| Netsnipe | hi everyone. anyone seen utlemming or anyone else responsible for the AWS AMIs around? | 00:20 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 05:01 |
| pitti | xnox: ack, thanks; we have that in Steve's bug reply as a reminder | 05:02 |
| dholbach | good morning | 06:54 |
| didrocks | morning dholbach :) | 06:59 |
| dholbach | salut didrocks | 06:59 |
| pitti | RAOF: oh dear, I was blaming the new libgphoto2 all along, but it seems the @DEV stuff broke umockdev recording | 07:31 |
| pitti | RAOF: and on top of that, @DEV isn't actually written; I'm looking at both | 07:31 |
| RAOF | pitti: Huh, for what? I rather thought I'd *used* that feature! | 07:32 |
| pitti | RAOF: just FYI in case you try to actually use that with Mir | 07:32 |
| RAOF | I, um, *have* used that in Mir. | 07:32 |
| pitti | RAOF: if you record several commands (or more generally, open/close cycles of the device), only the last is kept | 07:32 |
| pitti | instead of all of them | 07:32 |
| RAOF | Oh. I don't do that. | 07:32 |
| RAOF | So wouldn't have noticed. | 07:33 |
| pitti | RAOF: but the way how ioctl records work the @DEV was never written to them | 07:33 |
| pitti | RAOF: oh, unless your program never called close() but you just ^Ced it | 07:33 |
| RAOF | Ding! | 07:33 |
| pitti | which would be with evtest | 07:33 |
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| pitti | infinity: nice job on bug 1319122! | 07:47 |
| ubottu | bug 1319122 in tzdata (Ubuntu Trusty) "tzdata needs expedited SRU for Egypt DST change on May 15" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1319122 | 07:47 |
| pitti | RAOF: hm, still a miracle how it worked with ^C though, as it essentially does the same thing as with close() | 07:53 |
| RAOF | pitti: It's also possible that I hand-edited in the @DEV line because I was umockdev-recording with the system-wide binary which didn't yet have the patches. | 08:10 |
| pitti | RAOF: ah, that sounds plausible then | 08:11 |
| pitti | RAOF: anyway, fixed now, releasing 0.8.2 | 08:11 |
| infinity | pitti: Yeah, I don't have high hopes that many computers actually got updated in time, but at least we did our best in Debian/Ubuntu. | 08:13 |
| pitti | infinity: one thing that's weird is that utopic has the trusty SRU; we can't sync from Debian? | 08:14 |
| infinity | pitti: Look again. | 08:14 |
| infinity | pitti: I just copied the trusty SRU over as a stopgap while LP caught up with dinstall. They're in sync now. | 08:14 |
| pitti | ah :) | 08:14 |
| pitti | thanks | 08:14 |
| infinity | pitti: It was just a complete fluke that an Egyptian user popped into #debian-glibc to tell us about it, mind you. I might suggest that Paul Eggert set up an emergency broadcast list for these rare times when governments go crazy with 0 notice. :P | 08:16 |
| pitti | I thought there was some tz-announce@ thingy | 08:17 |
| infinity | If there is, no one seems to be on it. | 08:17 |
| infinity | There sure is... | 08:17 |
| infinity | Oh, but that's just his release announces. | 08:18 |
| infinity | I should subscribe to that anyway. | 08:18 |
| infinity | But I meant something even lower traffic and higher visibility for "OMG THIS COUNTRY IS CRAAAAZY, UPDATE NOW!" | 08:18 |
| pitti | so what was Argentina back then is now Egypt :) | 08:19 |
| infinity | In this case, though, thanks to said user, I think we got all the updates out within hours of Paul's release. | 08:19 |
| infinity | There, subscribed to tz-announce, at least. | 08:20 |
| seb128 | hum | 08:39 |
| seb128 | what's going on with e.u.c? | 08:39 |
| seb128 | https://errors.ubuntu.com/?period=day looks bugg | 08:40 |
