[05:55] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:12] <jussi> MooDoo: morning
[06:13] <MooDoo> :)
[06:32] <MooDoo> morning jussi how are you on this fine day?
[06:33] <jussi> MooDoo: fine day? meh. Im alive, I guess...
[06:33] <MooDoo> jussi: it's nice and sunny where I am and it's HUMP day so can't grumble
[06:34] <jussi> can someone just make this day go away? feels like a monday :(
[08:11]  * DJones blames AlanBell for the crashed chicken transporter on the M62 near Warrington causing 2 hour delays for anybody heading onlong it towards Manchester
[08:11] <nigelb> hah
[08:13] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:13] <dwatkins> mornin
[08:14] <brobostigon> morning
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> DJones: psh, as if people want to go TO manchester
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> :P
[08:15] <nigelb> burrrrrn :D
[08:15] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Can't disagree with that
[08:15] <DJones> Just glad I was going in the other direction
[08:16] <DJones> Hopefully I won't need to go out to out Openshaw depot today
[08:16] <DJones> If I do, it'll be roast chicken for the next 6 months for dinner
[09:13] <Myrtti> aaaaaaaa
[09:13] <Myrtti> there we go, now I've got the song in my head again
[09:13] <Myrtti> /o\  http://open.spotify.com/track/7IW8D32HseVQHeo8J67BBl
[09:36] <mapps> HHH
[09:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Third Shift Workers' Day! :-D
[09:57] <mapps> morning mate
[09:58] <directhex> protip for BT internet users: http://redirect.svc.networks.btretail.net/webredirect/?d=www.bt.com/appsconsumeraccount/ipSharing.do
[10:01] <TwistedLucidity> Any way I can tell if a release upgrade is actually running? I have no GUI or terminal output to show that anything is actually happening.
[10:02] <TwistedLucidity> When I try to start it again, I get a lock warning.
[10:02] <TwistedLucidity> Trying to go from Kubuntu 13.10 to 14.04
[10:03] <mapps> not sure
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> directhex: what's it about?
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> From the URL + a bit of google.. CGNAT?
[10:04] <directhex> MartijnVdS, due to IPv4 address space exhaustion, BT have helpfully decided to use carrier grade NAT for domestic customers
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> ugh
[10:05] <directhex> the URL is for opt-out.
[10:10] <BigRedS_> TwistedLucidity: "ps aux | grep dpkg"
[10:10] <Laney> wowzers I never noticed that terminator can open LP: #XXXX bugs before
[10:10] <TwistedLucidity> BigRedS_: Ah, tah much. "pgrep dpkg" seems to work too.
[10:11] <TwistedLucidity> Why I have no indication of progress is a msytery to me.
[10:11] <TwistedLucidity> Oh well, shall let it trundle along
[10:21] <BigRedS_> TwistedLucidity: yeah, I tend to distrust just pgrep and always want to know what the actual command was
[10:22] <BigRedS_> also, the content of the lock file may be a pid, I can't remember with dpkg
[10:35] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:39] <popey> pip pip
[10:39] <popey> hows the phablet?
[10:51] <mapps> hi bigcalm
[10:53] <bigcalm> popey: the S5? It's nice
[10:53] <bigcalm> popey: not quite into phablet sizes. Still smaller than the Note
[10:54] <bigcalm> That said, does make my S3 feel small
[11:10] <jussi> my s3 died a horrible death...
[11:10] <jussi> she fell on the tiled floor
[11:10] <jussi> and broke her face...
[11:11] <jussi> now I cant see any expression from her, even though her heart still beats. She needs serious surgery to revive her
[11:13] <popey> i could do with a nexus 4 with a smashes screen
[11:16] <diplo> I've got my sisters S3 with smashed screen
[11:16] <diplo> But its about £90 to fix myself or £140 in the shop
[11:16] <diplo> :/
[11:16] <jussi> popey: what will you trade me for mine...? :D
[11:17] <jussi> its only minorly smashed, a small break in the right lower corner... :D
[11:18] <Myrtti> protip: get a cover for it
[11:18] <popey> jussi: a nexus 4?
