has worked for 7 months | 18:21 |
jcastro | right, but before I didn't have to care about series | 18:21 |
jcastro | but now that 14.04 is out I have to care about series | 18:22 |
sinzui | we just blogged about how we use default-series | 18:22 |
sinzui | but local deployments are different, that that is documented | 18:22 |
jcastro | ok | 18:22 |
sinzui | jcastro, https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/charms-deploying.html | 18:22 |
jcastro | juju set-env "default-series=trusty" | 18:23 |
jcastro | aha! | 18:23 |
jcastro | I had missed that | 18:23 |
jcastro | sinzui, ok so really, there's nothing left to do wrt. docs for 1.18? | 18:23 |
sinzui | The juju devs have not agreed to my proposal to always include default-series with juju init, so we get extra support duties | 18:23 |
sinzui | no | 18:23 |
jcastro | do you have any nagging things you need fixed that I can work on? | 18:23 |
sinzui | I have 4 tasks for 1.12. | 18:24 |
sinzui | 1.20 | 18:24 |
jcastro | I have a card to ensure everything from 1.18 that is important be reviewed | 18:24 |
sarnold | lazyPower: okay, done :) | 18:24 |
sinzui | jcastro, check the orange cards in the backlog https://canonical.leankit.com/Boards/View/14028616#workflow-view | 18:27 |
sinzui | jcastro We will write the official docs when we know the devs are just fixing bugs in the new features | 18:28 |
sinzui | jcastro, marcoceppi We are getting close of letting juju-ci do the docs. We have a script, and we have lp creds now. I hope to get docs operational by Monday | 18:36 |
marcoceppi | \o/ huzzah | 18:36 |
jcastro | I <3 you | 18:36 |
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evilnickveitch | jcastro, i think scp/ssh needs a new page | 19:34 |
evilnickveitch | jcastro - as for default-series, it may be best to find all the undocumented config options. I'm sure there are more | 19:36 |
evilnickveitch | then we could have an @additional config section | 19:36 |
sebas5384 | im _sEBAs_, lazyPower and jose, just changed my nickname to sebas5384 :) | 19:49 |
sebas5384 | lazyPower i know the problem of resolving dns issue | 19:50 |
lazyPower | awesome ! | 19:50 |
lazyPower | what was the prognosis? | 19:50 |
sebas5384 | my dedicated server hadn't the nameservers hehe | 19:51 |
sebas5384 | xD | 19:51 |
jcastro | blink blink | 19:52 |
sebas5384 | but! the juju-gui still haves the problem with git | 19:52 |
jcastro | that's hadoop 2.2 in the review queue?! | 19:52 |
jose | looks like | 19:53 |
lazyPower | jcastro: you know it | 19:53 |
jose | uh, it's installing hadoop from a gzip in the charm | 19:54 |
marcoceppi | jose: that's fine | 19:55 |
jose | oh well | 19:55 |
lazyPower | jose: its what's called a fat charm | 19:56 |
lazyPower | works in offline environments | 19:56 |
jose | well, I didn't think of that | 19:57 |
asanjar | hi there | 19:57 |
lazyPower | asanjar: there's some talk about your work | 19:57 |
lazyPower | i believe jcastro was taken by awe that it was in the queue already | 19:58 |
asanjar | jcastro: is always taken away by my handywroks | 19:58 |
jcastro | I am a fan! | 19:59 |
asanjar | lol | 19:59 |
sebas5384 | jcastro: fat charm ? | 20:00 |
sebas5384 | the gzip is IN the charm ? | 20:00 |
jcastro | yes | 20:00 |
sebas5384 | Oo | 20:00 |
jcastro | so you have like a /files or /payload directory | 20:00 |
jcastro | in environments where the cloud doesn't have access to the outside world | 20:00 |
sebas5384 | yeah, but I would it use only for template files | 20:00 |
sebas5384 | like configurations files, etc... | 20:00 |
sebas5384 | hmmm jcastro get it... | 20:01 |
jcastro | it's not just charms, so like if you were doing an offline deployment, you need mirrors, charm mirrors, etc. | 20:01 |
jcastro | there are many places where ubuntu server/cloud as a whole falls over when there's no connection to the internet, so we're fixing that | 20:01 |
sebas5384 | hmmm yeah, but in that case, you use mirrors, of course | 20:02 |
lazyPower | sebas5384: depends on your network policy. Some are *that* locked down | 20:06 |
lazyPower | and we as charm authors should cater to the lowest common denominator to ensure we have robust services. There are several charms that clone github - its illogical to assume you will run a github mirror on your network. | 20:07 |
lazyPower | you could include a snapshot point release with the charm and reduce the overhead of running that mirror by adding a few extra lines of code to check for net connectivity, if offline, deploy from payload, otherwise clone from github for -HEAD | 20:07 |
sebas5384 | lazyPower: yeah i know some organizations that like to do that ¬¬ | 20:23 |
sebas5384 | lazyPower: now i get it, we have to attend all the enterprise cases | 20:24 |
lazyPower | *most | 20:25 |
lazyPower | ;) | 20:25 |
lazyPower | who knows sebas5384, the startups we empower today, are the enterprises of tomorrow. | 20:25 |
lazyPower | s/are/could be/ | 20:25 |
sebas5384 | exactly!! | 20:25 |
marcoceppi | sebas5384: jcastro lazyPower there's work in juju-core to make asset management (payloads, etc) way easier. For now this is the workaround | 20:25 |
lazyPower | marcoceppi: that blob delivery thing right? | 20:26 |
lazyPower | i got like 1% of what that was all about. | 20:26 |
marcoceppi | lazyPower: yeah resources | 20:26 |
lazyPower | but it makes sense. | 20:26 |
marcoceppi | lazyPower: think gitsubmodules for charms | 20:26 |
sebas5384 | but it isn't like a binary closed thing, right? | 20:26 |
marcoceppi | but not as crazy | 20:26 |
lazyPower | marcoceppi: http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/45167208.jpg | 20:27 |
sebas5384 | hahaha | 20:27 |
marcoceppi | sebas5384: it's just a way to map resources a charm needs and an asset repository. So if your deployment is behind a firewall you can sync the assets you need to your cloud deployment making "offline" deployments easy | 20:27 |
sebas5384 | lazyPower: i love this one http://i.imgur.com/3CS31.jpg | 20:28 |
sebas5384 | nice marcoceppi | 20:29 |
sebas5384 | :) | 20:29 |
sebas5384 | talking about things, where some talk about comparing juju vs openshift (since both are devops tools) | 20:30 |
sebas5384 | ? | 20:30 |
sebas5384 | i talked with openshift commnunity guys here at the FISL #15 the other day | 20:31 |
lazyPower | sebas5384: as announced today at openstack summit, we have some new stuff coming down the pipeline for running a PAAS | 20:31 |
sebas5384 | oohhh nice | 20:31 |
sebas5384 | lazyPower: can i know what? | 20:31 |
sebas5384 | hehe | 20:31 |
lazyPower | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsYdIJrJRLQ | 20:31 |
lazyPower | yep its public knowledge now | 20:31 |
sebas5384 | because i started a project of a charm factory | 20:31 |
sebas5384 | ohhh nice! | 20:32 |
sebas5384 | i didn't sow that one | 20:32 |
lazyPower | it was just aired about 4 hours ago | 20:32 |
sebas5384 | mark is homeless now? hehe | 20:32 |
sebas5384 | niceeeee | 20:32 |
sebas5384 | lazyPower: thank you sooo much | 20:32 |
lazyPower | very welcome. | 20:33 |
lazyPower | hattip.gif | 20:33 |
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