[08:37] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey and others
[08:41] <kbmonkey> Kilos, 0/
[08:47] <kbmonkey> superfly, is that the underground maze you talk about?
[10:11] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[10:11]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[10:11] <charl_> good afternoon
[10:11] <charl_> hi Kilos, kbmonkey 
[10:15] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[10:15] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[10:15] <Maaz> charl_: Okay :-)
[12:17] <thefatmunky> hi all…linux/ubuntu newbie here…hoping someone can help me get my installation up and running, battling a bit. thanks
[12:20] <charl_> hi thefatmunky 
[12:20] <charl_> just ask, don't ask to ask :)
[12:20] <thefatmunky> oh ok, thanks
[12:23] <thefatmunky> i’m trying to dual boot on a mac (macbook pro 8.2), 1st i tried refit, now refind boot manager, getting the same result, tried v14.04 and also 12.04, both doing the same thing, boot, choose bootable usb with linux on, gets to where it says will load kernel next and then screen just goes black/blank, anyone familiar with this?
[12:28] <charl_> yes
[12:28] <charl_> i don't know your method
[12:28] <charl_> but i have developed an extensive solution a couple of years back
[12:28] <charl_> https://github.com/ushahidi/Ubuntu_MacBook_Pro_8.1
[12:28] <charl_> yours is one version later
[12:29] <charl_> i would assume what works on 8.1 would work on 8.2 as well
[12:29] <charl_> but i can't guarantee that of course
[12:29] <charl_> you can compare the lshw dump if you like
[12:29] <charl_> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ushahidi/Ubuntu_MacBook_Pro_8.1/master/lshw.txt
[12:30] <charl_> i created a bootable usb flash drive with syslinux
[12:30] <charl_> the only issue i had was with the wireless
[12:31] <charl_> i needed to install a very strange hack to get that going
[12:31] <charl_> i don't know if this is at all still relevant on ubuntu 14.04
[12:31] <charl_> they probably long fixed it already
[12:31] <charl_> i don't have the MBP anymore so i can't compare
[12:31] <thefatmunky> thanks charl_! will have a look at that and give it a go
[12:31] <charl_> look at the create script and the method i used there to create the usb flash drive
[12:31] <thefatmunky> do you know if 14.04 works on older macs like the 8.2?
[12:31] <charl_> i would assume it does, i have no idea
[12:31] <thefatmunky> ok, tx
[12:33] <thefatmunky> i created my bootable usb with “Linux usb builder”, worked great and very simple
[12:33] <charl_> i'm not familiar with this tool
[12:33] <charl_> but i have grown weary of all these automated tools
[12:33] <charl_> i have had many problems and now prefer to do things manually
[12:34] <charl_> then at least i have control over what happens and know where to look in case it doesn't work
[12:34] <charl_> you don't know what all these automated tools do underwater
[12:34] <charl_> but i guess, if it works, it works
[12:36] <thefatmunky> if i still don’t come right, anyone know of a place in jhb where i can take my mac and have it installed?
[12:38] <charl_> make contact with the glug
[12:39] <charl_> there *might* be somebody who is willing to help you
[12:39] <charl_> i can warn you, a lot of linux people are really anti-apple
[12:41] <thefatmunky> thanks, will try do that
[12:42] <charl_> :)
[12:42] <charl_> good luck !