[11:18] <Myrtti> I ♥ Ringke Fusion
[11:18] <jussi> popey: yes
[11:18] <popey> thats what I have on mine
[11:19] <popey> but replacing with an orange cover
[11:19] <jussi> Myrtti: thats why it only has a small break - i have a cover on it
[11:19] <popey> jussi: you could donate it to me, and I'll use it for the betterment of Ubuntu phone. Thank you!
[11:19] <popey> i need a phone I can use to run some automated tests
[11:19] <jussi> popey: my wife would be unhappy with that arrangement. can you provide some other phone to trade? :D
[11:20] <popey> I have an HTC Hero I'm not using ☻
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> the phone with the chin
[11:20] <popey> yes
[11:21] <jussi> *G* sorry... no :P
[11:27] <popey> Well.
[11:27] <foobarry> how do i pass an env variable to a ruby script? https://github.com/thorin/redmine_ldap_sync/blob/master/README.md
[11:27] <foobarry> The tasks recognize three environment variables:
[11:27] <foobarry> DRY_RUN - Performs a run without changing the database.
[11:27] <foobarry> cannot see how to do this :S
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: DRY_RUN=1 ./script
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: or
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> export DRY_RUN=1
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> ./script
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> or
[11:28] <foobarry> oh. easy peasy. thanks
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> env DRY_RUN=1 ./script
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> Lots of ways :)
[11:29] <foobarry> hmm.. that works, but the dry run fails
[11:30] <foobarry> the real "wet" run does work. weird
[11:31] <foobarry> sums up my experience of ruby on rails tbh
[11:39] <mapps> :(
[11:39] <mapps> just read that kid lost his fight with cancer
[11:39] <mapps> raised 3.5million
[11:39] <mapps> but died today (
[11:43] <MooDoo> yeah how sad
[11:43] <MooDoo> Stephens story
[11:43] <MooDoo> he's a legend
[11:45] <diddledan_> morning
[11:48] <MooDoo> morning diddledan_
[12:05] <foobarry> what did he raise money for?
[12:06] <MooDoo> teenage cancer trust
[12:06] <MooDoo> http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/stephen-sutton-dies-hospital-family-7118377
[12:06] <foobarry> what do they do?
[12:06] <MooDoo> support young teenagers with cancer
[12:06] <MooDoo> http://www.teenagecancertrust.org/
[12:09] <foobarry> good effort
[12:10] <Myrtti> I've donated over 100 pounds this year for Cancer Research
[12:10] <MooDoo> I'm getting on that way....
[12:10] <foobarry> i get a bit confused about where the line is drawn between the research done by pharmas and charities
[12:11] <Myrtti> even have a policy that if anyone wishes to donate to me or a charity because I've helped them, I point them to CRUK
[12:11] <MooDoo> fogive my ignorances, but pharmas research the cure, charaties deal with the people that have it?
[12:11]  * MooDoo looks at Myrtti with the aim of giving her a big hug
[12:11] <foobarry> i dunno. i assume the human side is in the charity, but cancer research UK are massive research org
[12:12] <MooDoo> foobarry: I don't care, they want money from me to find a cure, they got it.
[12:12] <foobarry> of course
[12:12] <Myrtti> foobarry: rare cancers or cancers that can't be diagnosed early enough to be cured aren't targeted by pharma
[12:12] <foobarry> i just wonder if the pharmas just bank a profit or feed back into the charities
[12:13] <Myrtti> if 90% of diagnosed kick the bucket within 6 months of diagnosis, there isn't that much incentive for pharma's to do research
[12:13] <diddledan_> we're allowed to hug, now, MooDoo ?
