=== Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [08:02] hallo [08:05] good morning desktopers [08:05] hey Laney [08:06] hey seb128, what's up? [08:06] we have some blue sky today! [08:07] pfff, usual business in the "south" :p [08:07] wait for those rainy clouds I just send [08:07] they should be on time for your midday exercice :p [08:08] seb128: I plan to leave for exercise in 40 minutes, ahah, too late! :) [08:09] the forecast looks good for Lyon this week/w.e, nice for you [08:09] not so much next week though [08:10] yeah, but again, they will be wrong! :) [08:10] at least, until I'm leaving for Malta [08:10] haha [08:11] ;-) [08:11] and then, as usual, it will rain like cats and dogs just to go to the tramway for the airport trip [08:11] yeah, right, let Julie under the rain and go to the sun [08:11] yeah \o/ [08:11] lol [08:11] that's how you ensure that someone miss you :p [08:11] (just for the weather of course) [08:12] right, what else? ;-) [08:12] "I married Didier to get good weather, nothing else" [08:16] :) [08:26] :) [08:48] seb128: i'd like to join Debian GNOME team =) i've sent an application about it on alioth. [08:49] xnox, that seems like a good idea ;-) [08:49] (not sure who approves members nowadays, I've not been really active in the team for a while) [08:49] why are you asking in *ubuntu*-desktop for that? [08:49] you might want to check with them on #debian-gnome oftc [08:53] seb128: I filed bug #1319711 for ubuntu-system-settings AP test that started failing yesterday [08:53] bug 1319711 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "test_tz_list_initially_empty started failing in image #29" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1319711 [08:54] Laney, ^ [08:54] ogra_, ^ [08:54] ok [08:56] seb128: well you are an admin, you can approve people =) [09:06] xnox, right, except that I don't feel like I've been member of that team enough recently to take admin decision [09:06] that's more a leftover status [09:07] thanks for asking on #debian-gnome ;-) [09:09] So, sometimes after suspend on trusty I get a different looking lockscreen (with a gtkish prompt) and that one always claims my password to be wrong. Known issues? [09:09] no [09:10] is that similar to the < trusty lockscreen? (gnome-screensaver) [09:10] did you check you keyboard layout in there? [09:15] Keyboard layout shouldnt be an issue, Im using US everywhere. [09:16] The thing has a gnome3ish top bar and says "Light DM" there. FWIW, it might be because I installed quite a few xubuntu packages which might have messed with that. [09:20] actually, the background is not my session wallpaper but something xubuntu-branded, so yeah. [09:25] you probably got light-locker [09:26] Sweet5hark, ok, I don't know about that one, but what Laney said [09:26] I guess it's supposed to accept your password though, so if you're inclined you might want to debug with xubuntu people [09:31] seb128, Laney: Indeed, I had that package (now removed). You make that sound like its an illness. Can I get vaccination? ;) [09:32] lets see if this helps in the next wakeups .... [09:32] Sweet5hark, well, you might still want to report a bug to be nice to xubuntu [09:32] let us know [09:32] lets see if it solves it ... [09:33] seb128: (and I will have a hard time describing reproduction: I had a weird unity/xubuntu mix there and it only happened sometimes) [09:34] you sometimes got different lock screens? [09:34] that sounds ungood [09:43] http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/15/uk-forecast-enjoy-hottest-day-year-weekend [09:43] (H) [09:46] Laney, they forecast 26°C here next week [09:47] haha [09:47] don't take this away from me! [09:48] you can file a written request, it's going to be precessed in due course... ;-) [09:48] meanwhile it's grey and windy again [09:48] take your rain back! [09:49] * didrocks sees blue sky here [09:49] la la la la [09:49] failed to run before the dentist though due to this cu2d request [09:49] so, I guess that will be post-dentist :p [09:50] didrocks, dentists? good luck! [09:50] just checking? or anything to get fixed? [09:51] thanks! just checking yeah, normally :) [09:51] good [09:51] I decided to not have to wait for 8 years before checking back this time :p [09:51] only 2! [09:51] haha [09:51] Julie made you, right? ;-) [09:51] yeah ;) [09:51] :-) [09:51] (never had *any* issue in that space) [09:51] * didrocks touches woods [09:51] I had when I was a kid [09:52] like a lot of people apparently [09:52] I didn't for like 15 years now [09:52] shouldn't be enjoyable :p [09:52] * seb128 touches wood as well [09:52] Sweet5hark: sounds also like you have lightdm-gtk-greeter (which is what xubuntu uses over unity-greeter) [09:53] ochosi: thanks, also removed now [10:05] Laney, so, I got side tracked in doing slidedecks yesterday, but looking again to the unity8 iso [10:05] Laney, if I use your script, is it going to use the ppa to build the iso? [10:06] Laney, or asked different "how do you I get the patched upstart on the iso" [10:06] upstream and unity8-desktop-session [10:06] yeah the script adds the ppa [10:06] see add_ppa in there [10:07] don't forget to use the new livecd-rootfs auto/config from the ppa on your host [10:07] I installed that deb [10:07] nod [10:27] ogra_, please avoid calling compiz cruft, it's still our main desktop and we have people doing good work on it ;-) [10:27] heh, ok [10:27] no point to demotivate/dismiss good work [10:27] thanks [10:28] sorry :) [10:28] it serves me fine indeed :) [10:28] no worry ;-) [10:33] grrr [10:33] chroot: failed to run command '/usr/bin/env': No such file or directory [10:33] wth! [10:38] bah, it works in /tmp, I wonder if there is something it doesn't like about my user directories or maybe ecryptfs [10:38] well, at least I got it not erroring out === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:05] good