| manchicken | Ugh… work just gave me a Dell to install Kubuntu on… but I can't get the L2TP+IPSec VPN working. | 00:36 |
|---|---|---|
| manchicken | It's a nice machine, too… just need to get the VPN set up and I'm golden. | 00:40 |
| === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu | ||
| valorie | linuxgrandma.blogspot.com/2014/05/todays-catch-up-meeting-with-ubuntu.html | 03:37 |
| jose | valorie: just read the post, good to know you got to highlight those points | 04:49 |
| valorie | it's worthwhile to read the log - people actually *discussed* | 04:50 |
| jose | will do tomorrow :) | 05:01 |
| tsimpson | valorie: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/05/15/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t17:39 is probably a "better" log link | 05:08 |
| valorie | very cool | 05:08 |
| * valorie fixes | 05:08 | |
| valorie | how did you derive the big after the hash? | 05:12 |
| valorie | hashmark | 05:12 |
| valorie | thank you, tsimpson | 05:13 |
| tsimpson | the times in the log are clickable | 05:13 |
| valorie | shiver me timbers, modern whizbangs | 05:14 |
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| lordievader | Good morning. | 06:53 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| === alket_ is now known as alket | ||
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: apply for motu | 09:39 |
| shadeslayer | Yes | 09:40 |
| ovidiu-florin | mornin' | 09:44 |
| Riddell | it's.. ovidiu-florin ! | 09:44 |
| ovidiu-florin | you don't have to stand up :D | 09:44 |
| * Riddell spins in his chair | 09:45 | |
| * ovidiu-florin scratches his head | 09:45 | |
| ovidiu-florin | I can't get DVDs to work on a 14.04 instance. What should I debug? | 09:45 |
| ovidiu-florin | I have the 3 magical DVD libs installed | 09:45 |
| ovidiu-florin | I tried to play with VLC and KMPlayer and VLC freezes KMPlayer does not play anything | 09:46 |
| soee | ovidiu-florin: tested more than one dvd ? | 09:46 |
| ovidiu-florin | tested a bunch | 09:46 |
| ovidiu-florin | I'll try to test the same DVDs on a 13.10 instance later today | 09:47 |
| soee | strange than, as i mentioned yetserday dvd works nice for me | 09:47 |
| ovidiu-florin | but still, what should I debug? where should I look? | 09:47 |
| soee | maybe better channel would be #ubuntu | 09:47 |
| * ovidiu-florin is affraid of #ubuntu | 09:48 | |
| Riddell | ovidiu-florin: have you installed css? | 09:51 |
| ovidiu-florin | yes | 09:51 |
| Riddell | works great for me in 14.04 | 09:51 |
| ovidiu-florin | it's one of the 3 magical packages | 09:51 |
| soee | http://www.itworld.com/software/415995/install-multimedia-codecs-ubuntu-1404 | 09:52 |
| ovidiu-florin | libdvdread4 is installed | 09:53 |
| ovidiu-florin | although I did not run the install-css.sh script | 09:54 |
| soee | but you mentioned that it's freezes right but cd playbeck starts ? | 09:54 |
| ovidiu-florin | I added the videolan ppas and installed it myself | 09:54 |
| ovidiu-florin | yes | 09:54 |
| shadeslayer | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktp-contact-list/+bug/1319085 | 10:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1319085 in ktp-contact-list (Ubuntu Trusty) "KTP Contactlist crashes when mission-control is not running and a user tries to add a friend" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 10:10 |
| shadeslayer | could someone verify that ^ | 10:10 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: if I kill mission-control-5 | 10:12 |
| Riddell | then in KDE IM Contacts | 10:12 |
| Riddell | click find | 10:12 |
| Riddell | and search for rohan | 10:12 |
| Riddell | it successfully finds 4 rohans | 10:12 |
| shadeslayer | are you offline | 10:12 |
| shadeslayer | needs setting to offline first | 10:12 |
| shadeslayer | then kill m-c | 10:13 |
| shadeslayer | also, testing procedure says purge | 10:13 |
| shadeslayer | so .... whut | 10:13 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 11:21 |
| Riddell | agateau: are you sorting the shirts from jussi you want? | 12:06 |
| turgay | http://sudrap.org/paste/text/331387/ what is the solution ? | 12:18 |
| Riddell | hmm I can't log into sftp people.ubuntu.com is it still up? | 12:20 |
| Riddell | turgay: dpkg --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/project-neon5-sddm_0.0+git20140516.0310+neon10~5d59e5b~14.04_i386.deb would work round it | 12:20 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer, apachelogger ↑ | 12:21 |
| Riddell | neon issue | 12:21 |
| shadeslayer | just force overwrite | 12:21 |
| shadeslayer | for now | 12:21 |