[12:13] <diddledan_> I thought there was a strictly hands-off policy
[12:13] <MooDoo> diddledan_: only if Myrtti gives you permission
[12:13] <foobarry> i lost my dad to pancreatic cancer last yr. there's not a great survival rate
[12:14] <diddledan_> maybe it's just me :-p
[12:14] <MooDoo> my dad was diagnosed with blood cancer two weeks ago
[12:14] <Myrtti> foobarry: my mum went almost 6 months to the day from diagnosis for bile duct cancer
[12:15]  * MooDoo sobs
[12:15] <foobarry> :(
[12:15] <diddledan_> I need a new mouse
[12:15]  * foobarry hugs all round
[12:16] <diddledan_> :-( /me hugs MooDoo
[12:16] <MooDoo> thanks
[12:16] <foobarry> feels inappropriate to share that dog video now
[12:16] <Myrtti> I can't remember much of 2011 - I realised when I was looking at the past results of Eurovision
[12:16]  * foobarry waits a while
[12:19] <foobarry> ym job is to provide good IT solutions to research (including medical research). feel a bit bettr about doing good work for those guys instead of my previous life in banks where it just profited the traders
[12:25] <jussi> to make a user full admin, which groups should I add them to?
[12:25] <jussi> I intend to delete the main user and want to replace it with this one
[12:27] <MooDoo> wheel?
[12:28] <Wobbo>  It runs, but it continuously hang. I've had it before, I do not know why and I do not know how I can fix this. But, Android ADT works fine.
[12:28] <jussi> MooDoo: more info needed?
[12:28] <MooDoo> jussi: I'm thinking out loud lol
[12:28] <jussi> MooDoo: oh, ok :)
[12:28] <TwistedLucidity> Well the upgrade didn't go too bad. Any fix for Ubuntu insisting I am using a US keyboard, even though every settings says GB?
[12:29] <MooDoo> jussi: do they just want to be able to do everything? couldn't you just add them to the sudo group so that they can run the sudo command?
[12:29] <diddledan_> sudo is the correct way
[12:30] <MooDoo> phew got that one right then :)
[12:30] <jussi> MooDoo: I dunno, is that enough? the point is that I need to give this PC back to work, and I want to delete the user so all the info disappears
[12:31] <MooDoo> jussi: if they can sudo they can do anything
[12:31] <jussi> but there needs to be a replacement user that can log in and do whatever
[12:31] <jussi> ok
[12:53] <Myrtti> remember to vote! --> http://www.euvox.eu/
[12:55] <foobarry> forgot to post my vote
[12:55] <foobarry> maybe tomorrow
[12:55] <foobarry> the EU list is ridiculous... animal welfare party plus a load of extreme group
[12:57] <Myrtti> I was reading about the falsified eu vote ads the other day
[12:59] <Myrtti> some are trying to mislead by telling people that voting for some party will basically put their vote in the discard pile because they won't get elected anyway, but the EU vote is proportional, not first past the post
[13:01] <bashrc> so what is euvox?
[13:02] <bashrc> I would really like to vote for policies, not parties
[13:02] <shauno> there's a pretty decent tradition of ridiculous parties.  monster raving loonies comes to mind.  we apparently have a dog running here locally?
[13:02] <Myrtti> bashrc: you answer the questionnaire and it tells you which party is closest to what you've answered
[13:03] <Myrtti> I'm a bit shocked that it gave me LibDem as the closest UK match instead of something I was expecting
[13:04] <diddledan_> it gave me libdem too
[13:04] <Myrtti> but I'm not voting in the UK election yet so that's fine, I'm spared of making a decision
[13:05] <bashrc> I don't think I would vote libdem, but that's maybe a topic for a different channel
[13:06] <shauno> weird questionaire.  it seems to spend the entire second half asking me what party?
[13:07] <jussi> I did it, got Vihrea :)
[13:07] <jussi> even though I cant vote...
[13:08] <Myrtti> ah, the way the proportional vote in EU UK vote is calculated is the same as in Finland
[13:08] <Myrtti> I'm confused by the lack of possibility of voting for a candidate though
[13:08] <Myrtti> but oh well
[13:09] <shauno> I'm not entirely convinced it actually came up with an answer for me; http://i.imgur.com/ksg6wC2.png
[13:09] <jussi> Myrtti: Im just confused.
[13:09] <DJones> Heh, Mine came out with Lib Dem, Conservative & Labour all virtually the same, with UKIP as a negative
[13:09] <Myrtti> I should probably do the same questionnaire for the UK vote...
