[00:00] <daftykins> ridethespiral: ah ok, so i take it you're always able to start the 14.04 live session fine since you've installed from it several times, it's only ever the first boot that goes funny?
[00:00] <whoever> ridethespiral: 32gb there is no way you can get linux and windows on the same dive and sustain them
[00:00] <Beldar> whoever, read the posts
[00:00] <daftykins> whoever: you didn't read in enough detail, that's only where Windows' bootloader is
[00:01] <ridethespiral> Well the live USB would freeze and do the same thing so I tried holding shift while booting to get to some recovery dealio or something and it managed to boot without freezing. I then installed and it will boot and login to desktop but freeze. ( I have autologin)
[00:02] <ridethespiral> Then I tried hitting control alt f1 while booting and got this http://tinyurl.com/ndy3nq9 daftykins
[00:03] <TheBabyDerp> hey peoples
[00:03] <TheBabyDerp> anyone here
[00:03] <TheBabyDerp> anyone?
[00:04] <Beldar> TheBabyDerp, Many state your issue.
[00:04] <whoever> ridethespiral: is trim on , on your ssd
[00:04] <SyL> I'm getting an error when mysql starts that it can't read my ssl certs. but it has full permissions. Any ideas?
[00:05] <TheBabyDerp> how many channels are in this irc chat
[00:05] <Beldar> !ot > TheBabyDerp
[00:05] <TheBabyDerp> i never got your pm
[00:06] <Beldar> TheBabyDerp, When you join a channel read it's policy and activities, this is ubuntu support.
[00:06] <TheBabyDerp> dude i am just looking for chat rooms peace out
[00:06] <ridethespiral> whoever can I check that from recovery? I thought 12.04+ detected ssds and enabled trim
[00:06] <Beldar> ridethespiral, Not in linux per-say
[00:07] <Beldar> you haver to set up a cron trim or run it manually
[00:07] <ridethespiral> I have
[00:08] <ridethespiral> When I first installed 12.04 a long time ago I did
[00:08] <SilverSlimer> hey guys, small problem with ubuntu. on occasion, when waking from sleep, i get black borders around windows. logging out and back on fixes it but i'm wondering if there's a permanent solution
[00:08] <Beldar> ridethespiral, Are you installed, I have not followed all the posts?
[00:08] <ridethespiral> I may have forgotten at one fresh install though.. Probably she. I installed Ubuntu studio 12.04 a couple months back
[00:08] <ridethespiral> Yes
[00:09] <Beldar> ridethespiral, You would have to set up trim on any install, and not an issue here to be honest.
[00:09] <SilverSlimer> 14.04  btw . i assume my issue is one with compiz
[00:09] <ridethespiral> Installed but when hooting (
[00:09] <ridethespiral> Oops
[00:09] <Beldar> !bootinfo | ridethespiral do this and pastbin the output
[00:10] <Beldar> ridethespiral, also please gey used to starting any answer to another with their nick,
[00:10] <Beldar> get*
[00:10] <ridethespiral> Beldar sorry I'm using my phone no tab button :(
[00:11] <ridethespiral> Hitting up other pc now lol
[00:11] <Beldar> ridethespiral, If you don't use a nick, you get lost in the shuffle, we all don;t just stare at the monitor waiting.
[00:11] <ridethespiral> Beldar I know
[00:12] <Beldar> ridethespiral, So tun that bootinfo script it has a lot of info on it that is helpful
[00:12] <Beldar> run*
[00:12] <ridethespiral> Beldar I'm booting my working live USB of 12.04.3 right now
[00:12] <Beldar> use a live cd as you need acces to that HD ridethespiral
[00:12] <Beldar> cool
[00:13] <ridethespiral> I appreciate the willingness of everyone's help
[00:13] <ridethespiral> :)
[00:13] <daftykins> just promise me you'll come and tell me what the answer was once you solve it
[00:13] <allen> hey guys
[00:13] <daftykins> i love solving mysteries
[00:13] <daftykins> allen: hi
[00:14] <allen> so i'm running ubuntu/unity for the first time , can i add stuff to the bar at the top, like a weather applet or something of that nature ?
[00:15] <ridethespiral> daftykins will do
[00:15] <Beldar> allen, http://www.howtogeek.com/118908/10-awesome-indicator-applets-for-ubuntus-unity-desktop/  see if this one works.
[00:16] <ridethespiral> alright on an actual pc beside my laptop now lol
[00:16] <daftykins> \o/
[00:16] <allen> Beldar, thanks i'll give it a go, just got something installing right now, so i have to wait a min
[00:17] <mrdeb> hi. how do u go into 2d mode
[00:17] <Beldar> mrdeb, what release?
[00:18] <allen> i have to say, this seems to be running much faster than Mint did
[00:18] <mrdeb> the one now
[00:18] <mrdeb> the 1404 ubuntu
[00:18] <mrdeb> it is too slow on machines for xp
[00:19] <Beldar> mrdeb, http://askubuntu.com/questions/421148/unity-2d-on-trusty-14-04  about 3 seconds to find.
[00:19] <mrdeb> what 3 seconds
[00:19] <ridethespiral> Beldar, can you link to that script again
[00:19] <Beldar> mrdeb, Finding on the web what you could have. searched with 14.04 2d
[00:20] <Beldar> !bootinfo > ridethespiral
[00:20] <mrdeb> that is not necessary
[00:20] <mrdeb> ok, so it is there
[00:21] <Beldar> mrdeb, what is not necessary, reminding you how easy it is to find stuff?
[00:21] <mrdeb> that is also a bad answer
[00:21] <mrdeb> i know lxde
[00:22] <kkkkkkkkk> anoyne uses ubuntu and have a nvidia card??????
[00:23] <kkkkkkkkk> ubuntu 14.04
[00:23] <daftykins> kkkkkkkkk: lots of people do, what's your question?
[00:23] <Beldar> mrdeb, You did not say what desktop, very little info to work with to be honest.
[00:24] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, my ubuntu 14.04 was crashing when i play cs ssource, i have nvida card
[00:24] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, the system freezes, an happen nvidia fallen off us
[00:24] <kkkkkkkkk> bus
[00:24] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, i uninstalled virtualbox, and the crash disapeared
[00:25] <daftykins> ah-har, perhaps virtualbox's kernel modules were interfering somehow
[00:25] <daftykins> kkkkkkkkk: did you try different nvidia driver versions to see if it still happened with all of them?
[00:25] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins,  i tried diferent driver, diferent kernel version, and the same crash
[00:26] <daftykins> but only when virtualbox was on?
[00:26] <daftykins> was/is
[00:26] <ridethespiral> Beldar, know where i can upload this txt file?
[00:26] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, the crash occured just when i am playng cs source
[00:26] <daftykins> ridethespiral: paste.ubuntu.com
[00:27] <Beldar> ridethespiral, You have to copy and paste it is all
[00:27] <ridethespiral> Beldar, paste.ubuntu.com/7481080/
[00:27] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, the system freezes, cpu fan goes 100%, cpu workload too
[00:27] <SchrodingersScat> kkkkkkkkk: why did you mention virtualbox then?
[00:28] <daftykins> kkkkkkkkk: any other steam games?
[00:28] <kkkkkkkkk> SchrodingersScat, because i would like to know if anyone had this issue too
[00:29] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, i play dota2, metro last light, and the system doesnt crash
[00:29] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, just cs source
[00:29] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, nvidia fallen off bus
[00:29] <Hazzard> I'm having trouble booting after upgrading to 14.04. I would put all the details here, but there's always so many conversations going on here at the same time. I posted on the forum: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2224744
[00:29] <Hazzard> If anyone has any suggestions that would be awesome
[00:30] <Beldar> ridethespiral, First I see no gpt partitioning or uefi boot.
[00:30] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, i have tested a large number of kernels and nvidia drivers, but the system always crashed
[00:30] <daftykins> kkkkkkkkk: what about with 12.04 ?
[00:30] <ridethespiral> Beldar, which means? o.o
[00:30] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, and always during cs source gameplay
[00:31] <ubuntuaddicted> i have some files on a NAS that are for some reason hidden. the NAS shares the folder out via SMB and I can't set the owner, it errors out as invalid argument
[00:31] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, with ubuntu 12.04 too, system crash
[00:31] <Beldar> ridethespiral, Well, you were getting info as if from the channel in this area without anyone actually checking, or you knowing.
[00:32] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, i dont understand the relation of cs source with virtualbox and nvidia driver
[00:32] <daftykins> kkkkkkkkk: it sounds to me like your system has more issues that may not even be ubuntu related
[00:32] <ridethespiral> Beldar, thus the getting no where quick? :P
[00:32] <Beldar> ridethespiral, sda5 and sda3 are missing all the needed grub stuff to boot, what is in them exactly?
[00:32] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, when i uninstalled virtualbox, i started cs source, and i play during 1 hour without crash
[00:32] <ridethespiral> sda5 & 3 are root and /boot partitions
[00:33] <daftykins> kkkkkkkkk: that's not a very thorough test
[00:33] <ridethespiral> Beldar, root and /boot afaik
[00:33] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, i read a post that someone says that had this issue too
[00:33] <ridethespiral> Beldar, that's what I intended...
[00:34] <Beldar> ridethespiral, So you just wanr ubuntu on the ssd=sda?
[00:34] <Beldar> want*
[00:34] <Beldar> just ubuntu?
[00:34] <daftykins> kkkkkkkkk: and did they resolve it?
[00:34] <ridethespiral> Beldar, yes, with /home on /dev/sdb
[00:34] <kkkkkkkkk> kkkkkkkkkk te post doesnt say the solution
[00:35] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, i think they doesnt hava the idea to uninstall virtualbox
[00:35] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, and test without it
[00:35] <Beldar> ridethespiral, I never make a separate home, that is really old school and pushed to much, ubuntu advises one partition. However you can seperate the home if needed.
[00:36] <ridethespiral> Beldar, weird because I've seen it recommended many times. People with 128gb SSD have their /home on 2tb hdd's ...
[00:36] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, i installed vmware as alternative of virtualbox, and until now i have no crash anymore
[00:36] <ridethespiral> (desktops that is)
[00:36] <ridethespiral> Beldar, I see no reason it shouldn't be applicable in modern pc's even
[00:36] <Beldar> ridethespiral, Sure people do all sorts of things from a confirmation bias state.
[00:37] <daftykins> kkkkkkkkk: sooo, where's the problem?
[00:37] <ridethespiral> Beldar, so should I try an install of everything just on the 32gb ssd?
[00:37] <ridethespiral> lol
[00:38] <ridethespiral> Beldar, remember I've had this partition setup for two years with no issues until the last week
[00:38] <Beldar> ridethespiral, and that is supposed to mean what?
[00:39] <ridethespiral> Beldar, that I don't see why it would cause issues now. Not trying to be snarky :P I'm not that pro at linux lol
[00:39] <Beldar> ridethespiral, Any way that is an easy install to the ssd, I'm not sure what the problems have been.
[00:39] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, the problem is that wilhe i was playing cs source on my notebook, if vvirtualbox modules is loaded the system crashes
[00:40] <daftykins> kkkkkkkkk: right but you removed that and changed to vmware?
[00:40] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, i dont know what is causing the issue
[00:40] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, yes
[00:40] <daftykins> kkkkkkkkk: but you've avoided it?
[00:40] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, and the system stopped crashing when i start to play cs source
[00:41] <daftykins> you're going in circles :)
[00:41] <ridethespiral> Beldar, fresh install of 14.04, freezes @ desktop
[00:42] <ridethespiral> Beldar, that's the issue
[00:42] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, i dont know if its a nvidia driver bug, or cs source or virtualbox
[00:42] <Beldar> ridethespiral, freezes exactly how?
[00:42] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, i know that i uninstalled the vbox and the system stopped to crash
[00:42] <zombu2> where n t you here yeaterday with your laptop with the broken radeon?
[00:43] <ridethespiral> Beldar, it loads a few windows (terminal, software centre, firefox) and then just freezes. I can't move the mouse or do anything. That's what I'm trying to figure out. What exactly is causing it
[00:43] <ridethespiral> brb fooooood
[00:43] <zombu2> ram or hdd
[00:43] <zombu2> or video card
[00:43] <ridethespiral> zombu2, how to know...?
[00:43] <zombu2> is that still that i5 with that radeon
[00:44] <kkkkkkkkk> daftykins, because of this happen to me i questioned if someone has nvidia and virtualbox installed, and if hava this same issue
[00:44] <Beldar> ridethespiral, You checked if the OS is swapping?
[00:44] <ridethespiral> zombu2, yes
[00:44] <juki_> how do you check if the OS is swapping?
[00:44] <zombu2> throw it away
[00:44] <ridethespiral> LOL
[00:44] <thumpba> i have a new installation of 14.04 and am unable to send logs from one ubuntu server to another
[00:44] <ridethespiral> 12.04.3 works fine
[00:44] <ridethespiral> 14.04 all hell breaks loose
[00:44] <daftykins> kkkkkkkkk: it's unlikely you'll find someone in here with that exact setup, you'd be better off either posting a thread to the ubuntu forums, steam forums, or askubuntu.com
[00:45] <Beldar> juki_, number of ways I have a conky show it.
[00:45] <zombu2> did you check the ram like you promised
[00:45] <thumpba> i can ping the log server just fine but cant on port 23 for telnet
[00:45] <ridethespiral> zombu2,  no :( I fell asleep lol
[00:45] <zombu2> well get going then
[00:45] <ridethespiral> alright
[00:45] <zombu2> then do the video stress test
[00:45] <ridethespiral> zombu2, on windows 7?
[00:46] <zombu2> on whatever
[00:46] <daftykins> thumpba: what do you mean by 'cant on port 23' ? can't what on port 23?
[00:46] <zombu2> and like you stated last night you seeing artifacts on that card so something is broken
[00:46] <thumpba> daftykins: im unable to telnet to the log server nor ping on port 23 which is telnet port
[00:47] <zombu2> prolly that piece of shit radeon
[00:47] <daftykins> thumpba: ping is the ICMP protocol, you cannot ping a port number
[00:47] <thumpba> daftykins: if i drop the port then i can pint
[00:47] <thumpba> i cannot telnet. i get connection refused
[00:47] <daftykins> thumpba: the service isn't running on the other end then
[00:47] <juki_> daftykins: example?  is that like 127.0.0.1:23
[00:47] <ridethespiral> zombu2, lolol :(
[00:48] <ridethespiral> zombu2, next laptop I'm definitely making sure it is linux compatible >.<
[00:48] <zombu2> you laughing heh i m still pretty sure that radeon is busted
[00:48] <ridethespiral> zombu2, it is lol
[00:48] <ridethespiral> zombu2, but I disable it and it works in 12.04
[00:48] <zombu2> well time to take ol roy out the back yard
[00:48] <ridethespiral> well, 12.04 works
[00:48] <daftykins> juki_: that'd be a socket, i'm not sure what you're asking me
[00:48] <ridethespiral> just seeing if I can get 14.04 going
[00:49] <thumpba> juki_: exactly
[00:49] <zombu2> well even when you disable it it is still going since it is the default
[00:49] <daftykins> thumpba: telnet is not a secure protocol and you cannot ping a port number :)
[00:49] <zombu2> can t turn em off really
[00:49] <juki_> ohh, i misread your comment daftykins, i thought you said to ping the protocol
[00:49] <daftykins> hah
[00:49]  * zombu2 slaps juki_ with a small netserver
[00:50] <daftykins> zombu2: please stay on topic.
[00:50] <zombu2> ok with a small port 23 then
[00:51] <asarch> This is the dmesg from the Xen kernel:
[00:51] <asarch> http://sprunge.us/ZBTA
[00:52] <asarch> It won't work with my laptop, right?
[00:52] <thumpba> daftykins: you can ping a specific port number ex: ping 127.0.0.1 -p 22
[00:52] <daftykins> why do you want to run Xen?
[00:52] <daftykins> thumpba: lol no you can't
[00:52] <asarch> I would like to learn to use it daftykins
[00:53] <daftykins> asarch: it's not the primary virtualisation technology supported by ubuntu, so you're likely to find a lot of issues
[00:53] <asarch> The funny thing is, this same laptop works with Xen in OpenSuse
[00:54] <daftykins> thumpba: ping is part of the ICMP protocol, it simply doesn't work with ports
[00:54] <daftykins> asarch: sure, different OS, different kernel
[00:54] <asarch> Oh :-(
[00:55] <thumpba> daftykins: gotcha, so nmap would be more reliable then
[00:55] <zombu2> well since you can t ping a port yes haha
[00:56] <daftykins> thumpba: indeed, since it can port scan... but you have access to the system you're trying to hit port 23 on correct? so just run "netstat -tuln" there to see what ports are listening
[00:56] <zombu2> ufw could block that port too
[00:56] <daftykins> thumpba: i'd be very surprised if a system has telnet open though... not very safe at all
[00:56] <qbex> ola
[00:57] <qbex> gatinha?
[00:57] <hggdh>  actually, the ideal is to use traceroute to trace a TCP port (not UDP). Or tcptraceroute. Ping is limited to ICMP, which a lot of dumb firewall block completely
[00:58] <daftykins> hggdh: traceroute does not trace ports ¬_¬
[00:58] <zombu2> mehehe
[00:58] <daftykins> oh deary me, i seem to have slipped into the place where networking logic goes to die
[00:58] <zombu2> i m sure we gonna hear a couple more whoppers
[00:59] <hggdh> daftykins: yes, it does. inetutils-traceroute does not, though
[00:59] <pedrocr> how can I tell ubuntu to forget my PGP key passphrase?
[00:59] <pedrocr> I want to be asked the passphrase on every usage for safety
[00:59] <ridethespiral> after memtest hits 100% pass it will start over again right?
[01:00] <daftykins> ridethespiral: yep, tends to be nice to do at least two passes
[01:00] <zombu2> yes let it run for hours
[01:00] <zombu2> the longer you run it the better the chance to find bad ram
[01:00] <ridethespiral> I will zombu2 just making sure it will restart
[01:00] <zombu2> it will just loop
[01:01] <ridethespiral> kewl. Either way I'm saving up for a new laptop >.<
[01:01] <zombu2> note shared video ram will not be tested
[01:01] <daftykins> ridethespiral: how far did things progress with the last round of help?
[01:01] <ridethespiral> I posted my boot script log and went nowhere lol
[01:01] <juki_> will you expand on shared video ram zombu2?
[01:01] <zombu2> huh?
[01:01] <daftykins> ridethespiral: booting isn't the issue though, right?
[01:02] <ridethespiral> daftykins, it boots fine, I have autologin enabled, it loads the desktop and a few windows and freezes
[01:02] <ridethespiral> on 14.04
[01:02] <zombu2> daftykins he has a radeon card in the laptop which is primary
[01:02] <ridethespiral> 12.04.3 works fine
[01:02] <juki_> ridethespiral: have you disabled desktop effects?
[01:02] <daftykins> zombu2: who?
[01:02] <ridethespiral> zombu2 yes, but why would 12.04.3 work fine
[01:03] <Beldar> worked
[01:03] <zombu2> different driver
[01:03] <chadcld> hello
[01:03] <zombu2> could use different mem locations
[01:03] <Beldar> works sounds as if still installed
[01:03] <zombu2> you could also pull ram sticks out and boot and see if it makes a difference
[01:04] <ridethespiral> zombu2, in 12.04.3, ubuntu installs and boots fine but runs really really hot. so I disable the radeon with an acpi_call module (who many do with _working_ radeons)
[01:04] <zombu2> i d pull the rams and try each
[01:04] <daftykins> ridethespiral: yours has a faulty AMD discrete GPU?
[01:04] <Geo> how do I tell which partition does what via commandline? ie, swap, /boot, etc?
[01:04] <zombu2> yup
[01:05] <zombu2> has artifacts
[01:05] <daftykins> Geo: sudo fdisk -l
[01:05] <ridethespiral> yes daftykins, when I select "discreet" in bios it boots to radeon defaulted with artifacts, but still works and I can use the computer (though artifacted)
[01:05] <Geo> Right, but which is what
[01:05] <daftykins> Geo: identify the file systems then mount them and look at the contents
[01:05] <Geo> I got swap
[01:05] <Geo> But looking at fdisk, I have 160gb, on a 80gb disk
[01:05] <Geo> something isnt right there :P
[01:05] <ridethespiral> daftykins, right now I'm in 'switchable' graphics mode
[01:06] <daftykins> Geo: can you pastebin the output from fdisk -l to show me?
[01:06] <zombu2> also they could have used a i5 with a faulty video hence they used radeons in em
[01:06] <daftykins> ridethespiral: ok and those are the only two options?
[01:06] <ridethespiral> daftykins, yes
[01:06] <ridethespiral> zombu2, i5 gfx works fine
[01:06] <zombu2> it just freezes huh
[01:07] <ridethespiral> zombu2, in 14.04 yes, not in 12.04.3
[01:07] <daftykins> ridethespiral: i don't really like the use of your old install's /home and having it setup for auto login etc, i think i saw someone advising you to try just installing to the SSD as a test? did you consider that?
[01:07] <ridethespiral> daftykins, no I asked about it but don't believe I got a response
[01:07] <ridethespiral> daftykins, right now I'm doing memtest lol
[01:07] <daftykins> zombu2: you are seriously stretching ideas here, the likelihood of anything you've been suggesting is seriously low that i have to disbelieve it from the start
[01:08] <Geo> daftykins: apparently not, pastebinit seems to have kicked the can after this upgrade, and I only have CLI
[01:08] <daftykins> i-series processors don't get sold with faulty on-die GPUs afaik
[01:08] <zombu2> daftkins tell that to the gateway laptop i got here :P
[01:08] <daftykins> Geo: can't reinstall it? :)
[01:08] <daftykins> zombu2: hmm?
[01:08] <zombu2> i5 gpu is bad and amd card is busted too
[01:08] <ridethespiral> lol
[01:09] <zombu2> amd card desoldered
[01:09] <ridethespiral> that's why windows 7 works without a hitch
[01:09] <Geo> daftykins: seems to be a python thing
[01:09] <ridethespiral> ?
[01:09] <Geo> not interested in troubleshooting that now
[01:09] <daftykins> zombu2: well that cannot be common, lovely story though ;)
[01:09] <zombu2> heh
[01:10] <daftykins> ridethespiral: so do we know whether you've got EFI or legacy installs yet?
[01:10] <zombu2> remember those dells with them nvidia cards
[01:10] <zombu2> same crap
[01:10] <daftykins> offtopic.
[01:10] <daftykins> keep on message please
[01:10] <zombu2> not really
[01:10] <daftykins> yes, yes it is
[01:11] <ridethespiral> daftykins, was it you that linked to the explaination of efi?
[01:11] <zombu2> it was an addition to the laptop issue regarding you blowing off the ideas i presented
[01:11] <ridethespiral> ~efi
[01:11] <ridethespiral> !efi
[01:11] <Beldar> daftykins, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7481080/ ridethespiral's bootinfo
[01:11] <daftykins> ridethespiral: yeah
[01:11] <ridethespiral> nvm :)
[01:11] <daftykins> Beldar: ty
[01:11] <zombu2> :P
[01:11] <Beldar> no prob
[01:13] <Geo> so, theres no way to see what partition is mounted where?
[01:14] <zombu2> df -h
[01:14] <zombu2> should show you
[01:14] <Geo> zombu2, looking for swap, boot, etc
[01:14] <zombu2> gparted or disk util
[01:14] <daftykins> Geo: 'sudo fdisk -l' will show one partition as swap, and others as ext4, yes?
[01:14] <zombu2> disk util will show you mount points
[01:15] <daftykins> or whichever filesystem
[01:15] <thumpba> daftykins: i do have access to the system that im trying to hit port 23 on
[01:15] <Beldar> Geo, I have to wonder what the end goal is here?
[01:15] <daftykins> thumpba: so run "netstat -tuln" on it
[01:15] <thumpba> daftykins: got it
[01:15] <Geo> I'm down to this- sde5=swap, sde6=/home. That leaves me with a "Linux" partition marked as boot, and an "Extended" partition
[01:16] <thumpba> thanks
[01:16] <Geo> but assuming blocks is listed in KB, there is more partition space than disk drive
[01:17] <daftykins> Geo: you really don't have any way of getting info off this system and online so we can see fdisk's output? not even a photo of the display?
[01:17] <daftykins> i think you're just going wrong with your maths
[01:17] <Beldar> or thst is one magical hd
[01:17] <Beldar> that*
[01:18] <Geo> oh, fstab, fuh
[01:18] <Geo> what was the path where you can match UUID to /dev assignment?
[01:18] <Geo> /something/by-uuid/
[01:18] <daftykins> path? /dev surely
[01:19] <Beldar> sudo blkid
[01:19] <jcstarken> intel built in video sony vaio 12.04 lts how do I know I am running the best video drivers
[01:20] <Beldar> jcstarken, The repos have what is available, is it running fine? Intel stuff has never been a problem here.
[01:21] <Geo> what are the default partitions on an ubuntu install? /, swap, and one more, right?
[01:21] <jcstarken> Beldar: I believe it is I just think sometimes the video is not as clear as it was on windows and I know that it can be
[01:21] <Beldar> Geo, Two partitions the os and a swap
[01:22]  * woof-woof spits on the channel's floor.
[01:22] <Geo> hrm
[01:22] <Geo> well then I definitely have a mystery partition
[01:22] <jellow> Geo, /home ?
[01:22] <daftykins> Geo: provide fdisk's output.
[01:22] <Geo> I have that accounted for
[01:23] <Beldar> jcstarken, I would identify the hardware exactly and use that here in this inquiry, and or look on the web, I suspect what you have is what is available.
[01:23] <ridethespiral> !efi
[01:24] <rww> !uefi
[01:24] <rww> ubottu: efi is <alias> uefi
[01:24] <rww> !efi
[01:24] <rww> !-efi
[01:24] <rww> oh, lol
[01:24] <jcstarken> Beldar: Thank you
[01:25] <Beldar> ridethespiral, none of your installs are running a uefi install, nor do you have gpt partitions.
[01:25] <Aenima> This is ridethespiral lol. Now I remember whybi don't use this old pos computer. Something is wrong with it haha. Back to my phone and fixing the laptop :/
[01:25] <thumpba> daftykins: wouldnt 'ufw disable' turn off the fw and allow the server to listen on all ports
[01:26] <daftykins> thumpba: i have told you to run 'netstat -tuln' if you could provide the output of that we could stop going around in circles with this conversation :)
[01:26] <Aenima> Beldar I'm going to do a fresh install with everything on home. Am I safe to erase the windows boot on SDA?
[01:26] <wheatthin> thumpba, depends on which profile you turn it off on
[01:26] <Geo> would a mdadm raid partition show up twice in fdisk?
[01:26] <Beldar> Aenima, Hold on let me look at that script.
[01:27] <thumpba> daftkins: i did run it http://hastebin.com/odadekaroc.hs
[01:27] <thumpba> im used to centos and iptables stop to disable fw
[01:27] <thumpba> just trying to do the same for this ubuntu system
[01:28] <daftykins> thumpba: so there is nothing running on port 23.
[01:28] <daftykins> thumpba: are you sure you're not meant to be thinking of SSH, not telnet...
[01:28] <Geo> ah! here's the pastebinit issue- why does my resolv.conf keep resetting itself after each reboot?
[01:29] <thumpba> daftykins: im sure....ssh is 22
[01:29] <daftykins> Geo: because that's how it works :) check this out https://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[01:29] <Beldar> Aenima, THe windows install in sdc has all the correct boot info to boot without the sda1, however an easy test would be to put the HD windows is on forat to be read and se if it boots straight to windows.
[01:30] <daftykins> thumpba: ok so what are you running on the first system that's trying to contact the other?
[01:30] <Beldar> Aenima, Notice in that script that a HD can be changed as how they are read, windows shows as sdc there.
[01:30] <Aenima> Beldar in grub there are to entries for win 7, sda1 and sdb1 iirc. You mean SDB?
[01:30] <Aenima> Two*
[01:30] <daftykins> thumpba: also your output shows you put an IP after 'netstat -tuln' which is not what i asked for :(
[01:30] <Beldar> Aenima, In the script it is seen as sdc is all, a anomaly of using a usb to boot ubuntu at times.
[01:31] <thumpba> daftykins: shows the same http://hastebin.com/cajavebado.hs
[01:32] <Beldar> Aenima, So boot the drive windows is on is what I mean, bypassing that sda1 windows boot just to make sure the windows boots without it.
[01:32] <Aenima> Beldar well it boots from both entries in grub.
[01:32] <Aenima> Beldar sda1 and sdb1
[01:33] <Beldar> Aenima, All I'm doing is covering the bases, I don't brick computers, anything can happen, I don't want you coming back saying windows does not boot now.
[01:34] <Beldar> lol
[01:34] <ajlemke> I had a problem with low graphics mode a few weeks ago and some one told be to run a command to fix it.  I don't remember what it was and the problem is back again.  Anyone know how to fix this.
[01:35] <Aenima> Beldar understandable. I'm just going to drop 14.04 and reinstall 12.04
[01:35] <Geo> adding dns-nameservers to interfaces file should fix this then, right?
[01:35] <daftykins> ajlemke: did they get you to run something in the terminal?
[01:35] <ajlemke> daftykins: Yes
[01:36] <daftykins> ajlemke: open the terminal and type "history" and read back until you find it
[01:36] <Aenima> Beldar not worth the headache I'm causing myself and others lol
[01:36] <Geo> there we go
[01:37] <Geo> daftykins: paste.ubuntu.com/7481297
[01:38] <Geo> note how sde5 lives in the middle of sde2
[01:38] <daftykins> you seem to have stumbled upon the kind of quirky setup your in-laws get you to look at one uneventful Christmas
[01:40] <Geo> so I know sde5 is swap, sde1 is / ... I am pretty sure 6 is my raid, but what is 2?
[01:41] <daftykins> 2 is an extended partition
[01:41] <daftykins> in the MBR spec, four partitions can be primary, but after that to have more, partitions have to be logical drives
[01:41] <daftykins> logical drives only exist within an extended partition
[01:42] <daftykins> so ultimately, 5 and 6 are within 2
[01:42] <daftykins> so there are only 3
[01:42] <Geo> ah
[01:43] <Geo> wonder how that got there
[01:43] <Geo> because clearly it wasnt me who did that
[01:43] <Geo> ...
[01:43] <Geo> clearly.
[01:43] <daftykins> it could've been auto
[01:44] <daftykins> i'm puzzled as to why your single disk has a single partition claiming to be RAID however? :)
[01:44] <Geo> actually, yeah, I think I did choose auto partition when I built this
[01:44] <Geo> excellent segue!
[01:44] <daftykins> was this part of a RAID 1 setup and the other disk is dead?
