[04:49] Sorry I missed the meeting everyone. Had a horrible day and was asleep already at that point. [04:51] {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} to jussi [04:51] thanks valorie [04:52] Riddell recorded it, so I'm sure you can listen if you want to [04:54] I think Ill be satisfied with minutes, when someone writes them [04:56] we have some notes, so there is already a skeleton [04:57] ::qt-bugs:: [1254473] package libqtcore4 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.4 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: short read ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1254473 (by Lesha Ogonkov) [04:57] ::qt-bugs:: [1311184] package libqtcore4 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: trying... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1311184 (by Nathan Buckner) [04:57] ::qt-bugs:: [1312183] Please update qt4-x11 to 4.8.6 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1312183 (by Kubuntu IRC Bot) [04:58] jussi: this is one of my bits: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/CCmeeting [04:59] valorie: ok, thanks. Need to get back to my "paid work" - I will have a read though [05:01] more {{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}} [07:07] Good morning. [07:08] Riddell: I thought the meeting was voor devels/kubu-members. Oh well, how did it go? [08:18] lordievader: I think it went well, if a bit too much fun [08:18] so it went rather long [08:19] Ok, good to hear. Nothing wrong with fun ;) [08:19] all our meetings are open to everybody [08:19] as long as apachelogger/jellyfish has no hangover! [08:19] lol [08:21] Has he become a jellyfish now? [08:23] looks like he is *off irc entirely* [08:23] omg [08:24] everyone deserves a good night's sleep [08:24] :-) [08:53] mitya57, shadeslayer: more fun for bug 1295835 [08:53] bug 1295835 in qtchooser (Ubuntu) "qtchooser should have a fallback mechanism (for version AND architecture)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1295835 [08:53] you can install qdbus:i386 with qtchooser:amd64 and then the lookup fails because there's no fallback system for lookup paths apparently [08:56] Ridell: Hi Jonathan, apologies I missed the meeting! I've been so busy this year with the European Elections, I have had no time to work on Kubuntu stuff. I have of course been testing out 14.04 on my Laptop, it's working lovely for me. I am definetly staying involved with Kubuntu, and hope to spend more time later post elections. Thank You for reminding me about the meeting, I shall try hard to be there for the next one. [08:57] wow Sick_Rimmit, what are you doing for the elections? [09:00] valorie: Hi, Oh loads of stuff, I've been working full time on theunituk.com, EU Alternative media news site. I make daily News Videos, Google+ Social Media, and a Community on there. I runn a bi-weekly Hangout, which is broadcast form the site, and recorded to YouTube. This weeks is on Thursday at noon, its about the Coprenicaul and Sentianel Satellite space programme, drones and surveilance etc.. [09:01] whoops typo's apologies [09:02] that's wonderful [09:03] I like knowing that the free as in freedom viewpoint is getting out [09:04] I am also standing locally as a Councillor. [09:04] that's big! [09:04] best of luck [09:04] If I get in I'd like to get involved with the ODF initiative, UK Gov has mandated documents move to ODF, which is a great opportuniy for FLOSS I think [09:05] yes, I hope more govs will move towards open standards [09:05] and open data too [09:06] I did present to the European Union on FLOSS, back in around 2002, I was CEO of the Open Source Consortium here in the UK, and worked with Rishab Gosh. That was an experience, being barracked by the Sun, Microsoft lobby guys, made me sweat abit. [09:06] I'll bet [09:07] So that's what's keeping off Trello, and getting my tasks done. But I'm still a massive fan of Kubuntu, and very much commited to the project, it's just that the paid work has to come first :-( [09:08] Sick_Rimmit: Unacceptable. You should know we come first, no matter what else is in your life :P :P :P :P :P :D [09:08] * jussi giggles a little :P [09:09] Yes Sir, Sorry sir. I'll report to the commander forth with SIR!! rofl [09:09] * Sick_Rimmit laughing [09:10] hehe [09:10] Sick_Rimmit: good. if you are not there at 0500 youll have to do 200 pushups :P [09:11] * Sick_Rimmit Frowns [09:11] thanks for telling me about your