| seb128 | ev, bdmurray: ^ do you know if there is a known issue? | 08:40 |
| seb128 | +y | 08:40 |
| ev | seb128, bdmurray: that's troubling. Brian, do we have any recent changes to production that could've caused this? I had a look through RT and the daisy and errors trunks, but I don't see anything that landed in the past day or two. | 08:43 |
| seb128 | ev, I guess Brian is not going to be up before some hours | 08:44 |
| ev | yeah | 08:44 |
| ev | on first blush it looked like it was only showing package installation crashes, but there's at least one regular crash in there | 08:44 |
| seb128 | well, default view is the packages you are subscribed to no? | 08:45 |
| seb128 | it gives me an empty list here | 08:46 |
| seb128 | (well, now it's stucked on "Loading...") | 08:46 |
| seb128 | but like if I do trusty reports on 1 day | 08:47 |
| seb128 | I get "no data to display" | 08:47 |
| seb128 | https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2014.04&period=day | 08:47 |
| ev | https://graphite.engineering.canonical.com/dashboard/#15may-crashes suggests that we are at least capturing the data | 08:57 |
| seb128 | ev, do you want me to file a report about the issue? against what tracker/component? | 09:08 |
| ev | seb128: please, against lp:errors | 09:13 |
| ev | I *think* (/hope) at this point that the problem is in the UI layer, not in our data collection | 09:14 |
| seb128 | ev, https://bugs.launchpad.net/errors/+bug/1319730 | 09:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1319730 in Errors "the current reports are (mostly) empty" [Undecided,New] | 09:24 |
| ubilli8 | please how do i build a software on ubuntu | 09:32 |
| brendand | ubilli8, depends | 09:36 |
| ev | seb128: thanks! ^ bdmurray would you mind digging at that when you get a chance? It doesn't appear like we're dropping data on the floor in daisy, but please do confirm in case of I've missed something obvious :) | 09:36 |
| brendand | ubilli8, which software | 09:36 |
| seb128 | ev, bdmurray: thanks for looking at it ;-) | 09:37 |
| ubilli8 | i want to develop LAMP just like WAMP for windows but i want to know how the ubuntu architecture works to do that and what language to use to write the language | 09:40 |
| ubilli8 | @<brendand> | 09:43 |
| udevbot | Error: "<brendand>" is not a valid command. | 09:43 |
| brendand | ubilli8, 'LAMP' is not one piece of software | 09:44 |
| ubilli8 | yeah something like wamp that holds all the software during installation and manages it. just like wamp | 09:45 |
| infinity | ubilli8: Are you referring to http://www.wampserver.com ? | 09:46 |
| brendand | ubilli8, so some sort of gui for managing the installation? | 09:47 |
| ubilli8 | yes do you think it is possible...??? | 09:48 |
| infinity | ubilli8: Anyhow, I'll throw you a bone. To replicate that set of packages installed, you want "apt-get install lamp-server^" and "apt-get install phpmyadmin", but this is also a question for #ubuntu, not #ubuntu-devel, this isn't a channel for people who develop using Ubuntu, but for people who develop Ubuntu itself. | 09:48 |
| ogra_ | xnox, why would you not ship the cmake tools sdk-libs-dev ? cmake itself is shipped there too ... sounds kind of logical to me to ship the needed tools for development in there as well | 09:50 |
| ogra_ | (i would have asked you in #ubuntu-touch ... but you seem to not be there) | 09:50 |
| xnox | ogra_: hm? i explicitly said that they should be shipped in sdk-libs-dev. | 09:51 |
| * ogra_ re-reads the mail | 09:51 | |
| xnox | ogra_: but since it's a metapackage -> that means in one of the seeded depedencies. | 09:51 |
| xnox | ogra_: metapackages should be empty. | 09:51 |