[01:44] <Geo> so now, phase II - I'm adding a new, larger disk to the RAID 1 this is in, and want to partition it to match, only with larger partitions. I should duplicate this structure exactly then, correct?
[01:45] <Geo> excatly re: partion #s
[01:45] <Geo> not size
[01:45] <daftykins> i'm missing the start of the story
[01:45] <daftykins> is this one disk from a RAID-1 pair, the other of which is dead?
[01:46] <Geo> well, removed
[01:46] <Geo> still alive, but upgrading the raid
[01:46] <daftykins> sooo, don't you have two new disks of the same size?
[01:46] <ry> hello, i have a ubuntu 14.04 system with a dm-crypted root disk.. -usually- prompts for password during the boot process to unlock itself. recently rather than prompting for a password it drops into a initramfs shell ("alert! /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root does not exist"). i booted up with a live cd to verify everything was intact and I'm able to mount the /dev/sda3 with my password using cryptsetup luksOpen, but I can't figure out how t
[01:46] <ry> o get the install to work properly again (prompt me for a pw to decrypt root during the boot process) -- does anyone have any ideas/advice on how to proceed? (get ubuntu prompting me for a pw to unlock root on boot rather than not finding ubuntu--vg-root and dropping to a initramfs shell?) Thanks
[01:46] <Geo> I do have two new disks of the same size, this is the *old* disk of the smaller size.
[01:47] <Geo> I intend to mirror this to the new disk, then remove the old, and mirror again to the second of the new
[01:47] <daftykins> Geo: that's a really nasty approach :) just setup the new pair then copy the data
[01:47] <Geo> I don't have the connectors for that
[01:47] <daftykins> you don't RAID-1 across differing disk sizes
[01:47] <daftykins> how-so?
[01:47] <daftykins> don't have 4 SATA cables?
[01:48] <Geo> IDE in this case
[01:48] <Geo> and no
[01:48] <daftykins> omw, did you steal this from a museum?
[01:48] <_victor> hola
[01:48] <_victor> buenas noches sala
[01:48] <Geo> if you feel strongly about that, you are free to send me a new server
[01:49] <_victor> spanish?
[01:49] <daftykins> Geo: i'm not familiar enough with mdadm setups,if this is one, to help any further really
[01:49] <daftykins> !es | _victor
[01:49] <Geo> no worries
[01:49] <Geo> I am familiar, actually
[01:49] <Geo> but never seen this extended partition stuff
[01:50] <daftykins> it's been true for a veeeeeeery long time
[01:50] <daftykins> i learnt about primary DOS partitions, extended partitions and logical drives back in the Windows 3.11 and DOS era
[01:50] <daftykins> but anyway i'm off topic
[01:50] <Geo> Yeah... I was A+ long ago as well
[01:51] <Geo> havent used that knowledge in a long time
[01:51] <daftykins> Geo: but yeah you could just setup one of the new disks on its' own, copy the data, then i'm pretty sure you can setup an mdadm setup by telling it to clone to the second new disk then all will be well
[01:51] <Geo> I could, but then its using the small partitions still
[01:51] <Geo> that would be easy
[01:52] <Aenima> How big does /boot need to be? Is 256mb fine?
[01:52] <daftykins> Aenima: is that you still mr.spiral?
[01:52] <daftykins> i'd call a round 300MB plenty
[01:53] <daftykins> Geo: nah i mean setup the first of the new disks with your intended partition sizes
[01:53] <rypervenche> Aenima: It's more than enough.
[01:53] <Aenima> daftykins indeed other PC is useless lol.
[01:53] <Geo> doesn't quite work that way
[01:54] <LinksEz2> Does RDP pass sound?
[01:54] <daftykins> the protocol can yes, you need to enable it in your client
[01:54] <Geo> I can partition the full space on the disk, but mdadm will only track the smaller size until I can get both new disks in
[01:54] <rypervenche> Aenima: So long as you don't keep a million kernels on your system, it's fine. Once you start getting a bunch you can manually uninstall the old ones and it will free up space in your /boot partition.
[01:54] <Geo> I'm trying to avoid re-assembling it twice
[01:54] <Geo> thats the issue
[01:55] <LinksEz2> @daftykins tried it using remmina,  sound won't work local though.
[01:55] <daftykins> Geo: i understand, though i have hardware RAID5s that took 18+hrs to build
[01:55] <daftykins> LinksEz2: 'local' ?
[01:55] <LinksEz2> Gives me options for sound off, sound remote ( host system ) and sound local ( to the client )
[01:56] <Geo> 11 is my usual avergae time
[01:57] <daftykins> LinksEz2: hmm, not familiar with that client
[01:57] <Aenima> Not sure why the partition manager in 12.04 install keeps skipping numbers for disks (eg sda1 sda3 sda5) hmm
[01:57] <LinksEz2> Didn't work in teamviewer or the other client i tried either.
[01:57] <LinksEz2> :(
[01:57] <daftykins> LinksEz2: perhaps it's the other end... check the sound options once you're in
[01:59] <daftykins> Geo: i wonder if you can't just dd the whole lot and then resize later :D
[01:59] <daftykins> anywho i must go now so i wish you luck
[02:06] <kompletelykrazy> ...
[02:06] <kompletelykrazy> anyone here?
[02:07] <qin_> Aenima: that's ok: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=170085
[02:08] <Aenima> qin_ thx
[02:11] <Scandisk> x
[02:13] <ridethespiral> Why is Ubuntu using fglrx experimental on fresh installed?
[02:13] <ridethespiral> 12.04
[02:13] <phunyguy> might be required for your card.
[02:14] <grendal_prime> anyone here set up novnc (html5 vnc client)  successfully?
[02:14] <grendal_prime> im having a hell of a time.
[02:15] <ridethespiral> Well I removed fglrx experimental and reinstalled normal fglrx and 12.04 is installed and working. I'm notbtouching 14.04 until I get a new laptop xD
[02:16] <ridethespiral> Thanks everyone that tried to help me :)
[02:17] <ridethespiral> I will have more questions when updated and favourite apps are installed. (How to install 3.11 lowlatency driver for music production)
[02:21] <Geo> ok, got new disk 1 synch'ing
[02:21] <Geo> about an hour, not too horrible
[02:24] <Pr0jectRec0n> Quick question - I had kubuntu on my HDD - now I got another SSD and installed elementary on it
[02:25] <Pr0jectRec0n> I want elementaryOS SSD to be the first to boot- instead it always goes to the HDD first (I guess the HDD is the master?) - how do I quickly change this?
[02:26] <Beldar> Pr0jectRec0n, elementaryOS is not supported here try their channel or #grub
[02:26] <Pr0jectRec0n> but ubunu/kubuntu is invoilved as well
 Quick question - I had kubuntu on my HDD, "had"
[02:26] <Pr0jectRec0n> and this isn't more about the OS..
[02:27] <Pr0jectRec0n> Beldar, I still have it - I just don;t want it to be the first to boot
[02:27] <SierraAR> I'm running Ubuntu 13.04 in VMWare Player, and I'm having an issue with the sound not working. In the message log for VMWare, I'm seeing this: 'A device ID has been used that is out of range for your system. Sound will be disconnected.' Any idea on what could be causing that?
[02:28] <daftykins> SierraAR: 13.04 is end of life, no support sorry
[02:28] <Beldar> Pr0jectRec0n, You have a problem with your elementaryOS install kubuntu has nothing to do with it, elementaryOS is not supported here is all, just a channel rule.
[02:29] <Pr0jectRec0n> Beldar, I agree - but I thought my concern was more h/w oriented - you know master/slave setting in BIOS etc
[02:29] <SierraAR> Sorry, mistyped - It's 14.04
[02:29] <Beldar> !sound > SierraAR
[02:31] <Beldar> Pr0jectRec0n, If it is a master slave issue, and elOS is on the slave all you need to do is go to #grub and ask how to change the default boot, a slave will not boot is all.
[02:32] <Pr0jectRec0n> Beldar, nevermind - It was just boot-priority in my BIOS.. (not master/slave).
[02:32] <Beldar> Cool
[02:34] <ubentobox> Hi there everyone, is there anyone that can point me to the changes in bind9 from distro 14.04 that would break it?
[02:35] <SierraAR> Hm.. Looking like this may be more an issue with vmware than ubuntu; Just noticed vmware is automatically disabling the virtual sound driver >.<
[02:37] <nobice> Hey guys
[02:37] <nobice> I keep getting an sda1: WRITE FAILED Manually Zeroing error when trying to set up 14.04 on a VM
[02:38] <holstein> nobice: what host? i would start there, i think
[02:38] <nobice> Hi holstein, what do you mean what host? (I'm totally new)
[02:38] <nobice> Oh
[02:38] <nobice> I'm using VMware Workstation
[02:40] <ridethespiral> Ok I've got 12.04 installed and working fine. How can I get the latest 3.11+ Linux-lowlatency kernel installed? The latest showing in synaptic is 3.2.0.61 lol
[02:40] <nobice> Is 12.04 secure?
[02:40] <ridethespiral> (Trying to get an external recording interface up to par)
[02:41] <holstein> ridethespiral: there is no special ubuntustudio repo for it.. you run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist upgrade" and get the latest there is.. otherwise, as i said you used a PPA
[02:41] <ridethespiral> nobice what do you mean secure? It is a lts
[02:41] <nobice> Oh okay
[02:41] <nobice> When does it's LTS end?
[02:41] <holstein> !12.04
[02:42] <nobice> Oh got it
[02:42] <nobice> Thank you! :D
[02:42] <nobice> Any idea what an sda1: WRITE FAILED Manually zeroing error upon set up would be?
[02:42] <ridethespiral> Holstein I installed 12.04 studio and it came with 3.11 low latency. Vanilla comes with 3.8 general and I can only find 3.2 low latency. I'm so fucking confused
[02:42] <holstein> nobice: something with the host setup
[02:42] <holstein> ridethespiral: we have no special repo..
[02:42] <nobice> host meaning the VM I'm using?
[02:43] <ridethespiral> Sigh.
[02:43] <ridethespiral> Alright
[02:43] <holstein> ridethespiral: did you run the commands i gave?
[02:43] <holstein> ridethespiral: you need the point release to get the latest.. and the commands i gave will upgrade you to that
[02:43] <nobice> What's a host?
[02:44] <holstein> ridethespiral: if you literally just isntalled from an older 12.04 CD, and have not updated, just do so
[02:44] <Beldar> nobice, The OS vmware is running in
[02:44] <Sohron> nobice: host is the machine where you're running the vm on
[02:44] <Sohron> haha
[02:44] <nobice> Haha, nice
[02:45] <ridethespiral> Holstein invalid operation dist
[02:45] <Sohron> nobice: and the guest is the OS in the vm
[02:45] <nobice> Well, I'm doing a fresh install on a blank state in VMware, and I'm running Win 7.
[02:46] <holstein> ridethespiral: please open only a terminal and run this.. "sudo apt-get update" then, report errors and let me know when it is finished..
[02:46] <Sohron> nobice: why not install 14.04? it is LTS too
[02:46] <holstein> ridethespiral: then, run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and let me know when that is completed with no errors...
[02:46] <nobice> Sohron:That's what I'm trying to do :D
[02:47] <nobice> I was just thinking, if this doesn't work out, I'll just use wubi to get 12.04
[02:47] <Sohron> nobice: ah, okay, i got the impression you were going for 12.04
[02:47] <ridethespiral> Holstein your initial command was missing the dash between dist-upgrade.
[02:47] <nobice> Since I don't have the BIOS password
[02:47] <nobice> and don't want to open up my 4 year old laptop
[02:47] <ridethespiral> Holstein 0 upgraded and 0 installed
[02:48] <holstein> ridethespiral: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/12.04release_notes#PrecisePangolin.2BAC8-ReleaseNotes.2BAC8-CommonInfrastructure.Ubuntu_Kernel_3.11
[02:48] <holstein> ridethespiral: we have *no* special sources..
[02:48] <Beldar> nobice, There is virtually no support for wubi, not a good idea.
[02:48] <ridethespiral> Daaaafuq
[02:49] <allen> hey all, first day running Ubuntu, can i customize this unity desktop at all like you can with say cinnamon or xfce
[02:49] <nobice> Beldar: :( Where do I start looking for errors in my host?
[02:50] <holstein> allen: yes, but its not cinnamon or xfce, and if you prefer the way they theme and customize, you may be happier with them
[02:50] <Beldar> nobice, No idea, I have never used vmware I use virtualbax if needed
[02:50] <xangua> allen: then you wouldn't be using unity, you can install xubuntu-desktop for xfce
[02:51] <allen> holstein, i am liking unity so far, it takes a bit of getting used to, but i'd like to make the bar more transparent and or Black, its kinda ugly blue right now
[02:51] <ridethespiral> Ok installing 3.11
[02:52] <ridethespiral> Generic. Hopefully it opens up low latency
[02:52] <allen> i'm used to mint tho, i was using cinnamon on that
[02:52] <holstein> ridethespiral: no.. the repos dont get "opened up" like that
[02:53] <holstein> ridethespiral: there is just the main ubuntu repos.. where we have all of our audio packages for ubuntustudio, and our kernel
[02:53] <ridethespiral> Holstein I did the command listed on the link you gave me and now it is installing g 3.11.. Why could t I find it in synaptic? See why I'm so confused? Lol
[02:53] <ridethespiral> Brain exploooosions
[02:57] <ridethespiral> I still don't see 3.11 low latency in synaptic, but I've got 3.11.0.20 general installed Holstein. I think I give up for tonight lol
[02:57] <holstein> ridethespiral: im still not convinced we shipped it..
[02:58] <ridethespiral> Where's the tequila. >.<
[02:58] <holstein> ridethespiral: im pretty sure you didnt have it, or you added a PPA
[02:58] <ridethespiral> Holstein it was on my 12.04 studio install
[02:58] <holstein> ridethespiral: you should be running, and will want to sort out 14.04 ASAP
[02:58] <ridethespiral> I didn't add a ppa
[02:58] <holstein> ridethespiral: sure. and im saying, i dont believe it, is all
[02:59] <SonikkuAmerica> holstein: Check Synaptic maybe?
[02:59] <ridethespiral> 14.04 HATES my laptop lol
[02:59] <holstein> ridethespiral: you did not determine that
[02:59] <Beldar> !lol | ridethespiral after about 500 of these.
[03:00] <ridethespiral> :/
[03:00] <holstein> ridethespiral: i still have a 12.04 ubuntustudio installation.. if you will wait, i will look.
[03:00] <Beldar> duh the bots message deleted, ridethespiral can you stop the lol's you have done them at people trying to help you.
[03:00] <Beldar> this is not IM
[03:00] <ridethespiral> Sorry habbit
[03:01] <ridethespiral> My apologies...
[03:05] <holstein> ridethespiral: yes.. it looks like we did *not* rev the lowlatency kernel
[03:06] <ridethespiral> Holstein what do mean rev?
[03:06] <holstein> ridethespiral: i have 3.2.. you dont need 3.11.. maybe you had 3.11 generic installed.. and it was working "best" for you
[03:06] <holstein> ridethespiral: update/upgrade.. make newer.. bring up to a level that you want, or expect
[03:06] <SonikkuAmerica> 14.04 has Linux 3.13
[03:07] <ridethespiral> Holstein I had 3.11 low latency installed with 12.04 studio. Not sure how but I did. I mean I don't absolutely need 3.11 but 3.11 is the only kernel that seems to work with my second USB recording interface so it'd be nice
[03:08] <ridethespiral> General is fine for playback but not realtime
[03:08] <holstein> ridethespiral: i have a USB device that works *better* with a generic kernel
[03:08] <ridethespiral> (As you known:p)
[03:08] <SonikkuAmerica> ridethespiral: Did you install the linux-lowlatency package in 14.04 ? It's got kernel 3.13.x in it, should work fine if 3.11 worked with your recording interface
[03:08] <holstein> ridethespiral: you did *not* have a newer lowlatency kernel from the repos
[03:09] <ridethespiral> SonikkuAmerica I'm on 12.04. 14.04 was not working for me
[03:09] <holstein> ridethespiral: i do not  have it.. i have 3.2 in my stock 12.04
[03:10] <holstein> ridethespiral: if you want a newer lowlatency kernel, you'll get it from another source than the ubuntustuduio default sources, which are the ubuntu sources
[03:10] <ridethespiral> Holstein alright but just saying what grub showed me on every boot for many kernels. I'm not trying to argue or dismiss you but I'm telling the truth of what grime and uname -r showed
[03:10] <holstein> ridethespiral: i have it here, friend
[03:10] <ridethespiral> Grub*
[03:10] <SonikkuAmerica> lol, grime - where did that come from
[03:11] <SonikkuAmerica> anywho
[03:11] <holstein> ridethespiral: its not the truth.. the truth is right here, on my machine, and yours
[03:11] <ridethespiral> I'm on my phone....
[03:11] <holstein> ridethespiral: you dont have it.. i dont have it.. we didnit make it
[03:11] <ridethespiral> So the latest low latency possible is 3.2?
[03:11] <holstein> ridethespiral: no
[03:11] <SonikkuAmerica> Well what did he expect holstein ... he's got an LTS release with the 3.2 kernel...
[03:11] <holstein> ridethespiral: the latest is in 14.04
[03:12] <qin_> ridethespiral: You sure you did not make sneaky upgrade to Saucy? 3.11 was in 13.10
[03:12] <ridethespiral> SonikkuAmerica....
[03:12] <holstein> ridethespiral: as long as you understand why you are *never* going to find a more recent lowlatency kernel..
[03:12] <holstein> ridethespiral: the 12.04 lowlatency kernel version is at 3.2
[03:13] <ridethespiral> qin_ I'm positive I was running 12.04
[03:13] <SonikkuAmerica> ridethespiral: What? You get from me what holstein gave you. We maintain the *exact same* kernel version - no more, no less - than what came at KernelFreeze. In the case of 12.04, it was 3.2
[03:13] <qin_> ridethespiral: unless it is a hoax, you may be wrong somewhere: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=saucy-updates&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=lowlatency
[03:14] <holstein> or, you added a PPA
[03:14] <ridethespiral> SonikkuAmerica are you talking about low latency or general
[03:14] <holstein> ridethespiral: *you* are talking about lowlatency
[03:14] <ridethespiral> I know I am
[03:14] <holstein> ridethespiral: we are commenting as such
[03:14] <ridethespiral> Ok :p just checking heb
[03:14] <ridethespiral> Heh
[03:14] <SonikkuAmerica> ridethespiral: Every single kernel we issue for an LTS release
[03:15] <ridethespiral> Well I'm uberly confused now
[03:15] <SonikkuAmerica> -generic, -lowlatency, -pullingmyhair and -theoddonethattheopsneverpayattentionto
[03:15] <ridethespiral> Not that i wasn't 5 hours ago :)
[03:15] <ridethespiral> I am paying attention...
[03:16] <SonikkuAmerica> Remains the same version number. If A.B.xyz, xyz may change for security patches, but A.B remains the same.
[03:17] <SonikkuAmerica> A = 3, B = 2 for 14.04.
[03:17] <qin_> SonikkuAmerica: B seems to jump up sometimes
[03:18] <qin_> or maybe not.
[03:18] <SonikkuAmerica> qin_: On a point release, you can install a new stack, that's for sure
[03:18] <nobvice> Beldar: How can I go into seamless mode with Virtualbox?
[03:18] <ridethespiral> SonikkuAmerica you say 14.04 ships with 3.2.xyx BUT it was just mentioned above that 14.04 comes with 3.11.
[03:18] <Locke2002> What's a good cli text editor that can reload from disk, something simple like nano preferred?
[03:19] <SonikkuAmerica> ridethespiral: No, I said *12*.04 shipped with 3.2.x. 14.04 comes with 3.13.
[03:19] <holstein> ridethespiral: dont overthink it.. if you want a newer lowlatency kernel, you'll want 14.04, or add whatever kernel manually, or PPA.. we dont provide one for 12.04
[03:20] <ridethespiral> You said a = 3 b = 2 for 14.04
[03:20] <ridethespiral> :p
[03:20] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh derp. I STILL MEANT 12.04 !!
[03:20] <SonikkuAmerica> oauhwrogubsierughpiusebrglibwseorugboahwerbgihqbwrpithqaewrt ridethespiral
[03:20] <SonikkuAmerica> I is a hummin' bean
[03:20] <Beldar> nobvice, I'm not sure what seamless mode is.
[03:20] <ridethespiral> Lol I'm already confused that just added into. I'm notna freaking Ubuntu guru
[03:21] <qin_> !cookie | SonikkuAmerica and some coffee
[03:21] <SonikkuAmerica> nobvice: Host+S
[03:22] <SonikkuAmerica> Beldar: Seamless mode, as its name implies, lets the guest OS run seamlessly inside the host OS. e.g. if I ran Windows XP in seamless mode over Windows 7, I'd see a Windows XP taskbar with full functionality on top of my normal taskbar.
[03:23] <qin_> Locke2002: in vim: set autoread
[03:23] <SonikkuAmerica> holstein: Whew! He's gone. Can we have a break? :D
[03:24] <theodat_> What did we miss
[03:24] <SonikkuAmerica> You don't want to know.
[03:24] <qin_> theodat_: number game
[03:24] <SonikkuAmerica> A test of patience.
[03:25] <theodat> K
[03:26] <qin_> T
[03:29] <remuxa> so i'm using the ubuntu 14.04 minimal installer, how do i enable the 'free software only' option at the boot prompt?
[03:30] <remuxa> (i.e. it's not available and i've used it on normal installs)
[03:30] <holstein> remuxa: you can try pushing f6 there, but, its minimal..
[03:30] <holstein> remuxa: you should only be getting the minimal from that installer...
[03:30] <remuxa> so it doesn't automatically install restricted or multiverse packages?
[03:31] <holstein> remuxa: correct. i mean, you get the kernel
[03:31] <remuxa> okay, thank you!
[03:35] <theodat_> Is there something I can download to get my fingerprint reader to work..?  Ubuntu 14.04
[03:36] <theodat_> Thinkpad X200
[03:41] <holstein> theodat_: mayby not.. you can try other live CD's and see if a linux kernel supports it out-of-the-box.. otherwise, there may just not be support for the device
[03:42] <theodat_> Thanks.  No that important but was something to try to get to work
[03:45] <ridethespiral> holstein, thanks for the help
[03:45] <ridethespiral> holstein, idk why grub would say i had 3.11 low latency but ehhh.. I'll just use general
[03:46] <ridethespiral> 90% of the use of my usb interface is for listening. Rarely use realtime monitoring, and I can use win 7 with the rme babyface for actual hardware monitoring
[03:46] <ridethespiral> I was just frustrated
[03:58] <Rejun> Help ayuda-
[03:58] <Rejun> Como Tengo una gran problema
[03:58] <Rejun> con una iso
[03:58] <Rejun> en linux
[03:59] <Rejun> ayuda pleasee!
[03:59] <Rejun> Tengo una gran probolema
[03:59] <Rejun> con una iso
[03:59] <Rejun> requiero instalar la iso en un pendrive para bootear
[03:59] <Rejun> instale el winusb y selecciono la unidad me sale error
[03:59] <Rejun> y no instala
[04:00] <Rejun> exit code 256
[04:00] <Beldar> !es | Rejun
[04:00] <Rejun> gracias
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> morning to all
[04:09] <ridethespiral> hi lotuspsychje
[04:09] <ridethespiral> :)
[04:09] <ridethespiral> good evening
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: have you been able to fix your 14.04?
[04:09] <ridethespiral> noooooooooooo
[04:09] <ridethespiral> I'm back to 12.04
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: whats happening?
[04:09] <ridethespiral> lotuspsychje, it freezes upon login
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: is it a laptop or desktop?
[04:10] <ridethespiral> laptop
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: so we cant try another graphics card
[04:11] <ridethespiral> lenovo y560, "nehalem" core i5, with switchable gfx
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: can you pastebin lshw -C video for me plz?
[04:11] <ridethespiral> lotuspsychje, core i5 gfx works, radeon is becoming defective so I have disabled it for the last two years
[04:11] <ridethespiral> one moment
[04:11] <ridethespiral> lotuspsychje, run with sudo?
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: works both
[04:13] <ridethespiral> lshw -C doesn't work http://paste.ubuntu.com/7481736/
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: lshw -C video
[04:15] <somsip> Any particular reason why nvidia-current points to nvidia-304 but there is also nvidia-331? Which should be used?
[04:15] <ridethespiral> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7481749/
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-304
[04:15] <ridethespiral> lotuspsychje, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7481749/ I've already disabled the radeon with an acpi_call module
[04:16] <ridethespiral> lotuspsychje, or else my laptop runs super hot (~80C) did this when the radeon actually worked
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-331
[04:16] <somsip> lotuspsychje: I would expect there to be one, current, support version...
[04:16] <somsip> *supported
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> somsip: current, will install the legacy driver
[04:17] <somsip> lotuspsychje: 'legacy' denoting what in this context? Wider support for old cards?
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: so you tryed to install trusty on the intel integraded graphics right
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> somsip: not sure, but i think current might work better in most cases
[04:17] <ridethespiral> lotuspsychje, I've tried both with "discreet" and "switchable" gfx modes in bios
[04:18] <ridethespiral> lotuspsychje, both with same outcome
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> somsip: but switching drivers can be a good idea, when problem occur
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> somsip: what does additional drivers show in list?
[04:18] <somsip> lotuspsychje: ok. Doing an install from minimal and tried *-331 last night and ended up with loads of unwanted packages. I'll try again with current
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> somsip: what does ubuntu install by default with internet connection during setup?
[04:19] <ridethespiral> lotuspsychje, after many many hours of reinstalling ubuntu versions, I'm about ready to just stick with the working 12.04 :)
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: there are new intel graphics drivers setup for ubuntu, lemme find link
[04:19] <ridethespiral> lotuspsychje, any advice is appreciated
[04:19] <somsip> lotuspsychje: on minimal install, not sure but nothing special. Back in 12.04 right now
[04:19] <somsip> lotuspsychje: I'll try *-current and play. Thanks for the info
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: check this out: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/05/intel-linux-graphics-driver-installer-1-0-5
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> somsip: good luck!
[04:20] <somsip> lotuspsychje: cheers - bfn
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: i think why unity freezed on trusty for you, was because of not right intel drivers
[04:21] <ridethespiral> lotuspsychje, so do I install this to my live usb (with persistance file) and then resume with the install?
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: did you setup trusty with 'updates' enabled during install? and install third party software?
[04:21] <ridethespiral> lotuspsychje, yes both
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: no, the intel drivers should be tryed after trusty install
[04:21] <ridethespiral> lotuspsychje, how would I do that if it freezes? :(
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: or try them from 12.04 then upgrade maybe?
[04:22] <ridethespiral> lotuspsychje, I'm sooo iffy on doing any other installs right now heh. I've been in this channel for 5 hours now and 3 installs later :P
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: have you been able to install with nomodeset?
[04:23] <ridethespiral> lotuspsychje, I was able to, but the display was only working @ 800x640 and unity was uber laggy
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: if you find a way to install trusty and get to desktop
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: we can lshw -C video again
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: and try those new intel graphics from there
[04:24] <ridethespiral> lotuspsychje, Okay. I will try that
[04:25] <ridethespiral> lotuspsychje, brb logging into irc on my phone
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> !find i915
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: after trusty installed, make sure you check wich driver loaded ok
[04:26] <ridethespiral> Alright reinstall #4 today here we go bahah.
[04:26] <ridethespiral> lotuspsyche what's the command to do that
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: its just finding the reason, lshw -C video
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: what shows after driver=
[04:27] <ridethespiral> lotuspsyche okay thought they were separate commands
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: also always check software sources/last tab additional drivers
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: in some cases alternative drivers show up there
[04:29] <ridethespiral> Lotuspsyche in live USB boot or after install?
[04:29] <ridethespiral> Because I can't after install
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: nomodeset install again right, and try after install
[04:29] <ridethespiral> Lotuspsyche in 12.04 I install fglrx then disable the radeon
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: ?
[04:30] <ridethespiral> lotuspsyche, of course... Derp
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: disable radeon before you install right
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: you dont want drivers fighting each other
[04:30] <ridethespiral> lotuspsyche I always disable after install on 12.04
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: thats not good, disable from bios before install
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: maybe thats the reason why it freezes
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: you want the intel driver loaded right, not radeon
[04:32] <ridethespiral> Lotuspsyche bios gives "discreet" (radeon default) or switchable (Intel default) I use switch able for install but it still powers up the radeon (HOT HOT laptop) so I disable it
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: can you disable the radeon completely from bios?
[04:33] <ridethespiral> lotuspsyche hope that makes sence
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: if its broken, you should disable once and for good right
[04:33] <ridethespiral> Lotuspsyche those are the only two options so I'll say no
[04:33] <davido_> Where should I start my investigation into why suspend mode doesn't complete in my desktop system? (14.04)
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: that might be a question for the ##hardware guys, how that switchable thing works, never seen that before
[04:34] <ridethespiral> Lotuspsyche I'm booted into 14.04 nomodeset shall I go ahead with install?
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: and you set radeon off right?
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: to intel default
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: then you may proceed
[04:35] <ridethespiral> lotuspsyche I'm positive with switchable enabled it defaults to Intel ( or I'd get the glitches because there is something wrong with radeon) I know these are not prime conditions but 12.04 works fine
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: ok, im curious wich drivers trusty will load :p
[04:36] <ridethespiral> I'd use vgaswitcheroo before the radeon broke
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: what is that?
[04:36] <ridethespiral> Plugged in an HDMI cord one day and it broke the radeon (was usingnwindows)
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> davido_: what laptop brand is this?
[04:37] <ridethespiral> Lotuspsyche a module to switch between the radeon and Intel when needed
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: from ubuntu?
[04:37] <ridethespiral> lotuspsyche yes
[04:38]  * davido_ reads back to make sure he said desktop. ;)  ...It's a Gateway desktop.
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: well, as the radeon broke i think its not a good idea to switch anymore
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> davido_: oh sorry
[04:38] <ridethespiral> lotuspsyche indeed, thus why I disable the radeon with an acpi_call module.
[04:39] <davido_> I have a suspend option.  When I select it, the system starts to go into suspend mode, but ultimately ends up at a blank black screen and never suspends.  Only way to set things right is to power-cycle.
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: ok, so next things to do: get on your trusty desktop and lshw -C video
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: then we investigate if correct driver loaded
[04:39] <ridethespiral> Lotuspsyche when I'm done the install I'll give you a link to the lshw -C video
[04:39] <agent_white> Good evenin all
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> agent_white: welcome mate
[04:40] <davido_> Was that for me?