exciting job, Sick_Rimmit [09:11] ttyl [09:11] Is that 200 negotiable at all ? [09:12] Sick_Rimmit: NO IT IS NOT! NOW GET DOWN AND GIVE ME 50!!! [09:12] :D :D [09:12] * jellyfish jellycomputes that it's now 250 [09:12] valorie: NP, I love talking about myself lol [09:12] ok... Ive had my fun as a seargent major, time to go back to being reasonable... [09:12] * jussi hi 5's Sick_Rimmit [09:13] * Sick_Rimmit lying face down on carpet, [09:13] Hangon I'm just getting started [09:13] 12 [09:13] 13 [09:13] 14 [09:13] 15 [09:13] lol [09:13] * jellyfish throws a coffee mug against the channel wall [09:14] Surely, that's an offence, throwing coffee, I'm telling the Sgt, you're going to get pushups for that jellyfish [09:15] I so wanted to make a windows joke there, but it just didnt come... [09:15] Right, I'm knocking it off now it's getting silly, and I'm supposed to writing some Python [09:21] jussi: agateau needs merchandise for some paris ubuntu thing [09:21] yup [09:21] hello world [09:22] sorry I missed the meeting yesterday. I had some family issues I had to attend to :( [09:22] well then the council should make a decision... === jellyfish changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 9/10 Jellyfish Love It | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Polo Shirts are available again!! https://holvi.com/shop/Kubuntu/ (Womens also) [09:23] jussi: the council decision was to ask you whether there's stuff left and ship that to france IIRC https://trello.com/c/lBlIqC63 [09:25] jellyfish: there is stuff left, how much do you want. you can see the remainder here: https://holvi.com/shop/Kubuntu/ [09:27] I was hoping for some male L sizes, but I see there is none anymore :/ [09:28] it's for a lottery, so I'd rather have "median" sizes [09:28] might be a nice way to encourage some women to come... [09:29] goodness me, whatever is going on? [09:30] Riddell: ? [09:41] Sick_Rimmit: ooh who should I vote for in the EU elections? [09:43] Well I think, that is a simple question of where you believe UK governance should be undertaken, Brussells / Strasbourg, or Westminster. [09:45] It's abit of an odd one, as the EU Presidential debates, were undertaken in MAastricht Uni, but we can't vote for any of them. We have to vote for National parties to put forward MEP's but then the EU Parliament won't allow National Parties to be represented, only Pan-European parties can be established there. It's a bit of cock up if you ask me [09:45] Sick_Rimmit: hah, it's a little different in scotland :) [09:46] My advice, is Vote for someone [09:47] vote for the pretty one! :P :P [09:48] I'd be spoilt for choice if I wanted nutty right wingers https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/p296x100/10247365_10152151896583983_3888371365247870370_n.jpg [09:48] Riddell: UKIP!!! :P [09:48] like I say, nutty right wingers... [09:49] looking at that there arent many in the "good" choices... [09:49] ::workspace-bugs:: [1274219] can't resize maximised windows / kubuntu @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1274219 (by SA) [09:49] bah, I have redraw issues :) [09:49] :( [09:50] jussi: actually that's a good thing, the right wingers are getting fractured while the sane people and the nutty left wingers mostly have their act together [09:50] Riddell: this is true [09:51] is anyone else on trusty having issues when you switch applications it only draws half the app until you activate parts that arent drawn? ie. chromium only draws the bottom half and I have to mouse over the bookmarks/url bar etc to get them to show up [09:52] (intel) [09:58] \o [10:01] /o [10:01] jussi: not me, though im on nvidia prime [10:02] valorie: please close https://trello.com/b/4zyxwgRP/14-04-documentation when you get a chance [10:05] jellyfish: why are you a jellyfish? [10:07] because jellyfish are cool [10:14] fair point... [10:14] hmm [10:15] libkscreen in plasma 5 probably wants to live alongside libkscreen in kdelibs4 land, what do I name the tar? [10:15] anyway, no one with intel has this drawing issue? [10:16] Riddell: doesn't the tar have a different version anyway? [10:16] jussi: no drawing issue here Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) [10:16] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=2&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 2 [10:17] jellyfish: different version but our archive needs a different name if they're both to survive [10:17] I have