| xnox | ogra_: especially those generated from seeds/germinate. | 09:52 |
| ogra_ | xnox, heh, lol, ignore me ... you said exactly what i meant | 09:52 |
| ogra_ | i totally misread | 09:52 |
| zyga | what is the *correct* way to disable all i18n aspects? so far I'm using LANG= LANGUAGE= LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 but I have no real reference that would say this is correct and minimal, setlocale(3) is not really helping much | 10:34 |
| zyga | from what I see, setting LANG=C is insufficient, I get a mixture of translated/localized text, equally insufficient is LC_ALL | 10:35 |
| zyga | is there a document that says how l10n is supposed to be initialized and specifically, disabled | 10:35 |
| cjwatson | LC_ALL=C | 10:36 |
| cjwatson | or LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 if what you actually mean is "disable locale-specific things but let me have UTF-8 character encoding" | 10:37 |
| cjwatson | (note, C.UTF-8 is a bit system-specific, but it's always there on Debian and descendants) | 10:37 |
| cjwatson | actually, sorry, you must also unset LANGUAGE because LC_ALL doesn't imply that | 10:37 |
| zyga | cjwatson: yeah, pure LC_ALL is irrelevant it seems | 10:38 |
| cjwatson | but LC_ALL overrides LANG and all of LC_* so you don't need to deal with those separately | 10:38 |
| cjwatson | LC_ALL is NOT irrelevant | 10:38 |
| zyga | http://paste.ubuntu.com/7467208/ | 10:38 |
| cjwatson | it's just not quite sufficient | 10:38 |
| zyga | LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 pactl list | 10:38 |
| cjwatson | LANGUAGE= LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 will be sufficient though | 10:38 |
| zyga | right, it doesn't do much effectively though (I get it that it gets respected though I don't understand why it's not overriding LC_MESSAGES | 10:38 |
| cjwatson | no, it just doesn't do one specific thing | 10:38 |
| zyga | cjwatson: which thing is that? | 10:38 |
| zyga | cjwatson: is LANGUAGE documented anywhere? | 10:39 |
| cjwatson | info libc | 10:39 |
| cjwatson | LANGUAGE overrides LC_ALL IIRC just for the purpose of the message translation category | 10:39 |
| zyga | cjwatson: thanks | 10:40 |
| cjwatson | but that's just for gettext; for all other locale categories the master variable is LC_ALL | 10:40 |
| zyga | cjwatson: reading the relevant part of the info page | 10:41 |
| cjwatson | so for instance collation order for sorting things, case conversions, numeric/monetary/time presentation, etc. | 10:42 |
| zyga | cjwatson: hmm, I think there's a bug though still | 10:42 |
| zyga | cjwatson: look at gettext(3) | 10:42 |
| zyga | cjwatson: LANGUAGE is apparently ignored if locale is "C" but apparently it doesn't know about C.UTF-8 which is for all intents and purpuses just better "C" | 10:42 |
| cjwatson | I expect that would be worth fixing in gettext(3), yes | 10:43 |
| cjwatson | I suggest filing a bug, I don't work on this stuff :) | 10:43 |
| * zyga just verified that C is special cased and C.UTF-8 isn't | 10:43 | |
| zyga | cjwatson: yeah, I'll file a bug on that | 10:43 |
| zyga | cjwatson: thanks for showing me info libc :) | 10:43 |
| cjwatson | yw | 10:44 |
| zyga | ara: hey, your office space fixed their internet filters :) | 10:45 |
| ara | zyga, no, I just moved back home :D | 10:46 |
| infinity | zyga: Can you file a Debian bug against src:eglibc for the lack of special-casing of C.UTF-8 there? | 10:47 |
| zyga | infinity: my pleasure | 10:47 |
| infinity | zyga: Ta. | 10:47 |
| infinity | This is likely a missing piece I need to fix before I start enacting my "C.UTF-8 everywhere" plans. | 10:48 |