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> !who | davido_
[04:41] <ridethespiral> Lotuspsyche can using the same /home partition without formatting cause issues ( was mentioned to me)
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: i would start over fresh
[04:41] <ridethespiral> Ow ow ow
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: no left over from previous installs
[04:42] <ridethespiral> Lotuspsyche my buddy has my ext HDD so I can't back up
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: you got all your files on 12.04 now?
[04:43] <ridethespiral> Lotuspsyche can I do a small 5gb home partition on the ssd just to test as fresh install
[04:43] <ridethespiral> Lotuspsyche my /home is on a separate HDD then ubuntu
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> ridethespiral: sure,
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> !info uswsusp | davido_ maybe this package can help?
[04:45] <Alienwarez> Ho do I access an filesystem ext4 flagged Primary partition?
[04:45] <Alienwarez> The system recognize like bad blocks
[04:45] <davido_> lotuspsychje: Thanks. I'll have a look.
[04:45] <Alienwarez> I can access the device
[04:45] <{IrishBull}> good evening folks
[04:45] <Alienwarez> someone can help me, please?
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> davido_: maybe also check your logs for relevant errors
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> !info testdisk | Alienwarez
[04:46] <Alienwarez> ok
[04:46] <Alienwarez> i will test
[04:46] <Alienwarez> check the logs bro
[04:46] <Alienwarez> Error mounting: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1,
[04:46] <Alienwarez>        missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[04:46] <Alienwarez>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[04:46] <Alienwarez>        dmesg | tail  or so
[04:46] <unopaste> Alienwarez you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[04:48] <Alienwarez> I uderstand
[04:48] <Alienwarez> But
[04:48] <Alienwarez> I have data inside the device
[04:48] <Alienwarez> i would backup it before rewrite
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> Alienwarez: always backup :p
[04:49] <{IrishBull}> Dropbox is free dude, backup always!
[04:49] <Alienwarez> man, the device are a pendrive!
[04:49] <Alienwarez> i need access the data first
[04:49] <Alienwarez> I need mount it
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> Alienwarez: you can recover data with photorec (from testdisk)
[04:49] <{IrishBull}> whats it doing, or not doing should I say?
[04:49] <agent_white> "Real men don't make backups. They upload it via ftp and let the world mirror it." - Torvalds
[04:50] <Alienwarez> testdisk doesn't work
[04:50] <{IrishBull}> +1 for agent_white
[04:50] <Alienwarez> +2 for agent_white
[04:50] <agent_white> \o/
[04:50] <{IrishBull}> Anyone ever try to put Ubuntu on a HTC Inspire phone?
[04:50] <Alienwarez> +2 for agent_white
[04:50] <Alienwarez> fuck
[04:50] <{IrishBull}> not here
[04:51] <Alienwarez> there some flag to mount an Primary Partition device?
[04:51] <{IrishBull}> I've installed Ubuntu on my PC and have fallen in love with it, thinking of putting it on my phone too
[04:51] <norvice> Anyone familiar with VirtualBox?
[04:51] <Beldar> norvice, #vbox is
[04:51] <norvice> The screen is stuck at like 600x600
[04:52] <norvice> Thanks :D
[04:52] <crf> hi. Liferea doesn't seem to work. A window won't open when I run the program. Any suggestions?
[04:52] <Beldar> !touch | {IrishBull}
[04:52] <{IrishBull}> Ok, how the heck do I get the joins and quits to show up in the status window instead of my active window dangit
[04:53] <davido_> Now I've at least got some error messages in front of me that I can look at. ;)
[04:53] <Beldar> {IrishBull}, probably in the preferences of the IRC client.
[04:53] <crf> The liferea process is running, but nothing happens.
[04:53] <davido_> suspend/resume failure. "KernelOops"
[04:53] <crux_> anyone here have much experience with yakuake
[04:54] <{IrishBull}> There, sheesh
[04:54] <Beldar> !info yakuake
[04:55] <Beldar> crux_, State the issues for help.
[04:56] <crux_> I changed the appearence to not show the bottom border and now I cannot get into the "configure" options
[04:56] <crux_> I purged yakuake but when I reinstalled it, the configuration is still present
[04:57] <Beldar> crux_, Look to see if there is a file with it's name in .config in home, ctrl-h to show hidden files
[04:57] <ridethespiral> Lotuspsyche do you want the lshw output before or after I do anything
[04:58] <ridethespiral> Lotuspsychje damn this lack of tab on phone. See above
[05:00] <ridethespiral> Lotuspsychje paste.Ubuntu.com/7481843/
[05:00] <crux_> Beldar, I opened dolphin and in the /home dir I pressed ctrl-h but I do not see aa yakuake *.config
[05:00] <novibe> Beldar, why is the vbox screen so tiny
[05:01] <Beldar> crux_ you opened .config and looked for yakuake?
[05:03] <Beldar> novibe, I forget the name of the additional driver pack for better resolution....etc, been awhile since I used it.
[05:04] <agent_white> Hey folks! I'm trying to add a folder of Ruby scripts to my path, so I can execute them by calling the file name alone in a terminal. Following http://askubuntu.com/questions/97897/add-bash-script-folder-to-path but have no luck (even tried bash scripts instead of Ruby scripts, but got nothing!). Any help appreciated!
[05:06] <agent_white> Ooo wait. May have found the answer!
[05:07] <agent_white> So, answer is that if you add a folder of scripts to your PATH, and you start your scripts the right way (#!/bin/bash or #!/usr/bin/env ruby), you need to remove the extension (.sh or .rb) from the file name.
[05:07] <agent_white> Oddly enough...
[05:07] <agent_white> Wierd stuff.
[05:07] <novibe> Well.
[05:07] <novibe> Finally got everything work.
[05:07] <davido_> How were you invoking them?
[05:08] <agent_white> davido_: Me or novibe?
[05:08] <agent_white> Should write "USERNAME: How were you invoking them?" so we know who you're talking to.
[05:08] <davido_> agent_white: I've been in/out of channel.  Just caught what you said about removing the extension.
[05:09] <davido_> agent_white: Yes, I know... just keep forgetting
[05:09] <agent_white> davido_: Oh me! ;D I was invoking them just by calling the script name without the extension.
[05:09] <padhu> Is minimum hardware requirement web page is updated recently? What is ithe minimum system requirement for Ubuntu 14.04?
[05:10] <agent_white> davido_: Now that you point that out... If I leave the scripts with their extension, I need to call the full name with extension to invoke. Thank you for making me thinkg about it!
[05:11] <davido_> agent_white: Yeah, I was trying to figure out what a path entry had to do with .extensions.  Seems more like a windows way of doing things. :)
[05:11] <agent_white> davido_: Hahah nah I'm on Linux! ;)
[05:12] <agent_white> But thank you again, never would have thought about that!
[05:12] <davido_> Now to the general audience: I still have a suspend/resume failure, but now have the "Sorry, ..." box in front of me after restarting, and may be able to provide more info if I know what might be useful information.
[05:12] <Beldar> padhu, What does the page say?
[05:13] <agent_white> davido_: Failure to come back from a suspend?
[05:13] <davido_> Well, it's a failure to complete the suspend sequence, which also makes it impossible to resume.  power-cycle is the only solution.
[05:13] <agent_white> davido_: What happens when you suspend?
[05:14] <davido_> agent_white: When I suspend, the screen goes black, but the power light on the desktop stays lit, and if I look at the back, I still see the lan adapter's LED flashing, Bluetooth dongle flashing, and fans operating.
[05:14] <padhu> It need 700MHZ speed processor and 512 MB ram, It is shows form 6.06 only change is 373MB ram to 512 MB RAM
[05:15] <davido_> agent_white: At that point it's unresponsive.
[05:15] <agent_white> davido_: Check out /var/log/pm-suspend.log
[05:15] <agent_white> `cat /var/log/syslog | grep PM:`
[05:15] <davido_> agent_white: got it in front of me now
[05:16] <agent_white> davido_: Toss it in a pastebin/gist and lets take a look!
[05:16] <davido_> agent_white: Is there a preferred pastebin?
[05:16] <q_p> !ping me
[05:16] <agent_white> davido_: I was just thinking about that... some people bitch about one of 'em for ads, I can't remember.
[05:17] <davido_> hmm... now what was that clip command? :)
[05:17] <agent_white> davido_: paste.pm seems alright!
[05:17] <Beldar> padhu, this is updated, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements same one you see I believe. Really depends on what you plan to be running, that min I would not put more than lubuntu myself at the most.
[05:18] <dually> Is there any reason to not use the official handbrake-cli in Ubuntu 14.04?
[05:18] <davido_> agent_white: http://paste.pm/gkl.js
[05:20] <q_p> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7481905/ Im using ubuntu 12.04 lts 64bits
[05:20] <padhu> Beldar: I am using ubuntu from 6.06, nothing else. My system is nearly 7 years old. I am not updated  from 12.04. Hence, it is necessary to double check the minimum system requirement to switch over to 14.04.
[05:21] <Beldar> padhu, Good plan, always be prepared.
[05:21] <davido_> agent_white: Did you get my paste?
[05:22] <agent_white> davido_: Yup I'm looking it over now... wondering if this could be similar http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1969615
[05:22] <daleicious> CONNECT  irc.aresgate.net 6697
[05:22] <padhu> Beldar: yeah. Intel core2duo, 4gb RAM, 1GB dedicated graphics card.
[05:22] <agent_white> Something that may be keeping it from going to suspend... like a SD card plugged in or otherwise.
[05:23] <agent_white> davido_: Also anything plugged into the USB ports.
[05:23] <cfhowlett> padhu older hardware likes lubuntu or possibly xubuntu.  the former is optimized for older / lower specifications
[05:23] <Beldar> padhu, I have less and have no problem, helps to have a SSD, that should be fine.
[05:23] <agent_white> davido_: `cat /proc/acpi/wakeup` Lists all the devices that are able to wake the system...
[05:23] <davido_> A bluetooth adapter, mouse, keyboard, and the UPS usb link.
[05:24] <padhu> Beldar: SSD? what is the capacity? How will it useful? please explain more
[05:24] <davido_> agentwhite: GBE, EUSB, USBE, PEX0, PEX1.
[05:24] <Beldar> padhu, solid state hard drive, no spinning parts.
[05:24] <davido_> cryptic names. :)
[05:24] <Beldar> padhu, Mine is 256 gigs I thin
[05:25] <Beldar> think*
[05:25] <padhu> Beldar: Next step to upgrade my PC?. It is worthy with my hardwares?
[05:25] <agent_white> davido_: `echo (GBE,EUSB,USBE,PEX0,PEX1...etc) > /proc/acpi/wakeup` to toggle the state
[05:26] <agent_white> You make need to be root to run, otherwise `echo (GBE, EUSB...etc) | sudo tee /proc/acpi/wakeup`
[05:26] <Beldar> padhu, Upgrade meaning a fresh install should be fine, but as suggested there is xubuntu and lubuntu as I mentioned. Download the live ISO and try it out.
[05:27] <agent_white> davido_: Try doing that for all those devices, disable them, and then try to suspend :)
[05:27] <davido_> I must be typing that wrong.
[05:27] <agent_white> davido_: You're not including the backtics, right?  And what's it doing?
[05:28] <davido_> With the backticks, command substitution: line 1: syntax.....
[05:28] <padhu> Beldar: I am going to fresh install, no doubt. Because i have enough experience.I had applications out of official repo too.
[05:28] <agent_white> davido_: Paste here what you typed in
[05:28] <davido_> agent_white without backticks: bash: syntax error near unexpected token GBE,
[05:29] <Beldar> padhu, Mainly you want a supported OS in the end.
[05:29] <davido_> agent_white: Paste: echo (GBE, EUSB, USBE) |sudo tee /proc/acpi/wakeup
[05:29] <davido_> (turns out those were the only three actually "enabled"
[05:30] <agent_white> davido_: Oh! I meant you need to do `echo...` for each of those.  Otherwise to toggle all at once, try `echo -e 'GBE\nEUSB\nUSBE' | sudo tee /proc/acpi/wakeup`
[05:31] <agent_white> Sorry about that! :P
[05:31] <davido_> agent_white: Ah! :) That makes more sense.  I thought you were using some bash syntax I was unfamiliar with.
[05:31] <agent_white> davido_: Nah I'm just not familiar with bash either! Hahaha! :P
[05:31] <padhu> Beldar: yes.
[05:32] <padhu> Beldar: only ubuntu
[05:32] <davido_> agent_white: Alright, all disabled.  wish me luck.  be back in a few...
[05:32] <agent_white> davido_: Getter done!
[05:32] <Beldar> padhu, I have run pretty much every major linux based OS, ubuntu seems as good as any, they are all quite similar
[05:34] <Beldar> granted I did start my computer experiences with dapper
[05:35] <padhu> Beldar: I have different distros in my office, laptop, and home pc. All are ubuntu derivatives. I want ubuntu on my home. because, My son is playing studying with it.
[05:36] <davido_> agent_white: No joy.
[05:36] <Beldar> padhu, Yeah the derivatives have gone bit wild, I have tried those to just as an interest, I generally have at least 4 OS on the HD.
[05:36] <agent_white> davido_: :( There could be more devices that need to be disabled... check the log file again to see what failed.
[05:36] <davido_> agent_white: I do get a "Sorry, Ubuntu 14.04 has experienced an internal error.", the details for which include "ProblemType: KernelOops"
[05:37] <agent_white> davido_: After rebooting?  Or when it enters suspend?
[05:37] <davido_> agent_white after rebooting.
[05:37] <padhu> Beldar: In initial stage, I also had it. After while i always ride single horse, Ubuntu
[05:37] <agent_white> davido_: Ah that's no worry, just is yelling at us for using the power button to shutdown.
[05:37] <Beldar> ;)
[05:37] <agent_white> davido_: Check those logs again to see what didn't get disables
[05:37] <agent_white> s/disables/disabled
[05:38] <davido_> agent_white: "Title: [Gateway DX4850] suspend/resume failure".... "Annotation: This occurred during a previous suspend and prevented it from resuming properly"
[05:38] <agent_white> Wait where's that?  in the suspend log?
[05:39] <davido_> No, that's still in the "Sorry....." dialog popup on reboot.
[05:39] <agent_white> davido_: Oh don't worry about that, lets check out the suspend log.
[05:39] <padhu> Beldar: I am hardly sticking with ubuntu. For GIS use, I have little struggle. QGIS will not fullfill my requirement. Even though I am enjoying
[05:40] <agent_white> I enjoy archlinux :) I just find this channel more friendly than arch's for advice and help.
[05:41] <Beldar> padhu, I have W8.1 and word for grad papers, not a bad OS really, rarely use it. Nice talking I have to go to work. ;)
[05:41] <agent_white> davido_: What button did you use to wake it up?
[05:41] <somsip> !find xsnap
[05:41] <somsip> !find xsnap precise
[05:42] <davido_> agent_white: http://paste.pm/gkm.js
[05:42] <padhu> Beldar: me too. bye...
[05:42] <davido_> agent_white: When it fails to suspend, it becomes unresponsive; keyboard, mouse, power button all are unresponsive except when I hold the power down for 5s to force.
[05:43] <agent_white> davido_: So you try using the power button (single click) to resume?
[05:43] <davido_> Can't resume when suspend hasn't finished. :)
[05:44] <davido_> agent_white: After I select suspend and wait, say, a minute to ensure it's done everything that it can do to suspend, I find that a single click to the power button is ineffective, as is mouse clicks, movement, and keyboard thumping. ;)
[05:44] <agent_white> Hmmm... So basically, everything is running except the screen is off, right?
[05:45] <davido_> agent_white: Apparently, though caps-lock is also ignored, so I assume input devices are not doing anything.
[05:46] <davido_> agent_white: I wonder if this could be related to a mounted network share.
[05:46] <agent_white> davido_: In that `cat /proc/acpi/wakeup`, lets disable ALL THE THINGS!
[05:46] <agent_white> It could be...
[05:46] <agent_white> But lets first try to disable everything in that list, and see what happens :D
[05:46] <davido_> agent_white: I did disable everything that was enabled last time around.
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> agent_white: monkeydust helped a guy yesterday with some suspend app pm maneger or so?
[05:47] <agent_white> lotuspsychje: I couldn't tell you, but if you remember you could tell davido_ ;)
[05:47] <davido_> (by the way, I know I've already surpassed my allotment of your time, and appreciate the assistance)
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> agent_white: well i found that uswsusp tool, but there is another aswell
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> !info uswsusp
[05:48] <davido_> lotuspsychje: I did try usususp on your recommendation earlier. Same behavior.
[05:48] <agent_white> davido_: No worries! I'm curious about this too in case I see it in the future :)
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> davido_: what does that tool do exactly?
[05:49] <davido_> lotuspsychje: Well, you type some command... s2ram, and it tries to put the system to sleep.
[05:50] <davido_> I had to run it as sudo, though I know it's supposed to work in userspace.
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> davido_: maybe you can check dconf-editor settings for suspend options?
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> davido_: i helped a guy yesterday with a suspend on clevo laptop, seemed like a bug with kernel
[05:51] <davido_> lotuspsychje: locate dconf-editor => /usr/share/app-install/desktop/dconf-editor:dconf-editor.desktop
[05:51] <davido_> Oh, I need to install it.
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> !info dconf-editor
[05:52] <davido_> lotuspsychje: Yes, it's installing now.
[05:52] <davido_> I usually just use vi for whatever I need to edit.
[05:52] <davido_> lotuspsychje: Ok, it's running.
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> davido_: not sure where the energy options are in dconf
[05:55] <davido_> not sure what I should be looking for.
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> davido_: try gnome > setiings-daemon > plugins > power
[05:56] <davido_> lotuspsychje Ok, I'm there.
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> davido_: im in plugins/power and whole list of settings, not sure wich could fix
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> davido_: try some out :p
[05:59] <davido_> lotuspsychje: There's nothing there that seems to be relevant.  Close, but not quite. :)
[05:59] <hunt> hey guys
[06:00] <hunt> i had a terminal opened in the background
[06:00] <hunt> and suddenly, without any action on my behalf, it came into focus
[06:00] <hunt> it wasnt running any proccesses
[06:00] <hunt> although it was cd'd into the folder of a gamemode for a game i had quit ~2minutes earlier
[06:00] <hunt> i think it was after i scrolled?
[06:00] <hunt> should i be worried about this?
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> davido_: desktop/org/gnome/settings-deamon/plugins/power?
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> hunt: you run vnc, or other remote control software?
[06:02] <hunt> no
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> hunt: ssh?
[06:02] <hunt> nope
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> hunt: ubuntu version?
[06:02] <hunt> 14.04
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> hunt: no worries then :p
[06:02] <hunt> ok cool
[06:03] <hunt> im already a little bit freaked out so it doesnt take much to spook me
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> hunt: if you keep your system up to date, you will be fine
[06:03] <davido_> lotuspsychje Org is top level, not under desktop. I was under org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/power. There are many settings there. None of them are relevant.
[06:03] <Ben64> hunt: the simplest explanation is usually correct. you did something to make it come to the foreground.
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> davido_: maybe try set them all to suspend, look what happens?
[06:04] <darkxploit> hello guys
[06:04] <hunt> ben64, hands were off the keyboard, only scrolled
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> darkxploit: hello mate
[06:04] <agent_white> davido_: I got disconnected. Any luck?
[06:04] <hunt> also, the game i had quit previously had crashed
[06:04] <davido_> agent_white: No.
[06:04] <agent_white> :(
[06:04] <Ben64> hunt: scrolling can make windows go the foreground
[06:05] <darkxploit> lotuspsychje, whats up ...
[06:05] <hunt> ben64 ah ok then its probably fine
[06:06] <darkxploit> ANyone with experience on tunneling ssh through http proxies
[06:06] <kostkon> hunt: you can always check your logs. Easiest way to do that is to use the System Log app
[06:06] <agent_white> davido_: We may need to try to see what tools are out there... do you have hibernate?
[06:07] <agent_white> `sudo aptitude install hibernate uswsusp`
[06:07] <davido_> I already had uswsusp. I just installed hibernate.
[06:07] <agent_white> Alrighty! Lets try hibernate!
[06:07] <davido_> needs to be run as root...
[06:07] <davido_> here goes.
[06:09] <davido_> agent_white: Ok, the good news, and the bad news...
[06:10] <davido_> hibernate takes a snapshot, and then fails to hibernate (becomes unresponsive, as before). However, now when I power down and restart, it comes out of hibernation.
[06:11] <davido_> agent_white: I'm going to try unmounting that network share to see what happens...
[06:12] <agent_white> davido_: Hmmm... check out "Integrating uswsusp with pm-utils" at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PowerManagement/Hibernate
[06:14] <agent_white> Except do `sudo tail -f /var/log/pm-suspend.log & sudo hibernate` instead for that second part.
[06:14] <vahid> hi all
[06:14] <agent_white> Heya
[06:15] <vahid> im install debian but cant login.how loging debian7??
[06:15] <cfhowlett> vahid ask in #debian.  this is ubuntu.
[06:15] <vahid> debian no work for mi
[06:16] <davido__> agent_white: No change.
[06:16] <cfhowlett> vahid and it's not supported here.   choose wisely.
[06:16] <bazhang> vahid, its not supported here. this is ubuntu support only
[06:16] <vahid> com on
[06:16] <agent_white> davido__: So... when you mean you 'powerdown and restart'... you're holding the power button for 5?
[06:16] <bazhang> vahid, join #debian for debian support
[06:16] <agent_white> And it comes back up as if it was actually suspended?
[06:17] <vahid> cant help mi?
[06:17] <davido__> agent_white: If I suspend, I eventually have to 5-second shutdown.  Then it comes up as a fresh start.
[06:17] <bazhang> vahid, /join #debian and get help there
[06:17] <cfhowlett> vahid we can help with ubuntu.
[06:17] <jtreminio> Evening all. I'm looking for the proper install command to automate ubuntu 14.04 server installation
[06:17] <Nix\> vahid: #debian-ir (iran)
[06:17] <davido__> agent_white: If I hibernate, I also eventually have to 5-second shutdown. But on cold-restart, it unhibernates.
[06:18] <agent_white> davido__: Ohhh! So the hibernate works (lights/fans shutoff, etc...) , but coming out of it doesn't?
[06:18] <davido__> agent_white: Not quite.....
[06:18] <agent_white> Hmmm.
[06:18] <davido__> agent_white: Snapshot is taken.  But lights and fan stay on.
[06:20] <davido__> agent_white: Originally I used to dual-boot this machine, and my experience was that it would suspend correctly under Win. Nowadays it's full-time Ubuntu, and I haven't suspended it successfully in...um, as long as I can recall.
[06:20] <davido__> agent_white: but I never bothered with trying to get to the bottom of it until tonight.
[06:20] <agent_white> Yeah shit... that's one of those things that should be working out-of-the-box. :(
[06:20] <vahid> im install back box how install virtuall box
[06:20] <cfhowlett> !vbox|vahid
[06:21] <agent_white> davido__: I'm going the tools route atm... looking at http://askubuntu.com/questions/1792/how-can-i-suspend-hibernate-from-command-line  and  http://www.itworld.com/software/415653/shut-down-restart-suspend-or-hibernate-dash-ubuntu-1404
[06:21] <davido__> I think vahid is just trolling.
[06:21] <vahid> install but not working error
[06:21] <cfhowlett> vahid what is the output of lsb_release -a
[06:21] <agent_white> davido__: Try the first link first, so we don't have to check out this shoddy repo first ;P
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> vahid: you have been told not asking about debian here
[06:22] <agent_white> Actually, maybe we should just skip the second link entirely ;P
[06:22] <vahid> erorr not install kernell
[06:22] <Nix\> vahid: /join #debian-ir, you are from Iran and #debian-ir is the iranian channel for debian iran users
[06:22] <cfhowlett> vahid your error is you are asking for help with debian and we're not going to help you unless you use ubuntu.
[06:22] <linuxdragon> what's go in on people
[06:23] <agent_white> linuxdragon: \o
[06:23] <vahid> back bux not ubuntu??
[06:23] <cfhowlett> !flavors|vahid
[06:23] <cfhowlett> vahid if it's not one of the above, we don't support it.
[06:23] <Nix\> vahid: you read me?
[06:23] <vahid> ya nex
[06:24] <vahid> nix how install virtuall box in back box
[06:24] <Nix\> vahid: لمستخدمي ديبيان إيران
[06:24] <linuxdragon> why can't I get ubuntu 13.10 to play dvd;s
[06:24] <Nix\> حاجه / الانضمام # ديبيان الأشعة تحت الحمراء، وأنت من إيران و# ديبيان الأشعة تحت الحمراء هي القناة الإيرانية لمستخدمي ديبيان إيران
[06:24] <cfhowlett> vahid download one of the ubuntu flavors.  install it.  THEN we can help.  we WILL NOT HELP with back box linux so stop asking.
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> linuxdragon: did you try vlc?
[06:24] <cfhowlett> !english
[06:24] <linuxdragon> yes
[06:24] <davido__> agent_white: I'm going to try the pmi method now.
[06:25] <vahid> im persian not arabian
[06:25] <Nix\> cfhowlett: vahid is from Iran.- He don't understand me obviously.
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> linuxdragon: what happens when you try play a dvd with vlc?
[06:25] <Nix\> vahid: Ok, the IP is from Iran.
[06:25] <Nix\> persia is iran..
[06:25] <vahid> how
[06:25] <linuxdragon> it just giv's me a 404 err
[06:25] <Nix\> vahid: join to #debian channel
[06:25] <Nix\> debian is not Ubuntu
[06:26] <vahid> debian not worked
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> linuxdragon: you install your graphics driver and installed codecs?
[06:26] <Nix\> re ask vahid
[06:26] <Nix\> try again
[06:26] <vahid> ok by
[06:26] <Nix\> or install Ubuntu
[06:26] <citrix> kar diya
[06:27] <davido__> agent_white: "pmi action whatever" just produces: Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.Hal was not provided by any .service files
[06:28] <agent_white> Ahhh shit
[06:28] <davido__> Whatever the F that means. ;) haha
[06:28] <agent_white> davido__: What about the "dbus" one?
[06:28] <vahid> im install back box
[06:29] <vahid> back box is ubuntu or debian??
[06:29] <cfhowlett> vahid go elsewhere.  no help for you here.
[06:29] <cfhowlett> vahid it is NOT ubuntu.
[06:29] <Ben64> vahid: its not ubuntu so it is not supported here, check the website you got it from for support options
[06:29] <vahid> way??back bux is ubuntu12.4
[06:29] <cfhowlett> vahid it is not.  IT IS NOT.
[06:29] <vahid> nix hi
[06:30] <cfhowlett> !flavors  READ
[06:30] <cfhowlett> !flavors
[06:30] <agent_white> davido__: Hahah exactly! That's just an error on top of an error... we'll go onto http://askubuntu.com/questions/1792/how-can-i-suspend-hibernate-from-command-line/131022#131022
[06:32] <vahid> how install virtuall bux in back box
[06:32] <agent_white> vahid: Step 1) You put your virtual in the bawks..
[06:32] <Ben64> vahid: please listen. we can't help you. you are not using ubuntu.
[06:33] <cfhowlett> vahid I'll do it for you.  send me $100
[06:33]  * agent_white slaps vahid around with a large trout
[06:33] <davido_> agent_white: I'm apparently beyond help too. :)  ...at least I listen though.
[06:33] <packjam> what's a back box?
[06:33] <tony___> hola! could anyone help me with a quick file permissions issue?
[06:33] <Ben64> tony___: can't tell until you ask
[06:33] <bazhang> !permissions | tony___
[06:34] <agent_white> davido_: Shit... yeah I honestly have no idea at this point.
[06:34] <tony___> haha
[06:34] <agent_white> davido_: I would say to repost your question again, and see who baits it and can help :)
[06:34] <tony___> basically, while in root.. I do a chown -R tony dir/
[06:34] <davido_> Ok, so the question:.........
[06:35] <tony___> and a chmod -R 666 dir/
[06:35] <tony___> but when I exit to user tony
[06:35] <tony___> I still can't access
[06:35]  * agent_white graps soapbox for davido_
[06:35] <davido_> If I suspend, by any means known to man, my screen will go black, the keyboard and mouse become unresponsive, but the lights and drives remain on.  The power button will also not help, except to hold it for five seconds and shut down, restart the system.
[06:36] <davido_> agent_white: ^^ Does that about cover it? :)
[06:36] <Ben64> tony___: pastebin "ls -ld dir/"
[06:36] <qin_> tony___: and what does: ls -l  dir/; shows?
[06:36] <tony___> when I do ls -l dir/ as root
[06:37] <tony___> ls -l hosts/
[06:37] <tony___> total 94732
[06:37] <tony___> -rw-r--r-- 1 tony tony 32322411 May 18 02:02 192.168.1.102.log
[06:37] <tony___> -rw-r--r-- 1 tony tony 37365412 May 18 01:18 192.168.1.107.log
[06:37] <Ben64> tony___: wait a sec, chmod 666? you really should read more about linux permissions before doing stuff :) you need +x on directories in order to use them properly
[06:37] <ax9> How to install GIMPShop on Ubuntu?
[06:37] <agent_white> davido_: + "Moving mouse, tapping keys, tapping power, closing lid have NO effect to resume from suspend." ;D
[06:37] <Ben64> tony___: also, pastebin, not paste in the channel. try keeping your lines to a minimum here
[06:37] <cfhowlett> !info gimpshop
[06:37] <davido_> agent_white: AND: the log ends with "performing suspend"
[06:38] <davido_> but the system stays powered- on,
[06:38] <tony___> ugh.. that was it.. I needed a 7
[06:38] <packjam> back box, gimpshop all stuff I've never heard of before
[06:38] <ax9> See? There is no such package.
[06:38] <agent_white> davido_: Yup! :D To be honest, this pretty much deserves a post on the Ubuntu boards when you get it solved to help out any other lost souls...
[06:38] <tony___> I figured just for looking and adding files I could just do read and write
[06:38] <tony___> didn't realize directories needed execute
[06:38] <agent_white> It's one of those most basic functions that are catastrophic to debug when not working.
[06:38] <davido_> Over the past "forever", I've always been hoping that the "send report" would finally get some attention. ;)
[06:39] <aeon-ltd> ax9: gimp does have a single window mode, is that close enough for you?
[06:39] <Ben64> tony___: you should be much more careful with a root shell
[06:39] <cfhowlett> ax9 http://linux.suramya.com/tutorials/Install_GIMPShop/
[06:39] <ax9> I can't get used to GIMP keys and interface, gimshop is kinda perfect for me.
[06:40] <packjam> does gimp support ps actions?
[06:40] <ax9> I try those two, didn't change anything, still gimp default.ui
[06:40] <agent_white> davido_: Yeah shit right?! :) Maybe it would be a good idea to see if your window manager has an IRC channel as well... like #gnome or otherwise. Just to open up some more streams for help if anything :)
[06:40] <davido_> unity?