this: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) [10:17] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=7&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 7 [10:17] then again the only rdepends is kscreen and okular [10:17] tsimpson, jussi: I think we can ditch the kde rev stuff ^^ [10:17] Riddell: libkscreenSOVERSION_VERSION.orig.tar.gz [10:17] we will have to wait for tsimpson on that, I cant remember where the variable is kept [10:19] valorie: jussi Riddell http://paste.kde.org/phcr07vuz < proof read plz [10:19] shadeslayer_: reads fine to me [10:20] yofel: ^^ [10:20] shadeslayer_: launchpad -> Launchpad [10:20] lunchpad [10:21] s/lunchpad/jellyfish/ [10:21] yofel: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" [10:21] otherwise fine .P [10:21] shadeslayer_: all good otherwise [10:22] cheerio [10:22] sending then [10:23] someone should nominate the jellyfish [10:23] boo, I got moderated on kubuntu-users [10:23] lol [10:23] the word missing is "again" [10:23] on that note, shouldn't the council have admin rights on both kubuntu-devel and kubuntu-users? [10:24] because you did not fix it last time [10:24] because you are a lazy bum :@ [10:24] shadeslayer_: you have to ask Mamarok to let you through :) [10:24] shadeslayer_: or I can just give you the password [10:24] I don't want to subscribe to kubuntu-users :@ [10:24] I am le scared of them [10:24] with their feature requests and bugs [10:24] Riddell: or you could just approve my email :P [10:24] weren't council memeber supposed to be subscribed to -users? ^^ [10:24] *memebers [10:24] ....... [10:25] meme-bearers [10:25] meme bears [10:25] meme screw-jellyfish [10:26] we got to get rid of that Jussi Schultink guy, he was rubbish as a council member :P [10:26] shadeslayer_: "There are no pending requests." [10:27] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/phat2xh8p [10:27] that's what I got in my inbox [10:27] shadeslayer_: you need to be subscribed, because of lines 49+50... [10:27] shadeslayer_: where did you send it to? [10:27] kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com [10:28] am I nominated yet? [10:28] jellyfish: if you arent, can I nominate you+ [10:29] ? [10:29] sure [10:29] \o/ [10:29] I get free vodka for serving on the council, right? [10:29] shadeslayer_: its disappeared [10:29] we must embark on a quest to find it ! [10:29] * jellyfish gets his shield and sword [10:30] * shadeslayer_ gets a light saber [10:30] why do I have a tail === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer [10:30] 'Morning folks [10:31] * yofel puts down a railgun [10:31] I'll guard your backs :P [10:31] shadeslayer: do you have big jowls too if so you just turned into jaja binks [10:32] davmor2: no, I cut off my tail :3 [10:32] <-- see , no tail :P [10:32] haha [10:35] shadeslayer: subscribe and set it to nomail [10:35] good point [10:35] and there are no feature requests or bug reports there, we have disciplined them [10:35] * Riddell spams kubuntu-devel with approved messages [10:36] aaaaahhhh emails [10:36] plasma developers can't make up their minds what to call it, shall I just call it Plasma 5 and be done with it? [10:39] looks like it will be called Plasma 5 from what I can filter out of the discussion [10:40] anyone want to help me moderate kubuntu-devel ? I seem to be the only person on it now I've removed chris halls [10:40] Riddell: can do [10:41] shadeslayer: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/admin/kubuntu-devel/general pword sent [10:42] make all members moderators, that will teach them to be so lazy :P [10:42] if I could work out how to get these merge requests accepted automatically that would help [10:43] I love our community... [10:44] oh [10:44] my inbox [10:44] * jellyfish falls off chair [10:44] those moderating lists, are you using listadmin? [10:44] it makes things _way_ easier [10:45] lol, mail from apr 22 [10:49] hm [10:49] shadeslayer: didn't you have a baloo card WRT splitting baloo_file out or something? [10:49] ah found it [10:49] shadeslayer: https://trello.com/c/OrfBopyt [10:49] shouldn't that get moved to 14.10? [10:50] should have been? [10:50] https://trello.com/c/JH9j9mH5 [10:51] that's a different card [10:52] also listadmin keeps giving me a 301 on kubuntu-devel [10:52] ur using it wrong [10:53] :O [10:53] how? [10:54] also, how is that a different card? [10:54] reads the same to me [10:54] one is splitting one is about