[13:09] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: Thanks for that. Apparently I am just slightly to the right to Attila the Hun. :-P
[13:10] <jussi> DJones: you really are confused.... :P
[13:11] <TwistedLucidity> bashrc: That's not a bad idea. I (sort of) agree with the Greens, but a few of their policies are IMnsHO backwards
[13:11] <TwistedLucidity> AFAICT, they're the least bad candidate. :-S
[13:12] <DJones> jussi: Maybe not that confused, just don't trust any of the parties
[13:12] <bashrc> if there is a Pirate Party candidate I'll probably vote for them
[13:13] <DJones> I wonder whether a vote for UKIP would be better than ending up with a Nick Griffin as MEP as we've got now
[13:13] <bashrc> good grief
[13:13] <TwistedLucidity> I'll start an "Honesty Party". Policies #1: We're in it for own benefit.  #2 Maximise expenses claims and free trips. #3 Err...that's all.
[13:14] <diddledan_> this is me: http://imgur.com/mjZU46d
[13:14] <diddledan_> I'm a leftie I guess
[13:14] <TwistedLucidity> COMMUNIST!
[13:15] <DJones> I bet the back end to that questionnaire is going into some poll somewhere on peoples expected voting habits
[13:15] <diddledan_> lol
[13:15] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan_: Put the tree-huggers at the top, shuffle LibDem and Labour down...mine had almost the same %s
[13:15] <diddledan_> lol @ treehuggers
[13:16] <shauno> hopefully they're using it to weed out the ukip voters so they can be deported appropriately
[13:16] <bashrc> I am a computationalist
[13:16] <TwistedLucidity> If they weren't anti-nuke and anti-rail, I could vote from them with a clear conscience.
[13:16] <diddledan_> I'm completely glad that ukip scored badly. I don't want to associate with racists
[13:16] <foobarry> UKIP didn't start as racists
[13:17] <bashrc> did they start as idiots?
[13:17] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan_: UKIP have *nothing* on some of the moon-unit leaflets I've been getting through the door
[13:17] <foobarry> they just started as an anti EU version of the tories
[13:17] <foobarry> even BNP used to say "freedom of movement in EU is fine"
[13:17] <bashrc> actually my certificate unit name is "Moon Unit"
[13:18] <diddledan_> foobarry, now they're isolationist and xenophobic, which IMO equates to racism
[13:18] <shauno> if I can just skip straight ahead to the Godlwin line, you ever wonder how the national socialists were facists rather than socialists?  they didn't start out that way either.
[13:18] <foobarry> diddledan_: yes, they are now
[13:18] <TwistedLucidity> And in all faireness too them, the EU is a corrupt cesspool (bit like Westminster really). I like the idea of a united Europe, but some of the EU shenannigans makes me a sad puppy.
[13:18] <foobarry> and many BNP types fill their ranks
[13:18] <foobarry> TwistedLucidity: hence the popular vote from lots of old people
[13:19] <foobarry> at the last bunch of elections
[13:19] <foobarry> but UKIP are now spouting lots of bnp rhetoric
[13:19] <foobarry> and are saying nasty things
[13:19] <diddledan_> my main problem with europe is that the court of human rights is an autonomous unit with no oversight
[13:19] <diddledan_> like the NSA
[13:19] <TwistedLucidity> One of the candidates here was ejected for UKIP for being *too* racist!
[13:19] <bashrc> X all the Ys!
[13:20] <foobarry> same here
[13:20] <foobarry> that henwood bloke
[13:20] <foobarry> said bad things about lenny henry
[13:20] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan_: They can always change the laws that the ECHR enforces....
[13:20] <diddledan_> TwistedLucidity true
[13:20] <bashrc> I think Henry will have the last laugh
[13:21] <TwistedLucidity> OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
[13:21] <TwistedLucidity> Oh, wrong Henry....
[13:21] <diddledan_> bashrc, he's a comedian, of course he's going to have the last laugh :-p
[13:21] <bashrc> shouldn't that be "her"?
[13:21] <foobarry> he hasn't been funny since i was a child
[13:23] <TwistedLucidity> I think the EU is a scapegoat for changes the politicos in the UK want to ram through regardless of any opposition (e.g. Routemasters, driving test centres etc)
[13:26] <bashrc> driving test centres?