[06:41] <davido_> agent_white: The hardest thing is knowing that anywhere I go, I'm going to have to explain it all over again. :)
[06:42] <ax9> Ubuntu 14.04 bugs are fixed?
[06:42] <agent_white> davido_: I feel you there man... sometimes I have an editor open with my issue to mass copy-pasta to channels ;P
[06:42] <davido_> lol.  No, all bugs won't be fixed until 14.05.
[06:42] <agent_white> _eventually_ someone will come along that knows just what you are dealing with :)
[06:42] <cfhowlett> ax9 you ARE aware that there's been no development for, oh, 7 years, right?>
[06:42] <agent_white> cfhowlett: Wait what? Seriously?
[06:43] <ax9> Yeah, but its okay, i'll just get used to it.
[06:43] <cfhowlett> agent-white https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIMPshop
[06:43] <davido_> 7 years may as well be a lifetime.
[06:43] <cfhowlett> gimpshop released 05/17/06 - development on hold
[06:44] <ax9> !info scratch
[06:44] <agent_white> cfhowlett: Oh wow, I didn't read... I thought you were saying Ubuntu as a whole... but that _is_ surprising for GIMP.
[06:45] <davido_> scratch, pfffft... start 'em out in Racket and SICP, and it's sink or swim.
[06:45] <cfhowlett> agent_white gimpshop ain't gimp.  gimp is still in current development
[06:45] <agent_white> cfhowlett: Oh... 'GIMP with turbo' I presume?
[06:46] <ax9> Gimpshop is gimp customized to look like adobe photoshop
[06:46] <cfhowlett> agent_white never used gimpshop.  ancient software's tend not to do well over time
[06:46] <agent_white> cfhowlett: Well put ;)
[06:47] <agent_white> ax9: Aye, that's what I mean by my comment.
[06:47] <agent_white> But if you have bugs with it, and want to use it, become a contributor!
[06:47] <ax9> I gonna give Inkscape a try, should be enough for making long shadow icons.
[06:47] <davido_> agent_white: I'm going to have to tinker with bios settings someday, and hope not to brick the system. ;)
[06:48] <agent_white> davido_: It's hard to brick it, since generally when you update the BIOS you are shitting bricks already. ;D
[06:48] <packjam> after using 5 distro's I am back to ubuntu-studio again
[06:48] <Ben64> agent_white: watch the language in here
[06:48] <agent_white> davido_: But, I still maintain "If it ain't broken, don't fix it!"
[06:48] <agent_white> Ben64: Sorry about that!
[06:49] <ax9> !info xfce4 xfce4-goodies
[06:49] <davido_> agent_white: I *may* just push all my git repos, make sure my home is backed up, and do a clean install.
[06:49] <ax9> !info xfce4
[06:50] <agent_white> davido_: I would be iffy about that... sounds like it could be a bit deeper than that.
[06:50] <agent_white> davido_: If I were you, I would probably said "fuck it, I'll just close the lid and hope it's charged." ;P
[06:50] <davido_> Yeah, probably so.  I think 13.10 was a clean install for me too, and I still had the problem then too.
[06:50] <agent_white> It may very well be a kernel issue, needing to update or downgrade too..
[06:50] <davido_> agent_white: Well, it is a desktop, but yes.
[06:50] <ax9> Good software for web development?
[06:51] <agent_white> davido_: Oh shit! Then fuck hibernating! ;D
[06:51] <agent_white> Ben64: Sorry, language.
[06:51] <davido_> I just leave it on 24/7.
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> ax9: lot of usefull dev tools in software centre
[06:51] <agent_white> davido_: Dude... then I'm wondering why you want to hibernate!
[06:52] <davido_> Well, all this has been to save myself $50/year in energy... and not even that... mostly just to get something that should be working, working.
[06:52] <agent_white> Ohhhhhhhh!
[06:52] <ax9> lotuspsychje: there is a highlight syntax for html/css/js?
[06:52] <davido_> I use geany, ax9.
[06:52] <agent_white> Good point. I guess I'm one of the Linux users that always shutdown... I just feel badly for my RAM not being able to clear it's belly ;P
[06:53] <davido_> (when I want a gui-style editor that does syntax highlighting across a bunch of languages)
[06:53] <agent_white> s/it's/its
[06:53] <ax9> i feel bad for my hardware too :')
[06:54] <apb1963> ubuntu 12.04 - I changed something - I don't remember what and can't find it again.  Now instead of opening PDF files in chrome, it downloads them.  I looked through chrome settings, and system settings... but... I just can't find, or remember what I changed.  Any ideas?
[06:54] <davido_> agent_white: I'm going to have to get into that habit.  I work from home (Perl dev), and "always on" just works better with my workflow.
[06:54] <purezen> Guys, I am using 13.04, all updated.. However, it is running firefox 26 as of now and on checking it doesn't show any update for any later version (29 is the latest IIRC). Please help!
[06:55] <xangua> purezen: you are using a no longer supported release
[06:55] <bazhang> purezen, its eol, upgrade it
[06:55] <ax9> Why Gnome Keyring ask me for password when i open Chromium, every single time.
[06:55] <bazhang> !eolupgrades | purezen
[06:55] <davido_> ax9: For a light-weight gui editor that does decent syntax highlighting, geany, or bluefish (the latter is probably better for HTML)
[06:56] <purezen> xangua, bazhang Hey! Thanks guys.. Got that. Though, the LTS versions had some longer support periods.. Didn't they?
[06:56] <purezen> Anyways, I'll check. Thx :)
[06:56] <agent_white> davido_: Nah you're a dev, it's a good habit :)  I am/was a sysadmin, so I _should_ be in the same habit.
[06:56] <xangua> 13.04 is not LTS
[06:56] <bazhang> purezen, 14.04 is LTS
[06:56] <apb1963> purezen 12.04 and 14.04 are LTS.... but nothing in between
[06:56] <ax9> davido_: i just got geany, like it so far, just werks.
[06:56] <davido_> I find that leaving it on is conducive to "batting out a solution the moment I think of it."
[06:57] <purezen> bazhang, apb1963 Hmm.. Ok.
[06:57] <davido_> ax9: When I'm not using vi, it's geany, and I've been doing it that way for years.
[06:57] <agent_white> Very true. And having to resetup your environment is a bitch. (I use i3 and like my Windows in their pretty-places.)
[06:58] <ax9> agent_white: i3 is a tilling wm, right?
[06:58] <agent_white> ax9: Yup!
[06:58] <vahid> how install virtual box in back box
[06:58] <agent_white> vahid: You can't.
[06:58] <agent_white> !next
[06:59] <ax9> !i3
[06:59] <bazhang> agent_white, dont do that
[06:59] <agent_white> bazhang: I was seeing if a bot had that scripted.
[06:59] <cfhowlett> vahid now you're just being silly
[06:59] <agent_white> bazhang: But we're been trying to get rid of the troll for a couple hours now.
[06:59] <davido_> Actually, I can provision a new system in an hour or two... Install the OS, brew a non-system Perl, install a couple of DB's, pull in geany, and some familiar Perl modules, install Racket, g++, chrome, virtualbox, copy over a vb image for when I need to test under IE... done!
[06:59] <bazhang> agent_white, the !next is not helpful at all
[06:59] <agent_white> bazhang: I would not direct it at a person that is not a troll.
[07:00] <bazhang> agent_white, just dont do it at all, thanks.
[07:00] <agent_white> vahid is trolling. But understood, I won't.
[07:00] <davido_> He's just here to get a rise out of people.
[07:01] <davido_> oh, and git
[07:01] <ax9> A theme like Numix work on all WMs?
[07:02] <davido_> Alright, it's past my bedtime. :) Thanks for the help, regardless of the outcome.  :)
[07:04] <purezen> So, guys, how do I upgrade from 13.04 to 14.04? Will my data, settings remain preserved? What (if i.e.) shall I loose?
[07:04] <cfhowlett> !eolupgrade|purezen
[07:05] <cfhowlett> purezen if you have a dedicated /home partition, settings should be retained.
[07:05] <purezen> cfhowlett, Ok. Yeah, I have one.
[07:05] <purezen> cfhowlett, That also means my browser history etc? Nothing will be deleted right?
[07:06] <cfhowlett> purezen so long as you don't format the /home ...
[07:06] <purezen> cfhowlett, Hmm.. Ok.
[07:06] <davido_> backups are always a good plan. :)
[07:07] <purezen> Will my Rails setup also work fine in that case? cfhowlett
[07:07] <purezen> davido_,  How do I do that?
[07:07] <apb1963> I imagine it depends on _which_ settings... I just got done modifying /etc/ld.so.conf and I have a custom cron file
[07:07] <cfhowlett> !backup|purezen
[07:07] <cervo> Does anyone know what is the term for what I'm trying to do. I want to use a vpn connection but only for a vnc connection. I want all my traffic to go through default network interface.
[07:07] <davido_> I use duplicity.
[07:07] <apb1963> not to mention a variety of other changes to system settings
[07:07] <bazhang> !info etckeeper
[07:07] <purezen> cfhowlett, davido_  Ok guys.
[07:08] <cfhowlett> purezen never used rails.  unformatted /home should retain data and configs IF they are in /home.  Otherwise, don't plan on it.
[07:08] <davido_> some people also put their dot files under VC.
[07:08] <davido_> I've always considered that too much fiddling though.
[07:09] <cfhowlett> davido ... until the FIRST time you nuke your data and configs, it IS too much trouble
[07:09] <apb1963> bazhang: timeshift is interesting for backing up system files... and aptik is also interesting for tracking the packages you've installed.
[07:09] <purezen> cfhowlett, Hmm..
[07:10] <apb1963> i haven't tried duplicity or etckeeper though
[07:11] <davido_> duplicity is easy, and the one or two times I've had to pull something back from it, it's done what I've needed.
[07:14] <apb1963> davido_: can you select specific files to backup?  What about excluding dirs?
[07:16] <davido_> apb1963 You can configure folders to back up, folders to ignore, storage location, and scheduling.  And for retrieval, you may retrieve all or some parts.
[07:16] <davido_> ok, now i really must go. :)
[07:16] <apb1963> davido_: so you have to backup an entire folder... you can't just select inidvidual files?
[07:20] <afidegnum> anyone online please?
[07:20] <bazhang> afidegnum, yes of course
[07:23] <afidegnum> please my apache seems paralyzed with this error: thumbs httpd not running, trying to start  =  no listening sockets available,- shutting down - Unable to open logs - Action 'restart' failed - The Apache error log may have more information.
[07:23] <qin_> apb1963: Having precious file and rubbish files in one folder somehow degradates idea of folder tree.
[07:23] <ridethespiral> I installed 14.04 with nomodeset enabled and now it seems like my core i5 graphics drivers aren't installed. Anyone have some ideas?
[07:24] <ridethespiral> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7482260/
[07:25] <apb1963> qin_: I don't need to backup an entire directory tree when I've only changed one file in it.
[07:25] <ring3> i
[07:25] <ring3> hi
[07:26] <ring3> i need vmlinux instead vlinuz
[07:26] <emrah> i have a weird problem there is no sound while listening music and watchin video  etc in my comp
[07:26] <qin_> apb1963: so you need to sync with back up only, right?
[07:26] <apb1963> qin_: immediate example:  I changed /etc/ld.so.conf   ... why would I need to backup all of /etc ?
[07:26] <ring3> ubuntu kernels are vmlinuz, how to obtain the vmlinux with symbols?
[07:26] <supergauntlet> apb1963: What are you using for backup?
[07:26] <supergauntlet> Tar?
[07:27] <supergauntlet> rsync?
[07:27] <ring3> how can i get the symbols from System.map and put into the vmlinux?
[07:27] <rahuL__> citrix, hii
[07:27] <citrix> mere pas bi time ni hota samje na
[07:28] <apb1963> qin_: I've never really understood synch.. it makes me nervous.  I never know what's going to flow in which direction... and I'm always afraid it will flow the wrong way.
[07:28] <citrix> ha thik hai
[07:29] <apb1963> supergauntlet: in days gone by I used to use tar... but lately, nothing.  I'm still investigating.  I like the concept of timeshift, but it still needs work I think.
[07:30] <apb1963> supergauntlet: I started to investigate rsync and grsync.. but haven't gotten very far.  Kind of overwhelmed by all the info there is, and still have that nervous feeling mentioned above.
[07:31] <agent_white> Don't fret rsync. You should embrace it as default over scp.
[07:31] <apb1963> agent_white: scp?  I don't have a need for scp.  Just have one machine.
[07:32] <agent_white> apb1963: Ohhh wow, sorry. I ready "rsync" and "direction of flow" and assumed you were remotely transferring files.
[07:32] <tata> I use Ubuntu 10.4.4 , my totem player cant play mpg file, how to fix that?
[07:34] <apb1963> agent_white: np :)  I'm not entirely clear on everything..... have an extra disk... at least until my primary disk fails any day now :)
[07:35] <apb1963> timeshift seems to have made some copies... haven't tried to restore yet though.  Still something I need to test.
[07:40] <ring3> I need to debug the kernel with crash tool
[07:40] <ring3> is it possible to download the vmlinux precompiled with symbols?
[07:43] <Nix\> ring3 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/KernelTesting?action=show&redirect=Testing%2FKernelPPA
[07:43] <ring3> tx
[07:45] <Jordan_U> apb1963: If you're familiar with git, etckeeper is great.
[07:46] <Nix\> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelBoot
[07:47] <apb1963> Jordan_U: I'm barely familiar with git.... I can clone something if given explicit directions to copy & paste :)  But I'm guessing that etckeeper is just for /etc ???
[07:48] <B0r3dw15dom> hi friends, My firned is coming to my home with his pc (only cpu, not monitor or mouse )to get ubuntu installed, I am a bit busy so dont want to disconnect my pc, so is there any way i can connect his pc through router or lan???
[07:50] <aeon-ltd> B0r3dw15dom: i don't think you can do remote desktop on that kind of level
[07:50] <aeon-ltd> B0r3dw15dom: it's only 3 cables vga/dvi/hdmi + kb + m anyways
[07:51] <Jordan_U> apb1963: It can be used anywhere, it's basically git (or your preffered RCS) plus additional permissions tracking and optional hooks (like make a commit after every apt/dpkg operation automatically). If you don't plan to learn git (which is an awesome tool), then etckeeper likely isn't for you.
[07:52] <B0r3dw15dom> aeon-ltd thanks, but after installing ubuntu can i then connect it through router to install other softwares etc throuhg my pc
[07:54] <Jordan_U> B0r3dw15dom: There are various ways to automate installing Ubuntu, inluding setring up an ssh server in the install image, but connecting a keyboard and mouse will almost certainly be faster and easier.
[07:54] <wols> B0r3dw15dom: you can. you just install/run openssh-server or vino. then you cann access your friend's PC over the network via ssh or vnc client
[07:55] <apb1963> Jordan_U: I used to use RCS back in the day... nice and simple.. though not actually for backup... for version control.  Not sure git is for me anytime soon.  Maybe eventually.  I need something simple that doesn't require too many brain cycles... I don't know why it's so hard to find a backup program that has basic feature.
[07:55] <apb1963> +s
[07:56] <B0r3dw15dom> thnx a ton Jordan_U wols aeon-ltd
[07:56] <dunkel2> hello
[07:56] <koell> Is there a gui (gtk) filemanager with vim like keys?
[07:57] <dunkel2> how can i change the resolution to fit a small screen?
[07:57] <koell> dunkel2: open unity dash and enter settings
[07:58] <dunkel2> ty
[07:59] <koell> =)
[08:02] <apb1963> installing duplicity now... maybe it'll scratch my itch well enough... by the way... I started ##backup for anyone that would like to talk about backup things... programs, strategies, cloud services... whatever.
[08:02] <helmut_> hi
[08:05] <Mikerhinos> i'm trying to install lubuntu 14.04 on a really old comp, but can't boot live usb :s got a "via ircc device not available" message on splash screen, then black screen. I can access TTY1 and tried the nomodeset boot with no luck. Comp had ubuntu 11.10 before
[08:07] <SECCRET> un flood dam si noi ?
[08:08] <wols> Mikerhinos: if it's really old, can it do PAE?
[08:08] <wols> or NX?
[08:09] <wols> and if you can reach tty1 you have booted already, no?
[08:09] <Mikerhinos> wols: don't know what PAE or NX is :s
[08:09] <wols> those are features of your CPU
[08:09] <wols> what CPU is it?
[08:09] <Mikerhinos> it's a really old cpu, still 32bit 1 core
[08:10] <Mikerhinos> problem seems to be the integrated vga
[08:11] <wols> and what vga is it?
[08:11] <dannyedwrds> Ok when I boot ubuntu live cd after the ubuntu boot screen the screen stays black with no black light I have no way of getting to nomodeset and I can't even open a terminal window
[08:12] <dannyedwrds> Any ideas would be particually helpful
[08:13] <VaticanCameos> dannyedwrds: Any blinking cursor?
[08:13] <dannyedwrds> VaticanCameos: There isn't even a cursor
[08:13] <Mikerhinos> wols: VIA I belive (it's not my comp but error message on splash screen is "via ircc device not available")
[08:13] <wols> dannyedwrds: don't go out of your way to give useful info e.g. about the hardware. cause that would be just to hard to do
[08:13] <VaticanCameos> All I have to add is that I was having a series of problems just a few days ago when installing ubuntu onto my laptop, after a Windows wipe. The problem, in the end, was that the LiveUSB was corrupt. I had to recreate it.
[08:13] <wols> Mikerhinos: this goes for you too
[08:14] <VaticanCameos> wols: lol
[08:14] <Mikerhinos> found that http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2130640 reading it just in case
[08:15] <dannyedwrds> wols: My graphics card is an ATI Radeon HD 8400 and my an amd a6-5200 quad core CUP
[08:15] <dannyedwrds> Its an HP laptop and has 6GB of ram
[08:16] <dannyedwrds> *CPU
[08:16] <wols> that hardware would be supported out of the box
[08:17] <dannyedwrds> wols: That's what im saying idk what's going on
[08:17] <andy_vector> ?
[08:18] <wols> check integrity of live cd medium as VaticanCameos suggested
[08:19] <andy_vector> quit
[08:19] <andy_vector> what's up
[08:19] <VaticanCameos> dannyedwrds: Do you have windows too?
[08:23] <dannyedwrds> VaticanCameos: I have windows 8.1 installed on my system that's why im using the live cd to make sure all my hardware works before I completly replace it
[08:23] <Mikerhinos> ok so found that LXLE iso, downloading, seems like it could be the solution to my problem, it's 12.04 based and optimized for old hardware
[08:23] <VaticanCameos> Ah
[08:24] <VaticanCameos> You must've set the BIOS to boot from CD
[08:24] <VaticanCameos> Then the problem should be the CD itself.
[08:25] <Darc> How do I change my screen res in linux?
[08:26] <Darc> xrander -s 1920x1080 doesn't work
[08:26] <Darc> xrandr*
[08:26] <Mikerhinos> Darc: Nvidia GPU ?
[08:27] <Darc> amd
[08:27] <Mikerhinos> Darc: can't help, I have Nvidia sorry
[08:27] <dannyedwrds> Vatican: Booting isn't the problem after the ubuntu boot screen you know the one with the orange loading bar the screen goes black with no back light
[08:29] <Darc> Okay I'm switching from Bodhi. Should I get Ubuntu or Xubuntu?
[08:33] <sh_> Darc: show me output of "xrandr -s 1920x1080"
[08:33] <MonkeyDust> Darc  the one you like best
[08:33] <Mikerhinos> Darc: depends on the desktop environment you like best
[08:34] <andy_vector> why wine QQ display bad
[08:41] <gry__> how do I know what iwl4965 module version is in 14.04?
[08:43] <wols> gry__: it's part of the kernel. modinfo might work
[08:44] <leogrey> which is the link to instructions to install ubuntu mobile ?
[08:44] <gry__> wols: I have not installed 14.04 yet, need to know from the web.
[08:44] <btcbuy314> does anyone know what a database is used for? like mysql
[08:44] <btcbuy314> give me examples
[08:44] <wols> gry__: it's in the kernel tree for years. there is no version in any meaningful way
[08:45] <wols> its version is the same as the kernels
[08:45] <cfhowlett> btcbuy314 medical recods
[08:45] <cfhowlett> records
[08:45] <wols> btcbuy314: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database    and do your homework elsewhere please
[08:45] <gry__> wols: I have to figure out what changed in this specific module over the last 2 years.
[08:45] <wols> gry__: why?
[08:46] <gry__> wols: I'm on 12.04, it's acting up, I have to figure out whether updating to 14.04 is worth it or the problem is not fixed yet.
[08:46] <gry__> wols: if there were no changes to that module during the last 2 years then odds are I need to file a bug to its authors/maintainers.
[08:46] <wols> acting up how? and since 4965 is so old it's very unlikely anything changed
[08:47] <gry__> That's what I need to check.
[08:47] <wols> the only thing you can do is look at kernel changelogs or the sources of the module
[08:47] <wols> odds are it's not a bug
[08:47] <leogrey> ubuntu mobile please ? links
[08:47] <gry__> Where are kernel changelogs or sources of the module?
[08:47] <gry__> !mobile
[08:47] <gry__> !touch
[08:47] <cfhowlett> !touch|leogrey
[08:48] <peppppeee> cia
[08:48] <peppppeee> !list
[08:49] <leogrey> cfhowlett: Got it
[08:51] <gry_> wols, I disconnected and missed replies, if any.
[08:52] <ColinShen> so quite
[08:55] <ikonia> gry_: what's going on with your network card thats a problem ?
[08:59] <dannyedwrds> Vaticanameos: Booting isn't the problem after the ubuntu boot screen you know the one with the orange loading bar the screen goes black with no back light
[09:00] <ptl> how do I boot from Ubuntu to an SD device, without fiddling with BIOS/UEFI?
[09:00] <ptl> might be by using other disks
[09:00] <ptl> cd-rom
[09:01] <lolmaus> I've got an SSD and an HDD in my laptop. HDD got extremely slow. Takes 15 seconds for Ctrl+A to complete in my file manager. What can be the problem? Kubuntu 14.04.
[09:02] <ikonia> lolmaus: how do you have 2 HD's in the laptop
[09:02] <ikonia> lolmaus: dual hard disk ports or via a different bus ?
[09:02] <lolmaus> ikonia: the SSD is mSATA.
[09:03] <ikonia> lolmaus: is this a thinkpad ?
[09:03] <lolmaus> ikonia: yes. I could also install a third drive into a CD bay.
[09:03] <ikonia> lolmaus: are you using the intenral m-sata port ?
[09:07] <lolmaus> ikonia: yes
[09:07] <ikonia> lolmaus: ok, so which is your primary disk running the OS ?
[09:08] <lolmaus> ikonia: the SSD
[09:08] <lolmaus> and the performance issue is with the HDD
[09:08] <Egon^641q^> Hellooooooooooo!!!
[09:08] <Egon^641q^> !list
[09:08] <ikonia> lolmaus: ok, so if you do "sudo fdisk -l" does it return the 2 disks quickly ?
[09:09] <lolmaus> ikonia: yes, it returns immediately
[09:09] <ikonia> lolmaus: ok, so it walks the bus quickly thats not bad
[09:09] <ikonia> lolmaus: ao is it I/O in general that's slow to the second disk, or just specific functions
[09:10] <lolmaus> ikonia: can you please give a quick snippet to test IO?
[09:10] <ikonia> copy a file from the SSD to the spining disk, try a reasonable file size
[09:12] <lolmaus> ikonia: it turns out that it's not the HDD that got slow, but a single window of Dolphin. When i opened the HDD in another window, there was no lag. I'm sorry to have bothered you.
[09:12] <ikonia> lolmaus: it's no bother
[09:12] <ikonia> lolmaus: it's good news that it was just a little software glitch
[09:12] <lolmaus> ikonia: you're a kind person. ^_^
[09:14] <radenpioneer> hello all
[09:26] <c3l> Any idea on why I cannot select persistent storage when using usb-creator for a new usb (formated as fat32) from my 14.04 xubuntu?
[09:26] <saidi> what is the reverse of: sudo apt-mark hold firefox
[09:28] <kostkon> saidi, man apt-mark
[09:28] <kostkon> saidi, sudo apt-mark unhold firefox
[09:29] <gry_> ikonia: pastee.org/ew67s in dmesg, internet connection keeps hopping, I am on 12.04.
[09:29] <saidi> kostkon, thank you
[09:31] <gry_> ikonia: pastee.org/wxpnm is the modinfo.
[09:33] <ikonia> gry_: has it always been a problem or just since $X point in time
[09:33] <BartDude> Anyone else here on Ubuntu 14.04 having constant problems trying to connect to your VPN?
[09:35] <rtzui> Hi. the indicator applet is constanly crashing. Is there a way to disable the global menu, since this seems the be the issue
[09:36] <gry_> ikonia: It is an intermittent problem after I moved to a new location about a year ago. Before that, I only used wired Internet.
[09:36] <ikonia> gry_: ok, so you don't have a solid idea of how stable it was before the move then, eg: could have never been solid, or could be the location move thats causing a problem
[09:36] <ikonia> gry_: when it drops is it a full interface drop or a disconnect from the AP
[09:37] <gry_> ikonia: It starts hopping randomly and keeps doing that the whole day. Some days it does not, some days it does. Somehow more in the last month. -- Yes, I agree, but it works fine on a laptop with the same hardware and another OS on it, in the same room.
[09:37] <ilhami> hey
[09:37] <ilhami> what does it mean when a file name has ~ at its end?
[09:37] <ilhami> after the extension??+
[09:38] <gry_> ikonia: I don't know whether it is a full interface drop but I believe not, because I turned off network manager and wicd, and I notice that I don't have to ifup it again manually. So either (i) it's not an interface drop, or (ii) _something_ restores the interface for me.
[09:38] <ikonia> gry_: that's interesting, so when you say hopping, does that mean it disconnects and trys to find a new AP  ?
[09:38] <kostkon> rtzui, no, it's part of the unity-panel. what's the name of the process that is crashing
[09:38] <gry_> ikonia: It loses internet connection, hosts don't resolve, and I have to wait 15-45 seconds before it starts working again.
[09:38] <ikonia> gry_: ok, so sounds like an AP drop and reconnect
[09:38] <gry_> Yeah, I concur.
[09:39] <ikonia> gry_: the other laptop that does work is that an intel card too ?
[09:39] <gry_> ikonia, It is identical hardware.
[09:39] <rtzui> kostkon: xfce4-indicator-plugin
[09:39] <ikonia> damn, that's annoying
[09:39] <gry_> So yes.
[09:39] <ikonia> gry_: any USB 3 hardware close by ?
[09:39] <rtzui> it's not on the unity desktop
[09:39] <kostkon> rtzui, oh, xubuntu/xfce
[09:39] <Mikerhinos> okay finally had a desktop screen using LXLE in Vesa mode...installing, hope that it won't take minutes to open a single application :s
[09:39] <BartDude> Anyone else here on Ubuntu 14.04 having constant problems trying to connect to your VPN?
[09:39] <ilhami> can someone answer me?
[09:39] <gry_> I have no idea whether this thing supports USB3. I would have to go and check in the manual, unless there's a way to know from the commandline.
[09:40] <ilhami> gry_ I know you can
[09:40] <ikonia> gry_: no no, that's fine, I meant like a usb disk or something
[09:40] <Mikerhinos> ilhami: I think it's to show that the file is a backup
[09:40] <gry_> ilhami, hi. "~" means a temporary file of sorts, probably some editor autosave, I believe.
[09:40] <ilhami> oh okay. yeah gedit must have done it then
[09:40] <ikonia> gry_: USB3 hardware that's plugged in can sometimes cause drops, I used to have the same problem with a mac as the intel cards seem a little more suseptible on it, but that's out of the window
[09:40] <gry_> ikonia: I have a 2GB USB flash drive.
[09:40] <ikonia> gry_: worth looking at the date on the firmware file
[09:41] <gry_> ikonia, oh, and a USB keyboard and mouse are always active.
[09:41] <ikonia> gry_: not a USB3 flash drive though....
[09:41] <gry_> Dunno what they're using. I don't have a USB3 flash drive plugged in.
[09:41] <ikonia> gry_: doesn't matter about the interface on the laptop, it's the interface on the device that's plugged in
[09:41] <ikonia> gry_: bit of a long shot, but I thought worth checking
[09:41] <gry_> Okay.
[09:41] <ikonia> gry_: check the date on the firmware of the card
[09:42] <gry_> How do I do that?
[09:42] <ikonia> gry_: thats the thing that really changes between releases these days
[09:42] <ikonia> gry_: /var/lib/firmware (from memory)
[09:42] <ikonia> gry_: the drivers been pretty solid/stable for years so there is no much changing there
[09:42] <gry_> No such file /var/lib/firmware.
[09:42] <ikonia> gry_: I'll have to look up the path, not got an ubuntu box here
[09:43] <gry_> Okay, thank you.
[09:43] <ikonia> gry_: your paste also shows pastee.org/wxpnm
[09:43] <ikonia> oops
[09:43] <ikonia> gry_: your paste also shows firmware:       iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode
[09:44] <ikonia> gry_: what does the syslog say on it, does it show the interface changing at all,
[09:44] <ikonia> as the fw_restart:restart firmware in case of error (int)
[09:44] <ikonia> looks interesting
[09:45] <callowayj> anybody see the Ubuntu cloud in a box?
[09:46] <ikonia> gry_: sorry to dump about 20 bits of info on you at once
[09:47] <nibbio> list
[09:47] <ikonia> nibbio: won't work here
[09:54] <hdtune2k> hi
[09:55] <BartDude> Anyone else here on Ubuntu 14.04 having constant problems trying to connect to your VPN?
[09:58] <somsip> !info vurtualbox
[09:58] <somsip> !info virtualbox
[10:11] <rtzui> I wonder if anybody else has this problem: Does somebody have a nm-applet working with xubuntu?
[10:11] <sl33k_> xfce4 does not ask for password on screen lock. Why could be that?
[10:12] <rtzui> And if so, is it in the notification area, or in xfce4-indicator-plugin
[10:12] <rtzui> sl33k_: it seems to be disabled by default
[10:13] <rtzui> look at the settings. Also the release notes say somthing that remvoing  xlocker (if installed) should help
[10:13] <supauli> I am having weird problem with grub2 and efi : seems like very boot its 'recordfail=1' and even with GRUB_RECORDFAILTIMEOUT=5 it still just waits for me on the boot
[10:14] <supauli> any ideas how to debug what is causing the recordfail=1 on the enviroment there?
