[08:02] <Laney> hallo
[08:05] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:05] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:06] <Laney> hey seb128, what's up?
[08:06] <seb128> we have some blue sky today!
[08:07] <didrocks> pfff, usual business in the "south" :p
[08:07] <seb128> wait for those rainy clouds I just send
[08:07] <seb128> they should be on time for your midday exercice :p
[08:08] <didrocks> seb128: I plan to leave for exercise in 40 minutes, ahah, too late! :)
[08:09] <seb128> the forecast looks good for Lyon this week/w.e, nice for you
[08:09] <seb128> not so much next week though
[08:10] <didrocks> yeah, but again, they will be wrong! :)
[08:10] <didrocks> at least, until I'm leaving for Malta
[08:10] <seb128> haha
[08:11] <seb128> ;-)
[08:11] <didrocks> and then, as usual, it will rain like cats and dogs just to go to the tramway for the airport trip
[08:11] <seb128> yeah, right, let Julie under the rain and go to the sun
[08:11] <didrocks> yeah \o/
[08:11] <seb128> lol
[08:11] <didrocks> that's how you ensure that someone miss you :p
[08:11] <didrocks> (just for the weather of course)
[08:12] <seb128> right, what else? ;-)
[08:12] <seb128> "I married Didier to get good weather, nothing else"
[08:16] <didrocks> :)
[08:26] <Mirv> :)
[08:48] <xnox> seb128: i'd like to join Debian GNOME team =) i've sent an application about it on alioth.
[08:49] <seb128> xnox, that seems like a good idea ;-)
[08:49] <seb128> (not sure who approves members nowadays, I've not been really active in the team for a while)
[08:49] <Laney> why are you asking in *ubuntu*-desktop for that?
[08:49] <seb128> you might want to check with them on #debian-gnome oftc
[08:53] <Mirv> seb128: I filed bug #1319711 for ubuntu-system-settings AP test that started failing yesterday
[08:54] <seb128> Laney, ^
[08:54] <seb128> ogra_, ^
[08:54] <Laney> ok
[08:56] <xnox> seb128: well you are an admin, you can approve people =)
[09:06] <seb128> xnox, right, except that I don't feel like I've been member of that team enough recently to take admin decision
[09:06] <seb128> that's more a leftover status
[09:07] <seb128> thanks for asking on #debian-gnome ;-)
[09:09] <Sweet5hark> So, sometimes after suspend on trusty I get a different looking lockscreen  (with a gtkish prompt) and that one always claims my password to be wrong. Known issues?
[09:09] <seb128> no
[09:10] <seb128> is that similar to the < trusty lockscreen? (gnome-screensaver)
[09:10] <seb128> did you check you keyboard layout in there?
[09:15] <Sweet5hark> Keyboard layout shouldnt be an issue, Im using US everywhere.
[09:16] <Sweet5hark> The thing has a gnome3ish top bar and says "Light DM" there. FWIW, it might be because I installed quite a few xubuntu packages which might have messed with that.
[09:20] <Sweet5hark> actually, the background is not my session wallpaper but something xubuntu-branded, so yeah.
[09:25] <Laney> you probably got light-locker
[09:26] <seb128> Sweet5hark, ok, I don't know about that one, but what Laney said
[09:26] <Laney> I guess it's supposed to accept your password though, so if you're inclined you might want to debug with xubuntu people
[09:31] <Sweet5hark> seb128, Laney: Indeed, I had that package (now removed). You make that sound like its an illness. Can I get vaccination? ;)
[09:32] <Sweet5hark> lets see if this helps in the next wakeups ....
[09:32] <seb128> Sweet5hark, well, you might still want to report a bug to be nice to xubuntu
[09:32] <seb128> let us know
[09:32] <Sweet5hark> lets see if it solves it ...
[09:33] <Sweet5hark> seb128: (and I will have a hard time describing reproduction: I had a weird unity/xubuntu mix there and it only happened sometimes)
[09:34] <Laney> you sometimes got different lock screens?
[09:34] <Laney> that sounds ungood
[09:43] <Laney> http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/15/uk-forecast-enjoy-hottest-day-year-weekend
[09:43] <Laney> (H)
[09:46] <seb128> Laney, they forecast 26°C here next week
[09:47] <Laney> haha
[09:47] <Laney> don't take this away from me!
[09:48] <seb128> you can file a written request, it's going to be precessed in due course... ;-)
[09:48] <seb128> meanwhile it's grey and windy again
[09:48] <seb128> take your rain back!
