[01:52] <mapps> hmm
[01:52] <mapps> this show coppers on 4seven..edl protestors and uaf
[01:53] <mapps> all look exactly like youd imagine..shaved heads for edl..uaf loads of odd balls
[06:10] <Myrtti> oh my god what a brilliant feeling it is to have slept enough
[06:10] <Myrtti> GOOD MORNING
[06:15] <MooDoo> howdy all
[06:21] <mapps> morning Myrtti / MooDoo
[07:07] <robotninja> mornin' all
[07:08] <MooDoo> good morning
[07:56] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Endangered Species Day! :-D
[08:08] <ujjain> What is a chair called that you would use in a garden, outside that's actually like a bed, because you can really lie down on it, it's plastic.
[08:20] <popey> ujjain: recliner?
[08:20] <popey> ujjain: or sun lounger
[08:21] <popey> ujjain: uk-lo-2.static.podcast.ubuntu-uk.org
[08:21] <popey> oops
[08:21] <popey> ujjain: www.amazon.co.uk/tag/sun%20lounger/products
[08:21] <ujjain> that's perfect, thanks!
[08:23] <popey> np
[08:32] <foobarry> someone called mark shuttleworth has an account on our HPC cluster :-|
[08:35] <popey> ☻
[08:37] <foobarry> "Mark Stephen Shuttleworth"
[08:37] <foobarry> looks like a real person, he's logged in
[08:37] <popey> not him
[08:37] <popey> well, not our one
[08:37] <MooDoo> he's normal sabdfl isn't he?
[08:37] <popey> his middle name is richard
[08:37] <foobarry> anagram of RMS?
[08:37] <popey> never see them in the same room
[08:38] <jussi> and the beard thing is scary...
[08:39] <jussi> (has he still got the beard?)
[08:44] <Myrtti> nobody denies it, so it must be true
[08:44] <foobarry> how do i fix "stdin: is not a tty error" prodcued by a crontab that runs bash -l -c ?
[08:44] <awilkins> ? http://tech.karbassi.com/2011/11/09/stdin-is-not-a-tty/
[08:44] <foobarry> oh, i think i fixed it
[08:44] <foobarry> i applie the change but it did not take straight away
[08:44] <foobarry> i accidentally emailed 600+ users with a test message yesterday :(
[08:44] <foobarry> fortunately it was not rude
[08:44] <popey> he has
[08:44] <foobarry> rms was born with a beard
[08:44] <MooDoo> https://rms.sexy/
[08:45] <foobarry> never clicking that link
[08:45] <MooDoo> lol
[08:51] <awilkins> That link is *awesome*
[08:51] <awilkins> RMS ignores the beautiful surroundings in favour of his laptop in _so_many_places_
[08:52] <awilkins> Sometimes the setting also includes cans of soda
[08:52] <awilkins> Also, sometimes his has a ThinkPad. Other times he has that other laptop we can't remember but it's more Free.
[09:03] <foobarry> oolong
[09:03] <foobarry> or something
[09:03] <diddledan> isn't that what the martians sing in jeff wayne's?
[09:03] <diddledan> sing/scream
[09:03] <davmor2> diddledan: The chances of anything coming from mars are a million to one they said
[09:03] <diddledan> but still, they come
[09:03] <davmor2> that'll be oooooooo laaaaaaaaaaa
[09:03] <foobarry> just fell off my chair, literally
[09:03] <foobarry> the back just snapped off
[09:03] <foobarry> i went flying
[09:03] <diddledan> lol
[09:03] <foobarry> i'm not even a bloater
[09:03] <davmor2> hahahaha
[09:03] <diddledan> sorry, I souldn't laugh
[09:03] <davmor2> diddledan: no you say are you okay, then laugh
[09:03] <diddledan> a dad would say "what did you do that for?"
[09:06] <diddledan> http://rt.com/news/159304-proton-rocket-crashed-kazakhstan/ <-- saboutage?
[09:06] <diddledan> speliign?
[09:09] <bashrc> morning
[09:14] <ujjain> Are liquors expensive at Testco?
[09:14] <ujjain> Tesco
[09:15] <foobarry> wrong chan ujjain
[09:15] <ujjain> is there a offtopic ubuntu uk?
