| phillw | knome: did you back up all the images from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IconsPage before you deleted them? | 01:51 |
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| phillw | As you will have done so, please do let me have the link as to where they all are. thanks. | 01:58 |
| pleia2 | phillw: if you look in the history you can still view them all | 01:59 |
| pleia2 | on lines that say: ATTDEL: you can still click on "view" or "get" | 01:59 |
| phillw | pleia2: nope, you cannot.. once a image is deleted it is gone | 02:00 |
| pleia2 | for example? | 02:00 |
| pleia2 | most of the images were deleted before knome came along, which is why the cleanup was done | 02:00 |
| phillw | pleia2: the images were attached to that page... i know as I did add some. | 02:01 |
| phillw | A sweeping deletion is the only thing that a wiki admin cannot reverse. | 02:02 |
| phillw | there is no trace, there is no way to recover unless the person has followed the wiki rules of backing up every page and image that they mark for deletion. | 02:04 |
| phillw | pleia2: the images were attached to the page, the logs show - quite clearly, that they have been manually deleted.] | 02:06 |
| pleia2 | phillw: can you give me an example? | 02:06 |
| pleia2 | maybe I'm not going far back enough in history | 02:07 |
| phillw | pleia2: look at the edit history.... | 02:07 |
| phillw | follow it back | 02:07 |
| pleia2 | oh I see, the "view" is showing up but showing the icons he replaced it with, not the old branding | 02:07 |
| pleia2 | anyway, he can certainly give more info than I can :) | 02:09 |
| phillw | pleia2: you know I'm persona non gratis, but deleting all the icons from a library is simply silly | 02:09 |
| pleia2 | there was certainly discussed rationale behind all the changes, but again, he can fill you in | 02:10 |
| phillw | such things make it more difficult for me to be an advocate for linux | 02:10 |
| phillw | pleia2: As I recall, deleting things was totally against wiki rules... you HAVE to make a back up.... Have things changed since I resigned? | 02:12 |
| pleia2 | a lot has changed, knome spent several days after our discussions fixing up the IconsPage, documenting his work and updating all related wiki pages that had the icons | 02:13 |
| pleia2 | it was a broken link mess before he began his work, it looks much cleaner and easier to navigate and use now | 02:14 |
| pleia2 | anyway, time for me to get some rest | 02:14 |
| phillw | pleia2: well knowing knome, he will have back ups | 02:14 |
| phillw | knome: can you please have a read back and let me know where you backed up the artwork to. Many thanks. | 02:21 |
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| knome | phillw, i'll have to dig up if i have the artwork backed up. is there something specific you need? | 09:03 |
| phillw | knome: all of it :) several teams provided artwork to the central source at my behest in varying sizes for wiki pages to use from a central source that would never be deleted. | 09:03 |
| knome | so who's missing what? | 09:03 |
| phillw | We had an issue where someone vandalised a wiki page and the art work was deleted.... I trust that backups have been taken this time. | 09:03 |
| knome | the whole point of the IconsPage update was to make the icons througout the wiki look consistent | 09:03 |
| phillw | knome: Read the file of alterations... not too difficult? | 09:03 |
| phillw | knome: indeed, but the artwork has to be moved to a new area. The rule of wiki is "never delete, without a backup"... Unless you have decided to break that rule.... | 09:03 |
| knome | it's possible i have. | 09:04 |
| knome | i need to check up my backups, i might have them somewhere | 09:04 |
| knome | but i'm really more interested about what is actually missing from somebody? | 09:04 |
| phillw | So, the artwork would be on "...old artwork" :) | 09:04 |
| knome | if they are missing any admonition icon, i'll gladly upload it for them | 09:04 |
| knome | and make sure it's consistent | 09:04 |
| knome | i understand your concern, but unless somebody actually needs something that isn't there, it'll be on my "wishlist" list :P | 09:05 |
| phillw | I had no idea that the artwork of people provided across teams would simply go / vanish / not be available. I did a review of that area and stated it was *THE* place to put artwork on that could be referenced from the wiki system..... | 09:08 |
| phillw | I'm still wondering why you deleted stuff :( | 09:08 |
| knome | the IconsPage mainly consisted of two kinds of icons: | 09:09 |
| knome | 1) icons pulled from various icon themes in various sizes | 09:09 |
| knome | these are still available in the original icon themes if somebody specifically misses them | 09:09 |
| knome | but they shouldn't be used on the wiki since they do not look consistent | 09:10 |
| knome | instead the contributors should use the new icons, or ask for more if the selection isn't broad enough | 09:10 |
| knome | 2) oversized application "header" images and other very miscellanous stuff | 09:10 |
| knome | those that was *IN USE* were moved to the appropriate pages | 09:10 |
| knome | say there was an 300x200px "app x" header image | 09:11 |
| knome | linked to from AppX | 09:11 |
| knome | it's now an attachment of AppX, since it has *no other use* | 09:11 |
| knome | the ones that weren't used were simply deletable material anyway | 09:11 |
| knome | there were some custom icons too, | 09:12 |
| knome | but those are either preserved/updated | 09:12 |
| knome | or weren't in use | 09:12 |
| knome | *all* wikipages that linked to *any* of the images in the IconsPage are updated to link to the new icons | 09:12 |
| knome | and/or their new locations under the appropriate wikipages | 09:13 |