[13:32] <TwistedLucidity> Yup
[13:33] <TwistedLucidity> The UK claimed that because the EU mandated tests at 50km/h (31m/h) that they couldn't be done on roads and millions now needed to be spent on new ones with test areas
[13:34] <TwistedLucidity> This resulted in many old ones being closed, which meant long trips for some
[13:34] <TwistedLucidity> Of course the projects over ran and weren't ready on time...a total shambles.
[13:35] <bashrc> test areas.  sounds cool
[13:35] <Myrtti> wat
[13:35] <TwistedLucidity> Turns out, the UK could simply have varied the speed to 48km/h (30m/h) but chose not to
[13:36] <bashrc> so it was an argument over 2km/h ?
[13:36] <TwistedLucidity> So the UK claimed, although it never was
[13:38] <bashrc> those kinds of things aren't very important.  it would be better if they argued about something more exciting
[13:38] <TwistedLucidity> Simialr thing happened in London when the ditch Routemasters for bendies. "Oh the EU is forcing us too..." Lies.
[13:38] <TwistedLucidity> bashrc: That's the point, there was no argument. The UK made it up
[13:39] <bashrc> aha
[13:39] <bashrc> still, the test centres could have been cool
[13:39] <TwistedLucidity> They exist
[13:39] <bashrc> do they have bits that you can swerve around?
[13:40] <TwistedLucidity> That's part of the test, yes
[13:40] <bashrc> oh that sounds glorious
[13:40] <TwistedLucidity> I'd have to go look up all the bits again.
[13:40] <Myrtti> it's super confusing that there's a little kid with my name in the neighbourhood
[13:40] <TwistedLucidity> bashrc: It's not a skid pan
[13:40] <TwistedLucidity> That's a thing I would love to have a go on
[13:41] <Myrtti> Finnish driving lessons have to include the skidding part
[13:41] <TwistedLucidity> Understandably
[13:42] <TwistedLucidity> I am told the UK license is much harder these days. Certainly my bike test was harder than my car test (about 5 years apart)
[13:44] <foobarry> i believe all the stories now that i have worked in public sector
[13:44] <foobarry> i didn't see how they could be true
[13:44] <foobarry> now i wonder how anything gets done
[13:44] <foobarry> who uses redmine? MooDoo ?
[13:45] <diddledan_> I try to know as little about redmine as I can get away with to actually work it
[13:45] <foobarry> just spent 3 days solidly working on a new redmine server, all bells and whistles
[13:45] <diddledan_> our install is seriously outdated tho
[13:46] <foobarry> been quite a challenge tweaking it, getting ldap -> sync, etc
[13:46] <foobarry> findign correct plugins for other tweaks
[13:47] <foobarry> have one small issue remaining
[13:47] <foobarry> a stndard install would take me ~ 1hr
[13:47] <foobarry> but this has been a beast
[13:57] <awilkins> foobarry, I use / admin Redmine
[13:58] <awilkins> foobarry, My install wiki page takes about 20 minutes
[13:58] <awilkins> We have LDAP and Mylyn integration plus the "Add managers to P1 tickets as watchers" plugin I wrote.
[13:58] <awilkins> Ondrej Sury's PPAs help immensely
[14:00] <foobarry> awilkins: what ppas?
[14:01] <awilkins> foobarry, https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/redmine
[14:01] <foobarry> also, my particular setup requires creating of tickets from anon users, which i have done, but
[14:01] <foobarry> the anon users don't get sent the emails
[14:01] <awilkins> He used to support back to precise, but that seems to have gone
[14:02] <awilkins> Oh, goody, the packages are still there
[14:02] <foobarry> so i use the redminecrm plugin, and i can send a note to the anon user but i still can't get them added as a watcher by default which is what i want, because i want techies to reply via email to tickets and the anon user gest the mail
[14:02] <awilkins> Oh, criminey, no they are not
[14:02] <foobarry> i'm on 14.04
[14:02] <awilkins> foobarry, Yeah, I think we will be too soon at this rate :-)
[14:03] <foobarry> any ideas about my issue?