| hallyn | arges: yes, rsync the rootfs and also copy over the files under $lxcpath/$name, i.e. /var/lib/lxc/u1/config and if it exists .../fstab | 10:48 |
| zyga | infinity: :) | 10:49 |
| zyga | infinity: I could patch it, should be relatively simple | 10:49 |
| infinity | zyga: Yeah, I didn't assume it would be hard, but since you've already gone and found the relevant bit, a bug with a pointer would be awesome, so I don't duplicate the effort next week. ;) | 10:49 |
| * infinity wonders if maybe it's about time to try to push C.UTF-8 upstream for glibc 2.20, and puts that on his "talk to aurelien" list for when it's not 5am. | 10:50 | |
| mlankhorst | ok, uploading lts stack part 1 (all !drivers) | 10:51 |
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| zyga | gah, reportbug just ate my bug description | 10:54 |
| zyga | infinity: sent, I'll give you the number as soon as I get it back | 10:57 |
| infinity | Speaking of C.UTF-8, can anyone reproduce https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/70c1930688440b1818145db3346da61eb39a7ac8 ? | 11:00 |
| zyga | infinity: on 14.{04,10}? no | 11:02 |
| infinity | zyga: Either. | 11:03 |
| infinity | Seems to work fine for me at a python3.4 interactive prompt. No idea why it's crashing there. | 11:04 |
| * infinity shrugs. | 11:04 | |
| zyga | infinity: I've seen odd locale crashes but typically mid-upgrade or remotely | 11:05 |
| zyga | infinity: but software properties | 11:05 |
| zyga | wait, could that be add-apt-repository? | 11:05 |
| zyga | infinity: might be worth to see on a cloud image, those are usually locale-challenged | 11:07 |
| zyga | infinity: debian bug 748215 | 11:08 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 748215 in src:eglibc "gettext(3) should special case both C and C.UTF-8 wrt LANGUAGE lookup" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/748215 | 11:08 |
| infinity | zyga: Ta. | 11:09 |
| cjwatson | locale-challenged> they are, but C.UTF-8 is in libc-bin, it should be everywhere | 11:10 |
| zyga | cjwatson: true | 11:12 |
| zyga | cjwatson: does it need to be generated somehow though, or is it always available? | 11:12 |
| infinity | zyga: It's always available. | 11:13 |
| infinity | zyga: That's why that crash confuses the heck out of me. | 11:13 |
| zyga | infinity: yeah, I can understand that | 11:13 |
| infinity | (And why I can't reproduce it in a minimal test case in a barebones chroot...) | 11:13 |
| zyga | infinity: I have no idea why it might occurr | 11:13 |
| cjwatson | It *is* possible to remove it, but you have to ignore the "you're trying to remove an Essential package, you idiot" prompt | 11:13 |
| cjwatson | Maybe somebody did | 11:13 |
| zyga | cjwatson: ;-) | 11:13 |
| infinity | mvo worked around it by just trapping the error, but it shouldn't error in the first place. | 11:13 |
| infinity | cjwatson: A fair few someones... | 11:14 |
| zyga | infinity: the random instance I looked at had a freshly installed 14.04 (0 days old) | 11:14 |
| zyga | infinity: so I doubt they would remove those packages really | 11:14 |
| cjwatson | Unfortunately libc-bin isn't in Dependencies (since it's Essential) | 11:14 |
| infinity | Yeah. Oh well. Unless someone can reproduce it and tell me how, it'll be one of those things that just annoys me peripherally but I won't do anything about. | 11:15 |
| infinity | I doubt anyone would remove libc-bin, but I suppose I could see someone deleting the locale itself. | 11:15 |
| infinity | But still, that's a lot of crash reports for something as silly as that that I can't see many people doing. | 11:15 |
| cjwatson | "we don't need this bit" | 11:15 |
| cjwatson | yeah, as you say | 11:15 |