| Riddell | whee, another nice kubuntu derivative distro http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/univention.png | 12:22 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: reckon that needs fixing upstream btw? | 12:23 |
| apachelogger | makes sddm and lightdm not coinstallable, users aint gonna like that | 12:23 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I lik ehow that plasma panel has a rendering bug there | 12:24 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: where? | 12:24 |
| turgay | what results? | 12:25 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: no, d__ed recommends just breaking/replacing the file | 12:26 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: in the systray | 12:26 |
| shadeslayer | and in the time plasmoid | 12:26 |
| shadeslayer | and underneath the task manager | 12:26 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: that's the wallpaper used for the panel | 12:27 |
| shadeslayer | what | 12:28 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: that won't work for kubuntu proper | 12:32 |
| apachelogger | best that can get is an alternates which is slightly shitty entirely shitty | 12:33 |
| apachelogger | or a debconf thingy which is also slightly crap | 12:33 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: ah, oddest background ever | 12:34 |
| agateau | Riddell: regarding t-shirts: don't think we'll end up getting them, remaining sizes are too "exotic" | 12:35 |
| * Riddell blogs http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=155 | 12:37 | |
| alket | Are you going to remove firefox ? | 12:39 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: depends on when update alternatives is triggered, if it's triggered after the debconf dialog to choose between lightdm and sddm, we can do changes based on that answer | 12:43 |
| shadeslayer | man page doesn't say | 12:45 |
| yofel | so far the debconf dialog does nothing other than setting /etc/X11/default-display-manager | 12:46 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: right, we could just read that and run update alternatives accordingly? | 12:46 |
| yofel | possibly, which will probably work until the point where someone edits the file at which point dpkg will mess with you as it's a conffile | 12:47 |
| yofel | but I'm just guessing here | 12:47 |
| apachelogger | it all sounds very silly | 12:47 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: why does sddm need its own service config? | 12:47 |
| shadeslayer | d__ed: ^^ | 12:47 |
| yofel | well, something has to provide it? | 12:47 |
| d__ed | yeah, and both lightdm and sddm implement the same service | 12:47 |
| d__ed | (by design) | 12:48 |
| apachelogger | my point is... why do both need to install the same file | 12:48 |
| sgclark | Who do I bug for wiki.kubuntu.org errors? I am trying to create my wiki and get <class 'openid.message.InvalidOpenIDNamespace'> errors when trying to login | 12:49 |
| yofel | sgclark: #canonical-sysadmin AFAIK | 12:49 |
| sgclark | ty | 12:49 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: because if they don't then who provides the file? | 12:52 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: you could have just sddm installed, and if we don't ship the file, then where does it come from? | 12:52 |
| apachelogger | geee | 12:53 |
| apachelogger | that must be why every application ships their own libraries | 12:53 |
| apachelogger | if the application didn't ship them they wouldn't be there | 12:53 |
| apachelogger | -.- | 12:53 |
| yofel | does that file really have to be named by that completely generic dbus interface name? | 12:53 |
| apachelogger | yes | 12:54 |
| yofel | as like every systemd login manager will have to provide one and the same file :S | 12:54 |
| yofel | which is a mess | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | renaming it wouldn't change the problem anyway | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | it would just hide it | 12:54 |
| yofel | well, it would mean that lightdm could ship a .lightdm.conf and sddm a .sddm.conf | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | the file sets access rules for the displaymanager service | 12:54 |
| yofel | shitty, but work | 12:54 |
| yofel | s | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | which is implemented by two different pieces of software, much like plugins implementing a given plugin interface | 12:55 |