[14:03] <awilkins> Not used that plugin.. and we don't allow anonymous access.
[14:03] <foobarry> sounds similar to your plugin, was it a lot of work?
[14:04] <awilkins> It's about 20 lines of Ruby?
[14:04] <foobarry> i sync my ldap users but new-not-yet added potential users need to converse via email tickets
[14:04] <awilkins> foobarry, https://github.com/awilkins/redmine_priority_mail_watcher
[14:04]  * foobarry looks
[14:05] <foobarry> which version does this support? could be handy for us
[14:05] <awilkins> Supports ermmmmm 2.x up to 2.4.3 at least
[14:05] <awilkins> And as mentioned in the comments, it's rubbish
[14:05] <awilkins> The config is "edit the source code"
[14:05] <foobarry> i see.
[14:06] <foobarry> do u change the UI theme at all?
[14:06] <awilkins> And I lied, it's about 50 lines of Ruby
[14:06] <foobarry> wonder if default is best
[14:06] <awilkins> lib/*/hooks.rb
[14:06] <foobarry> i just had a lok
[14:08] <foobarry> redmine is so awesome yet always something a little missing
[14:08] <foobarry> for your needs
[14:08] <awilkins> Yeah. And I kinda wish it was written in Python
[14:08] <foobarry> i feel so shonky doing this ruby rake stuff
[14:08] <awilkins> Ruby is blech
[14:08] <foobarry> feel outta my depth
[14:08] <diddledan_> ruby scares me
[14:09] <diddledan_> I think it's because it's so completely different to anything I've used before
[14:09] <awilkins> I sat down with a Ruby on Rails book and felt a bit better afterwards
[14:09] <awilkins> it's just sort of framework-by-convention
[14:09] <foobarry> i should do that, which boko?
[14:09] <foobarry> book?
[14:09] <awilkins> Can't remember, it was at my local hackerspace in manchester...
[14:10] <awilkins> I should have borrowed it
[14:10] <awilkins> There's the Ruby Koans too
[14:10] <awilkins> Helps with the syntax
[14:10] <awilkins> It's just a bunch of broken unit tests and you learn Ruby by fixing them
[14:11] <foobarry> i just get confused about user permissions
[14:11] <foobarry> who can run rake etc
[14:11] <foobarry> who *should* run it too
[14:11] <awilkins> I think that's just about who has the access rights to the folder
[14:12] <shauno> I feel we should offer hugs.
[14:12] <shauno> hah, sorry, I was scrolled up to "I use / admin redmine".  whoops
[14:12] <awilkins> Redmine Survivors Network
[14:12] <foobarry> i need chocolate
[14:12] <foobarry> found out my wife has been chomping my chocolate
[14:12] <foobarry> she ate 2 of my flake bars yesterday, 1 day after finding out i had a stash
[14:13] <shauno> I fear you didn't read the fineprint on the vows.  if you're married, the chocolate is no longer yours
[14:13] <foobarry> thats why i have secret stashes
[14:13] <foobarry> but i popped one on my strawberry dairy ice cream and her eyes lit up
[14:13] <foobarry> should have munched it secretly int he kitchen
[15:17] <awilkins> The world here is too hot
[15:18] <awilkins> Just in this office I suspect
[15:18] <awilkins> We lease it so they have no incentive to make us comfortable
[15:20] <Myrtti> should I go and get more laundry to wash? done three loads already today...
[15:32] <diddledan_> Myrtti, you're doing well then
[15:33] <diddledan_> I need to do some, too
[15:34] <Myrtti> well it's a pretty day and we don't have a dryer
[15:34] <Myrtti> so laundry day it is
[17:52] <daftykins> so you guys know Specsavers?
[17:52] <daftykins> i was at the owner's house today O_O
[17:58] <daftykins> anywho looked at a clients system today...
