[06:21] hello all [06:39] hey MooDoo [06:40] fell asleep at genting:(( [06:43] :*( [06:44] went for a smoke [06:44] then came back and yea fell asleep [06:45] paying 8.60 a pac [06:52] I've slept really poorly for the past few weeks so pardon my rant [06:52] we allmdo [06:52] :D [06:52] but why can't I easily find a multivitamin that doesn't have vitamin K in it? Don't people understand that your body in general makes it itself? GGGGGRRRRRRR [06:53] It's my kids keeping me awake :S [06:54] mapp: 8 quid a pack of smokes? wow is that how much it is nowadats? [06:54] and theres maps [06:54] yea [06:54] wow [06:55] 8.50 for 20 malboros [07:00] i remember when it was like4quid a pack [07:04] inflation [07:05] yep [07:05] also, trying to get people to quit for financial reasons [07:05] i paid like 8euros in holland [07:06] glad I don't smoke, and I only drink when people buy me beer for fixing their computer :) [07:06] MartijnVdS once a smoker always a smoker [07:07] MooDoo half wish i didnt smoke [07:07] mapp: not my dad [07:07] mapp: give up? [07:07] easier said that done i know [07:07] 10quid/day [07:07] My dad decided one day that he'd quit smoking.. hasn't smoked since [07:07] ripoff [07:08] nice [07:08] :) [07:09] my dad quit smoking 30years back [07:10] just wish we couldve stopped my mum [07:12] but thats life [07:36] hu [07:37] Dixons and Carphone Warehouse announce £3.8bn merger [07:37] I'm not surprised [07:37] though I am still surprised that dixons continues to call itself curry's digital [07:37] the dixons name holds more weight, imo [07:39] also, carphone warehouse needs to change its name [07:39] dixons mobile, maybe? [07:41] week or so ago that was... dixons carphone it's going to be called [07:41] Morning [07:42] morning [07:42] Anyone know how to disable the keyboard indicator gubbins? (Keeps starting on login and keeps getting the wrong keyboard) [07:42] MooDoo: really? that sucks [07:44] SuperMatt: yes [07:51] nie [07:55] Good morning all; happy Chocolate Chip Day! :-D [07:55] souf london [07:55] is where its at eh [07:55] :D [07:59] * SuperMatt highfives mapp [08:00] although I'm coming at your right now from west london [08:00] stupid commute [08:04] * mapp highfives SuperMatt [08:04] west london [08:04] pffffft [08:04] well, it's where my super awesome job is [08:04] south london for life [08:04] :P [08:05] weeeeellll... when you're working for rackspace, you just deal with west london [08:05] you kow e&c? [08:05] Know it? I practically live a 5 minute bus ride from it! [08:05] thats where its all about [08:05] yea right [08:05] I'm down by Burgess Park [08:06] elephant and castle i mean btw [08:07] guess no [08:09] i live near that mess that is tbe strata [08:10] oh, fun [08:11] not really but thats life [08:11] you near there SuperMatt? [08:14] mapp: like I said, down by burgess park, look it up :) [08:20] i shall [08:20] ) [08:20] :) [08:21] oh [08:21] so youre near me [08:21] :D [08:22] wh00p [08:22] e&c is the best [08:22] :) [08:28] im just off gaunt street [08:29] like 2mins from there [08:30] ah, cool [08:31] near mistry of sound, I see [08:31] yea [08:31] That is some place I would rather never go ;) [08:31] hahahahaha [08:31] mos is a joke [08:32] ive only been 3x [08:32] want one - http://aerofex.com/ [08:32] I've never been [08:32] but its pretencious [08:32] u know fabric? [08:33] love it there [08:33] used to love turnmills [08:33] aka gurnmills [08:35] nope, I'm not in to clubs [08:35] never was, but I'm too old for that now anyway [08:36] oh no... [08:37] im too old too;p [08:37] fabric is ace [08:37] in faringdon [08:45] morning [08:46] morning bashrc [08:48] MooDoo: you want the moon on a stick [08:49] MooDoo: you do want an oragnce box though don't you :) [09:08] davmor2: I so want an orange box [09:08] although have been looking into openstack swift :) [09:09] morning boys and girls. [09:09] davmor2: can you get me one? [09:09] davmor2: ;) [09:12] I kinda want to see someone playing tf2 on the orange box. just because. [09:27] hurrr]# [09:27] it shold at least come with the steam dedicated server binaries installed ;) [09:27] man, my typing sucks right now [09:36] I'd love an Orange Box [09:36] Have a raffle! [09:44] Where can i find where java, "Andoid ADT" settings saved? Everytime i reinstall java and/or Android ADT some setting are still there. I removed everything whith "android" incl. ".android" ".java" all eclips... etc. I reboot but stull all settings are stil there. Oh i removed all java using purge. Help [09:46] Wobbo: ~/.config ? [09:47] delete it? [09:47] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jolla-Sim-Free-Smartphone-16GB/dp/B00HJA7A3Y/ [09:47] Wobbo: no, look in there [09:47] Wobbo: it should contain all configuration for your user account [09:50] morning folks [09:51] moeninf dwatkins [09:54] I can not find anything there, nothing like "java", "android" or "ADT". Only "openoffice". [09:55] Wobbo: all Android stuff is in ~/.android for me -- maybe check /root/.android if you started adb as root? [09:55] ah.. ADT is the Eclipse plugin. Check in Eclipse plugin directories. [10:22] Myrtti, That Sailfish phone is cool, but pricey compared to a 16GB Nexus series phone [10:28] Hi all [10:46] awilkins: yup [10:47] That Chinese superduperphone also seems an attractive buy even at the 64GB mark [11:05] grr [11:05] someone invent a bee / fly flicking device [11:05] so that I can push them out of the window without having to get up [11:06] these are great fun :) http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003GU23EW [11:07] why not invent a miniture UAV for the purpose, in house/room usage, :) [11:07] with a huge james bond laser on it, to buzz the bugs. [11:08] then you'd have to out-fly a fly, rather than just applying disproportionate force [11:08] no, it flies itself, detects the flies and kills them, without user intervention. [11:08] I don't want killing :( [11:11] No need for lasers [11:11] Just have a turbine intake that sucks them into a jar [11:12] Then it flies outside and releases them [11:12] Or mulches them into a biogas digester to power itself [11:12] Like the slug-killing robot that digested the slugs in a fuel cell [11:13] that would work, [11:13] just stop dusting. spiders will take care of the rest :) [11:14] Yeah, I just leave spiders alone because they don't generally annoy me [11:14] Except the one that lives under the fireplace [11:14] Who is big and brown and scuttles. Fast. [11:14] I've tried to draw a truce - I chase them out the bedroom, but let them have behind the TV [11:15] it seems to work okay for Israel, so why not [11:27] Morning all you funky people [11:28] morning davmor2 :) how are you this fine day? [11:30] davmor2: careful... you honestly think that we are funky? that anyone here except funkyHat is funky? :D [11:31] * jussi hugs davmor2 [11:32] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdV-yhsVdCw [11:33] Good morning peeps :) [11:33] morning bigcalm [11:34] MooDoo: I'm feeling pretty good today to be honest, Back is killing too much standing at the funeral yesterday but today pretty happy [11:35] 'lo all :) [11:42] davmor2: good to hear it mate. You'll feel even better when you get me one of the orange boxes :D === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [11:43] MooDoo: popey was ordering multiple ones yesterday I'm sure you can bung you one :) [11:43] hmm? [11:43] I was ordering orange leather backs for my nexus 4 ☻ [11:43] somewhat cheaper [11:43] MooDoo: there is an article on building your own minus the pretty orange case [11:44] yeah [11:44] popey: Yeah yeah yeah ;) You say that now people might believe you were buying them :D [11:44] popey, Does that imply dismantling the case and swapping the back out? [11:45] no, stick on back, hairdryer to bond [11:45] popey, Intruiging [11:45] popey, Most of the reason I have a bumper case on my N4 is because the plastic back means it slips off smooth surfaces and gets dinged [11:45] s/plastic/glass/ [11:46] http://curebit.com/x/YsY9UF is what I bought [11:46] awilkins: exactly why I bought ^^ that [11:46] and apparently it even can charge through that using the induction charger [11:46] If it didn't slip I could take the case off and enjoy it's slick slimness more [11:46] ditto [11:46] i only have a case on my two nexus 4's because I'm scared of dinging them [11:50] Also thought about doing the CPU heatsink mod [11:50] But loathe to take it to bits [11:53] popey: oh I thought it was cause it cost you money to de-ding them so you bought the case to keep them de-dinged [11:54] same thing [11:55] I got some scrapping paper from the garden centre on the weekend, so now I've got almost unlimited amount of pretty cases because I can put the scrapping paper into my