[10:17] <umair> hi!, after fresh upgrade to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, I am now trying to install ATI drivers but it is failing with these errors http://paste.ubuntu.com/7482834/. It seems like I am missing some dependencies, what is the appropriate way of installing all dependencies required by ATI drivers?
[10:17] <supauli> umair: how are you installing the driver? with dpkg ?
[10:18] <supauli> and is the driver from where?
[10:18] <bazhang> umair, from the ati website? or the recommended way through ubuntu additional drivers method
[10:18] <umair> supauli: I am following this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD#Installing_upstream_drivers_directly_from_AMD.27s_website
[10:18] <Guest62835> i
[10:18] <umair> bazhang: official amd site
[10:19] <supauli> umair: tha page says "In this how-to an AMD64 Catalyst 13.4 installation on an Ubuntu 13.1 system (Saucy)"
[10:20] <supauli> is the package valid for 14.04 anyway? (seems like not :)
[10:20] <umair> there is "1. Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Trusty" in that guide
[10:20] <supauli> oh there is 14.04 section also, so it should work
[10:20] <supauli> you are right
[10:20] <supauli> at what step did you get those print ?
[10:20] <umair> that very step :)
[10:21] <supauli> umair: You did do the steps before ?
[10:22] <umair> I am not doing point 2 (except apt-get update)
[10:22] <umair> because it seems for 10.10
[10:23] <ring3> does the ubuntu's vmliunz have symbols?
[10:24] <gry_> ikonia: checking syslog
[10:26] <supauli> umair: try manually installing package 'xserver-xorg-dev' as it suggests?
[10:27] <umair> supauli: is it as easy as doing it with apt-get?
[10:27] <umair> supauli: these packages "debhelper dh-modaliases xserver-xorg-dev"
[10:27] <agent_white> Is Ubuntu planning on using systemd in the future?
[10:27] <ikonia> yes
[10:28] <gry_> ikonia, pastee.org/63zuw
[10:29] <ikonia> gry_: all loks good with the exception of 1 warning, but I'm not %100 sure that's actually a problem and not just part of the handshake
[10:32] <fnoyanisi> hi folks, any way to allow (by default) any host to connect ubuntu via vino?
[10:32] <umair> supauli: seems to work with apt-get as those errors are gone
[10:32] <fnoyanisi> I have vino running, and there is no issue with connecting, but ubuntu-box keeps asking for confirmation
[10:38] <colinshen> hi
[10:38] <Moony22> hi
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> fnoyanisi: you have firewall or router that could block?
[10:39] <Moony22> I'm starting to like unity
[10:40] <fnoyanisi> lotuspsychje : I have no issues with connecting to ubuntu box, vino just asks for confirmation whether I want to allow the user to connect
[10:40] <fnoyanisi> I want particular IPs to be able to connect all the time
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> fnoyanisi: maybe this can help? http://askubuntu.com/questions/285011/access-with-vino-without-ask-me-permissions
[10:41] <colinshen> i am very new for using ubuntu...so i use google to find how to add a lunch icon..but i can not find add icon by click right button on window..
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> colinshen: drag and drop icons to left unity bar
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> colinshen: or open an application and right mouse on the active icon/lock to bar
[10:42] <colinshen> what should i do ?
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> colinshen: wich program you like to add?
[10:42] <Moony22> colinshen: what icon do you want to add?
[10:42] <colinshen> webstorm..
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> colinshen: ok open webstorm
[10:42] <colinshen> i already downloaded
[10:43] <Moony22> open it
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> colinshen: and you will see an active icon of webstorm on left bar
[10:43] <colinshen> using commend to open  it?
[10:43] <Moony22> then right click it and click "lock to launcher"
[10:43] <gry_> ikonia: yeah, I guess I'll have to figure out where the source code for the module is and whether it changed. If yes, upgrade. If not, contact Intel. (Unless there is something else for me to try?)
[10:43] <Moony22> colinshen: anything, yeah
[10:44] <colinshen> ok i will try..thanks..
[10:44] <fnoyanisi> lotuspsychje : worked well, cheers
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> !yay | fnoyanisi
[10:44] <ikonia> gry_: so looking through the kenrnel docs, it's not changed for a fair while
[10:45] <ikonia> gry_: the firmware certainly has had minior version bumps
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> fnoyanisi: also be carefull with vnc for security reasons
[10:45] <colinshen> oh-.-i have to install jdk before lunch it...
[10:45] <fnoyanisi> lotuspsychje : it is home LAN
[10:45] <fnoyanisi> lotuspsychje : no big issues unless my wireless is comprimised
[10:45] <fnoyanisi> :)
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> fnoyanisi: ok cheers :p
[10:46] <ikonia> gry_: if you're on 12.04 maybe try the backported LTS enablement stack kernels ?
[10:46] <ring3> hi, i need ubuntu vmlinux with symbols
[10:46] <ikonia> gry_: before diving in with an upgrae
[10:46] <ring3> does ubuntu has this?
[10:47] <ring3> I haven't seen on the web any ubuntu vmlinux repo :(
[10:47] <ikonia> ring3: you know that it is the kernel ?
[10:47] <ikonia> that's what vmlinuz is
[10:48] <dannyedwrds> Well it seems like no one on here has a clue what to do about the problem I have been having.  I am trying to test out the live cd of Ubuntu 14,04 after the ubuntu boot screen my screen turns black and there is no back light and I can not get into the terminal and there is no choice for the nomodeset on the boot screen.  my graphics card is an ATI Radeon HD8400
[10:48] <ring3> ikonia: yes
[10:48] <ring3> i converted the vmlinuz to vmlinux
[10:48] <ikonia> ring3: so the kernel is in the base repos, so I don't know why you are looking for different repos
[10:48] <ring3> but doesnt have the symbols section
[10:49] <ring3> i need symbols, is to debug the kernel
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> dannyedwrds: did you press F1 at purple boot setup to chose 'nomodeset'?
[10:49] <dannyedwrds> lotuspsychje: I already tried that nothing happens
[10:49] <ikonia> ring3: I'm pretty sure there is a kernel debug package for each kernel in the repo
[10:49] <ikonia> although I can't get the package name for you as I'm not on an ubunut machine at the moment
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> dannyedwrds: but you see the purple boot from setup?
[10:50] <ring3> ikonia: i found this: deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com $(lsb_release -cs)-security main restricted universe multiverse
[10:50] <ikonia> ring3: what is that ?? that's just a text string for your repos ??? what are you trying to actually do ?
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> dannyedwrds: your monitor shuts down black like cable is not attached?
[10:51] <ring3> ddebs repo, have the un compressed vmlinux with symbols
[10:51] <ikonia> ring3: are you looking for the dbgsym packages
[10:51] <ring3> whats this?
[10:51] <dannyedwrds> lotuspsychje: I used unetbootin to create a live usb and I mean the boot screen where there the orange loading bar is....yes and like when the monitor isn't plugged in
[10:51] <ikonia> ring3: thats the debug symbols packages
[10:52] <ring3> i will install pkg-create-dbgsym
[10:52] <ikonia> why ?
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> dannyedwrds: you sure unetbootin sucessfully made your usb live?
[10:52] <ring3> how can i download the vmlinux for my version full of symbols?
[10:52] <ikonia> ring3: I've just told you the dbgsym packages for your matching kernel
[10:52] <ikonia> ring3: from the repo you've just posted
[10:53] <ring3> aah ok
[10:53] <gry_> ikonia: what is the backported stuff? is it not exactly as much stuff to download as if I was doing a total upgrade?
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> dannyedwrds: maybe just to test, try a lubuntu 14.04 live usb, and see what it does?
[10:53] <thom__> good morning. When I install the latest version of LTS there is initially a nice page with keyboard shortcuts. Where is this page and how to get it back? cant find in help.
[10:53] <ikonia> gry_: 12.04 has a backport of the later release kernels, it's called the "LTS enablement stack"
[10:53] <ikonia> gry_: it will allow you to run the backported kernels from later releases on your box and still have "LTS compatibility/support"
[10:54] <ikonia> gry_: maybe worth a punt before you dive in with a full upgrade
[10:54] <kostkon> ring3, what's your kernel? depends on what iso version you have installed
[10:54] <kostkon> oops
[10:54] <ring3> 3.11.0-20-generic
[10:54] <dannyedwrds> lotuspsychje: im sure that it created it because if it was corrupt it wouldn't even boot at all
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> thom__: its the hotkey icon
[10:54] <kostkon> gry_, ^^
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> dannyedwrds: ok and your graphics card recently worked right?
[10:55] <kostkon> ring3, then you installed using the 12.04.4 iso
[10:55] <kostkon> damn, kinda confured here
[10:55] <thom__> lotuspsychje, sorry. where is that?
[10:55] <dannyedwrds> lotuspsychje: my graphics card works I see the boot screen and then the screen goes black like its unplugged
[10:56] <colinshen> does anyone use goagent in ubuntu?
[10:56] <ring3> kostkon: i upgraded to 14.04
[10:56] <kostkon> ring3, oh ok
[10:56] <ubuntuser13> thom_ by pressing menu button on keyboard
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> dannyedwrds: i would try an alternative live usb, or lubuntu 14.04 just to test
[10:56] <somsip> lotuspsychje: FWIW from yesterday, with the minimal install of 14.04 that wouldn't write grub properly - it's a known issue with minimal and server edition on USB install that grub gets written to the USB MBR. Need to pull the USB before the disk info is read.
[10:57] <olskolirc> we use awk and column -t to select and sort columns from left to right.  Is there a command where we can select rows from a db text file?
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> somsip: oh, never had that issue
[10:58] <ring3> ikonia:  the public key 428D7C01 is not available :(
[10:58] <ikonia> you need to import the key for that repo
[10:58] <somsip> lotuspsychje: it threw me. it didn't help I was setting the old WD drive as the first boot instead of the new WD drive either, but that was my fault. MBR on USB was reproducable unfortunately. Just FYI though
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> somsip: ok tnx for feedback :p
[10:59] <ubuntuser13> thom_: sorry super key
[11:00] <somsip> lotuspsychje: thanks for your help at the time :)
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> somsip: np mate
[11:01] <thom__> ubuntuser13, the window key?
[11:01] <thom__> i wish they would not give you something and then make it dissappear
[11:02] <ubuntuser13> thom_:  yes hold windows key
[11:02] <thom__> thanks
[11:02] <thom__> ubuntuser13, i had to long hold
[11:02] <ubuntuser13> yes
[11:02] <thom__> ubuntuser13, it would be nice if when presented with this page they tell you how to get it back
[11:03] <ubuntuser13> thom_: yes
[11:03] <thom__> super Hold. great never saw that
[11:05] <gstyu> where can i past my screenshots to describe my problem ??
[11:05] <colinshen> when i run some applications, computer becomes slowly,do i need to add more memory banks? or do you guys have any suggestions?
[11:05] <smiremd_phone> colinshen: Which applications?
[11:06] <gstyu> is there any image paster like pastebin ???
[11:06] <OerHeks> http://imagebin.org/?page=add
[11:06] <gstyu> THANKS
[11:07] <smiremd_phone> reported attack page ... firefox
[11:07] <smiremd_phone> gstyu: imgur.com is popular too
[11:08] <colinshen> smiremd_phone:like ..webstorm. i think the memory is not enough to support the to many application to run many applications at same time.
[11:08] <dannyedwrds> lotuspsychje: What's the difference between lubuntu and ubuntu
[11:08] <smiremd_phone> colinshen: You can check how much memory is used in the system monitor
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> !info lubuntu-desktop | dannyedwrds
[11:09] <ring3> ikonia: thnx, i'm downloading linux-image-3.13.0-27-generic-dbgsym
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> dannyedwrds: lubuntu is lightweight version of ubuntu, made for lower system specs
[11:09] <colinshen> system monitor..ok ..i will find it to check.
[11:09] <OerHeks> oh sorry for that url, it is part of the !paste factoid
[11:09] <OerHeks> !paste
[11:09] <smiremd_phone> dannyedwrds: lighter desktop and default app choices, optimised fir slower computers
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> dannyedwrds: its worth a try, just to test your setup
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> dannyedwrds: but normally recent ati card should not give any problems like that on trusty
[11:10] <smiremd_phone> dannyedwrds: its also got a more traditional layout, with a windows7 like start menu etc
[11:10] <dannyedwrds> lotuspsychje: That's why im so confused to why its not working
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> dannyedwrds: best is to test few other ubuntu versions, 12.04 or lubuntu 14.04
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> dannyedwrds: just to see whats happening exactly
[11:11] <smiremd_phone> dannyedwrds: which ati?
[11:11] <dannyedwrds> kk
[11:12] <dannyedwrds> smiremd_phone: ATI Radeon HD 8400
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> smiremd_phone: he gets stuck after ubuntu purple screen, monitor goes black
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> smiremd_phone: cant enter F1 neither to choose nomodeset
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> dannyedwrds: did you get right architecture of ubuntu iso?
[11:14] <smiremd_phone> dannyedwrds: which ati?/
[11:14] <smiremd_phone> sorry
[11:14] <smiremd_phone> stuck b4 the nomodeset prompt? how is that a graphics problem?
[11:15] <dannyedwrds> lotuspsychje: x64 its an AMD Processor
[11:15] <dannyedwrds> smiremd_phone: ATI Radeon HD 8400
[11:16] <smiremd_phone> dannyedwrds: 32bit amd processors use the x86 not the the amd64. which cpu?
[11:22] <dannyedwrds> smiremd_phone: AMD A6-5200
[11:23] <OerHeks> dannyedwrds, maybe this answer is any help > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2199628&p=12912677#post12912677
[11:24] <smiremd_phone> dannyedwrds: ok, that is an amd64. so you do not get the ubiquity screen with an icon of a keyboard and a man at the bottom?
[11:25] <dannyedwrds> smiremd_phone Negative all I get is the boot screen with the loading bar and the name ubuntu above it there is no man in a circle with a keyboard
[11:26] <smiremd_phone> dannyedwrds: ok, i wasnt sure if you were stuck in uefi or ubuntu boot. that tells me it's ubuntu.
[11:26] <dannyedwrds> smiremd_phone: so I just don't have any idea I can't even get into the terminal
[11:30] <smiremd_phone> dannyedwrds: you may want to try an alternative ubuntu installer eg the network install or the older lts. this seems like an issue eith the installer on tnis particular graphics card
[11:36] <NetGonzo> hello
[11:37] <NetGonzo> what is the best irc to web developers? :)
[11:37] <umair> NetGonzo: irc?
[11:38] <NetGonzo> how can i say? :D
[11:38] <ikonia> NetGonzo: ##web if you want to talk about web development
[11:39] <ikonia> NetGonzo: /join ##web
[11:39] <ikonia> this channel deals with ubuntu
[11:39] <NetGonzo> thank you ikonia :))
[11:41] <umair> ah you mean IRC channel
[11:42] <zombu2> i am amased
[11:42] <NetGonzo> i would like to create a list of IRC channel concerning development ;)
[11:43] <zombu2> i would like to win the lottery
[11:43] <NetGonzo> haha
[11:45] <kostkon> !alist | NetGonzo
[11:45] <kostkon> !alis | NetGonzo
[11:48] <donc3> hi I have one problem with the sound
[11:48] <donc3> when I connect my notebook to a tv with hdmi it sounds like a smurf
[11:50] <zombu2> which smurf....
[11:50] <donc3> zombu2 sorry i'm spanish and I don't know the word to describe it
[11:51] <zombu2> oh
[11:51] <tater> http://blog.feenode.net/2014/05/we-will-be-moving-linux-channels-to-efnet
[11:52] <donc3> zombu2 could you help me?
[11:52] <somsip> !info offlineimap
[11:52] <zombu2> donc3 could be sampling rate for pcm audio
[11:53] <donc3> zombu2 how can I do it?
[11:53] <zombu2> what player you using
[11:54] <donc3> firefox
[11:54] <donc3> i'm playing a song with youtube
[11:54] <jackbrown> anyone there that can help ? I set into /etc/fstab file a samba HardDrive mounting on computer boot but I get it twice into my Desktop ?????????
[11:55] <donc3> but with vlc it sounds equal
[11:55] <zombu2> donc3 is it the same with all audio
[11:55] <zombu2> and does the video play too fast too?
[11:55] <wheatthin> jackbrown, be careful of double entries
[11:56] <jackbrown> wheatthin: I entered detail on fstab just once
[11:56] <shashank_> hey
[11:56] <jackbrown> hi
[11:56] <shashank_> shubham
[11:56] <JIA1210880668> HI
[11:57] <JIA1210880668> wocao
[11:57] <JIA1210880668> wocao a
[11:57] <JIA1210880668> wocao
[11:57] <JIA1210880668> wo cao
[11:57] <donc3> zombu2 yes!
[11:58] <JIA1210880668> nimabi
[11:58] <JIA1210880668> nigegounianzia
[11:58] <JIA1210880668> cao
[11:59] <JIA1210880668> 你妈比都闪了啊
[11:59] <smiremd_phone> jackbrown: one might be mounted in nautilus with fuse
[11:59] <JIA1210880668> 曹操
[12:00] <jackbrown> smiremd_phone: how can I check ? anyway before modofying etc/fstab i didn't had this unit auto mounted
[12:02] <donc3> zombu2 how can I fix the error
[12:03] <smiremd_phone> jackbrown: cat your proc/mount. Whatever it is called.
[12:03] <jackbrown> ?
[12:03] <jackbrown> smiremd_phone:
[12:04] <zombu2> donc3 id that on a ati card?
[12:04] <zombu2> is*
[12:04] <donc3> zombu 2 no
[12:04] <donc3> nvidia
[12:04] <donc3> zombu2
[12:04] <zombu2> oh
[12:04] <zombu2> k 1sec
[12:05] <smiremd_phone> jackbrown: on my debian it is cat /proc/mounts. ubuntu is probably similiar.
[12:06] <jackbrown> smiremd_phone: https://www.privatepaste.com/907cb40a68
[12:08] <zombu2> donc3 this is what i ve found http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1996584.html
[12:08] <zombu2> that might help you
[12:09] <zombu2> maybe updating the nvidia driver to latest if yo unot already done so
[12:10] <gry_> ikonia, https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/log/?id=refs%2ftags%2fv3.14.4&qt=grep&q=iwl4965 suggests that there were /some/ changes to the module. My modinfo says it's from 2011. So I will upgrade. See you later.
[12:15] <colinshen> does anyone use goagent in ubuntu?
[12:15] <umair> FYI: I upgraded to Ubuntu 14.04 and then installed latest ATI graphics driver and now my laptop is better than it was on 13.10
[12:16] <umair> I hated AMD until now :P
[12:16] <zombu2> just give it some time it'll come back
[12:22] <mandu_> hi guys
[12:22] <mandu_> i just upgraded from 12.04 to14.04 via fresh install
[12:23] <mandu_> the mouse and wifi aren’t working… they were working fine during installation
[12:23] <mandu_> anyone have an idea?
[12:25] <smiremd_phone> jackbrown: one of user/alex has been mounted from the file manager, just get rid of it. it's been done with fuse.
[12:37] <g_> hi
[12:42] <lavio> film
[12:44] <floown> hellobuntu !
[12:45] <shamrock_uk99> Hi folks. Is anyone decrypting a LUKS container on boot with a keyfile? If so, would it be possible to post the contents of /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/cryptroot file for me please?
[12:46] <floown> I have installed Ubuntu in a VM in virtualbox, but if I try to display the integrated desktop, I can not see the icon bar and the windows doest not instegrated well
[12:46] <floown> I suppose there is a problem with add-ons
[12:47] <floown> I have do : sudo apt-get install -y dkms build-essential linux-headers-generic linux-headers-$(uname -r) befor install the add-ons
[12:56] <smiremd_phone> floown: install vbox guest addons, all it needs is dkms, then reboot the guest and install from the guesg addon cd
[12:59] <jost> Can someone recommend me a hardening guide for ubuntu servers?
[12:59] <jost> (Except the one from CIS, I've found that already)
[12:59] <innocent95> Hi, what's the official freenode channel for gtk ?
[12:59] <cfhowlett> jost https://www.dropbox.com/s/vdrj7k0degpzxer/Debian-Ubuntu_hardening_guide.pdf
[12:59] <Dreadlish> i don't remember if tehre is any.
[13:00] <floown> smiremd_phone: I have make that
[13:01] <smiremd_phone> floown: what is your host os?
[13:01] <jost> cfhowlett: thanks, I'll have a look (though it seems to be old?)
[13:01] <innocent95> is there a gtk official channel
[13:01] <innocent95> ?
[13:03] <k1l> !alis | innocent95 search for a channel with alis
[13:04] <floown> smiremd_phone: the host is Windows
[13:04] <floown> the os invited is Ubuntu
[13:05] <smiremd_phone> win 7 or 8?
[13:05] <floown> 8.1
[13:05] <smiremd_phone> Ok i cant help with seamless mode on win8. i know it works with 7.
[13:05] <smiremd_phone> i have zero experience of windows 8
[13:06] <smiremd_phone> floown: But why do you need seamless mode?
[13:07] <Angee18>  Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.ly/1gAh6Jy
[13:08] <cfhowlett> Angee18 we dont.  stop the spam.
[13:10] <niwox> Hey there, can anyone link to a website with description of linux commands with examples ? I remember stumbling into a website like that
[13:11] <cfhowlett> niwox https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rdojg5enhnv3gxp/AADAn9ByplcOtJYIUKj35QFJa
[13:11] <theadmin> niwox: Here's a few common ones: http://cli.learncodethehardway.org/bash_cheat_sheet.pdf
[13:12] <niwox> Thank you guys !
[13:13] <kurtcoke> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZakKwQ-gFM
[13:13] <kurtcoke> "Richard Stallman GNU Founder Ubuntu part of NSA PRISM (SELinux) "
[13:14] <cfhowlett> kurtcoke stop spamming this channel.
[13:14] <kurtcoke> cfhowlett: Its not spam.
[13:14] <cfhowlett> !Fud
[13:14] <kurtcoke> Im spreading the truth
[13:14] <kurtcoke> Which might invoke fear
[13:14] <cfhowlett> kurtcoke take the discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic.  this is for support - not your personal political activism
[13:15] <ThatGuy> Anyone here use usenet?
[13:16] <k1l> kurtcoke: please keep this channel clear for ubuntu support. you can talk in #ubuntu-offtopic about that. thanks
[13:16] <k1l> ThatGuy: same goes for you
[13:17] <zombu2> usenet you say
[13:17] <ThatGuy> I do say, anyone know a good place to get NZB that are not exe's lol
[13:18] <zombu2> it s codecspam
[13:18] <cfhowlett> ThatGuy if you have an UBUNTU support question, now would the time to ask.
[13:18] <zombu2> most good idexers filter it pretty good
[13:20] <ThatGuy> Moving this convo to ubuntu-offtopic
[13:21] <cfhowlett> ThatGuy thank you for your cooperation.
[13:26] <enzo> hello
[13:32] <tooth> good afternoon how can i help u
[13:33] <compdoc> i have this terrible tooth pain
[13:34] <zombu2> lies
[13:34] <thescorp> compdoc: Easy fix; Rip out the tooth that hurts.
[13:34] <thescorp> Thats how men deal with that.
[13:37] <larry57> hi anyone managed to install Visual Studio 2013 under Ubuntu 14.04 using wine ?
[13:38] <tejashree> hello
[13:39] <tejashree> hello all
[13:45] <IdleOne> larry57: sounds more like a question for ##winehq
[13:46] <fox_> hello
[13:46] <SonikkuAmerica> larry57: Err, that's #winehq
[13:48] <ivali> anyone romanian here?
[13:48] <anonimcat> hola alguien que me pueda ayudar en la instalacion de lineage
[13:48] <SonikkuAmerica> anonimcat: Va Ud. a #ubuntu-es
[13:51] <larry57> SonikkuAmerica: thanks
[13:51] <MonkeyDust> !es
[13:57] <yayo> hello everyone, my name is Yayo, I'm ubuntu newbie, I'm looking for some help to solve a small issue, I tried to follow one tutorial but wasn't succesfull, somebody there can help me?
[14:00] <IdleOne> yayo: if you don't say what you need help with, we can't help you
[14:00] <RuPeRterer> will ubuntun run with hd 4600 grappics
[14:01] <RuPeRterer> intel 4600 graphics ^
[14:02] <yayo> The brightness control doesn't work and I was following a tutorial saying this: Open a terminal and create the following configuration file, if it does not exist:
[14:02] <yayo> sudo touch /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
[14:02] <yayo> Now we need to edit this file. You can use any editor be it a terminal one or graphical.
[14:02] <yayo> sudo gedit /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
[14:02] <yayo> Add the following lines to this file:
[14:02] <yayo>     Section "Device"
[14:02] <unopaste> yayo you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[14:04] <RuPeRterer> will ubuntun run with intel hd 4600 graphics
[14:05] <wols> RuPeRterer: yes. 14.04 certainly does. 13.10 should too since it was released after the hd4600 showed up
[14:05] <yayo> the brightness control doesn't change anything, it keeps the brightness of the screen in the maximum
[14:05] <jschoolcraft> can monit interact with upstart?
[14:05] <yayo> and I was following this tutorial  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7483695/
[14:06] <MonkeyDust> yayo  don't abuse the enter key, it has rights too
[14:06] <RuPeRterer> wols
[14:07] <RuPeRterer> what about this
[14:07] <yayo> MonkeyDust, sorry man, Its my firt time here, I don't know how to use this chat.
[14:07] <RuPeRterer> http://askubuntu.com/questions/466197/clearsigned-file-isnt-valid-from-01-org-package
[14:07] <wols> !paste
[14:07] <wols> if you need to paste many lines somewhere
[14:07] <yayo> I just, want to show you the tutorial I was trying to follow
[14:07] <RuPeRterer> The installer contains the wrong repository url. To fix this you need
[14:07] <RuPeRterer> anyone know if the url was fixed
[14:08] <wols> RuPeRterer: you do not need this "latest" driver
[14:09] <SamuraiAlba> taco taco nacho burrito
[14:09] <wols> RuPeRterer: why would anyone know about a random bogus repo?
[14:09] <RuPeRterer> just asking
[14:09] <yayo> Anyway, my problem is that the brightness control doesn't work, can somebody help me fix it?
[14:10] <RuPeRterer> i been catching hell iwth debain for a few days and sick of the hassel lol
[14:12] <yayo> Hello? any recommendation about my problem? any other chat to go?
[14:15] <OerHeks> RuPeRterer, for ubuntu 13.10 this answer seems to work > https://gist.github.com/whoward/8079098
[14:15] <thumpba> if ufw has been disabled why are ports still being blocked
[14:15] <fartface> Anyone around to help me through setting up VNC on a new 14.04 GNOME install?
[14:16] <fartface> Or to point me in the right direction for a sample xstartup configuration, since all of the ones I've found have been for gnome classic, or xfce?
[14:16] <wols> ,v vino-server
[14:17] <wols> fartface: install vino and you have a vnc server
[14:17] <yayo> Any one can help me follow this http://itsfoss.com/fix-brightness-ubuntu-1310/     I get some errors when using the terminal
[14:18] <fartface> wols: administrator@athena:~/.vnc$ /usr/lib/vino/vino-server
[14:18] <fartface> Cannot open display:
[14:18] <fartface> Run 'vino-server --help' to see a full list of available command line options
[14:18] <glumetu> anyone has put latest ubuntu on ultrabook?
[14:19] <k1l> glumetu: depends heavily on the specific hardware
[14:21] <wols> fartface: you need to run X with your DE and then start vino-server
[14:21] <ACCBiggz> My limited skills have reached their end. I am trying to open a game I recently purchased via Steam, but it will not launch. I Googled and a few said to install ia32-libs in the terminal, but I get this message: "E: Unable to locate package ia32-libs". So, that's where I am. How can I install the ia32-libs?
[14:21] <daniel31> Hi all. I tried to add a directory to a zip file using terminal and gzip -r output.zip directory/ but it zipped all the files in place then unlinked the originals. how can I a) dezip each file recursively and b) zip the entire directory instead?
[14:21] <yayo> Anyone there patient enough to help an ubuntu newbie?
[14:21] <daniel31> yayo: don't ask permission to ask, just ask. If you're afraid of being laughed at you can PM me but most folk are pretty nice in here.
[14:22] <wols> yayo: controlling brightness is done differently across various laptops. one such tutorial can't encompass all
[14:22] <daniel31> ACCBiggz: I dont know the answer to your question. have you tried typing apt-get install ia32-lib  into the terminal?
[14:23] <RuPeRterer> oerheks
[14:23] <wols> ACCBiggz: you cannot anymore. Ubuntu is a multiarch capable distro so stopgaps like ia32-libs are outdated for years now
[14:23] <wols> ACCBiggz: this is a windows steam game?
[14:23] <RuPeRterer> i will run the latest rls of ubuntu
[14:23] <ACCBiggz> daniel31: Sorry if that wasn't clear. That was the suggestion solution, I tried it & it gave that message.
[14:23] <ACCBiggz> wols: No. It's a Linux/cross-platform game. OOTP15.
[14:24] <wols> ACCBiggz: run "ldd <program you want to start" and you can see which libs are missing
[14:24] <wols> yayo: I strongly recommend you not to PM people unasked
[14:25] <wols> yayo: and when you get errors, show us the first command you ran that gave you errors including the errors
[14:25] <yayo> Ok, sorry this is my first time here, if somebody has any link with the rules I can read, please pass it to me.
[14:26] <cfhowlett> !guidelines|yayo
[14:26] <yayo> I fisrt put the command sudo touch /usr/share/X11/xorg.config.d/20-intel.config and then I got the error cannot touch ‘/usr/share/X11/xorg.config.d/20-intel.config’: No such file or directory
[14:26] <yayo> thanks ubottu
[14:26] <ACCBiggz> wols: I'm new to Steam. Where can I find where it has installed the game to? All I see when I right click is "steam://rungameid/272670"
[14:27] <wols> ACCBiggz: I wouldn't know since I don't use steam
[14:27] <fartface> wols: There isn't even a configuration application to run in Ubuntu DE.  Searching for vino returns no results, searching desktop sharing returns no results.  It says it's installed, but I can't access it anywhere.
[14:27] <da52175> Where's my nickname gone?
[14:28] <wols> ACCBiggz: I suggest you read this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiArch#Introduction  it also mentions ia32-libs further down
[14:28] <wols> fartface: you can run it inside your X session however
[14:30] <lucastt> hey i `m getting the grub rescue message when booting the computer
[14:30] <lucastt> i tried to install boot-repair
[14:30] <lucastt> but there`s n boot repair for ubuntu 14.4
[14:30] <lucastt> is there a way to make it download for an older version
[14:30] <wols> !fixmbr | lucastt
[14:31] <keevitaja> is it possible to open an application for another user? like when ssh into machine with user1 and user2 is also logged in i want to start vlc for user2 in unity desktop
[14:32] <thumpba> i disabled ufw but it seems ports are still being blocked
[14:32] <lduros> when you run "sudo shutdown -h now" or in AWS EC2 trigger a termination (which is the same as a shutdown I believe at the os level), is there a graceful period of time for the processes to finish whatever they are working on?