[12:42] <charl_> i'm off ttyl
[12:42] <thefatmunky> thanks, cheers
[13:17] <Kilos> hi thefatmunky hang here. we had someone that did an install on a mac just recently
[13:18] <Kilos> anyway welcome to ubuntu-za
[13:18] <thefatmunky> hi kilos
[13:18] <thefatmunky> thanks
[13:18] <Kilos> ill try remember who it was or when the clever peeps get online tonight im sure well find who it was
[13:19] <thefatmunky> thanks so much
[13:19] <Kilos> might be a guy called xethron
[13:19] <Kilos> but feel free to stay here and once its working you can stay here anyway
[13:19] <Kilos> hehe
[13:20] <Kilos> have some coffee meantime
[13:20] <thefatmunky> :)
[13:20] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[13:20]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[13:20] <Kilos> just type in maaz coffee please and youll get a cup of cyber coffee
[13:20] <thefatmunky> lol, cool
[13:22] <Kilos> there is a tool called unetbootin for making install flash drives
[13:22] <thefatmunky> maaz coffee please
[13:22] <Maaz> thefatmunky: Righto
[13:22] <Kilos> not sure if it will work on a mac
[13:22] <Kilos> Maaz, google unetbootin for mac
[13:22] <Maaz> Kilos: "UNetbootin - Homepage and Downloads" http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ :: "UNetbootin, Universal Netboot Installer | Free software downloads at ..." http://sourceforge.net/projects/unetbootin/ :: "Fixing UNetbootin on Mac OS X to create a Bootable Linux USB" http://tech.anoj.net/2013/01/fixing-unetbootin-on-mac-os-x-to-create.html :: "How to create a
[13:22] <Maaz> bootable USB stick on OS X without UNetbootin in ..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K1TajD3z…
[13:23] <thefatmunky> tried it, after it created the bootable usb it said something like “only for use on a pc” 
[13:23] <Kilos> cant a mac boot from usb?
[13:24] <thefatmunky> managed to get it created with “linux usb builder”
[13:24] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and thefatmunky!
[13:24] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[13:24] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[13:24] <thefatmunky> seems like it starts the install and then it just goes black/blank after the message loading kernel
[13:25] <Kilos> there might be some tricks to making a mac human friendly
[13:25] <Kilos> im too stupid for that but others will be able to help im sure
[13:26] <Kilos> the brains will be here tonight
[13:39] <kbmonkey> charl_, Kilos hello
[13:39] <kbmonkey> hi thefatmunky 
[13:40] <thefatmunky> hi kbmonkey
[13:40] <Kilos> hi charl_ do you remember who installed ubuntu onto a mac some weeks back?hi my mon
[13:40] <Kilos> we got another monkey here too
[13:40] <Kilos> now you can share bananas
[13:40] <thefatmunky> :P :)
[13:43] <Kilos> kbmonkey, what mac experience you got lad
[13:43] <Kilos> ?
[13:44] <kbmonkey> har harhar, funny Kilos 
[13:44] <Kilos> lol
[13:44] <kbmonkey> to answer your question Kilos : null
[13:45] <Kilos> i think it was xethron that installed onto a mac some weeks back
[13:46] <kbmonkey> Dunno. but I read in the Linux Voice magazine they going to have articles on doing just that
[13:46] <thefatmunky> mac prob not the best machine to get started on but all i have right now, now just to get the damn thing to work
[13:47] <kbmonkey> all I know is they make it tricksy to boot anything other than osx :(
[13:47] <kbmonkey> but it can be done apparently
[13:48] <kbmonkey> have you tried anything so far thefatmunky ?
[13:50] <thefatmunky> well i tried both refit and refind as boot manager to see if the problem is not there, but still doing so, then also i tried 14.04 first and then 12.04 but also doing so….battled to get the usb bootable on mac but then got past that and now stuck here…starts the install, gets to loading kernel then just ends there, black/blank screen
[13:51] <kbmonkey> this is the intel based mac you have thefatmunky ?
[13:51] <thefatmunky> yes
[13:53] <kbmonkey> does refit detect your ubuntu installation? 
[13:53] <thefatmunky> it detects the usb with it on, i select it, it starts and gets to that point yes
[13:53] <kbmonkey> I have to ask because I am not sure if you meant it booted half way, or did not boot at all
[13:53] <kbmonkey> ah
[13:54] <Kilos> idea
[13:54] <Kilos> can you run the ubuntu live?
[13:54] <kbmonkey> what is the last thing you see printed out before it hangs thefatmunky ?
[13:54] <Kilos> dont go the install toute and see if it works as a live stick first
[13:54] <thefatmunky> hehe…live?
[13:55] <thefatmunky> last thing is loading kernel
[13:55] <kbmonkey> usually if the usb boot hangs or crashes, we suggest you check if your ISO download is not corrupt
[13:55] <thefatmunky> oh, run it off the stick?