| yofel | why is it a displaymanager service and not a lightdm service? | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | but since sddm and lightdm need to have the same access rules it makes no sense that both install the same file | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | there should be a tarball xdg-display-manager or whatever that installs this and possibly other files that may be of use to both displaymanagers | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | otherwise if I create my own displaymanager because I am a really cool dude I will have to copy that shit file again, and then when I fork my own displaymanager because really it should be redone in ruby I copy it again and again and again | 12:56 |
| yofel | again, why does the service have to be called 'displaymanager' | 12:57 |
| yofel | we have kdm, lightdm, gdm and whatever services now without systemd and all is fine | 12:58 |
| apachelogger | that has nothing to do with systemd | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | that's a dbus config | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | the new DMs register as org.fdo.DM on the system bus | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | so that stuff can talk to them and query seat information and whatnot | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | that's why they need to have the same name | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | they implement the same dbus interface for querying seats and shit | 12:59 |
| yofel | then the way you provide dbus interfaces is really shitty if only one thing providing a said interface can be installed on the system | 13:00 |
| apachelogger | that's what I am arguing | 13:01 |
| apachelogger | the file should be in a tarball that is a runtime dep of both things | 13:01 |
| yofel | guess that would work as a workaround | 13:02 |
| apachelogger | that's not a workaround | 13:02 |
| apachelogger | that is the solution | 13:02 |
| apachelogger | you have the same goo as someone else, you move the goo to a shared space and share it | 13:02 |
| yofel | that is really shitty if - when I write a new application - I have to check through the whole world whether someone already wrote $interface | 13:03 |
| apachelogger | I don't get that point | 13:04 |
| yofel | nvm, maybe I just don't understand how dbus was designed | 13:04 |
| apachelogger | yofel: that's a file controlling access to an interface | 13:04 |
| apachelogger | it technically doesn't have anything to do with the implementation of an interface | 13:05 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: what happens if lightdm introduces new interface but sddm doesn't implement it yet | 13:05 |
| shadeslayer | do you update the file regardless of whether the app implements it | 13:05 |
| yofel | apachelogger: hm, I think I roughly get the point | 13:06 |
| yofel | so, does update-alternatives work fine with conffiles? | 13:06 |
| yofel | hm, should actually as it's all symlinks... | 13:07 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: yes? | 13:07 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: wouldn't that cause brekage? | 13:07 |
| apachelogger | no? | 13:08 |
| yofel | why would the application that doesn't implement it care? | 13:08 |
| shadeslayer | *shrug* ok | 13:08 |
| apachelogger | you can add send_interface="yolo.kitten.mewmoewmoewmoewmoewmeowemoew" to that file and it wouldn't matter | 13:08 |
| apachelogger | it's pretty much an ACL | 13:08 |
| yofel | apachelogger: TBH, I would rather then go with alternatives than a shared tarball as we won't know whether lightdm and sddm will be using the exact same ACL in the future | 13:09 |
| yofel | it would also be yet another pkg to keep in sync | 13:10 |
| apachelogger | if they implement the same interface they must use the same ACL | 13:10 |
| apachelogger | if they do not, then they do not implement the same interface | 13:10 |
| yofel | then why is this file not part of the dbus package? | 13:10 |
| apachelogger | that's my argument waaaaaaah | 13:10 |
| apachelogger | it should be in a joint package | 13:10 |
| apachelogger | not both | 13:10 |
| yofel | oh, you meant *there* ^^ | 13:11 |
| apachelogger | unless org.freedesktop.DM is not an actually standard | 13:11 |
| apachelogger | in which case neither should be using that interface name at all | 13:11 |
| yofel | why couldn't they both define a different policy for the same interface? | 13:11 |
| apachelogger | they can, except then the interface is pointless | 13:12 |
| yofel | I'm not talking about interface definition but e.g. user restrictions, as the current file does for AddSeat | 13:13 |
| apachelogger | I write an application called foobar that talks to org.freedesktop.DisplayManager EXCEPT first I have to ask it whether I should talk with it using sddm interfaces or lightdm interfaces, so what's the point of talking to org.freedesktop.DisplayManager rahter than org.kitten.sddm... there is none | 13:13 |