| mvo | right, I'm also quite puzzled by this fwiw | 11:16 |
| infinity | We do have a race in locale-gen that I intend to fix, which could actually cause this sort of issue in the middle of a libc6 upgrade, but since fresh installs see it, and I've not SRUed glibc yet, that theory's out the window. | 11:16 |
| infinity | Oh, and c.utf-8 is pre-generated in the package anyway. | 11:17 |
| infinity | So... I dunno. | 11:17 |
| infinity | I shall try to forget it, like so many bad relationships^wbugs passed. | 11:17 |
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| n4uah | is any one here? | 13:30 |
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| pitti | xnox: hm, the new sysvinit seems to have broken at least LXC, and that looks real (i. e. not just like a CI machinery quirk) | 13:57 |
| xnox | pitti: ouch, i've tested everything extensively. | 13:57 |
| xnox | pitti: how/what ? | 13:57 |
| pitti | Setting up lxc (1.0.3-0ubuntu3) ... | 13:58 |
| pitti | lxc start/running | 13:58 |
| pitti | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/lxc-instance not found. | 13:58 |
| pitti | http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/utopic-adt-lxc/22/ARCH=i386,label=adt/console | 13:58 |
| pitti | or https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/utopic-adt-lxc/22/ARCH=i386,label=adt/console for folks without VPN | 13:58 |
| xnox | pitti: | 14:00 |
| xnox | $ sudo initctl --system status lxc-instance | 14:00 |
| xnox | initctl: Unknown parameter: NAME | 14:00 |
| xnox | Usage: NAME=name of LXC instance | 14:00 |
| pitti | I have a /etc/init/lxc-instance.conf, but not /etc/init.d/lxc-instance | 14:00 |
| pitti | + && initctl status ${SERVICE} 2>/dev/null 1>/dev/null | 14:01 |
| pitti | oh, likely due to that? | 14:01 |
| pitti | xnox: right, you're ahead of me | 14:02 |
| pitti | so apparently status doesn't work for these "template" jobs | 14:02 |
| xnox | pitti: it think it's a bug in lxc postinst, it should not have "dh_installinit --name lxc-instance --no-start -p lxc" | 14:02 |
| xnox | pitti: as there is no way to invoke lxc-instance without an instance.... | 14:03 |
| xnox | pitti: verifying that now. | 14:03 |
| xnox | pitti: hm, that is kind of sad. But e.g. initctl show-config still lists lxc-instance. | 14:13 |
| pitti | xnox: you (or Debian, not sure) does this instead of a simple [ -e /etc/init/lxc-instance.conf ] to also catch overrides etc.? | 14:14 |
| xnox | pitti: yes. | 14:14 |
| xnox | pitti: and multiple configuration directories, as we will need in the future. | 14:14 |
| xnox | pitti: it's more strict, but more correct at the same time. And e.g. i'll be able to resurrect php upstart job. | 14:15 |
| pitti | xnox: so perhaps only check if "LC_ALL=C initctl status $job | grep -q Unknown"? | 14:15 |
| pitti | unfortunatley the exit status always seems to be 1 | 14:15 |
| pitti | i. e. both for the lxc-instance "template" situation and a real unknown job | 14:16 |
| xnox | (upstart job added in trusty, with syntax not supported by precise upstart. and at the moment invoke-rc.d tries to use upstart job, instead of the init-script whilst pid1 is still precise-upstart which has no clue about this new job with what it thinks is invalid syntax) | 14:16 |
| xnox | pitti: i'll check other template jobs, but for lxc it really should be doing --no-start in it's dh_installinit calls. | 14:17 |
| pitti | ah right, it doesn't | 14:17 |
| xnox | pitti: at least no pam-systemd should configure in the lxc container just fine, even if one does lxc-attach to it =) | 14:19 |
| xnox | pitti: will email people about it, once verified. | 14:19 |
| pitti | xnox: nice! | 14:19 |
