[00:14] <cubed_root> someone in here the other day mentioned cinnamon desktop isn't ready yet for ubuntu 14, but if i run the apt-get-repository ppa:gwendal-lebihan-dev... commands the compatibility will be confirmed w/out breaking anything?
[00:53] <danz> Hey, This might seem like a stupid question but better safe than sorry. I'm running Xubuntu 13.10 if I upgrade to 14.04 will it swype my computer clean? Will I lose all my files? Thanks for your time!
[00:54] <xangua> no, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't  have backups...if you consider your files important
[00:55] <danz> Okay thanks!
[00:57] <cubed_root> what's the safest way to install software? ubuntu software center? synaptic? apt-get?
[01:11] <David-A> cubed_root: as to where the software comes from, software center, synaptic and apt-get are equally safe. they use the same software sources (repositories).
[01:13] <David-A> cubed_root: as to authorization and use of the tools in your computer,  software center, synaptic and apt-get are equally restricted. you need the same admin priviliges in sudo for all of them. (iirc)
[01:16] <David-A> cubed_root: as to easy of use and hence less chance to mess things up, people would say software center, but I would say synaptic. cause in synaptic you will see if an install will uninstall something else. and you can check dependencies before you install. (you can do that with apt-get too, but unfamiliarity with the command line may increase risk of mistakes)
[01:21] <holstein> for me, its more about where the applications come from, cubed_root .. as i was saying the other day, adding PPA's and going outside the repo packages can give folks a hard time
[01:21] <holstein> !ppa
[01:21] <holstein> if you need one, you need one, and they are handy.. but, if you are mentioning "safe" and "stable", you probably either want to be doing something where you have more control over all the parts of the system, or just using default ubuntu
[01:22] <cubed_root> thanks guys, i think i understand a little better
[01:22] <cubed_root> and i guess it's just a matter of getting more familiar with the linux world
[01:23] <cubed_root> for example, i think the problem was installing gnome which comes with libreoffice, and libreoffice conflicts with openoffice, which i already had installed
[01:25] <cubed_root> and i might go back to open office -- the icons in libreoffice just aren't as nice as those in openoffice : )
[01:30] <xangua> the icons are just the same...
[01:34] <holstein> cubed_root: the icons?
[01:34] <holstein> cubed_root: you mean, the menu icons?.. you can change those all you please.. you want libreoffice
[01:34] <holstein> cubed_root: for all practical purposes, libreoffice *is* openoffice..
[01:53] <cubed_root> i was going to ask about that... thanks for the tip
[02:07] <cubed_root> holstein: do you know the history? was open office sun and they stopped supporting it?
[02:09] <holstein> cubed_root: its really OT here, in the support channel, but AFAIK, OO.o was to become a commercial product.. the project was forked, and development continued as libreoffice
[02:09] <holstein> cubed_root: AFAIK, the team, developers, developed code, and momentum that was OO.o is libreoffice
[02:10] <holstein> cubed_root: you are welcome and encouraged to research that on your own, and try both.. but, libreoffice is the newer fork or OO.o and is well developed
[02:12] <cubed_root> sorry, it is OT, but thanks for the info as always.
[05:14] <tierpod> Hello, when i put in flash drive, thunar ask me a password. Ubuntu - all works fine. I need a polkit config?
[05:14] <tierpod> My user in plugdev group
[05:22] <tierpod> after reboot all works fine :)
[12:13] <toki_> Hi! i need some help with wireless. i just installed fresh xubuntu and wireless was working. but after software update it say that device not managed. im using dwl-122 rev C  usb adapter.
[12:30] <toki_> Hi! i need some help with wireless. i just installed fresh xubuntu and wireless was working. but after software update it say that device not managed. im using dwl-122 rev C  usb adapter.
[12:40] <toki_> please help me figuring out why wifi not working after system update
[12:40] <starrats> toki_  try this driver:   http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/MODEM/D-Link/D-Link-DWL-G122-revC-USB-Adapter-Driver-330.shtml
[12:44] <starrats> your device might need an update for the driver Toki_ that is why I sent you that link, please try.
[12:44] <toki_> starrats thank you. but this is win driver. how an i use it?
[12:46] <starrats> it's a driver for your USB adapter not for windows I believe
[12:52] <starrats> toki_  did you try going to settings manager > additional drivers to see if one is available there
[12:52] <toki_> yes i did. no additional drivers for dwl-g122
[12:55] <starrats> ah okay, don't know what to tell you but stay here someone with more knowledge than I will be able to help you.
[12:58] <toki_> thank you anyway )
[12:59] <starrats> toki_ are you running windows on your computer or just Linux byt the way?
[13:06] <xubuntu538> buongiorno a tutti! ho un problema quando utilizzo il browser internet.. mi esce quasi sempre a intervalli quasi regolari la richiesta di uscita ( log of )
[13:09] <knome> !it | xubuntu538
[13:14] <Yanch0> anyone can offer me any tips as to why xubuntu is crasshing installation on a new hdd? i just replaced the hdd since it was giving the same error
[13:15] <toki_> starrats  xubuntu linux. but adapter worked fine on windows.
[13:15] <knome> that doesn't help debugging much... did you check if the DVD/USB had defects?
[13:16] <Yanch0> knome, this is my 2nd cd
[13:16] <knome> Yanch0, check the MD5SUM
[13:19] <Yanch0> matched the iso
[13:28] <Yanch0> btw error is no space left on device ... error saving source cache
[14:34] <a5m0> how can i get lightdm to have the correct resolution and correctly show my dual-monitor wallpaper? (xubuntu 14.04)
[14:45] <holstein> a5m0: you mean, at login? could be tricky.. and "correct" is really just a matter of what you need/want
[14:46] <holstein> a5m0: whats happening now? and what do you want to have happen? and how big a deal is it for the login screen?