[09:49]  * didrocks sees blue sky here
[09:49] <Laney> la la la la
[09:49] <didrocks> failed to run before the dentist though due to this cu2d request
[09:49] <didrocks> so, I guess that will be post-dentist :p
[09:50] <seb128> didrocks, dentists? good luck!
[09:50] <seb128> just checking? or anything to get fixed?
[09:51] <didrocks> thanks! just checking yeah, normally :)
[09:51] <seb128> good
[09:51] <didrocks> I decided to not have to wait for 8 years before checking back this time :p
[09:51] <didrocks> only 2!
[09:51] <seb128> haha
[09:51] <seb128> Julie made you, right? ;-)
[09:51] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[09:51] <seb128> :-)
[09:51] <didrocks> (never had *any* issue in that space)
[09:51]  * didrocks touches woods
[09:51] <seb128> I had when I was a kid
[09:52] <didrocks> like a lot of people apparently
[09:52] <seb128> I didn't for like 15 years now
[09:52] <didrocks> shouldn't be enjoyable :p
[09:52]  * seb128 touches wood as well
[09:52] <ochosi> Sweet5hark: sounds also like you have lightdm-gtk-greeter (which is what xubuntu uses over unity-greeter)
[09:53] <Sweet5hark> ochosi: thanks, also removed now
[10:05] <seb128> Laney, so, I got side tracked in doing slidedecks yesterday, but looking again to the unity8 iso
[10:05] <seb128> Laney, if I use your script, is it going to use the ppa to build the iso?
[10:06] <seb128> Laney, or asked different "how do you I get the patched upstart on the iso"
[10:06] <seb128> upstream and unity8-desktop-session
[10:06] <Laney> yeah the script adds the ppa
[10:06] <Laney> see add_ppa in there
[10:07] <Laney> don't forget to use the new livecd-rootfs auto/config from the ppa on your host
[10:07] <seb128> I installed that deb
[10:07] <Laney> nod
[10:27] <seb128> ogra_, please avoid calling compiz cruft, it's still our main desktop and we have people doing good work on it ;-)
[10:27] <ogra_> heh, ok
[10:27] <seb128> no point to demotivate/dismiss good work
[10:27] <seb128> thanks
[10:28] <ogra_> sorry :)
[10:28] <ogra_> it serves me fine indeed :)
[10:28] <seb128> no worry ;-)
[10:33] <seb128> grrr
[10:33] <seb128> chroot: failed to run command '/usr/bin/env': No such file or directory
[10:33] <seb128> wth!
[10:38] <seb128> bah, it works in /tmp, I wonder if there is something it doesn't like about my user directories or maybe ecryptfs
[10:38] <seb128> well, at least I got it not erroring out
[11:05] <rickspencer3> good morning desktoppers
[11:09] <didrocks> hey rickspencer3!
[11:09] <seb128> rickspencer3, good "morning" (is 6am late enough to be qualified like that?)
[11:09] <rickspencer3> bonjour didrocks
[11:09] <seb128> oh, it's 7am
[11:10] <rickspencer3> hehe
[11:10] <seb128> good morning then ;-)
[11:10] <rickspencer3> indeed, I slept in
[11:10] <didrocks> so late ;)
[11:10] <seb128> lol
[11:11] <rickspencer3> didrocks, seb128 for the year I lived in France, one of our friends teased me that I was like "the chickens"
[11:11] <didrocks> yeah, that's the right expression :)
[11:12] <seb128> indeed
[11:12] <didrocks> and suit well to France FWIW :)
[11:13] <rickspencer3> oh well
[11:40] <didrocks> ok, time for dentist!
[11:41]  * didrocks will continue reading juju doc while waiting
[11:51] <seb128> didrocks, good luck
[12:49] <didrocks> seb128: all went well :)
[12:50] <didrocks> radio + scaling (tartar removal)
[12:50] <didrocks> and that's it :)
[12:50] <didrocks> I would have never guessed that scaling can be used that way :)
[12:54] <seb128> hehe
[13:39] <mpt> kenvandine, I think custom ringtones and notification sounds would be a fine idea, but I don’t set the product requirements. ;-)
[13:40] <kenvandine> sure, it's not on any current list
[13:40] <kenvandine> mpt, but... users expect to be able to set custom ringtones :)
[13:40] <ogra_> lets just make a list then :P
[13:40] <ogra_> users also expect to set their own wallpaper ...
[13:40] <kenvandine> mpt, and rickspencer3 told me to make sure it got added :)
[13:40] <ogra_> not that we would allow that one either ...