| xnox | s/no/now/ | 14:19 |
| saiarcot895 | Hi, is it possible to disable building ddebs in sbuild? From PPA build logs, there is a line that seems to does this. (dh_strip debug symbol extraction: disabling for PPA build) | 14:20 |
| pitti | it can be enabled/disabled by PPA | 14:21 |
| pitti | saiarcot895: but that means it's already not happening, i. e. it shoudln't spit out ddebs | 14:21 |
| xnox | saiarcot895: or in packaging you can export a variable to make sure pkg binary mangler doesn't create ddebs. | 14:21 |
| saiarcot895 | pitti: The PPA isn't spitting out ddebs, but sbuild locally is spitting out ddebs. I'm trying to disable that | 14:21 |
| pitti | saiarcot895: ah; drop the pkg-create-dbgsym package from it then | 14:22 |
| bdmurray | pitti: could you have a look at bug 1318034? | 14:22 |
| ubottu | bug 1318034 in Daisy "indicator-sound crashes frequently fail to retrace" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1318034 | 14:22 |
| xnox | saiarcot895: you probably have binary pkg mangler installed. | 14:22 |
| xnox | saiarcot895: i have this in my ~?.sbuildrc | 14:22 |
| xnox | saiarcot895: $build_environment = { 'NO_PKG_MANGLE' => '1', 'DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS' => 'parallel=12', 'HOME' => '/build/' }; | 14:22 |
| pitti | bdmurray: yes, will do | 14:22 |
| xnox | saiarcot895: you want the NO_PKG_MANGLE => 1 option. | 14:22 |
| saiarcot895 | xnox: I'll try that | 14:23 |
| pitti | that should work too, yes | 14:23 |
| xnox | pitti: i uploaded fixed lxc, and i hope in time autopackagetest will migrate both. | 14:45 |
| pitti | xnox: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#sysvinit is looking good so far | 14:46 |
| pitti | xnox: and I'm glad this stuff is now actually useful, now that britney is fixed :) | 14:46 |
| xnox | pitti: looks like that's the only package affected so far. Well at least on my system, didn't check the $world. | 14:50 |
| pitti | xnox: so grep -r ^instance /etc/init/* are all potentially affected ones, right? | 14:51 |
| xnox | pitti: well & calling invoke-rc.d in their postinst. | 14:51 |
| xnox | pitti: for all those that i had on my machine, there are none that called invoke-rc.d. | 14:51 |
| xnox | pitti: well none, apart from the now fixed lxc-instance. | 14:52 |
| pitti | nice | 14:52 |
| xnox | stgraber: i did direct to archive upload of lxc, packaging change only. Not sure if it needs to be committed somewhere else as well. | 14:53 |
| pitti | I figure at least to Debian? | 15:00 |
| xnox | pitti: packaging appears to be a fork. and in debian --no-start is passed. | 15:01 |
| pitti | ah :) | 15:02 |
| cjwatson | mvo: Would you mind retargeting your click merges to lp:click/devel? I've just created that. | 15:14 |
| mvo | cjwatson: sure, no problem | 15:16 |
| barry | xnox: let's talk about py2 | 15:22 |
| xnox | barry: > #ubuntu-ci-eng | 15:22 |
| xnox | barry: oh, you are not there. I was chatting to ogra_ about it there already. | 15:23 |
| barry | xnox: i'm there now | 15:24 |
| pitti | xnox: http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/utopic-adt-lxc/23/ARCH=i386,label=adt/console crashed with something weird in apt-get update, retrying | 15:31 |
| pitti | xnox: but amd64 succeeded | 15:31 |
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| andrewrk | hey I'm trying to copy a package to my PPA and I'm getting "source contains expired files". what's the deal with that? | 17:53 |
| andrewrk | I went spelunking into the superceded section of old libav builds and found one that I want to put into my PPA for precise | 17:54 |
| andrewrk | and launchpad won't let me do it | 17:55 |