Ringke Fusion [11:56] Hobbycraft had some nice scrapping paper ... let me find a link [11:57] http://www.hobbycraft.co.uk/first-edition-man-made-premium-paper-pad-12-x-12-assorted/590136-1000 [11:57] although they do have 6x6 too [11:57] http://www.hobbycraft.co.uk/first-edition-man-made-premium-paper-pad-6-x-6-assorted/590137-1000 === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:55] anyone use chromecast? just got myself one today [13:04] several [13:04] two in UK, two in Finland [13:04] they're brilliant [13:04] good thanks Myrtti [13:05] the only thing that there's to complain is that depending on what you connect them to they hijack the device [13:05] ie. if we'd hook it to our AVR, it would automatically start with Chromecast on rather than what was last used [13:07] oh it uses "Control for HDMI" or CEC [13:07] * awilkins has only one device with an HDMI port and that isn't getting Chromcasted [13:08] disable that on the other devices (and use a Logitech Harmony to get everything on/off in the right order) [13:08] MartijnVdS: the remote the AVR came with is better than Harmony :-| [13:08] unpossible [13:10] I've tried CEC (with the auto on/off), but that doesn't work for me [13:10] Turning on the receiver/amplifier turned on the TV.. even if I just wanted to play a CD [13:10] turning off the TV also turned off the amp [13:13] I wish I weren't so tired, I might even understand what you're saying [13:15] Myrtti: with CEC on: turn on amp -> TV turns on (even if I want the amp for CDs) [13:15] Myrtti: without CEC on: turn on amp -> only amp turns on [13:15] * Myrtti blinks slowly [13:16] Myrtti: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Electronics_Control#CEC [13:16] bräbläbläblbäää [13:17] * Myrtti bookmaksr for later [13:20] Nearest experience I've had is the wire in the SCART connector that changes the channel when you turn on the DVD player... [13:26] awilkins: yes.. and it bothered me back then too :) [13:28] DO DO DO, come on and do the conga [13:28] Sorry [13:29] Friday is *tomorrow*, awilkins :P [13:29] My shiny new big nerdy joystick gets delivered tomorrow [13:30] I can pew pew some spaceships [13:30] awilkins: in what game? [13:31] Well, I'm looking forward to both Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous [13:31] Can play the single player build of Elite : D a bit [13:31] Multiplayer beta of Star Citizen is supposed to be out next week [13:31] Elite D multiplayer beta out end of month [13:32] :D awilkins [13:32] Until then I'm tempted to just get both i-War games on GOG for ten bucks and play the heck out of them... again. [13:32] Or my X-Wing / Tie Fighter collectors editions [13:33] Or Freescape 2 or basically anything involving space combat pew-pewing [13:33] awilkins: BSG:Diaspora [13:34] TwistedLucidity, Is that a Freespace total conversion? [13:34] Aha, yes it is [13:35] It's short, but good fun and would be great on a decent games rig [13:35] Also sounds good fun [13:35] My rig can probably do Freespace 2 engine Great Justice [13:36] Helps to like the BSG reboot (which ended at season 4....there was no season 5. It never happened!) [13:36] Just like Star Was 1-3 do not exist.... [13:38] awilkins: Planetary Annihilation is £20 on the humble bundle store today [13:38] the latest bundle looks pretty neat, too [13:40] dwatkins: Does it have Linux support? [13:41] 2 out of 3 it seems [13:42] TwistedLucidity: yep - http://store.steampowered.com/app/233250/ [13:42] dwatkins: Yeah, I initially assumed that because I couldn't see a penguin it was Windows-only. [13:42] And sorry, I was talking about the Humble Bundle [13:43] ah sorry, context confusion [13:58] morning [14:08] howdy diddledan_ === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:39] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tGievXbsmVw [14:39] gotta love weebl [16:01] random. someone just came up to me at work with an ubuntu iso on a usb stick, and asked if I'd ever heard of it & could figure out how to boot it [16:03] "Sounds like TERRORIST software to me." [16:03] "You ain't no TERRORIST, are you, pal?" [16:04] eh. he's from the north. I try not to make that joke because I don't want to know the answer [16:05] shauno, you mean he "copied the iso to the usb thingy" rather than imaging the iso to the usb thingy? [16:05] I also wondered the same [16:06] yes. he put the iso on the usb stick. hence the