[09:16] <foobarry> well this goes offtopic a lot because there are a lot of regulars in here, but if you arrived to ask that questions specifcially, then its prob the wrong chan.
[09:16] <ujjain> well, I'm looking to buy jagermeister for my birthday party, people can come, just looking for a good price.
[09:16] <foobarry> tesco is not too expensive
[09:16] <ujjain> well, I use ubuntu and live in the UK since recently
[09:17] <selinuxium> Morning all. having some fun and game trying to upgrade a server from 10.04 to 14.04.
[09:17] <foobarry> asda might be a bit cheaper, but there's probably not too much in it
[09:19] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:21] <diplo> selinuxium, big upgrade :(
[09:21] <diplo> Though then again, my home box upgrade from 10.04 to 12.04 quite well
[09:21] <selinuxium> diplo. Sorry... i meant i was going form 10.04. to 12.0 4 ... then to 14.04
[09:21] <selinuxium> Failing on the 10.04 tio 12.04
[09:23] <diplo> What issue are you getting ?
[09:23] <diplo> Just promised to make a brew, back in 2 mins
[09:23] <popey> hi updated a vps from 10.04 to 12.04 this week
[09:23] <popey> might go to 14.04 at some point
[09:28] <selinuxium> 'Think' I may of found it... I will let you know... :)
[09:33] <TwistedLucidity> Is 14.04 out yet for servers? I thought we have to wait for 14.04.1
[09:33] <TwistedLucidity> ?
[09:34] <selinuxium> Had 'E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks' looked in '/var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log' and found that unixodbc was flapping... removed it with apt-get remove and now all is groovy.
[09:36] <DJones> TwistedLucidity: The automatic offer of upgrade isn't set yet, that doesn't come till 14.04.1 (I think 24th July)
[09:36] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity, the upgrade path isn't stable between 12.04.x and 14.04 until the .1 release
[09:36] <TwistedLucidity> Thanks - thought so
[09:36] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity, that doesn't prevent you from doing it anyway, and you can always install a new 14.04 without waiting
[09:37] <brobostigon> opensim setup again, now to build the perfect virtual pub, :)
[09:37] <TwistedLucidity> I think I'll wait - had issues on the desktop machines going to 14.04
[09:37] <TwistedLucidity> So don't want to risk the server until things are more stable
[09:37] <diddledan> I've upgraded 6 servers without problem
[09:38] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Clearly you do not have my magic touch :-S
[09:39] <TwistedLucidity> brobostigon: https://simtk.org/home/opensim/ ?
[09:40] <TwistedLucidity> Ah, the other one. A bit like OpenWonderland. Interesting.
[09:40] <brobostigon> TwistedLucidity: opensimulator.org
[09:52] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~gwendal-lebihan-dev/+archive/cinnamon-stable
[09:52] <popey> how is that private?
[09:53] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~gwendal-lebihan-dev/+archive/cinnamon-nightly is public - I didn't realise individuals could have private PPAs
[09:55] <selinuxium> popey, How is the syncthing going?
[09:55] <popey> works for me ☻
[09:56] <selinuxium> I am using Opencloud atm... was thinking of giving it a go..
[09:59] <foobarry> whats this canonical orange box?
[10:00] <selinuxium> looks amazing... Trying to get the business to buy me one as a dev box.
[10:00] <foobarry> got a link to article?
[10:00] <foobarry> please
[10:00] <popey> blog.dustinkirkland.com/2014/05/the-orange-box-cloud-for-free-man.html
[10:00] <foobarry> ta
[10:00] <diddledan> foobarry, it's cluster-in-a-box
[10:01] <foobarry> how much?
[10:02] <popey> depends
[10:02] <selinuxium> 40 cores, 160GB of RAM, 1.2TB of solid state storage... *drools*
[10:02] <popey> Primary use case is you get the box and some training from canonical for a couple of days, keep the box for a couple of weeks
[10:02] <foobarry> so landscape is still a thing?
[10:02] <popey> yes
[10:03] <popey> then send it back, and migrate to big boys cloud
[10:03] <foobarry> we are looking for openstack providers for big cluster upgrade next yr
[10:03] <foobarry> so would be up our st
[10:15] <MooDoo> foobarry: 7k basic up to 9k with 2tb drives ish!