[13:41] <kenvandine> ogra_, good point :)
[13:42] <ogra_> (and we still have a system-settings option for the wallapaer stuff)
[13:42] <ogra_> (which is a no-op)
[13:43] <kenvandine> true... it half works :)
[13:43] <kenvandine> greeter
[13:43] <ogra_> indeed
[13:43] <ogra_> i still happily use my custom pic on the greeter
[14:01] <marga> Hi! There are a bunch of files in /etc/X11/Xsession.d that modify the STARTUP variable, always adding to it without deleting the rest of the content.  Recently, though 99upstart was introduced, which replaces STARTUP with "init --user" thus deleting any changes done to it by other scripts.
[14:01] <marga> Is this on purpose? It's breaking ssh-agent for me, but I suspect it probably breaks other things for other people.
[14:02] <marga> I use ssh-agent and not gnome-keyring daemon, it used to start because it gets added through 90x11-common_ssh-agent, but it doesn't start anymore now that 99upstart deletes it from the STARTUP variable.
[14:03] <seb128> Laney, mpt, kenvandine, larsu, charles: settings meeting?
[14:03] <larsu> seb128: I'll join in a couple of minutes
[14:04] <seb128> marga, xnox was working on the ssh agent issues I think
[14:04] <seb128> check with him directly maybe
[14:04] <seb128> he's probably the best to ask about that
[14:04] <marga> I saw some changes related to gnome-keyring
[14:04] <kenvandine> i didn't really have anything to discuss, cramming to finish something up before leaving for malta
[14:04] <seb128> kenvandine, ok
[14:04] <xnox> marga: ssh-agent has a native upstart session job.
[14:04] <marga> xnox, you mean the openssh-client package?
[14:04] <xnox> marga: thus ssh-agent should be working correctly under upstart managed desktop user session.
[14:05] <xnox> marga: correct shipped in the openssh-client package.
[14:06] <marga> It's not working for me.  It's possible that it's something related to local customizations.  I'll investigate further.
[14:06] <seb128> larsu, don't bother
[14:06] <xnox> marga: well, read /usr/share/upstart/sessions/ssh-agent.conf especially pre-start script.
[14:07] <marga> xnox, ok, thanks
[14:07] <xnox> marga: as there are a number of conditions that need to be satisfied for ssh-agent job to run on start-up.
[14:07] <xnox> marga: or, in the logged in session $ initctl --user status ssh-agent, should say start/running.
[14:07] <xnox> if not, something is not working correctly.
[14:08] <marga> xnox, I'm missing the upstart file
[14:08] <marga> I guess that's the root cause of the problem :)
[14:09] <xnox> marga: =))))) you can disable upstart managing the desktop session by commenting out your desktop session from /etc/upstart-xsessions
[14:09] <marga> xnox, what would I lose if I did that?
[14:09] <xnox> marga: and then it should all be "normal xinit/gnome-session" with no upstart managing the user session.
[14:10] <xnox> marga: we have converted _all_ flavours to use upstart sessions, and some packages started to assume that upstart is available in the desktop session.
[14:10] <xnox> marga: and thus some things may be missing dbus-activation files and/or xdg-autostart files. In that case those services will not be running.
[14:10] <marga> ok. Well, I'll make sure that the upstart file is where it should be, then.
[14:10] <xnox> marga: but i would consider that a serious / sru bug. As the intention was that in Trusty, one should be able to run a non-upstart-managed desktop session by default.
[14:11] <xnox> marga: yeap. if something still doesn't work properly, feel free to ping me =)
[14:11] <marga> xnox, thanks! :)
[14:15] <seb128> larsu, sorry I was discussing with some QA guys, the "don't bother" is because nobody was there, so no point
[14:16] <seb128> we just had some QA guys and Ken who joined later
[14:17] <larsu> okay
[15:22] <didrocks> Laney: I guess you saw it, but just in case: http://debarshiray.wordpress.com/2014/05/15/transparent-terminals-back-in-fedora/
[15:22] <didrocks> not sure if it's linked to your work as well :)
[15:23] <Laney> didrocks: no, but as it happens I am working on that patch atm ;)
[15:23] <Laney> to add the theme stuff back for us
[15:25] <didrocks> yeah :)
[15:26] <Laney> rishi wrote all of it afaik, then larsu passed it on to me
[16:56] <ember> [D
[17:08] <antarus> hrm
[17:08] <antarus> you don't take bugs in libreoffice?
[17:08] <antarus> apport seems to not let me send a crash report
[17:09] <antarus> hrm I guess it is in [main]