| apachelogger | yofel: that is part of the interface definition | 13:13 |
| yofel | uhm, ok... | 13:14 |
| apachelogger | imagine if you will, phonon-gst and phonon-vlc both implement Media::Play(), except phonon-vlc actually will refuse to do anything unless I am in the system group 'kitten' | 13:14 |
| apachelogger | it wouldn't be a rotten interface implementation if it did that, would it? | 13:14 |
| yofel | possibly, I'll have to believe you for now | 13:15 |
| * yofel has to get back to work | 13:15 | |
| Riddell | why has nobody noticed the 2 on every kubuntu website http://www.kubuntu.org/news/ladies-polo-shirts-now-kubuntu-merchandise-shop | 13:24 |
| Riddell | between the body and the footer | 13:24 |
| Riddell | just randomly there | 13:24 |
| shadeslayer | I did | 13:26 |
| shadeslayer | I bought it up | 13:26 |
| shadeslayer | no one knew why | 13:26 |
| apachelogger | I do I do | 13:26 |
| apachelogger | someone broke the theme :P | 13:26 |
| shadeslayer | wat | 13:27 |
| shadeslayer | 2<div id="overall-footer"> | 13:27 |
| Riddell | fixed in bzr, e-mailed rt@ | 13:27 |
| kdeuser56 | yofel: is the neon iso suiteable for productive use? | 14:15 |
| kdeuser56 | yofel: I guess you can have frameworks and kdelibs in parallel? | 14:15 |
| yofel | kdeuser56: please ask shadeslayer about the iso, I'm not too involved there. | 14:17 |
| shadeslayer | kdeuser56: define productive use | 14:18 |
| kdeuser56 | shadeslayer: I can use all the "old" kdelibs stuff ... | 14:18 |
| kdeuser56 | shadeslayer: upgrades work | 14:18 |
| shadeslayer | sure, but you don't need the ISO for that | 14:18 |
| shadeslayer | upgrades won't work always | 14:18 |
| kdeuser56 | shadeslayer: why is it not based on utopic? | 14:19 |
| shadeslayer | kdeuser56: too new | 14:19 |
| shadeslayer | it's useless to invest time in utopic at the moment for utopic | 14:19 |
| shadeslayer | plus don't think neon is boot strapped right now | 14:19 |
| shadeslayer | erm | 14:19 |
| shadeslayer | *it's useless to invest time in utopic at the moment | 14:19 |
| kdeuser56 | shadeslayer: what do you mean I do not need the iso? | 14:20 |
| shadeslayer | kdeuser56: if you're using regular kubuntu, you can just install PN5 and use that | 14:21 |
| shadeslayer | no need to specifically use the ISO for that | 14:21 |
| shadeslayer | the ISO is mostly like a demo thing for people to try out | 14:21 |
| shadeslayer | sure you can install it, but that's not the point of the ISO :) | 14:21 |
| kdeuser56 | shadeslayer: but the ppa is not supported on uptoic either ... right? | 14:22 |
| shadeslayer | it is not | 14:22 |
| shadeslayer | kdeuser56: like I said, not worth the time/effort at the moment | 14:22 |
| shadeslayer | maybe after the first alpha or some such | 14:22 |
| kdeuser56 | shadeslayer: but why shouldn't I install the iso? | 14:23 |
| shadeslayer | I never said that :) | 14:23 |
| kdeuser56 | the base (14.04) is stable, and I can install all applications I need | 14:23 |
| shadeslayer | I just said that that's not the point of the ISO, you could just as well install kubuntu and then neon 5 ontop | 14:23 |
| kdeuser56 | shadeslayer: so to conclude there should not be much trouble to run kde 4 and kde 5 stuff in parallel? | 14:24 |
| shadeslayer | what's kde 5? | 14:24 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 14:24 |
| kdeuser56 | shadeslayer: its easier to write than frameworks 5 and kdelibs 4 | 14:25 |
| shadeslayer | KF5 / PW2 works too :) | 14:25 |
| shadeslayer | also, easier doesn't necessarily mean correct, since stuff got rebranded and what not | 14:25 |
| kdeuser56 | shadeslayer: yes/no to my question? | 14:26 |
| shadeslayer | kdeuser56: yep | 14:26 |
| shadeslayer | Neon 5 is meant to make sure things work parallely | 14:26 |
| shadeslayer | oh though kmail won't work IIRC | 14:26 |
| shadeslayer | nor will akonadi | 14:26 |
| shadeslayer | or atleast, doesn't work on my machine | 14:26 |
| yofel | maybe build it in sqlite mode if it has issues with mysql | 14:27 |
| ScottK | Sad. Kmail in 4.13 is finally working pretty well. | 14:27 |
| BluesKaj | shadeslayer, that's no loss :) | 14:27 |
| shadeslayer | BluesKaj: it is to me | 14:27 |
| shadeslayer | reading ML's without kmail is a PITA | 14:28 |
| BluesKaj | MLs | 14:28 |
| BluesKaj | ? | 14:28 |
| shadeslayer | like you're deliberately trying to give yourself a aneurysm | 14:28 |
| shadeslayer | BluesKaj: mailing lists | 14:28 |
| ghostcube | mailing lists with TB work pretty well | 14:28 |
| kdeuser56 | shadeslayer: oh kmail/akonadi not working is a dealbreaker for me :-( | 14:29 |