[14:32] <lduros> and is there a time limit before the processes are killed?
[14:36] <fartface> wols: It says it's not enabled, so then I go and hit Alt-F2, enter vino-preferences, enable everything, and still nothing.
[14:37] <donc3> Hi! when I connect my laptop to the hdmi
[14:37] <donc3> the sound is too fast
[14:37] <yayo> Hi everyone, anyone there who can help me or give me any recommendation about brightness control problem?
[14:38] <donc3> it's not a flash problem, because it happens also in the programs like vlc... What can I do???
[14:38] <daniel31> keevitaja - have you tried gksudo -u user2 vlc ?
[14:38] <keevitaja> no i have not. i'll try it
[14:39] <JonnyDamnnox> hey JO
[14:39] <JonnyDamnnox> is there a program which projects something like my traffic to the desktop?
[14:39] <JonnyDamnnox> a terminal with tcpdump on the desktop?
[14:39] <JonnyDamnnox> for example
[14:40] <donc3> nobody know nothing about my problem??
[14:40] <keevitaja> daniel31: but i do not thin it will work with ssh. how does ubuntu know where i want to open this app. which display
[14:40] <Geo> Any tips on converting a running boot partition (/) to RAID 1 with mdadm?
[14:40] <cfhowlett> !raid
[14:41] <daniel31> keevitaja - it probably wont work, but reading the gksudo man pages and then googling is where I'd start looking myself..
[14:41] <Geo> thanks, but I'm looking for specifically when the boot drive is already mounted
[14:43] <KGM70> HI ppl
[14:45] <p5yx> Anyone else encountered problems with installing ubuntu minimal in kvm recently?
[14:48] <massacreur> salem
[14:50] <donc3> Hi! when I connect my laptop to the hdmi the sound is played too fast
[14:50] <donc3> it's not a flash problem, because it happens also in the programs like vlc... What can I do???
[14:51] <ACCBiggz> wols: I finally found it, ran lld, here are the results: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7483922/
[14:51] <shaji> hi
[14:52] <whoever> shadowe989: hi
[14:55] <yayo> Hello, I have a  brightness problem. The brightness control shows on the screen but it doesn't change anything, even if the control bar moves from left lo right, the brightness is always set to the maximum.
[14:57] <daftykins> yayo: have a look at the edits made here http://askubuntu.com/questions/128463/how-to-control-brightness
[14:57] <yayo> ok give me a min to read it, thanks daftykins
[14:58] <Geo> ballpark , how long does dd'ing 20gb take?
[14:58] <daftykins> how long is a piece of string?
[14:58] <daftykins> there are too many variables, disk type, speed, interface speed...
[14:58] <cfhowlett> !behelpful|daftykins
[14:58] <daftykins> cfhowlett: don't do that.
[15:01] <wols> ACCBiggz: have you read the link I gave you about multiatch?
[15:01] <smiremd_phone> Geo: several hundred MB/sec on ssd, about 1/2 that on rotary, assuming brand new kit
[15:02] <wols> ACCBiggz: and from that paste, you already have pretty much all i386 libs you need except maybe some steam related ones
[15:06] <Macer> my laptop keeps crashing when resumed from sleep
[15:06] <Macer> completely freezes
[15:07] <wizard_A> how do i install the ubuntu-desktop on ubuntu-server 14.04
[15:07] <wizard_A> unity
[15:08] <C0FFEE> sudo su -  and tasksel
[15:08] <k1l> dont sudo su -
[15:09] <k1l> wizard_A: install the package "ubuntu-desktop" that should install everything as depency
[15:09] <ratskinmahoney> Macer: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[15:09] <Macer> hm.. maybe it's due to the ati drivers
[15:09] <Macer> ratskinmahoney: isn't that installed by default?
[15:09] <k1l> Macer: not on the server edition
[15:09] <Macer> i'm not running server on my laptop
[15:10] <daftykins> you're highlighting the wrong guy for desktop installation ;)
[15:10] <Macer> my ubuntu server works fine :)
[15:10] <k1l> Macer: ah i see, it was a wrong highlight then
[15:10] <Macer> 10:09 < ratskinmahoney> Macer: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[15:10] <Macer> heh
[15:10] <ACCBiggz> wols: Yes, I read the link. Although, some of it did go over my head. As for the paste - OK, so, would you suggest I contact Steam support to see what I need?
[15:10] <Macer> maybe he did
[15:10] <ratskinmahoney> haha, sorry, my bad
[15:11] <Speiros> I have a problem where my computer continues to crash, and I've been suggested it may be related to bug 977804.
[15:11] <Macer> it's probably the ati driver i'm using
[15:11] <Macer> i'll go back to the xorg one
[15:12] <Speiros> The problem is I only have one window (the one to report the fault, the xchat client and terminal.
[15:12] <Speiros> Plus I have ample space as it's just been loaded onto a blank hard disk
[15:13] <nik> Hey guys, I'm having trouble with some usb wi-fi adapters I bought for my pc. Whenever I plug them in, they work fine, but after 30-90 minutes I get a kernel panic, and the system crashes. The chipsets on the wi-fi cards are rt2870 and rt3072 (drivers for both are part of kernel) so they worked out of the box, but I can't seem to fix the crashing. I've searched everywhere and haven't been able to find a solution. I also manually updated the drivers
[15:13] <nik> just in case (but I think the most up-to-date version was already installed). I'm running 64-bit 14.04 ubuntu on a dual core intel i3. Anyone have any ideas on how I could go about fixing this, or where I could ask for more help?
[15:13] <thumpba> im trying to telnet but get connection refused, even though ufw is disabled
[15:13] <wizard_A> if without the ofice and extras...????
[15:14] <Speiros> I have two pastebins if necessary.
[15:15] <Macer> ok. seems the fglrx driver may have been causing it
[15:15] <k1l> wizard_A: if you only want unity try to install the unity and the lightdm package
[15:17] <loke__> After upgrading to 13.10 (and later 14.4, with no improvement), I was no longer able to mount encrypted (krb5p) NFS-partitions. Instead I'm getting an error, "mount system call failed" with the following message in syslog: NFS: nfs4_discover_server_trunking unhandled error -121. Exiting with error EIO
[15:17] <loke__> Anyone have any idea about that one?
[15:17] <Geo> smiremd_phone, thanks
[15:17] <Speiros> Here is the first pastebin, relating to the probable bug. http://pastebin.com/C4UDKCap
[15:18] <Speiros> This one shows that I have ample space.http://pastebin.com/6EgSj5Qr
[15:18] <Macer> ah well. thanks for the help anyways ;) i'm pretty sure it was the fglx driver
[15:18] <Macer> seems ok now but i'll have to put it to sleep for a whle and make sure it pops up
[15:19] <ACCBiggz> wols: I have to bolt. Appreciate your assistance. Hopefully I can resolve this issue later today.
[15:19] <daftykins> Geo: just FYI you can see dd's progress by sending its' PID a -USR1 flag via kill, e.g. find the PID of dd, then run "kill -USR1 $PID"
[15:20] <Geo> I'm actually watching the file via ls -al right now
[15:20] <Geo> but thanks, thats interesting
[15:21] <Geo> FYI, I have the /home raid built from last night's discussion, and am backing up the / partition before I attempt to mirror it
[15:22] <Geo> ...and there we are.
[15:22] <Geo> onward.
[15:23] <sheer> hey, anyone know how to get breadcrumbs in thunar?
[15:23] <sheer> like, where you can click on part of the path to jump back to that location
[15:23] <Macer> can wine run MS office?
[15:23] <Macer> talk about a pipedream huh? :)
[15:24] <cfhowlett> !wine
[15:25] <smiremd_phone> Macer: certain versions, yes
[15:25] <sheer> Macer: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=22248 you might have some luck, for sure
[15:25] <Macer> ah i see
[15:26] <Macer> i was hoping for the one that is installed using office.microsoft.com
[15:26] <Macer> the online installer that seems to use nothing but .net heh
[15:26] <Speiros> Has this bug been fixed in the 14.4 version?
[15:26] <Macer> guess there's only one way to find out!
[15:26] <Macer> heh
[15:26] <smiremd_phone> Macer: Office365 works
[15:26] <Macer> smiremd_phone: really? wow. that's awesome
[15:27] <Macer> or do you mean the web site version?
[15:27] <Macer> i was hoping to use outlook locally
[15:27] <smiremd_phone> Macer: LibreOffice can also read certain ms office files
[15:27] <Macer> smiremd_phone: i need the outlook.com contacts/calendar etc
[15:27] <smiremd_phone> i meant office365
[15:27] <smiremd_phone> outlook.com works fine. outlook, depends on version.
[15:28] <Macer> yeah. seems like the one that office365 installs doesn't work in wine :/
[15:28] <Macer> at least the setup app won't run
[15:28] <smiremd_phone> Macer: Many other programs can synchronise with outlook btw
[15:28] <Macer> smiremd_phone: really? like what?
[15:28] <Macer> using outlook.com? i thought the sync was proprietary and closed
[15:29] <Macer> i know evolution can't :) you have to do some outlook importing. that's lame. i wanted live updating of the calendar and contacts
[15:30] <smiremd_phone> Macer: To be clear I mean the web version of 365.
[15:31] <Macer> smiremd_phone: yeah i know
[15:31] <Macer> is there any app i can install in ubuntu that sync with outlook.com ?
[15:31] <Macer> or is it simply impossible?
[15:31] <smiremd_phone> Macer: thunderbird is supposed to have a plugin but i haven't tried it
[15:32] <Macer> oh?
[15:32] <Macer> hm let me try that out
[15:32] <smiremd_phone> Macer: That's for exchange
[15:33] <Macer> smiremd_phone: yeah. outlook.com uses the exchange protocol for calendar/contacts
[15:33] <smiremd_phone> Macer: ExQuillia
[15:34] <Macer> lmao. in unity thunderbird has no border and i can't drag it
[15:34] <Macer> awesome
[15:34] <smiremd_phone> s/exquillia/exquilla
[15:34] <Macer> i also can't get rid of the address book but i don't see a plugin for this
[15:35] <smiremd_phone> desktop mail clients are obsolete, what did you expect? (puts on flame shield)
[15:35] <Macer> yeah but it would still be nice to have something that at least puts an indicator on the desktop ;)
[15:36] <Macer> the real question is why doesn't thunderbird have borders to move the window around with?
[15:36] <Bluewolf> Hi all, I keep getting this system error on my freshly installed Ubuntu 14.04 Desktop and Laptop, I have the error details as well -  http://imagebin.ca/v/1MqrXoM9oERo ?
[15:37] <Speiros> Which window?  I use thunderbird, and find it useful.
[15:37] <smiremd_phone> Bluewolf: is your system fully updated? can you show the actual error?
[15:38] <Speiros> Do you mean like each email address separately?
[15:39] <Bluewolf> smiremd_phone: http://imagebin.ca/v/1Mqt8TKfJuyK
[15:40] <nik> Hi, I'm having trouble with some usb wi-fi adapters I bought for my pc. Whenever I plug them in, they work fine, but after 30-90 minutes I get a kernel panic, and the system crashes. The chipsets on the wi-fi cards are rt2870 and rt3072 (drivers for both are part of kernel) so they worked out of the box, but I can't seem to fix the crashing. I've searched everywhere and haven't been able to find a solution. I also manually updated the drivers just i
[15:40] <nik> n case (but I think the most up-to-date version was already installed). I'm running 64-bit 14.04 ubuntu on a dual core intel i3. Anyone have any ideas on how I could go about fixing this, or where I could ask for more help?
[15:40] <Bluewolf> smiremd_phone: Yes it is fully updated - Both the Desktop and Laptop
[15:41] <Speiros> Anyway.  So I guess I'll have to wait until next time to see if anyone knows about the intel_do_flush_locked failed: No space left on device (when the device has nearly 95% free space
[15:41] <smiremd_phone> Bluewolf: says suspend/resume failure. that is the cause: not waking up properly.
[15:42] <Speiros> What is the most stable ubuntu at present?
[15:43] <Qasker> this channel sends me so many false highlights, if someone ever needed to get a hold of me, they probably never would bc I mostly ignore them
[15:43] <Macer> hm. trying to see if i can get exquilla to connect with outlook.com heh
[15:43] <Macer> i think it got stuck
[15:43] <k1l> Speiros: 12.04.4 imho.
[15:44] <Speiros> Thanks k1l
[15:44] <Bluewolf> smiremd_phone: Well thats what it been doing since I installed it, this is the other error - http://imagebin.ca/v/1MquQiDMzr2C
[15:44] <k1l> Speiros: the 12.04 to 14.04 LTS upgrade will be opened in july when 14.04.1 will be released
[15:44] <Speiros> k1l July eh.  Excellent.  I hope that little glitch is covered.  I can't play manaworld with it...keeps booting me off and saying my computer is full.
[15:45] <Speiros> Two months, and I'll download it.
[15:46] <smiremd_phone> Bluewolf: Are you running gnome disk utility? It is the disk application in the dash.
[15:47] <kkkkkkkkk> why skype for ubuntu is so bugged??????
[15:47] <Bluewolf> smiremd_phone: As far as I know, that error appeared when I was coping a move on my USB drive and accidentally hit the sleep button on my keyboard.
[15:48] <Speiros> kkkkkkkkk What do you mean bugged mate?
[15:48] <savid> How do I install multi-arch libs in ubuntu? I did dpkg --add-architecture armhf, but when I apt-get update I get a bunch of "Failed to fetch" errors.
[15:49] <Macer> smiremd_phone: i'd actually pay for this if it worked lol
[15:49] <Macer> doesn't seem to tho
[15:49] <Macer> too bad
[15:49] <wols> savid: did you apt-get update?
[15:49] <kkkkkkkkk> Speiros, i have to always modprobe webcam to X doesnt keep the window black
[15:49] <kkkkkkkkk> Speiros, when i close skype stops
[15:49] <savid> wols: yes like I said that's when I get the "Failed to fetch" errors.
[15:50] <Speiros> kkkkkkkkk Ah, sorry, yes, I never once used the video.  I could use voice and send files with no problems, but the webcam I never did get working.
[15:50] <Speiros> kkkkkkkkk Most of my connections were with China and USA
[15:50] <xenolyse> What is the difference between the nvidia drivers 331, 334 and 337? Why are there different versions?
[15:51] <kkkkkkkkk> Speiros, i think it is a bug, the window turn black for while
[15:51] <Bluewolf> smiremd_phone: Are these two problems serious, if so how do I fix them?
[15:52] <savid> Actually, it looks like those errors are for ppas that have been added. I wonder if there's a way to have thouse sources be arch-specific?
[15:52] <Speiros> kkkkkkkkk You might be right mate.  The only way I could avoid it was have the cam off at all times on Skype.  Stupid considering it is one of the main features, but worked for the files and voip
[15:52] <smiremd_phone> Bluewolf: Personally I would turn off error reporting and forget about it.
[15:52] <kkkkkkkkk> Speiros, YES, stupid bug
[15:52] <Speiros> lol
[15:53] <kkkkkkkkk> Speiros, i turned offf video option
[15:54] <Speiros> kkkkkkkkk That's what worked for me.  I didn't have any trouble from then...occasional drop out, but normally because of my contact on the other end using his phone on skype.
[15:54] <Speiros> As for the USA connection, no problems at all.  I'm in Australia.  All local connections worked fine.
[15:54] <Bluewolf> smiremd_phone: Uh, I see its that much of a problem. That being said I am very happy to ignore it as long as it doesn't blue screen my machine in the long run?
[15:54] <kkkkkkkkk> Speiros, skype for windows or mac osx doest hava tthis issue
[15:55] <Speiros> kkkkkkkkk No, that's a good point.
[15:56] <smiremd_phone> Bluewolf: Suspend is a bit tricky to setup, others here can do it. They would know.
[15:56] <ni391456> new to Ubuntu. I'd like to setup a dual boot on my xp and keep xp as is
[15:57] <Bluewolf> smiremd_phone: So what exactly has happened here?
[15:57] <Speiros> ni391456 You can put the disk in and run it alongside without having to install if you wanted to test it out.
[15:57] <ni391456> or should I do VM for xp off Linux.
[15:57] <wols> ni391456: depends on the programs you want to run under XP
[15:58] <wols> ni391456: and what hardware (CPU, RAM) you have
[15:58] <ni391456> yes I saw that. I'm such an old timer on xp and dos. never did much unix
[15:58] <smiremd_phone> Bluewolf does suspend/sleep work ?
[15:58] <colinshen> hi does any one know how can boot win8 and ubuntu ?
[15:58] <ni391456> I only have a gig on mem on the old box
[15:59] <Speiros> Goodnight folks, and thanks.
[16:00] <ni391456> I hadn't done irc in years
[16:00] <Bluewolf> smiremd_phone: Yeah but then it has its gifted moments every now and again where discipline is in order (That being a restart)
[16:00] <minob> hello everyone, is there a robust feed reader to use with ubuntu? I'm using liferea and it jams ever so often, and hasn't launched for the past 5 minutes
[16:00] <smiremd_phone> Bluewolf: Suspend is a bit tricky to setup, others here can do it. They would know.
[16:00] <minob> yet
[16:00] <ni391456> I have the old CPU before dual core. it runs at 3gig though
[16:04] <daftykins> ni391456: XP is dead and buried, support wise - you shouldn't really run it at all
[16:04] <raggg> my ssd seems hot, idling at 57C, is that normal?
[16:04] <ni391456> is there an ITunes app for Ubuntu?
[16:04] <smiremd_phone> ni391456: ubuntu unity requires 3d acceleration. on 1 gig ram i would not VM. so i recommend you jse a lighgweight desktop version of ubuntu like Lubuntu, and you dual boot
[16:04] <daftykins> ni391456: with 1GB RAM you'd have to run something super lightweight like lubuntu or xubuntu, i doubt you'd have much RAM left for a VM after that
[16:05] <ni391456> thnx
[16:05] <daftykins> !itunes
[16:05] <smiremd_phone> unity works on 1 gb, his problem will be 3d accel, not ram
[16:05] <ni391456> thnx
[16:06] <ni391456> will players sync with apple pods?
[16:07] <xangua>  probably no ni391456
[16:07] <ni391456> drag. that's one reason to keep xp up
[16:07] <smiremd_phone> ni391456: i believe ios6 will and ios7 wont, but there should be an ios7 fix soon if not already
[16:08] <Bluewolf> smiremd_phone, Okay I will have to ask again. Thanks for the time and help.\
[16:08] <kupo_> oh hey guys
[16:09] <smiremd_phone> ni391456: But I can confirm that ios6 will sync.
[16:09] <ni391456> wellIll dual boot with the light ver then since I am running an old pc
[16:09] <ni391456> thnx smiremd
[16:10] <smiremd_phone> ni391456: you can just get a wifi transfer app and a diffeent music player for your ios device, and sync by just copying files
[16:10] <Locke2002> Can anyone tell me the proper way to start the desktop gui in Lubuntu when I have grub set to boot into text/cli?
[16:10] <nomic> startx
[16:11] <nomic> if you have x installed should start the x window manager
[16:11] <k1l> no. dont use startx on ubuntu
[16:11] <daftykins> Locke2002: 'sudo service lightdm start' also?
[16:11] <k1l> start the lightdm and then login there
[16:11] <k1l> startx just messes with the filepermissions.
[16:12] <ni391456> can't I run Ubuntu 14 in the demo mode to see if mypc cam run it?
[16:12] <Locke2002> I've been using "sudo start lightdm" which works ok, but it gets me an openbox session with minimal configuration, the right-click menu only has Terminal and Web browser, and a few Openbox options. Not sure if that's what Lubuntu's desktop should normally be when not booting straight to terminal...
[16:13] <daftykins> ni391456: you can but i guarantee you 1GB RAM isn't enough
[16:13] <ni391456> k
[16:13] <ni391456> is 2 gig enough?
[16:13] <daftykins> ni391456: what graphics card do you have?
[16:13] <k1l> Locke2002: you can select different sessions on that login enue
[16:14] <k1l> Locke2002: i think lubuntu offers the lubuntu one and the pplain lxde one. or you dont have lubuntu-desktop but lxde packages installed
[16:14] <ni391456> an ati that has a tv built in
[16:14] <daftykins> ni391456: ah all in wonder radeon 9800 perhaps?
[16:14] <ni391456> sry, I don't know the specks right off
[16:15] <ni391456> sound like that one
[16:15] <daftykins> check device manager if you're on it now
[16:15] <ni391456> I am not on it now
[16:15] <ni391456> but is is an all in one wonder vid card
[16:16] <ni391456> 9800 sounds right
[16:16] <daftykins> you would definitely have trouble running unity on that
[16:16] <Chayce> How to grep users by their uidnumbers?
[16:16] <Macer> well. i managed to syc the calendar using the lightning plugin
[16:16] <Macer> but syncing the contacts seems rather impossible
[16:16] <ni391456> unity?
[16:16] <Locke2002> k11: Thanks. I found Lubuntu, Lubuntu Netbook, and Openbox (what I had selected). Lubuntu seems to be the one it was booting before I changed the grub file. Thanks :)
[16:17] <k1l> Locke2002: np
[16:18] <Somaya> through which software should i install iso image of ubuntu
[16:18] <ni391456> just remover to open the iOS project to burn
[16:19] <daftykins> ni391456: unity is the 3D accelerated desktop on standard ubuntu, around since 12.04
 How to grep users by their uidnumbers? or how to find certain uidnumbers are unused?
[16:19] <Macer> OH.. NICE.. i got it working :D
[16:19] <daftykins> ni391456: it's a lot more power hungry as it requires a currently-supported graphics card etc. etc.
[16:19] <Macer> used some addon
[16:19] <ni391456> cool, thnx dafty
[16:19] <Macer> tzpush gets the contacts
[16:19] <daftykins> np :)
[16:19] <Macer> lightning gets the calendar events from outlook.com
[16:20] <Macer> so now thunderbird actually sync everything with outlook lol
[16:20] <ni391456> yea I thought Linux would be less sys needy
[16:21] <theodat_> I wish Thunderbird worked better with gmail two step authorization
[16:21] <daftykins> ni391456: it can be, but times move on. xubuntu definitely cuts requirements a lot... but really less than 2GB RAM and single core CPUs are just fit for the scrap-heap in a lot of ways now
[16:21] <Chayce> How to grep users by their uidnumbers?
[16:22] <ni391456> how can I say good buy to xp and this old pc I hand built that has all my stuff on it .... office and such
[16:23] <ni391456> I don't havs the cash to get current hardware
[16:23] <daftykins> ni391456: well, XP and office 2003 are unsupported and unsafe to use online now... so that's just game over for them
[16:23] <ni391456> that's why I need linux
[16:24] <daftykins> ni391456: you can definitely find a lightweight Linux distribution to put on :)
[16:24] <daftykins> ni391456: is it an Athlon64 did you say?
[16:24] <ni391456> in vm xp would be safe
[16:24] <daftykins> only if it never goes online
[16:24] <ni391456> Lubuntu?
[16:24] <daftykins> yeah lubuntu is the lightest of the ubuntus i think
[16:25] <ni391456> naw an intell with hyper theriding
[16:25] <daftykins> oh so pentium 4?
[16:25] <ni391456> yes
[16:26] <ni391456> I guess I can use it as wall art, hey
[16:26] <daftykins> heh, i just abandoned a similar era PC with XP on my parents have. i ordered a cheap Dell for £290 (GBP) delivered, with an i5, 4GB RAM and 500GB HDD
[16:27] <bertus> hey guys does anyone know how to add new wallpapers to xubuntu?
[16:27] <ni391456> so all the old software is a goner?
[16:27] <bertus> i cannot get my wallpapers to change
[16:28] <daftykins> ni391456: which specifically? Microsoft dropped support for Windows XP and Office 2003, yes - so neither of those will get any security fixes anymore, leaving them vulnerable online
[16:29] <Locke2002> ni391456: I'm using Lubuntu on my 2002 laptop with 512MB of RAM. It's ok as long as I'm careful how many browser tabs I open, lol
[16:30] <ni391456> I know. but I like the idea of keeping the old stiff. I grew up in a Microsoft world doing corporate support
[16:30] <bertus> any help with xubuntu?
[16:30] <Beldar> bertus, New wallpapers and changing them are two different things.
[16:30] <bertus> yea changing is fine
[16:30] <bertus> but adding new ones cannot be done
[16:30] <bertus> plz help
[16:30] <smiremd_phone> ni391456: Lubuntu has no special hardware requirement, and I can see from system monitor it is using 200MB of Ram with the desktop and firefox up
[16:31] <ni391456> that's helpful Lockie
[16:31] <daftykins> ni391456: are you familiar with Linux live sessions?
[16:31] <smiremd_phone> ni391456: By contrast Unity (ubuntu) is taking 750
[16:32] <ni391456> I am on an Los iPad right now
[16:32] <ni391456> old ipad
[16:32] <Beldar> bertus, I use this one it is a ppa so not supported here technically, https://launchpad.net/~wallch/+archive/3+
[16:32] <bertus> can i add new images to the backdrops folder? tried to copy there but did not work
[16:33] <Beldar> bertus, That folder is in root I believe correct?
[16:33] <xangua> bertus: you can use any image as wallpaper, you don't need to add them to a special directory
[16:34] <ni391456> I have a newer pc with 4 gig and inter dual core pc
[16:34] <ni391456> intel
[16:35] <Beldar> Beldar, any image you right click has a set as wallpaper option.
[16:35] <Beldar> lol
[16:35] <Beldar> bertus, any image you right click has a set as wallpaper option.
[16:35]  * Beldar needs more caffeine
[16:35] <ni391456> I'm just moving over to Linux   so no not know anything
[16:36] <bertus> yea bro that does not work with xubuntu
[16:36] <bertus> @ beldar
[16:36] <Beldar> bertus, who are you talking to and what does not work?
[16:36] <Beldar> ah cool
[16:36] <bertus> want to change wallpapers on xubuntu
[16:36] <bertus> cannot add new ones
[16:37] <bertus> tried to copy more images to the root folder - does not allow
[16:37] <daftykins> ni391456: ok, well compared with Windows, you can put a Linux .ISO image onto a USB flash drive or a DVD and boot up from it, using the OS in a test session without installing it
[16:37] <bng> hi all, I cannot boot into my new installation, I installed grub onto sda of a GPT drive but my bios just says "reboot and select proper boot device"
[16:37] <Beldar> bertus, correct, and not needed.
[16:38] <ni391456> got to go on break. thnx
[16:38] <bertus> cool so how do I get it done plz?
[16:38] <bng> the grub installation went fine, I left few MB free at the beginning of the drive before sda1
[16:38] <Beldar> !bootinfo | bng pastebin the final text document
[16:39] <smiremd_phone> Just like to point out that windows 7+ also has a live install on flash
[16:39] <smiremd_phone> it's just stpidly hard to setup in 7
[16:39] <bng> Beldar: thanks for the tip
[16:39] <smiremd_phone> I had to do it once, and it took a while :-(
[16:39] <Beldar> no prob bng
[16:40] <daftykins> smiremd_phone: ok but that's not official
[16:40] <Beldar> bertus, here is a deb link to the one I mention I use. https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/raring/wallch/
[16:40] <vincenzo> in this channel there is a italian man
[16:40] <bertus> ok cool thanks bro!
[16:40] <smiremd_phone> daftykins: It is in 8, i dont know if it's offical in 7 or not
[16:40] <Beldar> bertus, I believe there is another in the repos.
[16:40] <bertus> i love xubuntu this has just been irritating me a lot!
[16:40] <daftykins> smiremd_phone: i've not seen a 'try' option booting win8 media 0o
[16:41] <vincenzo> yes xubuntu is most beatiful
[16:41] <smiremd_phone> daftykins: It's called Windows To Go
[16:41] <bertus> can i manually change wallpapers?
[16:42] <bertus> like right click and say set as wallpaper - because that does not work for me
[16:42] <Aaruni> need urgent help here. need the ubuntu minimal CD to work with a wi-fi connection.
[16:42] <MonkeyDust> bertus  "desktop settings" or so
[16:42] <daftykins> smiremd_phone: ah, Enterprise only
[16:42] <bertus> yeah and then ?
[16:43] <daftykins> Aaruni: for what purpose?
[16:43] <Aaruni> daftykins, to install ubuntu on laptop. no ethernet connection here, but I get wifi
[16:43] <Aaruni> it is important that I install using minimal CD, daftykins
[16:43] <daftykins> Aaruni: why?
[16:44] <zombu2> the voices tell em to
[16:44] <Aaruni> daftykins, because its a thing I've never tried before
[16:44] <daftykins> Aaruni: so really you're just making things more complicated for no reason?
[16:44] <Beldar> bertus, My friend you have been given some answers, you have not tried one and continue to post, this is not very useful in helping you.
[16:44] <Aaruni> daftykins, pretty much yeah
[16:45] <p5yx> Anyone else encountered problems with installing ubuntu minimal in kvm recently?
[16:45] <daftykins> Aaruni: if you really want to play with minimal image installs, do so in a VM. if you really need to set up another system, just use full media :)
[16:45] <Aaruni> daftykins, already tried VM. it gets stuck after a point...
[16:45] <MonkeyDust> Aaruni  first go somewhere where you have ethernet, so you have something to fall back on
[16:46] <daftykins> Aaruni: we're going to need more information
[16:46] <Beldar> !ask > p5yx
[16:46] <Aaruni> MonkeyDust, I have a full install media to fall back on.
[16:46] <MonkeyDust> Aaruni  yes, but no ethernet
[16:46] <Aaruni> MonkeyDust, why need ethernet ?
[16:47] <MonkeyDust> Aaruni  because wifi doesnt work, you say
[16:47] <Aaruni> daftykins, to hell with VM. for now, lets get wi-fi working with minimalCD
[16:47] <smiremd_phone> ooh ... this box accepts root login over SSH ... haha!
[16:47] <Slamd64> hello, I got a strange problem and can't seem to get rid off it. On every login it asks me to enter login password because I 'failed' to logout correctly, but I have logged out normally.
[16:47] <bertus> the automatic wallpaper changer is not the answer
[16:47] <Aaruni> MonkeyDust, wifi works in regular install. I am trying to use minimalCD
[16:47] <Beldar> Aaruni, any wifi can be hacked period for one.
[16:47] <Slamd64> It happens when I get to desktop. thanks in advance
[16:47] <loa> i am trying to setup ssh access using keys, but my problem when i set 0770 on my home dir user, authorisation stop working
[16:47] <loa> what can be a problem?