[17:58] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/58eBzFF.png
[17:58] <daftykins> over 2 million bad sectors on an 80GB HDD, seems legit
[17:59] <funkyHat> Assessment: OK :D
[17:59] <DJones> 80Gb HDD, how old is it
[18:00] <daftykins> well it came in a dodgy deal PC, running all kinds of questionable software
[18:00] <daftykins> as the SMART info there reads, it's been powered on for 2 years at least
[18:00] <daftykins> funkyHat: yeah i love that bit, apparently everything's fine if you ignore 2 million sectors have gone 8D
[18:02] <daftykins> then the second disk in the system is a 1TB WD... checking its' warranty i learn that it was pulled from a WD My Book Essentials unit, so likely an external HDD enclosure - and was out of warranty back in Jan 2012
[18:02] <daftykins> \o/
[18:04] <DJones> And thats running Specsavers :) ?
[18:04] <daftykins> lol no totally unrelated
[18:04] <DJones> Don't answer that, client confidentiality etc
[18:04] <daftykins> the system was at a building firm who are working on the owners place
[18:05] <daftykins> why does tzdata always get these updates 0o
[18:06] <daftykins> ok i have to restart my host for patch tuesday ho-hum ;_;
[18:23] <daftykins> talking of knackered HDDs, now zeroing my 2TB one that went wonky :O!
[18:37] <daftykins> i just worked out with some basic maths that this 80GB HDD that has 2 million bad sectors... has 8.5GB bad space :)
[18:48] <shauno> tzdata gets updates because timezones are crazy.  eg, http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_egypt05.html  (Egypt announced on may 8th that it's starting DST on may 15th.  changing your timezone with 1 week warning requires out-of-cycle updates)
[18:51] <daftykins> D:
[18:51] <daftykins> interesting
[18:51] <daftykins> ty sir
[18:51] <shauno> its' nice to think of it the other way around - it's impressive that given one week warning, your machine is already all set.  yaknow, just in case you go to egypt tomorrow
[18:52] <daftykins> lmao
[18:52] <shauno> seriously :)  all the XP machines are going to get it wrong
[18:53] <daftykins> i was disappointed to see that XP still gets the Malicious Software Removal Tool each month
[18:53] <shauno> I'm disappointed that "malicious software removal" doesn't remove XP
[18:54] <daftykins> 8D
[18:54] <daftykins> now now
[18:54] <daftykins> i'm doing these Western Digital warranty extension card things
[18:54] <daftykins> they've got the silver scratchcard style strips with the code under...
[18:55] <daftykins> only scratching with a coin also scratches off the code underneath
[18:57] <shauno> so you didn't win anything :(
[19:03] <daftykins> nah :(
[19:04] <daftykins> crikey, there we go 6 scratched and codes entered
[19:04] <daftykins> wewp wewp
[19:04] <daftykins> £18 to extend 6 disks to 4 year warranty from 3
[19:04] <shauno> including shipping?
[19:05] <daftykins> alas no :(
[19:05] <daftykins> £4.95 shipping from ebuyer
[19:05] <daftykins> in fact good call, have to ask for the VAT back now
[19:22] <daftykins> guys, 14.04 desktop - should single user mode by submitting the extra kernel boot parameter of 'single' work or not?
[19:36] <shauno> it does on server.  I know it's not an answer, but it's an awkward silence
[19:37] <daftykins> :D
[19:38] <daftykins> ty sir
[19:38] <daftykins> it fudges up on desktop, all you get is a blinking cursor and no TTYs
[19:38] <daftykins> (tested in a VM)
[19:40] <SuperEngineer> Steam's todo list [no completed : 1/ have major foul up 2/ keep absolutely silent about it 3/ treat customers [wage-payers] as if they do'nt exist.  Job complete.
[19:41] <SuperEngineer> sub no/now
[19:42] <daftykins> Linux edition? :)
[20:42] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: yup, all versions, & it is major. [sorry for late reply - listening to UUPC]
[20:56] <shauno> bah, humblebundle sending emails titled "ACTION REQUIRED" is not cool, at all.  'action required' means I've done something wrong, something's broke, or I owe you money.  It does not mean you want me to sign up for moar lists
[21:24] <shauno> man, there is nothing more annoying than trying to convince people that isps, harddrives, etc don't use kilo=1000 just to trick you
[21:32] <diddledan_> shauno, it's all a scam, though, isn't it?
[21:36] <shauno> one of these days, I will hunt you down