[10:15] <MooDoo> foobarry: if you wanted to purchase one for yourself that is :D
[10:15] <popey> thats if you wanted to buy it
[10:16] <MooDoo> yeah just said that :D
[10:16] <popey> which I suspect most people wouldn't
[10:16] <popey> i typed before you pressed enter
[10:16] <MooDoo> hehe
[10:17] <directhex> http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/05/13/world_of_warcraft_gender_switching_why_men_choose_female_avatars.html
[10:22] <popey> hah, that's brilliant
[10:24] <foobarry> In fact, it’s all about the butts. Because players see their avatars from a third-person perspective from behind, men are confronted with whether they want to stare at a guy’s butt or a girl’s butt for 20 hours a week
[10:24] <foobarry> should have " "
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> there's also the gift factor
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> Somehow, if you're playing a female character, random people start giving you thigns
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> loot
[10:25] <foobarry> like irl in bars
[10:38] <directhex> i've opted to play female characters given the choice since street fighter 2
[10:40]  * davmor2 complete blames diddledan for the fact that I'm now listening to War of the Worlds
[10:40] <diddledan> lol
[10:40] <MooDoo> davmor2: no one would of believed that
[10:40] <popey> i played a female in 2nd life
[10:41] <popey> for the cumulative hour or two i ever went onto it
[10:41] <diddledan> I play a female at the weekend
[10:41] <directhex> i mostly play narrative-focused games rather than online games, and i pick female avatars because their stories are more interesting. i already know the outcome of that game where a badly shaved space marine guy shoots the aliens.
[10:42] <directhex> VERY few games with both choices actually pick up on them in the content, though. mass effect did, dragon age did, fallout new vegas did a little
[10:42] <jussi> I play heroes 3 mostly as a male, but sometimes use the female. thing is, I chose not based on gender but what they can do...
[10:42] <davmor2> diddledan, popey: I'm not sure which is more stomach churning :)
[10:43] <directhex> yeah it's different when you're looking at specific characters with specific traits
[10:43] <directhex> the guys get heavy armour, the women get bows & arrows, usually
[10:43] <directhex> but, y'know, why? maybe the story of the female barbarian would be interesting
[10:43] <davmor2> diddledan: or are thieves mages
[10:44] <davmor2> directhex: even sorry
[10:44] <directhex> also, grr @ chainmail bikinis
[10:44] <ikonia> directhex: the old C64 game barbarian 2 had a slightly different story for the female player, so even back then it was a trait
[10:44] <davmor2> directhex: you wear a chainmail bikini this is a whole new side to you
[10:45] <diddledan> chainmail bikini because the boobs are vital, but the stomach isn't
[10:45] <davmor2> I beat they chaff I'm not supprised you don't like them :D
[10:45] <directhex> diddledan, apparently so
[10:46] <diddledan> directhex, and obviously the bad guys always aim for the boobs with their swords
[10:46] <diddledan> ok, that sounds risqué
[10:48] <directhex> good female armour in sword-heavy games needs to do the absolute opposite of what they do - i.e. plate over the boobs which sticks out means a sword hitting them would get funnelled towards the (unprotected) heart
[10:48] <directhex> it should stick out past the bustline in the middle, or be flat against the bust
[10:49] <jussi> directhex: but, but, but appearances! :P
[10:49] <davmor2> directhex: I have to say this, You know it's only a game right ;)
[10:50]  * bashrc is not familiar with gladiator fashion
[10:50] <MooDoo> watch the film :)
[10:50] <davmor2> bashrc: no don't watch sparticus it's much better
[10:51] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Commas are important. :-)
[10:51] <davmor2> bashrc: no don't, watch sparticus it's much better
[10:52] <davmor2> :P
[10:52] <foobarry> spartacus the film or spartacus the porno thats shown late at night on obscure channel
[10:53] <jussi> no, I'm sparticus!!!
[10:53] <jussi> foobarry: ...