[14:46] <a5m0> so right now when i lock my computer, both monitors show the same mirrored low-res lock screen
[14:46] <holstein> a5m0: and thats not acceptable?
[14:46] <a5m0> i would like it to be my normal resolution and inherit my dual-monitor desktop wallpaper
[14:47] <holstein> a5m0: i usually just deal with little issues like that, since the graphics card manufacturers do not promise me linux support...
[14:47] <holstein> a5m0: would a different locker be "better"?
[14:48]  * starrats doesn't understand why nicks need dual monitors other than for gaming, if that?
[14:48] <holstein> starrats: i use it for audio production.. quite handy
[14:48] <a5m0> holstein: well i would assume it's not a gpu issue since eeverything works when i'm not screen-locked
[14:48] <holstein> a5m0: why assume that?
[14:49] <a5m0> does the lockscreen use different drivers for some strange reason?
[14:49] <holstein> a5m0: anyways, would another locker be acceptable?
[14:49] <a5m0> sure
[14:49] <a5m0> starrats: work gives them to me, i do a lot of stuff where more screen realestate is better
[14:49] <holstein> a5m0: if so, i would probably just either try auditioning different ones (probably from a live CD, so i dont do any "damage"), and/or, reading about configuring one of them intensely
[14:51] <holstein> a5m0: http://askubuntu.com/questions/274504/multimonitor-in-login-screen-vs-lock-screen seems relevant
[14:52] <a5m0> holstein: relevant but not helpful
[15:44] <starrats> ah okay a5m0
[16:25] <ochosi> a5m0: problem with dual monitor is the following....
[16:26] <ochosi> the greeter (which is used for login and lock-screen) is a systemwide app, so it can't know the setup of a user
[16:26] <ochosi> even if it would know about it, imagine 3 users with different screen-setups and the greeter switching around between them when changing users in the combobox
[16:27] <ochosi> anyway, we have that issue on our roadmap and it'll hopefully improve
[16:27] <ochosi> you can install and use unity-greeter meanwhile, maybe it works better with multiple monitors
[18:44] <mik3> why has every laptop i have thrown xubuntu on since 12.04 require me to either manually create acpi hooks or swap xfce4-power-manager for gnome-power-manager to not completely fail at suspending since 12.04?
[19:21] <miki_> hi there
[19:22] <miki_> anybody experiencing issues with the monitor not turning off? (fresh install, the power management will kick in, but it turns back on right away)
[19:22] <miki_> same thing happens with "xset set dpms force off"
[19:23] <miki_> "xset dpms force off
[19:58] <GandhiXubuntu> hello
[19:58] <GandhiXubuntu> I need help with my internet
[19:59] <knome> GandhiXubuntu, ask away and we'll see if we can help
[19:59] <GandhiXubuntu> it seems to fluctuate alot and to the  extremes
[19:59] <GandhiXubuntu> my internet speed seems to fluctuate alot and to the  extremes
[20:00] <GandhiXubuntu> it is basically very unreliable
[20:00] <GandhiXubuntu> i'm very new to xubuntu
[20:01] <GandhiXubuntu> if i switch back to my windows install the internet in fine
[20:02] <drc> GandhiXubuntu: same machine?
[20:03] <drc> GandhiXubuntu: Wired or wireless?
[20:03] <GandhiXubuntu> now sure what you mean?
[20:03] <GandhiXubuntu> not*
[20:03] <drc> Do you have windows and Xubuntu nstalled on the same machine, and does windows on that machine have no problems with the internet connection?
[20:04] <drc> And is your connection wired or wireless?
[20:04] <GandhiXubuntu> windows xp and xubuntu on the same machine
[20:04] <GandhiXubuntu> YES same machine, Windows has no issue
[20:06] <GandhiXubuntu> not*
[20:06] <Azelphur> GandhiXubuntu: what do you mean by speeds, how are you performing the tests to see the differences on either side?
[20:09] <GandhiXubuntu> no, just general unreliable internet..... compared to windows.... I'm just waiting longer than i should for things to load OR they time out and don't load..... then i can wait 5-10mins try again.... and it works and its fast..... but its up and down all the time...
[20:10] <Azelphur> "things"?
[20:10] <Azelphur> how are you defining whether it's up or down?
[20:12] <genii> Probably by a 404 ;)
[20:14] <GandhiXubuntu> basically each page eityher take ages to load or it doesn't load
[20:15] <GandhiXubuntu> basically each page either take ages to load or it doesn't load
[20:18] <GandhiXubuntu> hello?
[20:36] <GandhiXubuntu> HELP.... i'm struggling to stay in this chat room because.... my wifi is soooooooo slow/unresponsive..... i've got windows installed on the same machine and the internet has no problem..... i just recently installed Xubuntu 14.04 for the for the first time (my computer is P4 3ghz 2gb RAM) can anyone help me please????
[20:53] <monkeynaut> is anyone else seeing this behavior?  click and hold one of the window buttons in your panel and drag it slightly to the left or right.  does your whisker menu icon disappear?
[21:07] <monkeynaut> here is a video demonstrating the problem i'm talking about.  nothing major, just annoying:    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAxa_0hbBCg
[22:14] <imthenachoman> hey guys. need some help. i had ubuntu 13.04 (i think) on my machine before. i installed xubuntu 14.04 and it installed fine but i'm having intermitant freezing. i don't know what is going on. like the freezing even kills my downloads (through FF or wget). anyway i can figue out what is wrong?