| knome | now let me ask you again... | 09:13 |
| knome | is there something specific you are missing, or would you just want to see the old ugly wikipage? | 09:13 |
| phillw | knome: I'm guessing you *HATE* https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/FAQ | 09:13 |
| knome | no, that's fine | 09:13 |
| knome | it's consistent. | 09:13 |
| knome | it uses the round ubuntu icons. great | 09:14 |
| phillw | it has been deleted | 09:14 |
| knome | ...no? | 09:14 |
| phillw | by you | 09:14 |
| knome | that page? | 09:14 |
| phillw | no, the page that held it... in this case I actually uploaded it to the page and did not link it to the library, had I done so... it would be gone... as are all the others you deleted... Do you not see what you have done by deleting a library? | 09:16 |
| knome | hmm, let's be clear here | 09:17 |
| knome | i was working on the *community wiki* | 09:17 |
| phillw | indeed | 09:17 |
| knome | i don't expect other wikis to interlink | 09:17 |
| knome | if you've done that, and something is lost, i'm sorry | 09:17 |
| knome | i don't hate any page | 09:17 |
| phillw | Who empowered you to delete art work provided by the community? | 09:18 |
| knome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IconsPage | 09:18 |
| knome | i didn't touch that page. | 09:18 |
| knome | just to be sure we're talking about the same thing. | 09:19 |
| knome | i don't see a reason to continue this discussion as you seem to want to finger point at me | 09:19 |
| knome | it's unfortunate that some pages you maintain have broken images, and it wasn't really my intention | 09:19 |
| phillw | I owe you a rather large apology, It is that page I thought you had removed ... | 09:20 |
| knome | no, | 09:20 |
| knome | i cleaned up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/community/IconsPage | 09:20 |
| knome | err | 09:20 |
| knome | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IconsPage | 09:21 |
| phillw | I blame google :P I do recall there was confusion... it appears that there still is | 09:21 |
| knome | if i'd cleaned up the developer wiki IconsPage, i would have made sure any icon on it that was used was *somewhere* | 09:21 |
| knome | and tbh, the developer wiki IconsPage would need a cleanup as well | 09:22 |
| phillw | 3 pages saying 'icons'..... not good :( | 09:22 |
| knome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IconsPage?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=beepmediaplayer.png | 09:22 |
| knome | that isn't a "common use case" "icon" | 09:22 |
| knome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IconsPage?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=IconHandPointing.png | 09:22 |
| knome | and that isn't by any standards consistent with the ubuntu style | 09:22 |
| phillw | So... who is the self appointed council of "standards consistent with the ubuntu style" ? | 09:23 |
| knome | either it's obivious to you or not | 09:24 |
| knome | *obvious | 09:24 |
| phillw | It may be obvious to me (and it is), but there is no feed back to people posting art-work up | 09:27 |
| phillw | I'd love to suggest to point people to UBT, but that does not exist and no one takes any care of budding graphics people.... | 09:27 |
| knome | hmh, well | 09:28 |
| knome | the situation in the community wiki is okay now | 09:28 |
| knome | since it's cleaned | 09:28 |
| knome | if somebody posts an icon that is a bit "off", we can just fix that | 09:28 |
| knome | if people post those as attachments to single pages... not much we can do | 09:28 |
| knome | we can even find all pages that use a certain icon (fortunately) | 09:30 |
| phillw | knome: tell me, we have yet another major overhaul of both lubuntu wiki areas pending..... But, we'll get that done... If we find a padawan along the way, would you be prepared to assist him / her ? | 09:31 |
| knome | since i've just got rid of responsibilities, not at this time ;) | 09:31 |
| knome | but i'm always around for the odd question here and there | 09:32 |
| phillw | okies, I'll bear that in mind and during the re-write of the 2 sections of lubuntu wiki (dev and community) I'll try to also update things to the new standard icons :) | 09:33 |
| knome | if you're poking at wiki.ubuntu.com, don't link to help.ubuntu.com | 09:34 |
| phillw | Thank you for putting up with me and allowing me to understand how things have changed | 09:34 |
| knome | because there is no way to trace that path | 09:34 |
| knome | the problem with the developer wiki is that there is a huge amount of stuff that is maintained by somebody | 09:35 |
| phillw | I do know the two are seperate, I used to be a wiki editor person :P | 09:35 |
| knome | and they are probably more touchy about somebody touching their stuff | 09:35 |
| knome | yeah, just making sure | 09:35 |
| knome | because it *is* tempting to do that now that the community wiki icons page is clean | 09:36 |
| phillw | knome: If I wrongly edited a page that our Head of Dev (lubuntu) looks after... He'd simply arrange a contract killing. - Motto of the story?... Don't mess with MOTU's :D | 09:37 |
| knome | ;) | 09:38 |
| phillw | and as you are one, you know that :) | 09:39 |
| phillw | knome: Thanks for your time, We have new TL for comms and he's making me dust the cobwebs off my wiki stuff :) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming/+spec/lubuntu-website | 09:45 |
| phillw | Crazy thing? I'm really enjoying it :) | 09:45 |
| knome | :) | 09:47 |
| knome | good luck | 09:47 |
| phillw | knome: even though I'm no longer "ubuntu" let the doc team know that I'll help out where I can. just not in release team :P | 09:51 |
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