| andrewrk | hmm maybe I should go to #ubuntu-app-devel | 17:55 |
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| bdmurray | arges: are looking at the trusty SRU queue? | 19:08 |
| arges | bdmurray: had a few minutes between a test I was running. sorry if I steps on your toes a bit | 19:09 |
| bdmurray | arges: not at all, I was just gonna get started | 19:09 |
| arges | bdmurray: ok cool : ) | 19:09 |
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| stgraber | xnox: I'm used to pick it up when changing in the archive, that's fine | 19:45 |
| bdmurray | arges: bug 1316125 is fixed in trusty presumably? | 20:21 |
| ubottu | bug 1316125 in autofs5 (Ubuntu Saucy) "Autofs leak file descriptors when reloaded (-HUP) and daemon may stop working on high # of shares/reloads" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1316125 | 20:21 |
| arges | bdmurray: let me verify | 20:22 |
| bdmurray | arges: it doesn't look like it to me... | 20:23 |
| arges | bdmurray: yup il'l have tinoco fix that thanks | 20:28 |
| tinoco | yep, im on it | 20:29 |
| bdmurray | arges: okay, I've also added an autofs task since the closure looks at the source package name | 20:29 |
| arges | oh didn't realize it was targeted against the binary package | 20:29 |
| arges | bdmurray: thanks | 20:29 |
| bdmurray | I think there was some weird renaming of autofs / autofs5 | 20:30 |
| bdmurray | and if its not fixed in trusty then it isn't fixed in utopic since they are the same verison | 20:31 |
| tinoco | bdmurray: the same version was kept from saucy to utopic | 20:31 |
| tinoco | and this bug fix is based on a commit on 5.0.7 so all of them needs the fix | 20:32 |
| tinoco | im creating the diffs for them | 20:32 |
| tinoco | i'll attach to ua and lp, ok ? | 20:32 |
| Saviq | kirkland, hey, shift+f2 stopped working a day or two ago in my byobu under utopic (shift+f7 stopped working before that), both print ~ at that point, any idea where that might come from? | 20:50 |
| jtaylor | can one add new source packages to trusty? | 21:34 |
| Logan_ | through a backport | 21:36 |
| jtaylor | I mean into updates | 21:36 |
| jtaylor | so other srus can depend on it | 21:37 |
| Logan_ | does an important bug fix depend on a new source package? o_O | 21:37 |
| jtaylor | yes | 21:37 |
| Logan_ | go on | 21:37 |
| jtaylor | one could do it in an existing one but thats incredibly ugly | 21:37 |
| mterry | robert_ancell, when were you thinking of releasing the next lightdm revision? | 22:10 |
| robert_ancell | mterry, whenever, is there something you were blocking on? | 22:11 |
| mterry | robert_ancell, split greeter would appreciate that login1-race fix | 22:11 |
| robert_ancell | mkay | 22:11 |
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| robert_ancell | mterry, perhaps you could also look at https://code.launchpad.net/~christian-w/lightdm/qt-binding-keyboard-layouts/+merge/205356 | 22:14 |
| infinity | jtaylor: Yes, but it's rather ugly and needs some justification. | 22:15 |
| mterry | robert_ancell, looking | 22:16 |
| jtaylor | justification is I don't want to touch tcl ._. | 22:17 |
| xnox | jtaylor: try again =) what's wrong with tcl in trusty? we even have two, if i recall correctly | 22:18 |
| jtaylor | thats the problem | 22:18 |
| jtaylor | I want to add a new package using tcl 8.5 instead of 8.6 | 22:19 |
| jtaylor | to make the stuff we didn't transition work again | 22:19 |
| xnox | jtaylor: you don't have to build against both, you can use just one of them. and both should be in main. | 22:19 |
| jtaylor | so far I know porting is either non-trivial or impossible | 22:19 |
| jtaylor | xnox: doesn't work with libraries | 22:19 |