fixing shitty deps === tsdgeos_ is now known as tsdgeos [11:03] tsdgeos: how come okular depends on libkscreen? something to do with full screen presentation mode? [11:03] Riddell: your a4 page will be as big as an a4 page needs to be [11:04] interesting [11:04] so yes I'll rename the kf5 tar so they can co-exist [11:09] jellyfish: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1308931 [11:09] Launchpad bug 1308931 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[KDE] Ubiquity side bar is broken on the initial page for the KDE UI " [Medium,Confirmed] [11:09] someone needs to follow up [11:10] xnox: ^^ [11:40] morning sgclark [11:40] Riddell: morning :) [11:50] Riddell: any thoughts on where to stick the next PPA? [11:50] ~kubuntu-ppa? [11:50] also, what to name it [11:51] jellyfish: you mean a PPA for KF5 apps? [11:51] yeah [11:51] kubuntu-ppa/kubuntu-next [11:51] jellyfish: we're using experimental just now, do we need another one? [11:51] actually [11:51] Riddell: if we want to roll an ISO then I'd use something !experimental [11:51] mm [11:51] in fact I'd use something dedicated to future work heading towards 15.04/15.10 [11:52] Riddell: maybe have a fancy code name? ;) [11:52] on no not another code name [11:52] pfft [11:52] I like kubuntu-ppa/kubuntu-next [11:52] Riddell: we had gathered such lovely names last year though [12:13] Riddell: libkscreen and libksysguard https://www.dropbox.com/sh/p8hlhv9lztlyyjl/AADmvn7nDXl3yfl4g8sMBh_8a/kubuntu-files [12:20] Riddell: scratch libkscreen, fixing [12:21] sgclark: I put libkscreen in bzr [12:21] I think [12:21] actually no I didn't [12:22] Riddell: ECM is provided by extra-cmake-modules and that is in control, yet it couldn't find? [12:22] sgclark: can you make the changes I e-mailed, also change the name to libkscreen2 then put it in bzr libkscreen2 branch [12:22] sgclark: extra-cmake-modules is only in the ~kubuntu-ppa/experimental ppa [12:23] Riddell: ahh missed your mail, reading now sorry === jellyfish is now known as apachelogger [13:15] Riddell: libkscreen2 did not exist in bzr, created it, I think (hope) [13:17] sgclark: yep https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkscreen2 is the right thing to do [13:22] Riddell: want me to do that with ksysguard as well? [13:22] Riddell: libksysguard rather [13:22] sgclark: yeah, please [13:25] Riddell: done [13:27] sgclark: the launchpad bazaar branch browser highlights some untidy spacing in your control file :) http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libksysguard/view/head:/debian/control [13:27] "( >= 4.99.0)" → "(>= 4.99.0)" [13:28] sgclark: oh you still have Recommends: libqt5-dbg in that file but there's no such thing [13:28] qtbase5-dbg is the nearest equivalent [13:29] Riddell: grr thought I removed that. sorry, fixing [13:29] Riddell: and the odd spacing [13:30] sgclark: update watch file too for new location http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libksysguard/view/head:/debian/watch [13:30] unstable/plasma/VERSION/src/ [13:35] ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/plasma/([\d\.]+)/src/libksysguard-(.*)\.tar\.xz look right? [13:36] Riddell: ^ [13:36] Riddell: sgclark are you guys using autopkgtests for running the tests [13:36] or just running dh_make_test [13:36] because I think the latter is preferred now [13:36] tests? what tests? [13:37] the tests with frameworks [13:38] shadeslayer: yeah looks good [13:38] what looks good? I didn't do anything [13:39] sorry [13:39] sgclark: looks good [13:39] shadeslayer: just using dh_make_test I think [13:39] whatever is default, no special rule to change [13:40] Riddell: right, so we might want to start using autopkgtest [13:40] since that's the new fangled thing Debian seems to be promoting [13:42] Riddell: i think all the items in question are fixed [13:43] sgclark: lovely [13:43] shadeslayer: is there something I put in rules for this or? [13:43] http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/auto-pkg-test.html [13:45] sgclark: see my recent kde-workspace merge for a example [13:53] shadeslayer: where is the kde-workspace merge? [13:53] sgclark: bzr [13:53] ty [13:57] someone needs to start doing merges! [13:59] shadeslayer: these tests need to be created? time for a crash course in programming? [13:59] sgclark: not really, all you need to do is to run make test but via autopkgtests [13:59] since that's a better (?) env for running the tests [14:00] see the kde-workspace thing [14:00] shadeslayer: that is what I am looking at. Trying to see how I get those test files in the tests directory [14:02] The current method I have not had to do anyhting and the tests build. This seems overly complicated. But I guess they have their reasons. [14:04] * sgclark needs more coffee [14:04] new fangled things are usually complicated [14:04] sgclark: btw this is not something required immediately, just a suggestion when you have time [14:09] shadeslayer: ok, I will certainly give it a go. [14:10] sgclark: the tests/ directory in the source is written by upstream, not something you need to do. You just need to make sure 'make test' is runnably by autopkgtest [14:10] *runnable [14:10] sgclark: btw you'll mostly be on your own, I still haven't been able to figure out how to get the autopkgtests to run in pbuilder [14:10] yofel: that sounds reasonable, thank you [14:11] ok [14:11] shadeslayer: actually, you'll need a hook for that I believe, ximion had something for the buildd cowbuilder setup in tanglu IIRC [14:11] yofel: yeah, I googled for a hook, and have one, which doesn't work [14:15] yofel: apachelogger Riddell sgclark ScottK thoughts about getting the merge with debian done in Utopic first instead of pushing for 4.13.1 ? [14:15] because no one is running Utopic at the moment, or if they are, then they'll have to wait [14:15] shadeslayer: if that makes it easier then sure [14:15] fine with me, you could even wait for 4.14 [14:15] dunno if it makes it any easier [14:15] shadeslayer: https://gitorious.org/tanglu/jenkins-tanglu-buildkit/source/6694557e21cc163573338a3b21fd4757435af8e0:slave/pbuilder-hookdir/B20autopkgtest btw [14:15] yofel: yeah was thinking about it [14:16] just point me, willing to do whatever! [14:16] when is 4.14 out [14:16] sgclark: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-merges [14:16] not all of the things there might need a merge [14:16] I've just copied the SC package list there [14:17] please point me to one, the lasst one I did took days only to learn it was done by another! [14:17] yeah, 4.14 is in July, so we can keep doing merges for a bit and then upload 4.13.2 or whatever is latest then [14:17] sgclark: pick anything that's not been taken up [14:18] k [14:18] sgclark: start with something small I guess, gwenview for eg [14:18] well, as I told you, we'll have to bump breaks/replaces when we do a new version, so going straight to << 4.13.80 would be easiest [14:19] you do have a point, but I've already merged/uploaded kde4libs [14:19] sure, I just meant that .1/.2 is probably useless [14:20] we should keep the branches uploadable for now [14:20] ack [14:20] so plan going forward, wait for 4.14 beta then? [14:20] everyone in agreement? [14:20] * yofel yes [14:21] keep doing merges until they're done then upload whatever is new [14:22] someone should automate merges [14:22] * yofel nominates apachelogger [14:22] you could like... write the next gen merge-o-matic :P [14:23] you know [14:23] if control files weren't such rubbish and we used git this all would be no problem [14:23] here's an idea, how about we use git! [14:23] or that extent... if everyone would write control files that are mergable [14:24] though we'd have to basically clone all them git repos from debian and use that as a base [14:24] could we like... allocate a day at akademy for just that discussion? -.- [14:24] didn't you want to look into working on alioth? [14:24] since our histories are completely different, starting from what debian has would be optimal [14:24] shadeslayer: uhm no, it would more be like us having a branch on alioth [14:24] anything else is nonsense [14:24] oh sure [14:25] that works too [14:25] I like how shadeslayer made it sound as if having a clone is a headache :P [14:25] I don't see the point of having bzr branches which just make our lives harder [14:25] shadeslayer: the point is that lunchpad only does bzr and in the interest of having unified access control and stuff you'd want stuff to be on lunchpad [14:26] meh, why is the ~kubuntu-bugs membership only 3 months? I'm kind of tired of constantly renewing that -.