[13:55] <Kilos> ubuntu has two choices
[13:55] <Kilos> try and install
[13:55] <kbmonkey> yes it runs off the stick directly into memory
[13:55] <Kilos> and everything works then?
[13:56] <thefatmunky> can try that
[13:56] <thefatmunky> brb
[13:56] <Kilos> also it will put an install icon on the desktop that you can double click and try install that way
[13:56] <Kilos> oh my
[13:56] <kbmonkey> for when he comes back
[13:56] <kbmonkey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/MacOSX
[13:57] <Kilos> i go fetch sheep quick
[13:58] <kbmonkey> okay
[14:08] <thefatmunky> sorry guys, back
[14:08] <Kilos> wb thefatmunky 
[14:08] <Kilos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/MacOSX
[14:08] <Kilos> my monkey found that link for you
[14:09] <thefatmunky> thanks
[14:12] <thefatmunky> have to run, will check in later, cheers all
[14:13] <kbmonkey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How%20to%20install%20Ubuntu%20on%20MacBook%20using%20USB%20Stick
[14:13] <kbmonkey> that is the link I should have given first
[14:50] <Kilos> Xethron, hello
[14:50] <Kilos> are you the ubuntu onna mac guy
[15:44] <bushtech> anybody know how to set zsync to start at specific time? Need to zsync a large file and want it to start at 5 past 12 so I use my free cap
[15:49] <bushtech> zsync runs as a command in terminal so presumably some standard terminology will work
[16:50] <bertus> hey guys
[16:50] <bertus> does anyone know how to change wallpapers in xubuntu?
[16:51] <Trixar_za> Right Click, Desktop Properties?
[16:51] <Trixar_za> Er, Preferences, not Properties
[16:51] <Trixar_za> lol
[16:52] <Trixar_za> Oh wait no, I'm using PCManFM to manage the desktop - I'm just using XFCE4's window manager
[16:53] <Trixar_za> With XFCE it's Desktop Settings...
[16:53] <Trixar_za> But you can still access it from the right click
[18:05] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:06] <Kilos> nearly had to do a reinstall
[18:06] <Kilos> lost my nm-applet
[18:40] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:20] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[19:20]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[19:20] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[19:20] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[19:24] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[19:24] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks  man
[19:24] <Maaz> no probs, Kilos
[19:42] <superfly> bushtech_: cron
[19:44] <Kilos> evening superfly 
[19:45] <superfly> hi Kilos
[19:45] <superfly> when's the next meeting?
[19:45] <Kilos> 27th superfly 
[19:45] <Kilos> you got some new ideas for us?
[19:45] <superfly> I think it's in my diary
[19:46] <Kilos> ill send out reminders before
[19:46] <Kilos> or get the pro too anyway
[19:51] <bushtech_> superfly: thanks, reading up cron, will have a bash at it
[19:54] <superfly> bushtech_: back in the day when Telkom had their R7 for all night special, and I still had dial up, I used to make my server dial up to the internet at 5 past 7 at night and kill the connection at 6:55 the next morning, except for weekends, where I'd dial up on a Friday night and kill the connection on Monday morning
[19:54] <superfly> using cron
[19:55] <bushtech_> Thats exactly what I'm trying to
[19:56] <bushtech_> So do I add somethinf like this in front of my  zsync command:1 0 * * * 
[19:57] <bushtech_> Do I need to do any cron setup beforehand?
[19:58] <superfly> sudo crontab -e
[19:58] <superfly> (edit cron)
[19:58] <superfly> that should kick off at 1 minute past midnight
[19:59] <superfly> or just "crontab -e" to use your own crontab (not the system one)
[20:01] <bushtech_> so I put my whole zsync command into the cron file as a line and start it with something like 1 0 * * * 
[20:01] <bushtech_> ?
[20:01] <superfly> yes
[20:02] <superfly> isn't that what it tells you?
[20:02] <bushtech_> Ah. million thanks. Got it
[20:02] <bushtech_> yep, just read it lol
[20:05] <superfly> kbmonkey: did you find my maze?
[20:05] <superfly> kbmonkey: I also built a castle (sortof)
[20:19] <superfly> night everyone