[00:36] Ugh… work just gave me a Dell to install Kubuntu on… but I can't get the L2TP+IPSec VPN working. [00:40] It's a nice machine, too… just need to get the VPN set up and I'm golden. === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [03:37] linuxgrandma.blogspot.com/2014/05/todays-catch-up-meeting-with-ubuntu.html [04:49] valorie: just read the post, good to know you got to highlight those points [04:50] it's worthwhile to read the log - people actually *discussed* [05:01] will do tomorrow :) [05:08] valorie: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/05/15/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t17:39 is probably a "better" log link [05:08] very cool [05:08] * valorie fixes [05:12] how did you derive the big after the hash? [05:12] hashmark [05:13] thank you, tsimpson [05:13] the times in the log are clickable [05:14] shiver me timbers, modern whizbangs === alket_ is now known as alket [06:53] Good morning. === yofel_ is now known as yofel === alket_ is now known as alket [09:39] shadeslayer: apply for motu [09:40] Yes [09:44] mornin' [09:44] it's.. ovidiu-florin ! [09:44] you don't have to stand up :D [09:45] * Riddell spins in his chair [09:45] * ovidiu-florin scratches his head [09:45] I can't get DVDs to work on a 14.04 instance. What should I debug? [09:45] I have the 3 magical DVD libs installed [09:46] I tried to play with VLC and KMPlayer and VLC freezes KMPlayer does not play anything [09:46] ovidiu-florin: tested more than one dvd ? [09:46] tested a bunch [09:47] I'll try to test the same DVDs on a 13.10 instance later today [09:47] strange than, as i mentioned yetserday dvd works nice for me [09:47] but still, what should I debug? where should I look? [09:47] maybe better channel would be #ubuntu [09:48] * ovidiu-florin is affraid of #ubuntu [09:51] ovidiu-florin: have you installed css? [09:51] yes [09:51] works great for me in 14.04 [09:51] it's one of the 3 magical packages [09:52] http://www.itworld.com/software/415995/install-multimedia-codecs-ubuntu-1404 [09:53] libdvdread4 is installed [09:54] although I did not run the install-css.sh script [09:54] but you mentioned that it's freezes right but cd playbeck starts ? [09:54] I added the videolan ppas and installed it myself [09:54] yes [10:10] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktp-contact-list/+bug/1319085 [10:10] Launchpad bug 1319085 in ktp-contact-list (Ubuntu Trusty) "KTP Contactlist crashes when mission-control is not running and a user tries to add a friend" [Undecided,Fix committed] [10:10] could someone verify that ^ [10:12] shadeslayer: if I kill mission-control-5 [10:12] then in KDE IM Contacts [10:12] click find [10:12] and search for rohan [10:12] it successfully finds 4 rohans [10:12] are you offline [10:12] needs setting to offline first [10:13] then kill m-c [10:13] also, testing procedure says purge [10:13] so .... whut [11:21] Hiyas all [12:06] agateau: are you sorting the shirts from jussi you want? [12:18] http://sudrap.org/paste/text/331387/ what is the solution ? [12:20] hmm I can't log into sftp people.ubuntu.com is it still up? [12:20] turgay: dpkg --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/project-neon5-sddm_0.0+git20140516.0310+neon10~5d59e5b~14.04_i386.deb would work round it [12:21] shadeslayer, apachelogger ↑ [12:21] neon issue [12:21] just force overwrite [12:21] for now [12:22] whee, another nice kubuntu derivative distro http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/univention.png [12:23] shadeslayer: reckon that needs fixing upstream btw? [12:23] makes sddm and lightdm not coinstallable, users aint gonna like that [12:24] Riddell: I lik ehow that plasma panel has a rendering bug there [12:24] apachelogger: where? [12:25] what results? [12:26] apachelogger: no, d__ed recommends just breaking/replacing the file [12:26] Riddell: in the systray [12:26] and in the time plasmoid [12:26] and underneath the task manager [12:27] shadeslayer: that's the wallpaper used for the panel [12:28] what [12:32] shadeslayer: that won't work for kubuntu proper [12:33] best that can get is an alternates which is slightly shitty entirely shitty [12:33] or a debconf thingy which is also slightly crap [12:34] Riddell: ah, oddest background ever [12:35] Riddell: regarding t-shirts: don't think we'll end up getting them, remaining sizes are too "exotic" [12:37] * Riddell blogs http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=155 [12:39] Are you going to remove firefox ? [12:43] apachelogger: depends on when update alternatives is triggered, if it's triggered after the debconf dialog to choose between lightdm and sddm, we can do changes based on that answer [12:45] man page doesn't say [12:46] so far the debconf dialog does nothing other than setting /etc/X11/default-display-manager [12:46] yofel: right, we could just read that and run update alternatives accordingly? [12:47] possibly, which will probably work until the point where someone edits the file at which point dpkg will mess with you as it's a conffile [12:47] but I'm just guessing here [12:47] it all sounds very silly [12:47] shadeslayer: why does sddm need its own service config? [12:47] d__ed: ^^ [12:47] well, something has to provide it? [12:47] yeah, and both lightdm and sddm implement the same service [12:48] (by design) [12:48] my point is... why do both need to install the same file [12:49] Who do I bug for wiki.kubuntu.org errors? I am trying to create my wiki and get errors when trying to login [12:49] sgclark: #canonical-sysadmin AFAIK [12:49] ty [12:52] apachelogger: because if they don't then who provides the file? [12:52] apachelogger: you could have just sddm installed, and if we don't ship the file, then where does it come from? [12:53] geee [12:53] that must be why every application ships their own libraries [12:53] if the application didn't ship them they wouldn't be there [12:53] -.