question :) [16:06] I pointed him to unetbootin and told him I don't do PCs :) [16:06] I thought that hte definition was so broad that everyone is a terrorist now [16:06] I find a good way to make a bootable USB is to have a bootable USB to use the bootable USB program [16:06] awilkins, that's so meta [16:07] terrorising the interwebs with yer bootable USB [16:07] awilkins, catch 22 and all that jazz [16:07] Since our work laptops are so locked down we can't write to removable devices, this is in fact the only way to do it with work laptop [16:07] I like that the work laptop doesn't prevent you from booting random usbs tho [16:08] The disk is encrypted with something proprietary so you can't really interfere with it [16:08] oh :-( [16:08] Although I have accidentally blatted it's bootloader on occasion.... [16:08] \o/ [16:09] .... the installer now very carefully prompts you for which disk it puts the bootloader on as a result.. :-) [16:09] well he seems to be getting somewhere. he went quiet for 10 minutes, and came back with "what's the super key?" [16:10] hehe, love that linux renames the windows key [16:10] That's because the new builds splat the shortcut thing into your face until you press super [16:10] Which is a problem on my machine at home because it has an old-style Model M [16:11] Still not found out how to remap capslock to another super on Trusty [16:11] I'm just entertainined because I live on the internet. I don't get to observe 'noobs' in their natural habitat very often [16:11] My upgraded boxes still have the setting in place but my fresh install doesn't and GNOME in their infinite wisdom have removed the panel that sets it [16:11] I think that kind of attitude is rather dunderheaded, TBH [16:12] On Windows : the answer may be obscure, if the feature is supported, but there is a panel to set it [16:12] In GNOME : "What do you mean, it supports that feature, but they took out the GUI panel that lets you control it and I *might* be able to set it if I install this other thing....?" [16:13] can you get ubuntu keys for model M's? [16:13] bashrc, It has no keyswitch for it [16:14] to replace the windoze keycap [16:15] http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=24622.0 [16:15] I've seen custom super keycaps but I don't know about for Model Ms [16:16] Don't know if the Unicomp ones even support removable caps [16:16] yes they do [16:21] I didn't think the model M had a windows key? [16:22] Old ones don't [16:22] the originals wouldn't have, but they're still made by Unicomp [16:22] Unicomp make "new" ones [16:22] with windows keys [16:22] They use buckling-spring switches liek the old ones [16:23] But are not as heavy, have USB plugs, etc [16:23] ah, gotcha [16:23] I have one made in Scotland. From girders. [16:23] I don't think there's much difference in weight. They still have the metal backplate [16:24] Still beat-your-boss-to-death and keep-on-coding capable? [16:24] I use a Cherry at work [16:24] It's marginally quieter [16:24] Still has clickity switches though [16:25] People generally know I'm on a conference call from home when they hear the sound of something like an M60 in the background [16:25] terrorist target practice? [16:26] Vim [16:26] So, yeah. [16:26] :) [16:28] I gotta admit I never got the attraction there. not my cuppa tea [16:29] Vim or model Ms? [16:30] * awilkins is intensely fond of both [16:30] * bashrc is an Emacs user [16:31] Emacs is of course the editor of people who like running one operating system inside another. And I don't mean in a VM. [16:31] I can do drive-by use of vim but haven't scratched the surface of it's capability [16:31] I tend to stick to nano [16:31] or a gui [16:31] I feel like that regardless of how much I use Vim but nano irks me [16:32] I have an irrational hatred of nano :/ [16:32] And I tend to prefer GUI editors that have a Vim-ish keybinding [16:32] Like Komodo Edit. Or Eclipse with a Vim plugin. [16:32] org-mode is hard to beat [16:32] Yeah, I like the sound of it [16:33] I think I even installed Emacs to try it [16:33] I can't believe the hurd guys still haven't finished emacs' kernel yet [16:33] And tried to find a Vim plugin for it [16:34] I think there is a vim mode for Emacs. have never used it though [16:34] generally if you can htink of it then there's a mode for it [16:35] Yup. You don't see people writing Emacs mode for other