[16:48] <loa> i don't want any other users to enter my home dir.
[16:48] <Aaruni> Beldar, so, this is possible? or are you pointing out the venerability of the wi-fi router ?
[16:49] <Nyons> Ah man, I am sad. Jon Snow will die in tonights episode :(
[16:49] <Beldar> Aaruni, Just a general comment. ;)
[16:49] <MonkeyDust> Nyons  wrong channel
[16:49] <Nyons> oh wait
[16:49] <Beldar> !ot > Nyons
[16:49] <Nyons> bloody tabs
[16:50] <remuxa> how do i silence the "programs included with the Ubuntu system are free software" message in bash?
[16:50] <Beldar> turn off the tv and back away slowly
[16:50] <Aaruni> daftykins, MonkeyDust, so, is it possible to enable the wifi interface in minimal CD ?
[16:50] <theTroy> any way to easily rip DVD by just dumping RAW output without encoding? trying handbrake but there is no option for RAW it has to encode...
[16:50] <remuxa> editing /etc/motd, /var/run/motd.dynamic, and /etc/init.d/motd didn't help
[16:50] <MonkeyDust> remuxa  is that the motd (message of the day)?
[16:50] <compdoc> remuxa, its that the message of the day? MOTD?
[16:51] <remuxa> yes, and it's annoying since it appears twice at each logon
[16:51] <daftykins> Aaruni: not without a lot of unnecessary hassle
[16:51] <trism> remuxa: /etc/update-motd.d/
[16:52] <remuxa> so basically create a motd file in that directory, then?
[16:52] <Aaruni> daftykins, or, is it possible to install from regular CD, then strip it to minimal install level, and then build back on it ?
[16:52] <sig357> Hello community. What is the fastest protocol to use for transfering files via LAN network. I would like it to be mountable as well. I have been using smb and I seem to max out at 11mb/s on large files. nfs is about the same. Any ideas? Would sftp be an improvement is transfer rates? thanks
[16:52] <p5yx> ubuntu minimal fails to install in kvm because it cannot install the base system. it isn't able to install the kernel. any help?
[16:53] <MonkeyDust> sig357  better ask in ##networking, i guess
[16:53] <sig357> Thanks for the ip!
[16:53] <daftykins> Aaruni: so you can't just temporarily put this laptop beside a router cabled in?
[16:53] <trism> remuxa: I was thinking look for the message there and remove it, I can't say exactly where to look because none of my systems have it
[16:53] <compdoc> remuxa, there should be files already in /etc/update-motd.d
[16:53] <Aaruni> daftykins, would be a hassle
[16:54] <compdoc> its a directory
[16:54] <Nyons> sig357: FTP
[16:54] <Slamd64> it seems I have found the problem. for some unknown reason seahorse locked my home folder on login so I have to enter password. So I just checked a box to unlock at login so it seems to be solution.
[16:54] <daftykins> Aaruni: sorry, i can't help those making things harder for themselves unnecessarily.
[16:54] <Aaruni> and I don't know how long it will take to download, daftykins, at a 256 KBPS connection
[16:54] <sig357> Nyons, thank you
[16:54] <Beldar> daftykins, Or harder to get help.
[16:55] <daftykins> Aaruni: if you must continue, use "ifconfig -a" to see if you have a wireless interface when booted to minimal, then look into wpa_supplicant for connecting to a network
[16:55] <sig357> *Thanks for the tip* not "ip"
[16:57] <remuxa> as yet i do not see the text I mentioned in any of those files
[16:57] <Nyons> sig357. You said your connection max out at 11MB ??
[16:58] <Nyons> Probably not a protocol issue. You ports are set at 100Mbit/s. Which means you get just over 10MBytes/s. Change you port speed to 1Gbit/s
[16:58] <sig357> on large files yes.
[16:59] <sig357> how do I change the port speed?
[16:59] <sig357> I have a gigabit network...
[16:59] <Nyons> Is your cable cat5e or cat 6?
[16:59] <daftykins> Nyons: that doesn't even affect gigabit :P
[16:59] <Nyons> then the devices that are connecting. Do they even have gigabit port?
[17:00] <trism> remuxa: hmm is it the text in /etc/legal you are seeing?
[17:00] <Nyons> yes its does. cat5 only supports max 100Mbit
[17:00] <daftykins> Nyons: also incorrect.
[17:00] <Nyons> you need cat5e or Cat 6
[17:00] <daftykins> Nyons: no, that's only over the full 100M lengths. please don't spread FUD
[17:00] <remuxa> trism: apparently it is, thank you!
[17:01] <Bref> did somebody get 14.04 running using nvidia driver?`
[17:01] <daftykins> Bref: i'm sure lots of people have. what's the problem?
[17:01] <Nyons> what is the max speed for cat5 then?
[17:02] <daftykins> Nyons: it'll still function at gigabit over shorter distances, at 100 metres it'll probably auto negotiate slower or just not be as effective
[17:03] <sig357> the cables are cat 5e
[17:03] <Nyons> now check the port speed
[17:03] <sig357> testing with nttcp now one sec.
[17:03] <smiremd_phone> Still MIGHT function, you mean. You cannot guarantee they will perform beyond rated spec.
[17:04] <Bref> daftykins: this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/1297630
[17:05] <Bref> if I install ubuntu GNOME 14.04 on my lenovo W530 and later install the nvidia driver I have a black screen
[17:05] <daftykins> Bref: ah, i own a very similar laptop, that's an nvidia optimus system, you can't just install nvidia drivers. you need to look into either nvidia-prime or bumblebee
[17:06] <Bref> daftykins: yes but as far as I know nvidia-prime uses lightdm which is not working with gnome
[17:06] <daftykins> Bref: i see, i guess you can't use gnome then!
[17:07] <Bref> daftykins: look like. I give unity a try. looks like there is no other way (always the same story after every major update )
[17:08] <daftykins> Bref, in fairness optimus doesn't work well with anything :(
[17:09] <Bref> daftykins: acutally I dont even want to use optimus
[17:09] <Bref> dafykins: I switch to the nvidia card in bios. I need this because of the vga port (beamer, 2nd screen, you know...)
[17:10] <daftykins> Bref, ah, my U36SD doesn't actually have such settings in the BIOS. but yeah, VGA port comes off the nvidia chip afaik
[17:11] <efrain> hi friends
[17:12] <Bref> daftykins: yeah, somehow atm it is not working with the nvidia card even when the intel chip is disabled
[17:18] <sjoshi> Hello, Ubuntu software center has crashed
[17:19] <sjoshi> I was trying to install shutter on Xubuntu14.04
[17:19] <daftykins> sjoshi, kill it and run "sudo apt-get install shutter" via terminal instead perhaps
[17:19] <dk0r_> anyone succesfully gotten their tablet-pc's integrated wacom digitizer working? The 'Tablet PC' and 'Wacom' arch-wiki's appear quite dated
[17:20] <sjoshi> daftykins: First i tried that only, it didnt worked
[17:21] <sjoshi> i got this -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7484582/
[17:21] <ratskinmahoney> bref: i'm also using a W530. happily working with a nvidia driver nvidia-331, onboard graphics disabled in bios and no fiddling other than that
[17:22] <sjoshi> Few days, thunar also crashed the similar way
[17:22] <daftykins> ratskinmahoney, that's nice, but every optimus system has a different implementation and BIOS so they can't really be compared
[17:22] <sjoshi> Few days back*
[17:23] <daftykins> sjoshi, looks like your setup is a little confused
[17:23] <daftykins> sjoshi, did you recently upgrade?
[17:23] <sjoshi> Fresh install Xubuntu14.04 and then normal upgrades
[17:24] <someHuman> Help!
[17:24] <someHuman> I get this error when trying to open VBox.
[17:24] <someHuman> http://imgur.com/lkZ5osC
[17:24] <ratskinmahoney> daftykins: ah fair enough, thought there might possibly be some value in detailing my bios settings, but not an area I know much about, other than that i had to fiddle a little to get it working
[17:27] <sjoshi> daftykins: But i any of the case UBuntu Software Centre shouldn't been crashed
[17:27] <sjoshi> be*
[17:28] <sjoshi> Anyways, I have choosen to send the error report.. may be ubuntu official will see it useful
[17:28] <ratskinmahoney> daftykins: wait, tis exactly the same machine. surely optimus and bios will be very similar if not identical?
[17:28] <RuPeRterer> anyone run xbmc on ubuntu
[17:28] <bekks> RuPeRterer: What if someone does?
[17:29] <daftykins> sjoshi, not if your system is stable no, but perhaps it crashed due to a very messed up package setup on your system
[17:30] <daftykins> ratskinmahoney, W530? i thought i'd read asus U36JC or similar before
[17:30] <ratskinmahoney> 18:05 < Bref> if I install ubuntu GNOME 14.04 on my lenovo W530
[17:31] <Geo> at bootup, when grub states 'file not found', which file is it referring to? ie, which file am I looking in, to fix?
[17:31] <ratskinmahoney> (not meaning to be a pedant), just checking i hadn't missed anything
[17:31] <xenocode> hy all
[17:31] <someHuman> Hello!
[17:31] <melow01> I accidentally typed my password into the username field when logging into Ubuntu, does Ubuntu log that failed attempt to login? Like, is my password now sitting in a text file somewhere?
[17:31] <ratskinmahoney> Bref: if you want i can reboot an double-check my bios settings, as there are a couple of things to set
[17:31] <someHuman> I have this error whenever I try to use VBox http://imgur.com/lkZ5osC
[17:32] <someHuman> Can someone help me?
[17:32] <RuPeRterer> anyone run xbmc on ubuntu
[17:32] <TehNubKilla> yes
[17:32] <bekks> someHuman: Restore your backup of the named xml file.
[17:33] <someHuman> bekks: How?
[17:33] <TehNubKilla> RuPeRterer: what do you want to know
[17:33] <bekks> someHuman: By copying back that file from your backup.
[17:33] <someHuman> bekks: I haven't done a backup. -_-
[17:34] <bekks> someHuman: Then you can only close vbox, and delete thaht file. Afterwards, you have to add all vms again.
[17:34] <someHuman> bekks: Crap! I deleted that because I lacked space earlier while trying to virtualize a client OS and server side.
[17:35] <someHuman> I just reinstalled VBox from Software Centre.
[17:35] <bekks> someHuman: Why did you reinstall vbox? It doesnt recreate that file magically.
[17:35] <RuPeRterer> i have intel 4600
[17:35] <RuPeRterer> just worried about issues
[17:35] <Geo> RuPeRterer: you'll probably be better off joining #xbmc and asking there
[17:35] <bekks> RuPeRterer: Do you have any issues running xbmc?
[17:35] <RuPeRterer> k
[17:36] <someHuman> bekks: What do I do then?
[17:36] <bekks> someHuman: I told you what to do.
[17:36] <someHuman> bekks: Should I remove VBox now?
[17:36] <someHuman> What do you mean by vms
[17:36] <bekks> someHuman: No, WHY?
[17:36] <someHuman> vms?*
[17:37] <bekks> someHuman: "vms" mean "virtual machines".
[17:37] <someHuman> I already deleted the .xml file.
[17:37] <someHuman> How do I add the vms?
[17:37] <bekks> someHuman: WHY?
[17:37] <someHuman> Where do I get it?
[17:38] <someHuman> I remember deleting the virtualbox folder earlier because it's where the files of the virtualized machines are.
[17:38] <bekks> someHuman: what are you actually doing? you are telling that you deleted that file, you reinstalled vbox, and so on. Write less, read more. did you delete that file - yes or no?
[17:38] <someHuman> Yes.
[17:38] <bekks> someHuman: So you deleted all virtial machines already - yes or no?
[17:38] <someHuman> yes
[17:38] <bekks> someHuman: Then you are fine. Start vbox and start using it.
[17:38] <someHuman> Still doesn't work.
[17:39] <bekks> someHuman: Define "still doesnt work".
[17:39] <someHuman> Shows the same error.
[17:40] <bekks> someHuman: Then you did not do what I told you to do. I told you to stop virtualbox. That means: close the gui, and stop the vbox daemon, by running "sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv stop"
[17:40] <bekks> Then remove that .xml file, start the daemon, start the gui.
[17:42] <linuxuser_> hello everyone...
[17:42] <atek> Hi guys, so apparently in ubuntu 14.04 they have increase the password complexity requirements. I am building this machine for home use for my kids. I really don't agree that a desktop OS not joined to an enterprise administration server should be telling me what passwords I cannot use. Is there a way to loosen these reqs?
[17:42] <linuxuser_> somebody help me pls..
[17:42] <someHuman> bekks: sudo: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv: command not found
[17:43] <someHuman> I already closed the VBox GUI.
[17:43] <linuxuser_> i wanna install tor browser in my ubuntu 13.04.. but it says some error...
[17:43] <linuxuser_> please help me friends
[17:43] <bekks> someHuman: So you install virtualbox from the ubuntu repos, I guess?
[17:43] <someHuman> bekks: Yup.
[17:43] <bekks> linuxuser_: First upgrade to a supported release, then ask again.
[17:43] <bekks> !raring | linuxuser_
[17:43] <linuxuser_> i've upgraded it bro.. bekks...
[17:44] <bekks> someHuman: I strongly suggest to install the latest official virtualbox version from the official website.
[17:44] <someHuman> bekks: Ok.
[17:44] <linuxuser_> bekks.. i've upgraded my ubuntu.. but still it says some error..
[17:44] <bekks> linuxuser_: you did not, since you said: "i wanna install tor browser in my ubuntu 13.04". I am not your "bro".
[17:44] <atek> anyone on the password complexity question?
[17:44] <linuxuser_> sorry sir bekks
[17:44] <bekks> linuxuser_: Pastebin "lsb_release -a" and the specific error you get please. "some error" is nothing we can help you with.
[17:45] <linuxuser_> i will tell that error
[17:45] <bekks> linuxuser_: Pastebin it.
[17:45] <bekks> !pastebin | linuxuser_
[17:45] <linuxuser_> pastebin??
[17:45] <bekks> linuxuser_: And pastebin "lsb_release -a" before.
[17:46] <linuxuser_> Reading package lists... Done
[17:46] <linuxuser_> Building dependency tree
[17:46] <linuxuser_> Reading state information... Done
[17:46] <linuxuser_> E: Unable to locate package tor-browser
[17:46] <bekks> linuxuser_: STOP spamming the channel.
[17:46] <linuxuser_> its the error sir
[17:46] <bekks> linuxuser_: USE a pastebin. Thank you.
[17:46] <linuxuser_> ok sir
[17:47] <bekks> linuxuser_: And put the output of "lsb_release -a" in a pastebin. As I ask you three times now.
[17:47] <MonkeyDust> !info tor-browser
[17:47] <linuxuser_> No LSB modules are available.
[17:47] <linuxuser_> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[17:47] <linuxuser_> Description:	Ubuntu 13.04
[17:47] <linuxuser_> Release:	13.04
[17:47] <linuxuser_> Codename:	raring
[17:47] <atek> Uhm... I just want to give my kids simple passwords... can anyone help?
[17:47] <linuxuser_> lsb_release sir
[17:47] <unopaste> linuxuser_ you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[17:48] <Beldar> linuxuser_, Do not use terms like bro or sir, this is a worldwide channel, that is inappropriate.
[17:48] <k1l> !eol | linuxuser_
[17:48] <xangua> linuxuser_: please upgrade to a supported ubuntu release
[17:48] <bekks> linuxuser_: Ok, I set you onto ignore since you obviously just want to spam this channel. Good luck.
[17:48] <MonkeyDust> linuxuser_  you're looking for something that does not exist, in a release that's no longer supported
[17:48] <linuxuser_> pls some body help me
[17:49] <xangua> atek: just add users via terminal https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddUsersHowto#Command-line
[17:49] <linuxuser_> fuck you asshole .. bekks
[17:49] <bazhang> !eolupgrades | linuxuser_
[17:49] <Pessimist> atek: sudo passwd <username> :)
[17:49] <bazhang> linuxuser_, thats NEVER acceptable here
[17:50] <linuxuser_> which is not acceptable bazhang
[17:50] <atek> Ahh thanks xangua and Pessimist
[17:50] <bazhang> swearing at others linuxuser_
[17:50] <Beldar> atek, Can you be more detailed?
[17:50] <linuxuser_> i'm sorry bazhang
[17:50] <bazhang> linuxuser_, your system is end of life, upgrade to a supported version
[17:50] <linuxuser_> that guy blamed me so only
[17:51] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades <----- linuxuser_
[17:51] <Pessimist> atek: I think in system settings there is a seperate section for user accounts and you should be able to do everything from there (create new ones, change passwords)
[17:51] <linuxuser_> end of version means>...
[17:51] <bazhang> read that link
[17:51] <k1l> linuxuser_: not a single security update for you.
[17:51] <MonkeyDust> linuxuser_  your ubuntu is dead, no longer supported
[17:51] <atek> Beldar When attempting to use the UI for user accounts by default they are disabled after creation. When attempting to enable by setting the passwords the UI states "Not good enough" in regards to the password strength
[17:51] <linuxuser_> what i've to do
[17:51] <bazhang> linuxuser_, I told you
[17:52] <linuxuser_> i've to upgrade bazhang??
[17:52] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades  <---- linuxuser_
[17:52] <bazhang> linuxuser_, read that link and upgrade
[17:52] <Beldar> atek, Ah, well we are not going to tel you how to bypass "Not good enough" You giving them admin accounts?
[17:52] <linuxuser_> i'm a new user mr.bazhang so only lot of confusion
[17:53] <bazhang> linuxuser_, so read the link
[17:54] <atek> Beldar, no they are not getting admin accounts, I have the admin account. I find it odd that a desktop distro for personal use does not allow a bypass of password complexity. I work as a network admin (windows), enterprise/business is the only place that should be required and is determined by legal compliance requirements or if not applicable Owners choice
[17:55] <Beldar> atek, Nice rhetoric, however an opinion.
[17:56] <Beldar> honestly kids can probably remember a password better than an adult by a certain age
[17:56] <soultitanium> just tape it to the monitor ;)
[17:56] <soultitanium> that's what everyone does at work
[17:56] <atek> Hahaha, well I don't want the kids accessing each others accounts
[17:56] <bah_> are there any alternatives to nano and vim for edit files in terminal ?
[17:56] <bazhang> !find stickynotes
[17:57] <Pessimist> bah_: http://xkcd.com/378/
[17:58] <atek> Beldar, please explain how my retort in regards to complexity is rhetoric as you say? Is linux not about choice? therefore am I not free to choose the complexity requirements of my own machine?
[17:58] <Beldar> Pessimist, That is considered spam here.
[17:58] <ratskinmahoney> atek: it can be bypassed, it just shouldn't be, I think is the advice.
[17:58] <heliosmartinez>      Password characters should be a combination of alphanumeric characters. Alphanumeric characters consist of letters, numbers, punctuation marks, mathematical and other conventional symbols. See implementation below for the exact characters referred to.
[17:58] <heliosmartinez>     For change password functionality, if possible, keep a history of old passwords hashes used. You should not store the actual passwords to protect against brute forcing if the database file is compromised. In this way, the user cannot change to a password that was used a couple of months back.
[17:58] <atek> ratskinmahoney I understand that but please understand this is not a critical machine
[17:59] <Pessimist> atek: just use sudo passwd <username> then
[17:59] <Pessimist> o wait, it checks for complexity too (man passwd)
[18:00] <ratskinmahoney> atek: fair. I think it checks, Pessimist, but does not enforce
[18:00] <bah_> Pessimist, yes I know there are a lot of editors and I use gedit.  my question is if there are any alternatives to vim and nano edit files from the terminal/shell
[18:00] <ratskinmahoney> at any rate running passwd as root allows me to set a users password to whatever i want
[18:00] <atek> sudo passwd <username> was successful
[18:00] <someHuman> bekks: I am trying to install the downloaded VBox from the Oracle, but software centers says the former VBox still exists or at least a package.
[18:01] <bekks> someHuman: So uninstall the formerly installed vbox packages.
[18:01] <atek> Thank you all for the assistance and letting me express my opinion
[18:01] <someHuman> bekks: I already un-installed VBox earlier, probably there's a package that stands on it's own somewhere.
[18:02] <someHuman> What terminal command can I use to search my system for potential VBox files?
[18:02] <bekks> someHuman: dpkg -l | grep virtualbox
[18:02] <Pessimist> bah_: a ton: emacs, vi, ed, etc
[18:02] <ice9> how to direct an application audio output to headphones while the speakers are working too?
[18:03] <someHuman> bekks: http://imgur.com/3vvbCG8
[18:03] <bekks> someHuman: As you can clearly see, you did NOT uninstall vbox.
[18:04] <someHuman> bekks: I thought I did, sorry am a noob.
[18:04] <someHuman> bekks: How do I remove those?
[18:04] <bekks> someHuman: Using the software center.
[18:05] <Beldar> ratskinmahoney, Ubuntu is designed to not have a root password using one is not a good idea.
[18:05] <ahadoop> Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and NVIDIA fail (again)?!
[18:05] <bekks> ahadoop: Define "fail".
[18:05] <Beldar> !details >ahadoop
[18:05] <Pessimist> someHuman: sudo apt-get remove <package 1> <package 2> ... <package n>
[18:06] <ahadoop> bekks: cannot install nvidia driver on my w530. black screen
[18:06] <bah_> Pessimist,  ed is totally outdated, but emacs, can you run that one in terminal ? I use zsh as a bash replacement
[18:07] <Pessimist> bah_: yep
[18:07] <ahadoop> Did somebody succeed in installing 14.04 with working nvidia drivers?
[18:07] <nith1210> ahadoop: I'm running 14.04 with nvidia drivers right now. GTX 570.
[18:08] <k1l> ahadoop: i bet there is at least one :)
[18:08] <Beldar> ahadoop, This is not a polling channel stop and address your actual issue, and name the graphic card.
[18:08] <Beldar> ah cool you have now
[18:09] <ratskinmahoney> Beldar: yes, I know. I think the advice given was clear enough that this is possible, rather than advised. (in light of preceding conversation)
[18:09] <bah_> Pessimist, i can't find any info about emacs, only vim and nano.  http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/nano-vs-vim-terminal-text-editors-compared/
[18:10] <ratskinmahoney> ahadoop: disable onboard graphics and graphics switching in bios. this works on my W530
[18:10] <ahadoop> Beldar: I have a Lenovo W530 with an Intel chip and Nvidia K2000M. Running ubuntu 13.10 using nvidia drivers (proprietary) worked without problems (I need the Nvidia chip because my external VGA is wired to this card!). If I try to install 14.04 I can not even boot into the installer. I just get a black screen. everything works if I dsiable the card in the bios.
[18:11] <Beldar> ratskinmahoney, It does no good to feed a person bent on just breaking basic protection, they claim to be a windows admin, let them figure it out, don't just feed you ego.
[18:11] <Beldar> your*
[18:11] <ahadoop> ratskinmahoney: An how do you use your laptop in a presentation on a beamer with your VGA port wired to the Nvidia chip=
[18:11] <ratskinmahoney> Beldar: apologies. Point taken.
[18:11] <Pessimist> ratskinmahoney: heh, your guess is correct
[18:13] <nith1210> ahadoop: Have you tried nomodeset when opening up the installer?
[18:14] <bekks> ahadoop: "cannot install driver" and "black screen" are pretty contrary. Cant you install the driver and you get a error message - or can you install the driver and get a black screen on next reboot?
[18:14] <ratskinmahoney> ahadoop: i avoid using nvidia settings and use xrandr commands to change an y display settings. i don't know if that is 'advisable' but it works with no significant problems.
[18:15] <ahadoop> bekks: I can not install the driver when my NVIDIa card is set in the bios. I can install the driver when I enable both graphics in the bios. but when I restart after installing the driver the screen turns black again
[18:15] <bekks> ahadoop: So which nvidia chipset very exactly do you have?
[18:16] <ahadoop> bekks: quadro K2000M
[18:16] <melow01> I accidentally typed my password into the username field when logging into Ubuntu, does Ubuntu log that failed attempt to login? Like, is my password now sitting in a text file somewhere?
[18:16] <bekks> ahadoop: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2073224
[18:16] <oeoe> could someone help me with my issues in dmesg????
[18:16] <oeoe> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7484847/
[18:16] <bekks> oeoe: That depends on the issues.
[18:17] <bekks> oeoe: Pastebin "dmesg" please, not some useless stripped down excerpt.
[18:17] <oeoe> ok sorry
[18:17] <ahadoop> bekks: thanks, but thats quite old. Everything worked fine in 13.04.
[18:18] <Debolaz> melow01: This is a good reason why you should have 1 password per site, so when stuff like that happens, you only need to change it that one place.
[18:19] <oeoe> bekks http://paste.ubuntu.com/7484864/
[18:19] <Beldar> Debolaz, How is that even relative?
[18:19] <melow01> Debolaz, ok but is my password now sitting in a log file somewhere in Ubuntu?
[18:19] <Kabraxis> Hey there
[18:19] <Beldar> melow01, Change the password with passwd in the terminal
[18:20] <Kabraxis> Does anyone have a good tutorial on removing ecryptfs from home/ubuntu 14.04 altogether?
[18:20] <Kabraxis> or make it less agressive?
[18:21] <guille> Buenas
[18:21] <guille> HOLAAA
[18:22] <Jordan_U> Kabraxis: What do you mean by "less aggressive"?
[18:22] <melow01> Beldar, thanks, but is my password now sitting in a log file somewhere in Ubuntu?
[18:22] <Kabraxis> It locke everything whenever I do something, even when I open Nautilus
[18:22] <Kabraxis> locks*
[18:23] <_Tristan> I get an error when I do "wget -O - {ur} | dpkg -i -" does anybody know the correct way to install a deb from a url from the command line?
[18:23] <oeoe> bekks what do you think about the dmesg errors??
[18:23] <Beldar> melow01, Not sure, I would just change it and call it a day if you are worried.
[18:23] <melow01> Beldar, ok thanks
[18:24] <someHuman> bekks: What the heck?!
[18:24] <enp> greetings
[18:24] <someHuman> bekks: Still get the same error.
[18:24] <someHuman> enp: Hey there!
[18:24] <bekks> someHuman: Thats expected. Since you did not remove the broken xml file yet.
[18:24] <caelian2> gey guys, d oyou think that serving a mirror with lighttpd is a good idea? Will lighttpd be able to handle it?
[18:25] <bekks> caelian2: If you have a box powerful enough of handling the traffic, why dont you use a real webserver? :)
[18:25] <nith1210> ahadoop: Have you tried nomodeset when opening up the installer?
[18:26] <Beldar> _Tristan, Are you sure what your installing is not in the repos?
[18:26] <caelian2> bekks: good idea
[18:26] <_Tristan> yes
[18:26] <ahadoop> nith1210: no, I did not try this. But when I start with NVIDIA Optimus selected in the Bios I can install the driver. But after the restart I have a black screen.
[18:26] <caelian2> bekks: mainly because I already have set up lighttpd for my WP-blog :|
[18:26] <Beldar> _Tristan, use nicks here please.
[18:26] <caelian2> but ok, gonna set up nginx
[18:27] <bekks> caelian2: I'd just use apache.
[18:29] <_Tristan> _Beldar: Sorry
[18:29] <oeoe> bekks: have you check my problem??
[18:29] <_Tristan> oops
[18:29] <caelian2> bekks: hahaha, that was a joke, right? :P machine may be powerful, but that's not a reason why I'd just waste resources by running apache on it :P
[18:30] <nith1210> ahadoop: So lets make sure we're on the same page. The installer would not work with your nvidia card enabled. You disabled it and used the onboard intel card to install ubuntu
[18:30] <bekks> oeoe: You have a BIOS which has a broken ACPI implementation.
[18:30] <bekks> caelian2: No, it wasnt a joke,.
[18:30] <nith1210> ahadoop: then you installed the nvidia drivers after the fact, reenabled the card, and you're getting a black screen?
[18:30] <oeoe> bekks: and how could I fix it???
[18:30] <bekks> oeoe: By upgrading your BIOS.
[18:31] <ahadoop> nith1210: yes, but I did not swithc to the intel card, instead I switched to the nvidia optimus option. otherwise it will not work because there will be not active nvidia card anyway.
[18:31] <Beldar> _Tristan, I do see some old links on the web about this, seems possible, but the general consensus I see is use a ubuntu installer since it's a deb. here is one, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1172780
[18:32] <_Tristan> Beldar: Thank you
[18:32] <Beldar> http://askubuntu.com/questions/51854/is-it-possible-to-install-a-deb-from-a-url   another _Tristan
[18:32] <nith1210> ahadoop: You mean after installing the nvidia drivers, you've not yet booted without the nvidia card enabled?
[18:32] <Beldar> _Tristan no problem hope one works. ;)
[18:33] <oeoe> bekks: and I have another problem as you can see too in my dmesg it detects me that I have 3 HDMI outputs, but I only have one. I paste you also the outputs of aplay -l http://paste.ubuntu.com/7484963/
[18:33] <ratskinmahoney> ahadoop: have you tried switching to discrete graphics and optimus off?
[18:33] <nith1210> ahadoop: Please describe what you see on your screen before the screen goes black.
[18:33] <_Tristan> Beldar: Got it from the second one, turns out mktemp is the way to go. Thanks again.
[18:33] <bekks> oeoe: You have to fix that broken BIOS first.
[18:33] <nith1210> ahadoop: as in, from the point you hit the power button, to the point darkness takes your display.
[18:33] <ahadoop> ratskinmahoney: no option. I need the vga port for a second screen (beamer)
[18:33] <oeoe> bekks: ok thanks!!
[18:34] <Beldar> _Tristan, Ah, yeah that one had more possibilities, cool, enjoy.
[18:35] <ahadoop> nith1210: boot from usb stick with 14.04 with nvidia on: black screen when it should start with the "loading dots" thing of the ubuntu splash screen. with intel on: no problem. with nvidia optimus on: no problem (it uses the intel card).
[18:35] <ACCBiggz> Trouble with Steam. Will not launch game. A ldd run shows "libsteam_api.so => not found" - Paste: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7483922/
[18:36] <nith1210> ahadoop: "From usb stick"; an installer?
[18:36] <ratskinmahoney> ahadoop: the nvidia card is th discrete graphics card, optimus is the graphics card switching stuff. i have discrete graphics and optimus off. in this way i am using the nvidia card only
[18:37] <ahadoop> nith1210: a bootable usb stick with ubuntu 14.04.
[18:37] <someHuman> bekks: I went into installed tabs of software center and removed all of the virtualbox results.
[18:37] <ahadoop> ratskinmahoney: with the discrete graphics on I see a black screen when the splash screen of ubuntu should be
[18:37] <someHuman> It should remove all of vbox files in my system.