| jtaylor | one library uses 8.5 the other 8.6 | 22:20 |
| jtaylor | you can imagine that that will not end well | 22:20 |
| xnox | jtaylor: what's the incompatible set of packages you are talking about? | 22:20 |
| jtaylor | the blt and itcl3 rdepends | 22:20 |
| jtaylor | it seems itcl3 was incorporated into tcl 8.6 as itcl4/tclOOP | 22:20 |
| jtaylor | I have not found if you can even use itcl3 with 8.6 | 22:21 |
| jtaylor | trying it just crashes | 22:21 |
| xnox | jtaylor: so you are saying that skycat & tkdesk are borked? | 22:21 |
| jtaylor | yes | 22:21 |
| xnox | jtaylor: well one or the other way it needs to be fixed in utopic, and is probably worth an sru into trusty. | 22:21 |
| xnox | jtaylor: have you filed a bug yet? | 22:22 |
| jtaylor | I would do that by adding a blt8.5 | 22:22 |
| jtaylor | which is really easy | 22:22 |
| jtaylor | as its library is versioned | 22:22 |
| jtaylor | the question is can I do that in trusty too | 22:22 |
| xnox | jtaylor: you don't need to add a new source package though. you can just add a second binary package. | 22:23 |
| jtaylor | xnox: I know but thats not easy | 22:23 |
| xnox | jtaylor: or it would be best to resolve it by e.g. rebuilding itcl3 with 8.5 in trusty. but that needs testing. | 22:23 |
| jtaylor | itcl is 8.5 in trusty | 22:23 |
| jtaylor | blt would need rebuild against 8.5 | 22:24 |
| xnox | well then blt should be to. | 22:24 |
| xnox | right, that. | 22:24 |
| jtaylor | which is problematic as its rdepends use 8.6 | 22:24 |
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| jtaylor | its safer to add a new package | 22:24 |
| xnox | given that blt's rdependes is relatively short, we will probably need to rebuild those as well. | 22:24 |
| jtaylor | reverting a transition seems more ugly than adding a new source | 22:24 |
| xnox | jtaylor: a new package doesn't solve the problem that you have binaries linked together with incompatible tcl's and only adds more cases to the depedency chart. | 22:25 |
| jtaylor | it helps at least for skycat | 22:25 |
| xnox | well in utopic we really should port itcl3 to 8.6 | 22:25 |
| xnox | and in the best interest of everyone cherrypick that into trusty..... | 22:26 |
| xnox | jtaylor: please open a bug report against blt, itcl3, skycat & tkdesk. | 22:26 |
| xnox | jtaylor: we'll need to track this, whichever way this is going to be solved. | 22:26 |
| jtaylor | I don't know how to port it | 22:29 |
| jtaylor | I can't even get a reasonable backtrace of the crash ._. | 22:29 |
| xnox | jtaylor: that's ok, others know how to port things, but please open the bug report describing the issues you are seeing. | 22:30 |
| TheMuso | mdeslaur: Re bug 1319970, I am happy to take care of this if you like. I have commit access to the git repo for speech-dispatcher in Debian, and I track Ubuntu's changes there too. | 23:00 |
| ubottu | bug 1319970 in speech-dispatcher (Ubuntu Utopic) "speed-dispatcher user needs a restricted shell (/usr/sbin/nologin or /bin/false) instead of /bin/sh." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1319970 | 23:00 |
| saiarcot895 | When building Qt 4.8.5 on Trusty, there's a message printed out about using the -no-exceptions flag (http://paste.ubuntu.com/7470347/). Might this be beneficial? | 23:00 |
| robert_ancell | mterry, 1.11.2 uploaded | 23:07 |
| * mterry high fives robert_ancell | 23:08 | |
| mterry | thanks | 23:08 |
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| mdeslaur | TheMuso: sure! that would be great, thanks! | 23:30 |
| TheMuso | mdeslaur: np, I'll assign the bug to myself then. | 23:41 |
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