editors, but you do see Vim ones :P [16:35] I had an icq client than ran in emacs, way back in the dark ages [16:35] Probably because there is no Emacs mode, it's all *you* mode in Emacs [16:35] http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/VimMode [16:35] I tried to use Microemacs when I had an Amiga. It made my brain hurt. [16:36] hah, I still use memacs. the trick is to ignore that it's trying to be emacs, and just mouse the menu [16:36] I think Linus used microEmacs for a long time [16:36] Vim makes my brain hurt also. But not my fingers. === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [16:38] Linus : "emacs .. is the tool of the devil" [16:38] (quote lacking a little context...) [16:38] :) [16:38] He's saying that Full Fat Emacs is the tool of the devil, but he uses a shiny version of microemacs that has UTF-8 support so that's OK [16:39] http://git.kernel.org/cgit/editors/uemacs/uemacs.git [16:40] Oh wow... Vim... runs on Chrome : https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/vim/dhhoacdlegcbdglbfnhgnlchpkdlofkb [16:40] Ah, but no storage and no running external tools [16:40] So basically almost pointless [16:42] wait. you can run emacs-mode from within vim-mode from within Emacs? [16:42] Is there an emacs-mode for Vim? [16:42] I winder if that also supports vim-mode [16:42] interesting - I never even thought of running vim on the amiga, but apparently it exists [16:43] Yup [16:43] Because it's so nice and light you can run it on old antiquated buckets [16:43] buckets?! [16:43] or dead badgers [16:43] Amiga only got MicroEMACS though (was included with machine) [16:44] I had an Amiga 500 [16:44] It got to the point where it would only work if you directed a hairdryer at a particular spot on the circuit board [16:44] my 1200 is sat at home paused half way through a game. sometimes I wish it made noise so I'd remember to turn it off [16:45] you probably didn't recite the correct incantation [16:45] That was one thing about the computers of yesteryear... no thermal problems [16:45] That Ubuntu Orange Box thing is all passive cooling apart from one case fan [16:45] Might try and get my boss to shell out for one [16:45] I have no thermal problems with the Cubieboard. It runs almost cold [16:46] The problem is then once we've created awesome cloudiness is getting it deployed to our server infrastructure [16:46] Because our IT department would look at a Linux VM and go "Nuh?" [16:49] we have the opposite problem atm. someone keeps getting excited about AWS, and we're struggling to stop them from doing something silly [16:49] airraid warning system? [16:50] amazon's cloud wotsit [16:50] oh [16:51] surely the amazon cloud is only for businesses who want to have all of their data exfiltrated [16:53] * bashrc noticed the "economic" section of No Place to Hide [16:55] https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solar-roadways [16:56] * diddledan_ wanders off to find chocolate [16:58] heard of that idea before. It sounds good [16:58] Yeah, if only they could produce costings [16:58] But, iterative product design [16:59] I paid £2700 to repave my drive [16:59] If it cost £5000 to repave my drive with those solar hextiles, I'd do it in a heartbeat. [16:59] the surface area of all roads and pavements must be massive [17:01] if a tile lasted for a decade then it would probably pay for itself in electricity [17:10] unless you live in ireland. then you'd just be day yoke with the blue driveway. [17:10] *dat [18:56] jussi: ⢁D [19:12] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOd3lwluQIw [20:33] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3ag8kdpcqyu7upj/AADDinSwK1S6_i33drXdJl5Ca [20:33] some snaps of the fine weather at a couple of beaches today :) [20:36] looks good! [20:37] * diddledan_ zeroes in on the doggypics [20:37] :D [20:38] the forecast keeps saying it's only 15, but i'm sure it's higher [20:38] 'cause it's already at that my-forehead-is-caked-in-sweat from cycling stage [20:41] yay i got my new CD that's not scratched this time [20:41] \o/ [20:41] let's see how ripping fares this time [20:41] still need to send the old'un back D: [20:42] heh, i just zero'd the 2TB WD that was in my old array, that failed [20:43] https://www.dropbox.com/s/te1n97adzd5iupo/afterzero.png [20:43] not as good as 2 million but definitely fubar \o/ === Krenair_ is now known as Krenair