| shadeslayer | kdeuser56: yeah, we can investigate that next week I guess | 14:30 |
| kdeuser56 | shadeslayer: so it builds etc. but the binary does not work? | 14:30 |
| shadeslayer | kdeuser56: no, this is kmail from KDE SC 4.13 | 14:30 |
| shadeslayer | there is no frameworks branch for that | 14:31 |
| kdeuser56 | yeah I know ... but why doesn't it work then? | 14:31 |
| kdeuser56 | some missing library? | 14:31 |
| shadeslayer | dunno | 14:34 |
| shadeslayer | feel free to investigate | 14:34 |
| kdeuser56 | okay ... I'll try to :D | 14:34 |
| kdeuser56 | shadeslayer: ah btw: icontasks is not available on frameworks right? | 14:35 |
| shadeslayer | nope | 14:35 |
| sgclark | Can someone help me with http://paste.ubuntu.com/7472878/ this package compiled fine in an utopic chroot | 14:46 |
| shadeslayer | -- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred! | 14:48 |
| shadeslayer | sgclark: needs more backlog | 14:48 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 14:49 |
| shadeslayer | add_custom_command Wrong syntax. A TARGET or OUTPUT must be specified. | 14:49 |
| shadeslayer | there you go? | 14:49 |
| sgclark | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/175724929/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-amd64.kget_4%3A4.13.0-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 14:49 |
| sgclark | I am not strong enough with programming yet sorry, why would it compile on the chroot and not launchpad? is it a qt version thing or ? | 14:51 |
| shadeslayer | just hit rebuild | 14:54 |
| sgclark | ok | 14:54 |
| shadeslayer | possibly launchpad just falling over | 14:54 |
| shadeslayer | if it doesn't work, then, run cmake on launchpad with --trace | 14:54 |
| shadeslayer | you'll have to pass that in via packaging | 14:55 |
| shadeslayer | sgclark: where's your packaging btw? | 14:55 |
| shadeslayer | maybe something you changed? | 14:55 |
| sgclark | It is 100% debian plus a merged changelog | 14:55 |
| shadeslayer | oh, is it all from debian? no changes required? | 14:56 |
| sgclark | builds find in my new utopic chroot, died in my PPA | 14:56 |
| sgclark | right | 14:56 |
| shadeslayer | might be useful to do a fakesync if it can handle 4.12 vs 4.13 | 14:57 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: ^^ not sure what the procedure on that is | 14:57 |
| ScottK | No. You need to merge it by hand. | 14:57 |
| yofel | that would be like pointless as you would still have an ubuntu1 version in the end | 14:58 |
| shadeslayer | ok | 14:58 |
| sgclark | still failing. nepomuk and ontologies are having a communication failure on launchpad. Not sure how to investigate as it does not have that failure on my chroot | 15:04 |
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| apachelogger | shadeslayer, agateau: btw, in case you don't remember you are actually kubuntu brothers what with having become members on the same day xD | 15:11 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: oh neat :D | 15:14 |
| shadeslayer | sgclark: couple of things you could do, run with the simple sbuilder script thing that mimics launchpad locally | 15:15 |
| shadeslayer | the other one being to upload the package and call cmake with --trace | 15:15 |
| sgclark | shadeslayer: I will try those, thank you | 15:17 |
| shadeslayer | sgclark: IIRC the first one is called sbuild-launchpad-chroot | 15:18 |
| agateau | shadeslayer: hey brother :) | 15:20 |
| shadeslayer | *hugs* | 15:20 |
| shadeslayer | :) | 15:20 |
| Riddell | yofel: how's 4.13.1 packages coming? | 15:27 |
| Riddell | all installed and running fine here | 15:27 |
| yofel | trusty out, saucy untested but done in staging | 15:28 |
| Riddell | friday, today has been a good day, I have got down to 5 unprocessed e-mails :) | 16:00 |
| Riddell | yofel: dist-upgrade from a saucy machine has packages removed http://paste.kde.org/pxdzit4cb | 16:35 |
| yofel | hm, not good. I'll check | 16:36 |
| Riddell | libpimcommon4 : Depends: libkgapi2-2 (>= 2.1.0) but 2.0.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed | 16:36 |
| Riddell | that could be it | 16:36 |
| yofel | hm, do you have the backports ppa on? | 16:36 |
| Riddell | ah, no | 16:37 |
| Riddell | yep that helps | 16:38 |
| Riddell | yofel: test good with me | 16:52 |
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| sgclark | shadeslayer: builds fine in sbuilder as well, to do the --trace do I just add that in an override to dh_auto_configure in the rules file? | 17:50 |
| shadeslayer | sgclark: yep | 17:50 |
| sgclark | ty | 17:50 |
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| Etriaph | Hi folks. | 21:18 |
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