[10:53] <davmor2> foobarry: thats just wrong
[10:55] <diddledan> foobarry, I don't want to know about your spartacus' sword
[10:55] <directhex> davmor2, it's hardly inclusive to make the female characters there purely as eye candy for pervy male players
[10:56] <davmor2> directhex: yes that's how they sell the games in the first place :)
[10:58] <jussi> directhex: and what about the pervy female player? (see, you are making asumptions about men also... ;D )
[10:58] <diddledan> jussi, are you suggesting something?
[10:59] <jussi> diddledan: only that its wrong to assume only men are pervy...
[10:59] <davmor2> directhex: You'll notice 9 times out of 10 you either have the male heros with scantily clad maidens swooning or the female hero at the front with the male characters you're actually likely to use faded in the background and that's just the cover of the game
[10:59] <directhex> jussi, male characters in western games aren't designed to match what female players find attractive, according to countless surveys on the matter
[11:00] <jussi> it would be an interesting excercise to see how they would be designed if they were...?
[11:01] <TwistedLucidity> As IT (including games) is male dominated, you get the male fantasy.
[11:01] <TwistedLucidity> Simply because there aren't enough women devs to give the inout
[11:01] <TwistedLucidity> "input"
[11:01] <diddledan> lol @ inout
[11:01] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity, freudian euphemism
[11:01] <diddledan> ?
[11:01] <jussi> oops...
[11:01] <TwistedLucidity> Or the "O" being beside "P"
[11:04] <TwistedLucidity> Someone should to a game where the female character is a muscle-bound freak and the male character runs around in chainmail "Speedos"
[11:04] <TwistedLucidity> Actually, that would be rather hilarious
[11:38] <shauno> both of these things are awkwardly possible in WoW :/
[11:46] <directhex> generally not
[11:46] <directhex> see also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egNGa41tRac
[12:00] <TwistedLucidity> directhex: ROFL
[12:16] <Myrtti> I wonder if a realistic timetable for a day excursion in London would be a walk in Belgravia and possibly seeing Buckingham Palace and then Forbidden Planet and then home
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> that would be a morning or an afternoon for me
[12:20] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: I'd rather timetable less and do stuff spontaneously than fill my day with possibly unrealistic expectations of what I'll manage to see and then be disappointed
[12:20] <Myrtti> the only fixed thing is that Belgravia walk has to happen before 1500
[12:22] <brobostigon> forbidden planet :)
[12:24] <Myrtti> (as the whole point of the trip to London is to go vote)
[13:02] <diddledan> xzip blows my mind
[13:02] <diddledan> 21MB text file down to 1.3M
[13:03] <davmor2> diddledan: what does 7zip do to it
[13:03] <diddledan> haven't tried 7zip
[13:03] <diddledan> don't have that installed
[13:03] <diddledan> xz comes out-of-the-box
[13:04] <davmor2> diddledan: try it sometime
[13:09] <shauno> I never realised how useful ears are :/  I have some inner-ear thing going on.  my hearing is messed up, my balance is messed up, and I'm getting carsick sat at my desk
[13:11] <diddledan> shauno: still gets motion sick, eh? look at me, steady as a rock, we could go forward backward up down...
[13:11] <diddledan> ID4 quotes FTW
[13:11] <jussi> shauno: you aren't supposed to drink at work...
[13:11] <jussi> :P
[13:12] <davmor2> diddledan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7472940/
[13:12] <davmor2> diddledan: looks like a similar kind of ratio to xz
[13:13] <diddledan> davmor2: 3.5:1 is comparable to 20:1?
[13:14] <davmor2> diddledan: I did default xz on the same file got 4562
[13:14] <diddledan> aah
[13:14] <davmor2> diddledan: as I same pretty similar
[13:18] <davmor2> diddledan: -rw-r--r-- 1 davmor2 davmor2 2799504 Dec 14 16:32 whf-tax.pdf.xz   -rw-r--r-- 1 davmor2 davmor2 2799502 Dec 14 16:32 whf-tax.pdf.7z  a whole 2 in it :)
[13:18] <davmor2> diddledan: on a plus side 200000 smaller than the original pdf :)
[16:05] <Myrtti> peanut butter + chili noodles = wow
[16:06] <palnj> popey, are you guys doing 14.04 CDs, or is that not a thing anymore?
[16:06] <popey> it is a thing
[16:06] <jpds> Myrtti: World of Warcraft?