- [14:26] hm [14:27] yofel: because ur not admin [14:27] what does that have to do with membership time? [14:28] as an admin you can set yourself to not expire [14:28] the point of it having such a short duration is because people like to collect badges [14:28] and if they want a badge for kubuntu-bugs, they better had put some effort into not timing out :P [14:28] aha [14:31] apachelogger: yofel FWIW I think having the discussion in september is too far away :( [14:31] well, we've delayed it for a couple of years already, a couple months more won't hurt [14:31] we *should* finish the discussion regarding kf5 though [14:32] that... got nowhere [14:32] mostly because I don't see the point of having the inconvenience of having our stuff on alioth, being always ahead of debian and them not really being interested in our work [14:33] and if they are they can just look at launchpad [14:33] yofel: debian-kde is understaffed [14:33] FWIW, we *could* do merges by importing the debian stuff in bzr and then merging that :P [14:33] UDD was kinda meant to be done like that [14:34] ^^ [14:34] apachelogger: that I know [14:35] so what's the inconvenience for us? [14:36] because as I see it we'd simply take over debian :P [14:36] hail hydra! [14:36] eh [14:36] hail kubuntu! [14:36] get that past pino :P [14:36] well if they don't wanna, then that's their business [14:36] so they can go merge stuff from us [14:37] AFAIK maxy does look at launchpad every now and then [14:37] because we have faster cadance and they are reinventing stuff unless they merge from us [14:37] right, so, IMO for us it doesn't really make a difference where we maintain stuff [14:38] if debian doesn't want us heading master on their alioth repos then that's their loss really [14:38] well, not for those here that are already a member of debian-qt-kde anway [14:38] yofel: like become member is so hard :P [14:39] hey, it takes more than a second :P [14:39] even if it were, if we were to share repos surely we should be given privs to equip everyone with push rights [14:40] well, we *could* try things out with kf5, like have a 'next' branch that's dedicated to us. [14:41] Riddell: what would you say to a command like ./tarme.rb --origin trunk -v 5.0.0 kde/workspace/* [14:41] The only real issue with reusing whole packages would probably be different patch sets [14:41] yofel: there shouldn't be should there? [14:41] yofel: why a next branch btw? [14:41] well, no, but I'm looking at reality [14:42] I'll have you know that Linus thinks development happens in master :P [14:42] next because I kinda feel weird hijacking master for kubuntu in a repo meant for debian [14:42] apachelogger: why does it need a command at all, shouldn't you just set stuff in a config file and run ./releaseme plasma [14:42] master should be for unstable/experimental [14:42] yofel: how about a patchless master [14:43] yofel: no, the branch unstable should be for unstable, respectively the branch experimental should be for experimental, respectively the branch stable should be for stable :P [14:43] that could work... I guess, though that wouldn't be any different than 2 branches with different patch sets [14:43] apachelogger: (and then ./releaseme --pushtags plasma when I'm happy ) [14:43] yofel: yeah, but we cannot carry a debian exclusive patch set in master [14:43] and carrying the kubuntu exclusive patch set in master isn't an option either [14:44] why not? master would be theirs, we would be in next [14:44] (as we're ~always ahead) [14:44] I'll have you know that Linus thinks development happens in master :P [14:44] Riddell: ./tagme actually [14:44] well yeah, but there only "one" kernel [14:45] Riddell: in january for some reason I decided that separating things into standalone binaries is more reasonable than a gozillion options [14:45] although, with your branch naming we would develop in master, then merge into 'utopic' to release? [14:45] equally ther's logme which not only sounds incredibly dirty but generates a changelog ^^ [14:45] yofel: yup [14:46] master is always the canonical head of packaging [14:46] apachelogger: fair enough [14:48] yofel: mind you, all of this might be causing work overhead or not, I have not thought about this for very long :P [14:48] apachelogger: Riddell yofel ScottK Akademy room on 11th September fine with you [14:49] but that will happen eitherway unless our packaging with patches is the HEAD of development [14:49] shadeslayer: should be [14:49] 11th is wed [14:49] works for me [14:49] apachelogger: Thursday [14:49] not wed [14:49] really [14:49] ah yes [14:49] apachelogger: well, I'm not having a clear view on how that'll work with our scripts, but I guess it shouldn't be too hard to use [14:49]