morning desktoppers [11:09] hey rickspencer3! [11:09] rickspencer3, good "morning" (is 6am late enough to be qualified like that?) [11:09] bonjour didrocks [11:09] oh, it's 7am [11:10] hehe [11:10] good morning then ;-) [11:10] indeed, I slept in [11:10] so late ;) [11:10] lol [11:11] didrocks, seb128 for the year I lived in France, one of our friends teased me that I was like "the chickens" [11:11] yeah, that's the right expression :) [11:12] indeed [11:12] and suit well to France FWIW :) [11:13] oh well [11:40] ok, time for dentist! [11:41] * didrocks will continue reading juju doc while waiting === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === dednick is now known as dednick|lunch [11:51] didrocks, good luck === mjohnson15 is now known as mjohnson === mjohnson is now known as mjohnson15 === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === greyback is now known as greyback|food === tedg is now known as ted === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:49] seb128: all went well :) [12:50] radio + scaling (tartar removal) [12:50] and that's it :) [12:50] I would have never guessed that scaling can be used that way :) [12:54] hehe === ted is now known as tedg === greyback|food is now known as greyback [13:39] kenvandine, I think custom ringtones and notification sounds would be a fine idea, but I don’t set the product requirements. ;-) [13:40] sure, it's not on any current list [13:40] mpt, but... users expect to be able to set custom ringtones :) [13:40] lets just make a list then :P [13:40] users also expect to set their own wallpaper ... [13:40] mpt, and rickspencer3 told me to make sure it got added :) [13:40] not that we would allow that one either ... [13:41] ogra_, good point :) [13:42] (and we still have a system-settings option for the wallapaer stuff) [13:42] (which is a no-op) [13:43] true... it half works :) [13:43] greeter [13:43] indeed [13:43] i still happily use my custom pic on the greeter [14:01] Hi! There are a bunch of files in /etc/X11/Xsession.d that modify the STARTUP variable, always adding to it without deleting the rest of the content. Recently, though 99upstart was introduced, which replaces STARTUP with "init --user" thus deleting any changes done to it by other scripts. [14:01] Is this on purpose? It's breaking ssh-agent for me, but I suspect it probably breaks other things for other people. [14:02] I use ssh-agent and not gnome-keyring daemon, it used to start because it gets added through 90x11-common_ssh-agent, but it doesn't start anymore now that 99upstart deletes it from the STARTUP variable. [14:03] Laney, mpt, kenvandine, larsu, charles: settings meeting? [14:03] seb128: I'll join in a couple of minutes [14:04] marga, xnox was working on the ssh agent issues I think [14:04] check with him directly maybe [14:04] he's probably the best to ask about that [14:04] I saw some changes related to gnome-keyring [14:04] i didn't really have anything to discuss, cramming to finish something up before leaving for malta [14:04] kenvandine, ok [14:04] marga: ssh-agent has a native upstart session job. [14:04] xnox, you mean the openssh-client package? [14:04] marga: thus ssh-agent should be working correctly under upstart managed desktop user session. [14:05] marga: correct shipped in the openssh-client package. [14:06] It's not working for me. It's possible that it's something related to local customizations. I'll investigate further. [14:06] larsu, don't bother [14:06] marga: well, read /usr/share/upstart/sessions/ssh-agent.conf especially pre-start script. [14:07] xnox, ok, thanks [14:07] marga: as there are a number of conditions that need to be satisfied for ssh-agent job to run on start-up. [14:07] marga: or, in the logged in session $ initctl --user status ssh-agent, should say start/running. [14:07] if not, something is not working correctly. [14:08] xnox, I'm missing the upstart file [14:08] I guess that's the root cause of the problem :) [14:09] marga: =))))) you can disable upstart managing the desktop session by commenting out your desktop session from /etc/upstart-xsessions [14:09] xnox, what would I lose if I did that? [14:09] marga: and then it should all be "normal xinit/gnome-session" with no upstart managing the user session. [14:10] marga: we have converted _all_ flavours to use upstart sessions, and some packages started to assume that upstart is available in the desktop session. [14:10] marga: and thus some things may be missing dbus-activation files and/or xdg-autostart files. In that case those services will not be running. [14:10] ok. Well, I'll make sure that the upstart file is where it should be, then. [14:10] marga: but i would consider that a serious / sru bug. As the intention was that in Trusty, one should be able to run a non-upstart-managed desktop session by default. [14:11] marga: yeap. if something still doesn't work properly, feel free to ping me =) [14:11] xnox, thanks! :) [14:15] larsu, sorry I was discussing with some QA guys, the "don't bother" is because nobody was there, so no point [14:16] we just had some QA guys and Ken who joined later [14:17] okay === mhr3_ is now known as mhr3 === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:22] Laney: I guess you saw it, but just in case: http://debarshiray.wordpress.com/2014/05/15/transparent-terminals-back-in-fedora/ [15:22] not sure if it's linked to your work as well :) [15:23] didrocks: no, but as it happens I am working on that patch atm ;) [15:23] to add the theme stuff back for us === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch [15:25] yeah :) [15:26] rishi wrote all of it afaik, then larsu passed it on to me === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [16:56] [D [17:08] hrm [17:08] you don't take bugs in libreoffice? 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