- [12:53] does that file really have to be named by that completely generic dbus interface name? [12:54] yes [12:54] as like every systemd login manager will have to provide one and the same file :S [12:54] which is a mess [12:54] renaming it wouldn't change the problem anyway [12:54] it would just hide it [12:54] well, it would mean that lightdm could ship a .lightdm.conf and sddm a .sddm.conf [12:54] the file sets access rules for the displaymanager service [12:54] shitty, but work [12:54] s [12:55] which is implemented by two different pieces of software, much like plugins implementing a given plugin interface [12:55] why is it a displaymanager service and not a lightdm service? [12:55] but since sddm and lightdm need to have the same access rules it makes no sense that both install the same file [12:55] there should be a tarball xdg-display-manager or whatever that installs this and possibly other files that may be of use to both displaymanagers [12:56] otherwise if I create my own displaymanager because I am a really cool dude I will have to copy that shit file again, and then when I fork my own displaymanager because really it should be redone in ruby I copy it again and again and again [12:57] again, why does the service have to be called 'displaymanager' [12:58] we have kdm, lightdm, gdm and whatever services now without systemd and all is fine [12:59] that has nothing to do with systemd [12:59] that's a dbus config [12:59] the new DMs register as org.fdo.DM on the system bus [12:59] so that stuff can talk to them and query seat information and whatnot [12:59] that's why they need to have the same name [12:59] they implement the same dbus interface for querying seats and shit [13:00] then the way you provide dbus interfaces is really shitty if only one thing providing a said interface can be installed on the system [13:01] that's what I am arguing [13:01] the file should be in a tarball that is a runtime dep of both things [13:02] guess that would work as a workaround [13:02] that's not a workaround [13:02] that is the solution [13:02] you have the same goo as someone else, you move the goo to a shared space and share it [13:03] that is really shitty if - when I write a new application - I have to check through the whole world whether someone already wrote $interface [13:04] I don't get that point [13:04] nvm, maybe I just don't understand how dbus was designed [13:04] yofel: that's a file controlling access to an interface [13:05] it technically doesn't have anything to do with the implementation of an interface [13:05] apachelogger: what happens if lightdm introduces new interface but sddm doesn't implement it yet [13:05] do you update the file regardless of whether the app implements it [13:06] apachelogger: hm, I think I roughly get the point [13:06] so, does update-alternatives work fine with conffiles? [13:07] hm, should actually as it's all symlinks... [13:07] shadeslayer: yes? [13:07] apachelogger: wouldn't that cause brekage? [13:08] no? [13:08] why would the application that doesn't implement it care? [13:08] *shrug* ok [13:08] you can add send_interface="yolo.kitten.mewmoewmoewmoewmoewmeowemoew" to that file and it wouldn't matter [13:08] it's pretty much an ACL [13:09] apachelogger: TBH, I would rather then go with alternatives than a shared tarball as we won't know whether lightdm and sddm will be using the exact same ACL in the future [13:10] it would also be yet another pkg to keep in sync [13:10] if they implement the same interface they must use the same ACL [13:10] if they do not, then they do not implement the same interface [13:10] then why is this file not part of the dbus package? [13:10] that's my argument waaaaaaah [13:10] it should be in a joint package [13:10] not both [13:11] oh, you meant *there* ^^ [13:11] unless org.freedesktop.DM is not an actually standard [13:11] in which case neither should be using that interface name at all [13:11] why couldn't they both define a different policy for the same interface? [13:12] they can, except then the interface is pointless [13:13] I'm not talking about interface definition but e.g. user restrictions, as the current file does for AddSeat [13:13] I write an application called foobar that talks to org.freedesktop.DisplayManager EXCEPT first I have to ask it whether I should talk with it using sddm interfaces or lightdm interfaces, so what's the point of talking to org.freedesktop.DisplayManager rahter than org.kitten.sddm... there is none [13:13] yofel: that is part of the interface definition [13:14] uhm, ok... [13:14] imagine if you will, phonon-gst and phonon-vlc both implement Media::Play(), except phonon-vlc actually will refuse to do anything unless I am in the system group 'kitten' [13:14] it wouldn't be a rotten interface implementation if it did that, would it? [13:15] possibly, I'll have to believe you for now [13:15] * yofel has to get back to work [13:24] why has nobody noticed the 2 on every kubuntu website http://www.kubuntu.org/news/ladies-polo-shirts-now-kubuntu-merchandise-shop [13:24] between the body and the footer [13:24] just randomly there [13:26] I did [13:26] I bought it up [13:26] no one knew why [13:26] I do I do [13:26] someone broke the theme :P [13:27] wat [13:27] 2