[16:06] <popey> shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1146
[16:08] <palnj> Is this not valid anymore, then?
[16:08] <palnj> http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/
[16:09] <popey> nothing to do with me, that's AlanBell
[16:09] <shauno> pre-orders for 12.10?  ;)
[16:13] <daftykins> lol.
[16:14] <palnj> The current state of my internet isn't helping either :/
[16:14] <daftykins> oh?
[16:14] <daftykins> i'm sure it's better than dial-up and ISDN :>
[16:17] <palnj> T-Mobile EDGE tethered to my laptop...barely getting 15kbps
[16:17] <daftykins> omw, why on earth do you use that?
[16:17] <palnj> No goddamn 3G coverage in my area
[16:17] <palnj> Well my broadband's been down for a few weeks...typical Sky.
[16:19] <palnj> Seriously they've just postponed activating my fiber optic for 2 weeks because BT need 4 weeks notice to change line rental.
[16:19] <daftykins> !
[16:19] <palnj> At least it isn't dial-up, though. Paying for internet per minute? *shudders*
[16:21] <daftykins> ehehe
[16:21] <daftykins> palnj: are you after a substantial quantity for a loco, or just ones for personal use?
[16:24] <palnj> Just personal use.
[16:24] <daftykins> what do you do for keeping up to date, or if new installs have problems?
[16:24] <daftykins> e.g. with hardware support
[16:26] <palnj> 12.04 works pretty damn nicely on my current machine, after little to no modification.
[16:26] <daftykins> mmm, i've seen a lot of that not being a transferrable truth over in #ubuntu support though
[16:28] <palnj> Really? Hardware-wise? I've actually never had that problem on any machine I've stuck Ubuntu on.
[16:28] <palnj> Lucky me, I guess.
[16:28] <daftykins> hehe
[16:28] <daftykins> you must not have anything up to date enough or with awkward wireless adapters
[16:29] <daftykins> or any desire for proprietary graphics drivers
[16:29] <palnj> Not really, no. xD
[16:30] <palnj> But 12.04 works flawlessly on my macbook
[16:31] <palnj> There was just an annoying thing with the keyboard backlight being set to 100% on every reboot
[16:31] <palnj> But that was since fixed.
[16:31] <daftykins> impressive
[16:32] <palnj> Impressive that I didn't do anything? If you say so.
[16:41] <daftykins> palnj: no that it works so well on a mac
[16:47] <daftykins> hrmm i might be scoring a second desk and a chair for free \o/
[16:56] <davmor2> popey: supercat to the rescue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbEnGoqFnko
[18:05]  * Monotoko facepalms
[18:06] <daftykins> ?
[18:07] <Monotoko> a PHP script I've been chasing around for the past hour... I was echoing out the values, then trying to work out why in the comparison, it was dying out
[18:08] <Monotoko> turns out missing an = sign and using if ($saved_hash = "") sets saved_hash to nothing and screws it all up
[18:26] <popey> we've all been there
[19:56] <mapps> well thats a tad annoying
[19:56] <mapps> my chromecast wont seem to work with iplayer
[19:56] <mapps> youtube works fine..but it just says error connecting when trying iplayer
[20:16] <diddledan> is there a celebration today? fireworks have just been let-off
[20:16] <diddledan> two screaming rockets which upset the entire neighbourhood dog contingent
[20:21] <shauno> russia invades amazingstoke?
[20:25] <diddledan> hmm, facebook are shutting down xmpp chat
[20:26] <brobostigon> oh dear.
[20:29] <diddledan> https://developers.facebook.com/docs/apps/changelog right at the bottom there's a footnote
[20:29] <diddledan> rumour is that'll be 30th April next year for the switchoff
[20:31] <brobostigon> thank you, i will read.
[21:01] <MattJ> In other news, for anyone who runs an XMPP server - many servers will begin requiring encryption to communicate with them (either as a client or another server on the network), from Monday
[21:01] <MattJ> as per https://github.com/stpeter/manifesto/blob/master/manifesto.txt
[21:07] <popey> Evening all.
[21:07] <popey> Also, Jabber \o/
[21:07] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[21:08]  * popey looks forward to having a Jabber client on his ubuntu phone one day
[21:09] <MattJ> I hope it'll be a good one