[18:38] <bekks> someHuman: It will NOT remove any personal files. Never.
[18:38] <someHuman> Argh, where is that?! :(
[18:38] <bekks> someHuman: Thats why I told you what to do, which you havent followed until now.
[18:38] <dw1> someHuman: remove != purge
[18:38] <bekks> someHuman: The error message clearly tells you.
[18:38] <bekks> dw1: and purge will never remove personal files, too.
[18:39] <dw1> remove / purge != hammer
[18:41] <nith1210> ahadoop: have you installed bumblebee?
[18:42] <Debolaz> Is it possible to enable bluetooth keyboards during the LUKS (Ie, full disk encryption) password prompt?
[18:42] <someHuman> bekks: Done it! Thanks!
[18:42] <nith1210> ahadoop: also, have you read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Optimus; notibly the section under "GNU/Linux support"
[18:42] <ratskinmahoney> ahadoop: ok. i get a terminal style splash screen rather than the normal one, and then greeter opens normally. Trying to remember what else i might have done when setting up.
[18:53] <nullbyte_> does ubuntu 14.04 haves basic video driver option for installation
[18:54] <wols> yes
[18:54] <nullbyte_> wols: how
[18:54] <Geo> if grub tells me 'no such device' and lists a UUID, what file would that be coming from?
[18:54] <wols> Geo: your grub.cfg
[18:55] <wols> nullbyte_: do you have a specific question?
[18:55] <qstrahl> I'm having problems with Mplayer; when I open a file, it says "playing" but never starts actually playing. I can move around in the file, stop and start, but it never plays. Halp?
[18:55] <Geo> and where is that located?
[18:55] <nullbyte_> when i trying to start installation from ubuntu 14.04 cd on boot, i got silver sreen who freezes with mouse cursor
[18:55] <wols> Geo: you do not edit it directly
[18:55] <wols> !fixmbr
[18:55] <nullbyte_> and it loads nothing
[18:55] <nullbyte_> exactly moment with nouveau loading driver
[18:55] <wols> Geo: the important command is "update-grub" which can fix this
[18:56] <Geo> so what file am I editing to change that old UUID then?
[18:56] <nullbyte_> with GUI setup installation, how to start video basic setup installation?
[18:56] <Jay_> hey, i did sudo apt-get install xfce4 and i didnt get it booting into XFCE4
[18:56] <nullbyte_> video basic driver
[18:56] <nullbyte_> wols..
[18:56] <Geo> what is grub-update pulling from
[18:56] <wols> Geo: you do not editing anything
[18:57] <Geo> wols: I need to edit something. grub is trying to load a drive that is no longer there. How do I tell it that it is no lnoger there?
[18:57] <moza> nullbyte_, did you check the compatibility of your machine (screen, motherboard etc.) with ubuntu ?
[18:57] <psusi> Geo, run sudo update-grub
[18:57] <nullbyte_> moza yes
[18:58] <moza> nullbyte_, normally it works automatically (the video drivers)
[18:58] <Geo> psusi, I've done that already
[18:58] <Geo> I'm trying to ask what that is looking at, when it updates grub
[18:58] <Geo> because its looking at something that is no longer there
[18:58] <psusi> Geo, it looks at your drives
[18:58] <moza> but sometimes it's required to install or do something extra, and often the instructions are given by model of your hardware
[18:58] <moza> -_-
[18:59] <Geo> does running grub-update from a live cd cause issues?
[18:59] <wols> Geo: no you don't. you need to boot from a livecd or similar and and follow the factoid and in the end run update-grub
[18:59] <psusi> Geo, it would have no effect
[18:59] <wols> Geo: not if you do it right. which is why ubottu told you what to do
[18:59] <wols> psusi: it has an effect
[18:59] <psusi> unless you mean from a live cd while chrooted into your hd
[19:00] <Geo> wols: have you read that link? it certainly does not say what to do
[19:00] <Geo> its very informative about grub, but doesn't tell me what to do
[19:00] <psusi> Geo, what exactly is the problem again?
[19:01] <Geo> swapping out drives, on reboot grub errors, and says it was looking for a UUID of an old HD
[19:01] <Geo> I just ran update-grub again, from the live cd, non-chroot'd
[19:01] <Geo> is that what you meant? or should I chroot?
[19:01] <whoever> Geo: then you need to ssh in or get in to grub and edit the uuid to fix, that error
[19:02] <Geo> whoever: and I'm being told by the others that that is not possible.
[19:02] <wols> you chroot into your ubuntu installation and run update-grub there, yes
[19:02] <wols> you can edit grub from the grub menu and boot once and then run update-grub too. you cannot ssh in since the ubuntu installation isn't booting obviously
[19:03] <whoever> Geo: it is if you had a boot drive or any drive die that booted via uuid and you just changed the drive and tried to boot , the fstab still has the entry of the old uuid
[19:04] <psusi> Geo, running it from the live cd does nothing since grub is not installed there.. you have to run it from the hd... if you can't boot from the hd, then you can simulate it by chrooting into the hd from the livecd
[19:04] <Geo> yes, doing that now, thanks
[19:04] <whoever> Geo: what wols is saying is that will fix where grub is looking for the boot image
[19:05] <ripthejacker> Hi guys
[19:06] <TehNubKilla> gi huys
[19:06] <ripthejacker> Everytime I open nautilus, I can see the hidden files.
[19:06] <TehNubKilla> and thats a bad thing?
[19:06] <ripthejacker> even if I turn off 'show hidden files' the next time I open my home dir, it's still visible.
[19:06] <TehNubKilla> did you reboot?
[19:06] <ripthejacker> TehNubKilla: it's not bad, but it's not what I want
[19:07] <ripthejacker> TehNubKilla: reboot after?
[19:07] <nith1210> ripthejacker: Does "CTRL+H" toggle them on you?
[19:07] <ripthejacker> nith1210: yes.
[19:07] <ripthejacker> nith1210: it's hidden temporarily, but If I open a new session of nautilus, it's still visible.
[19:09] <Yelu> ripthejacker, did you make it permanent via Nautilus menu "Edit" => "Preferences" => "Views" tab?
[19:10] <linuxuser_> hi
[19:10] <ripthejacker> Yelu: :| , sorry for being a noob.
[19:10] <ripthejacker> Yelu: never knew such an option existed
[19:11] <ripthejacker> Yelu: thanks it worked.
[19:11] <Yelu> ripthejacker, aren't we all?
[19:11] <Jordan_U> Geo: What exactly happens when you try to boot?
[19:11] <Bashing-om> linuxuser_: Hello !
[19:11] <ripthejacker> pretty sure I didn't toggle that option.
[19:11] <linuxuser_> hi bash
[19:11] <Geo> Jordan_U: varying things, depending on what i've done
[19:11] <Geo> I believe where i'm at now is that it just doesn't boot at all
[19:12] <Geo> hangs after 'boot from cd' option, (there is none in the drive) so it just sits there
[19:12] <Jordan_U> Geo: It sounds like you just need to run grub-install properly.
[19:12] <linuxuser_> hi Bashing-om
[19:12] <Jordan_U> Geo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_ChRoot
[19:13] <Bashing-om> linuxuser_: What's up ? Support ?
[19:13] <Jordan_U> Geo: But the results from boot info script might be enlightening as well.
[19:13] <Jordan_U> !bootinfo | Geo
[19:13] <linuxuser_> Bashing will u come for pvt chat pls??
[19:14] <Bashing-om> linuxuser_: Better in channel, - peer review !
[19:14] <Geo> ok Jordan_U, sorry
[19:14] <Geo> what I get (looking at the screen)
[19:14] <Geo> error: no such device: <<UUID>>
[19:14] <Geo> and then the grub_rescue prompt
[19:14] <Geo> thats actually where i'm at right now
[19:15] <Geo> that UUID is a drive that was removed
[19:15] <Geo> but formerly held the boot partition on it
[19:15] <wols> Jordan_U: it's not grub-install which updates the grub.cfg. one needs update-grub for that
[19:15] <meek_geek> the issue is i can download .epub from en.flossmanuals.net and they work great but .epub my friend just sent me and the i created are .epub but not only linux distro but my android phone is treating them as Archives wtf ?
[19:16] <Jordan_U> wols: And it's not the grub.cfg that's Geo's problem. If they're at a grub rescue shell then grub wasn't able to find its /boot/grub/ to be able to read the grub.cfg in the first place.
[19:17] <Jordan_U> Geo: So grub's core.img is still configured to look for its /boot/grub/ on the old drive. Re-running grub-install (properly) is the way to fix this.
[19:18] <Geo> Jordan_U, when using a raid, should the boot partition (raid 1) be listed as a linux partition, or raid partition in fdisk?
[19:18] <Geo> and I mean bootable partition, not /boot
[19:19] <Jordan_U> Geo: What do you mean by bootable?
[19:19] <Geo> The drive that boots the machine
[19:19] <Geo> does grub look/care at the type in fdisk?
[19:20] <Jordan_U> Geo: But you were talking about partitions. BIOSs boot from drives, not partitions. My guess is you're thinking of the "active flag", which grub indeed does not care about (and neither does your BIOS unless it's buggy).
[19:20] <Geo> thanks
[19:21] <Jordan_U> Geo: You're welcome.
[19:22] <delt> Hello
[19:22] <delt>   Could not find GLEW library files
[19:22] <delt> GLEW is in fact installed.... 14.04
[19:22] <Geo> on a slightly different topic, if a partition doesn't end on a cylinder boundary, does that matter?
[19:23] <MonkeyDust> !find glew
[19:23] <Jordan_U> Geo: No, "cylinders" don't actually exist in modern drives.
[19:23] <Geo> thanks
[19:24] <delt> -- GLEW include files found at /usr/local/include
[19:24] <delt> CMake Error at src/CMakeLists.txt:259 (message): Could not find GLEW library files
[19:27] <Geo> for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done   <-- would it make sense i need to make mount points first to mount each of those dirs to?
[19:28] <Geo> oh, nm
[19:28] <Geo> I see where its going
[19:30] <Geo> is grub-install --re-check /dev/md0 valid here? or should I choose one of the physical disks (sdf, in this case)
[19:30] <Geo> this may be where I went awry last time
[19:31] <soultitanium> Hi - I have a program installed on two boxes - one is running something like ubuntu 8 and the other is running 14.04.  When I look at top, the process using around 80% of the processor and the other using 110% on 14.04.  Anyone have any suggestions as to what's going on?
[19:31] <soultitanium> hardware is the same
[19:31] <Geo> OR if i read the next line
[19:31] <Geo> sorry again
[19:32] <Beldar> soultitanium, ubuntu 8 is eol, what is the program?
[19:32] <Beldar> ubuntu 8 is nlot relevant nor supported
[19:32] <Beldar> not*
[19:33] <OerHeks> i think he uses unity 8 ?
[19:33] <scarecrow54689> wow. my first IRC chat
[19:33] <principe> test
[19:33] <soultitanium> Beldar, whether it's supported is one thing, but why is it running so much faster?
[19:33] <Beldar> OerHeks, Ah, could be.
[19:33] <Beldar> soultitanium, I asked you a question, answering with one does not help.
[19:33] <OerHeks> 110% cpu power is not bad, if you have a 8-core ( 800% max)
[19:34] <scarecrow54689> how can I get a log of the previous chats?
[19:34] <soultitanium> Beldar, btw, it's a previous install that was used 4 years ago - I'm resurrecting these boxes and making sure that the new ubuntu will do what it needs to do so I can phase out the old boxes, but it would be really nice to know why the old version is running the program so much more effeciently
[19:34] <Beldar> soultitanium, WHAT IS THE PROGRAM< lol.
[19:34] <OerHeks> scarecrow54689, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[19:34] <paradoxajd> hello
[19:34] <MonkeyDust> soultitanium  ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:34] <soultitanium> Beldar, it's a custom in-house program for processing images from a camera
[19:35] <paradoxajd> which is channel for arch linux ?
[19:35] <Geo> Jordan_U ok, is there anything else I should check outside that FAQ before I reboot? anyway to verify things?
[19:35] <OerHeks> !alis | paradoxajd
[19:35] <paradoxajd> !alis | arch
[19:36] <scarecrow54689> Thank you @OerHeks
[19:36] <Beldar> soultitanium, Thanks technically 3rd party stuff is not supported here, however if you can give the right details you may get help here.
[19:36] <delt> yesssss, got it to at least start compiling... :D
[19:37] <soultitanium> Beldar, I guess my question is whether an old version of ubuntu should run software any faster, or am I looking at some configuration issue somewhere
[19:37] <soultitanium> Beldar, would 14 be that much more slow than 8?
[19:37] <Geo> Jordan_U, after following that FAQ, I am back to the grub rescue prompt, asking for the old UUID
[19:38] <Geo> rather, saying no such device (old UUID)
[19:38] <Beldar> soultitanium, that would be an opinion. We don;t suggest eol's here.
[19:38] <k1l> soultitanium: you dont have a choice since ubuntu 8.04 is out of support
[19:38] <hgyufyc>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER hony gplpgednimoe
[19:38] <KGM70> scarecrow54689, just do /join #archlinux in the server textbox
[19:38] <scarecrow54689> #archlinux
[19:38] <scarecrow54689> Oops
[19:39] <KGM70> the server , not the chat
[19:39] <soultitanium> beldar, my goal is to get rid of version 8, but I'm trying to figure out why an application would run so much better on the old version.  Obviously I wouldn't want to stay on an eol os
[19:39] <hgyufyc> #aircrack-ng
[19:39] <MonkeyDust> soultitanium  ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:39] <Beldar> soultitanium, Sure, this is beyond my help most likely, and the channels without any real details.
[19:39] <soultitanium> ok, lemme check in offtopic and see if anyone's got any ideas there.  thanks!
[19:40] <wideyes> howdy y'all! Anyone available to give me some help on the 'nice' command and setting user limits with /etc/security/limits.conf?
[19:40] <k1l> soultitanium: strip the modern ubuntu down. like disable services you dont need.
[19:41] <ratskinmahoney> k1l: that shouldn't affect the cpu requirement of the application itself
[19:42] <hgyufyc> I registered my neckname on freenode long ago i geuss 2 months ago  but when i use it i still can't access chanels like aircrack-ng WHY ???
[19:42] <soultitanium> ratskinmahoney, that's what I was thining - it's already got the bare minimum installed..
[19:42] <k1l> ratskinmahoney: well yes. that is right. but with new ubuntu versions there are new program versions. so you should see why the program uses more ressource
[19:42] <Beldar> hgyufyc, ask #freenode
[19:43] <k1l> hgyufyc: you need to login. not register every time. please see #freenode on issue with that
[19:43] <Geo> hgyufyc: a) this isnt the place to ask that type of question and b) you typed your msg command in here, instead of actually messaging NICKSERV, so we all now know your password.
[19:44] <smiremd_phone> How do I integrate Ubuntu's mail client with gmail? When I click mail to an address, I want it open that in gmail.
[19:45] <duckchat> smiremd_phone: which email client, thunderbird?
[19:45] <smiremd_phone> duckchat: I will accept any that work.
[19:46] <wideyes> anyone have any help for configuring /etc/security/limits.conf?
[19:46] <smiremd_phone> soultitanium: Are you sure the old machine has sufficient hardware? Ubuntu mow needs 3d graphics acceleration. Did you try a lighter DE Ubuntu spin, like Lubuntu?
[19:47] <duckchat> smiremd_phone: click email to?  are you talking about within nautilus?  file?
[19:47] <KGM70> smiremd_phone, using thunderbird won't open in gmail but it will fetch your emails from gmail and display them in thunderbird
[19:48] <Jordan_U> Geo: The device argument to grub-install specifies wehre grub's boot sector should be installed. Since your BIOS needs to load this boot sector, it needs to be in the MBR of a physical drive (your BIOS doesn't know anything about /dev/md0). So "grub-install /dev/sdX && grub-install /dev/sdY" where sdX is the first drive, and sdY the second.
[19:48] <smiremd_phone> duckchat: For example, I click 'send document as email' from libreoffice. It opens tne regular ubuntu email client. I would like to replace thay behaviour with opening gmail.
[19:48] <Geo> Jordan_U: yep, did it just like th
[19:48] <Geo> at
[19:48] <Geo> but still have the same error, 'no such device <<old UUID>>'
[19:48] <Jordan_U> Geo: Please pastebin the exact grub-install commands you ran and their output.
[19:48] <guest-P9Rzse> i
[19:48] <guest-P9Rzse> oi
[19:48] <duckchat> give me a min
[19:48] <guest-P9Rzse> o
[19:48] <guest-P9Rzse> oi
[19:49] <guest-P9Rzse> oii
[19:49] <guest-P9Rzse> oii
[19:49] <guest-P9Rzse> maconha g10 2 real
[19:49] <Geo> I don't suppose you'll believe me if I say I followed that FAQ exactly, and no errors came up? :)
[19:49] <Geo> grub-install --re-check for each drive reported normal
[19:50] <smiremd_phone> KGM70: I woukd like to replace the default functionality when clicking a mail link, to change it from opening ubuntu's default mail client, to opening gmail
[19:51] <Jordan_U> Geo: I'd like to see the full commands and full output.
[19:51] <KGM70> smiremd_phone, whynot just bookmark gmail in your browser
[19:51] <duckchat> smiremd_phone: open gmail??  in the browser?
[19:53] <smiremd_phone> kgm70 duckchat Because that button will automatically fill in the email address for me, which opening the browser will not do
[19:53] <smiremd_phone> KGM70: sorry I meant that for you as well but forgot to upcase your nick
[19:53] <KGM70> smiremd_phone, what button?
[19:54] <omar_> Hi all.
[19:54] <duckchat> smiremd_phone: I use Thunderbird as the default mail client.  configure thunderbird to use a gmail account and you should be good to go.
[19:54] <xenolyse> I don't have an option for twinview in my Nvidia X server settings. I've tried 331, 334 and 337 version of the drivers. Any suggestions on how I can enable twinview?
[19:55] <smiremd_phone> KGM70: any of the mail buttons in any bundled ubuntu application: firefox, libreoffice etc. They all open the default mail client. I woild like to change fhe default mail client to gmail.
[19:55] <KGM70> duckchat, he wants to open the actual gmail as in a browser
[19:55] <omar_> I have just install kubuntu-desktop, and then decided to remove it and go back to Unity, but the windows and menus still seem kde-like. What can I do to fully retrieve my previous desktop?
[19:55] <Beldar> smiremd_phone, gmail is on the web, it is not an app.
[19:55] <smiremd_phone> duckchat: That does not have the same functionality as gmail in the browser.
[19:55] <duckchat> KGM70: I kinda thought that.
[19:56] <ratskinmahoney> smiremd_phone: gnome-gmail is an option http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2130203
[19:56] <Jordan_U> Geo: The RESULTS.txt from boot info script would be useful as well.
[19:56] <smiremd_phone> ratskinmahoney: Thanks. Looking at it.
[19:57] <smiremd_phone> Beldar: From the users point of view, there is not reallt a difference these days.
[19:57] <duckchat> KGM70: I haven't used a browser for email in ages.  i use email client built into OS.
[19:57] <Beldar> smiremd_phone, Really who are these users, and do they have any touch with reality. ;)
[19:58] <Kabraxis> Hey people, a really quick one
[19:58] <smiremd_phone> ratskinmahoney: That does EXACTLY what I wanted, thank you. It replaces the mail client with gmail and copies the to/from fields over.
[19:58] <Kabraxis> So I'm removing ecryptfs
[19:58] <BartDude> Hi, guys. Is there anything private in any of these logs or are they safe to share with others --> dmesg, daemon, and syslog?
[19:58] <Kabraxis> does $PRIVATE means I need to replace that word with my own folder name?
[19:58] <KGM70> duckchat, yup, as in thunderbird , no need to open the browser.
[19:59] <Jordan_U> omar_: Change what session you use at the login screen. "sudo apt-get autoremove" might also remove all of the other packages that were installed by kubuntu-desktop (which is just a metapackage), but it might also remove other thing you still want, so read the list of packages carefully before continuing. (Or just be prepared to re-install things when you find they're gone, which isn't particularly difficult).
[19:59] <ratskinmahoney> smirmemd_phone: cool. might try it myself
[19:59] <Kabraxis> I mean, should "$ chmod 700 $PRIVATE" becomes " $ chmod 700 $KABRAXIS" or should i leave it as original?
[20:00] <omar_> Jordan_U, I already removed kubuntu-desktop, so what else should I auto-remove?
[20:01] <smiremd_phone> duckchat: For usm we switched to gmail as it had additional features, we are using it in place of a groupware server and document management system
[20:01] <Jordan_U> omar_: Literally just run "sudo apt-get autoremove". It removes all packages that were installed as dependencies of something else (rather than directly), but whose "something else" has since been removed.
[20:01] <BartDude> Hi, guys. Is there anything private in any of these logs or are they safe to share with others --> dmesg, daemon, and syslog?
[20:02] <noiro_> why after years is ubuntu still unable to play DVD's?
[20:02] <smiremd_phone> noiro_: it does if you load the 'illegal' modules that the us govt doesnt allow
[20:03] <Beldar> noiro_, ubnuntu plays dvd's has for a long time.
[20:03] <ratskinmahoney> Kabraxis: in what context? $PRIVATE is a variable, so you wouldn't just change the variable name, but you might need to assign it a value
[20:03] <noiro_> Where can I get a player which will play DVDs?
[20:03] <k1l> !dvd | noiro_
[20:04] <omar_> Jordan_U, Just did it. It only remove one package which has nothing to do with my issue. :\
[20:04] <Kabraxis> ratskinmahoney: I'm trying to remove ecryptfs, so it's about the chmod
[20:04] <Geo> Jordan_U: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7485343/
[20:04] <Beldar> noiro_, Not unlike other major OS, you need codecs on occasion.
[20:04] <Jordan_U> omar_: Did you understand what I said about chosing a session at the login screen?
[20:04] <Geo> I hope you trust me that I followed the FAQ and mounted/chroot'd the filesystem
[20:05] <Geo> I included the fdisk of the two drives in question as well
[20:05] <ratskinmahoney> Kabraxis: if this is a command that you are supposed to be entering into the terminal then 'echo $PRIVATE' will tell you if $PRIVATE has a value
[20:05] <omar_> Jordan_U, Yes
[20:05] <Kabraxis> Oh, i see. Thanks
[20:05] <Geo> Jordan_U: those two disks are intended to be in a mdadm raid 1 when this is all said and done
[20:05] <Jordan_U> !bootinfo | Geo
[20:06] <smiremd_phone> ratskinmahoney: Testing gnome-gmail now, it's in the Trusty repo.
[20:06] <BartDude> Someone PLEASE answer me.
[20:07] <Beldar> !patience > BartDude
[20:07] <BartDude> Beldar: :O
[20:08] <smiremd_phone> ratskinmahoney: Again thanks. Works
[20:09] <random-spam6> anybody know how to get rid of the "type to search" thing in gnome
[20:10] <Beldar> BartDude, in nautilus? a little context helps.
[20:10] <the_drow> Are there up to date graphviz binaries for 14.04?
[20:10] <BartDude> Beldar: You need to tell me what nautilus is. :P
[20:10] <the_drow> I need 2.38 and I have 2.36
[20:10] <BartDude> Beldar: A clean Ubuntu installation if that helps.
[20:10] <Beldar> BartDude, Home in ubuntu
[20:11] <Beldar> random-spam6, in nautilus? a little context helps.
[20:11] <Beldar> BartDude, I meant that to ^^^^^^^^^^^^
[20:11] <Beldar> my mistake
[20:11] <Geo> Jordan_U: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7485366
[20:11] <smiremd_phone> BartDude: Naultilus is the file manager. What Ubuntu calls 'windows explorer' or 'apple finder'.
[20:11] <BartDude> Beldar: Does that help you? :)
[20:11] <BartDude> smiremd_phone: Yeah, I guess that's it then.
[20:11] <BartDude> I haven't changed anything.
[20:12] <Beldar> BartDude, I can clearly say if your concerns are valid in this context is all, if it were me I would just look what's there.
[20:12] <Geo> Jordan_U: you'll only be intersted in /sda and /sdb; sda is still blank so its not surprsing it doesnt see anything as 'mountable' there
[20:12] <Jordan_U> Geo: grub-install /dev/sdc
[20:12] <BartDude> Beldar: Look what's inside the logs?
[20:13] <Beldar> BartDude, Yeah.
[20:13] <BartDude> Alien language to me.
[20:13] <BartDude> :/
[20:13] <Geo> Jordan_U: I'm not intersted in trying to boot from those disks
[20:13] <Geo> why am I doing that?
[20:13] <BartDude> Beldar: I don't know! :(
[20:13] <Geo> sdc is part of a raid5, i dont think i want to do that
[20:13] <deadmund> I'm looking for ssh access to an Ubuntu machine that I can use to compile ffmpeg (for free).  Any ideas?
[20:13] <smiremd_phone> They need to rename Nautilus. It should be named 'Ubuntu File Finder' or something. How is a new user supposed to know what Nautilus is?
[20:13] <omar_> Jordan_U, I have already chosen gnome as the default desktop. But actually KDE is still available as a desktop choice which means that it's still not completely removed, and it is still affecting my gnome desktop, making all windows appear and behave in a KDE manner.. :\
[20:13] <BartDude> Beldar: So it's possible that I've been sharing private information? ;(
[20:13] <Beldar> BartDude, Cool, the channel may have help, you just have to wait sometimes is all, crack a cold one and enjoy. ;)
[20:14] <Jordan_U> Geo: Because your BIOS apparently is interested in booting from those disks. You're getting that error message because your BIOS is booting from one of sd{c,d,e,f}.
[20:14] <Beldar> BartDude, I would not empirically know.
[20:14] <BartDude> Crap!
[20:14] <BartDude> Now I'm scared.
[20:14] <Geo> ah, and thats the UUID it is error'ing on, btw
[20:14] <Geo> I think i'd actually rather delete grub from sdc
[20:15] <Geo> is that possible?
[20:15] <Beldar> BartDude, I doubt you are in trouble, really here you have to be exact on what you have done is all to the channel.
[20:15] <Geo> advisable?
[20:15] <Geo> maybe I just need to update grub on all those disks
[20:15] <Geo> because they're all looking for the non-existant UUID as root
[20:15] <Beldar> Geo, YOu had one of the best helpers here, post the bootinfo to them.
[20:15] <Geo> Beldar: already did.
[20:16] <Jordan_U> Geo: I'd personally recommend installing grub's boot sector to all of your disks, so that you can boot no matter which disk your BIOS decides to boot from.
[20:16] <Beldar> Geo, Cool missed it.
[20:16] <Geo> well, there's nothing to boot from on the RAID5
[20:17] <Geo> And tell me is this is horribly dumb, but I'd like to just update what sdc-f have listed as root
[20:17] <Geo> I think that would solve much of this
[20:17] <Geo> the way I read this, its looking for that UUID as root, and obviously its not there anymore... so how do i just update that field?
[20:17] <Geo> is that grub-update on each of the disks?
[20:18] <Jordan_U> Geo: The way to "update what sdc-f have listed as root" is to run: for disk in sd{c,d,e,f}; do grub-install "$disk"; done
[20:18] <Geo> gotcha
[20:18] <Geo> thank you
[20:18] <Geo> 'install' is what threw me for a loop in that command
[20:19] <Jordan_U> Geo: You're welcome. Once booted (or now, in the chroot), you'll want to run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" and configure the grub-pc package to install grub's boot sector to all of the drives for future upgrades as well.
[20:19] <Kabraxis> wow. I removed ecryptfs and now I can't login at all :D
[20:19] <deadmund> Anybody know where I can get access to an Ubuntu server to compile some software and then copy the binary back?
[20:21] <smiremd_phone> deadmund: Install one in a VM?
[20:21] <Geo> ok - did that. think i'm ready for a reboot?
[20:22] <deadmund> smiremd_phone: I do not have root on the machine I am using and I do not have permission to install VMs.
[20:22] <Geo> drum roll!
[20:22] <tendo> does anyone know why a disk in a brand new mdadm array would be degraded?
[20:22] <Geo> I still get 'no such device: UUID', but it is letting me boot this time
[20:22] <smiremd_phone> deadmund: Ah, you may be able to get free vps. Or you may install a vm on your home computer.
[20:22] <Geo> I had to press a key, Jordan_U
[20:23] <Geo> but this is progress
[20:23] <deadmund> smiremd_phone: Any suggestions of a VPS to use?
[20:23] <smiremd_phone> deadmund: but why must it be an ubuntu server?
[20:24] <deadmund> smiremd_phone: I'm following a tutorial to install ffmpeg in Android.  The tutorial assumes I'm using Ubuntu.  Some other distros may work, but maybe not.  Playing it safe using Ubuntu
[20:25] <vincenzo> hi
[20:26] <wid0wm4ker> hi
[20:27] <ratskinmahoney> deadmund: could just use an ubuntu live instance. quicker than setting up a vm
[20:27] <deadmund> ratskinmahoney: On the machine I'm using, I'm not allowed to boot a live CD
[20:28] <ratskinmahoney> deadmund: ah ok.
[20:28] <Jordan_U> Geo: Is it the same UUID you're getting an error message about? Could you please re-run boot info script?
[20:30] <macscam1> hello i logged into "Openbox" and now my computer automatically loads into it. I don't know how to do anything from there because I just have a blank blue screen and no commands I know work. I would be happy if I could just log out
[20:31] <macscam1> anybody know how this is possible? how can i boot ubuntu so it doesnt automatically log in
[20:32] <Beldar> macscam1, Does the original desktop have autologin on?
[20:33] <macscam1> Beldar, yeah, the original being GNOME, I was just switching to check out the other installed ones
[20:33] <Beldar> macscam1, Turn off the autologin
[20:33] <macscam1> Beldar ok is it possible to do this from "advanced boot Ubuntu" or whatever its called
[20:33] <Beldar> ubuntu will autologin to the last desktop used in general or chosen at login macscam1
[20:34] <macscam1> Beldar ... ok but how do I get to the login screen again
[20:34] <Beldar> macscam1, Do it from users where you turned it on, I assume you did it there.
[20:34] <Beldar> macscam1, logout
[20:35] <Beldar> macscam1, YOU can open the users app in openbox I assume and do the same on/off
[20:35] <macscam1> Beldar I cannot log out. I am using windows now and when I boot ubuntu the broken window manager autoloads and I cant log out
[20:35] <macscam1> Beldar I have no idea how to do anything in openbox
[20:35] <ratskinmahoney> mascam1: i think openbox has a right-click menu. right-click on the desktop to get a menu
[20:35] <Beldar> exactly
[20:36] <macscam1> no it doesnt
[20:36] <ratskinmahoney> oh, sorry
[20:36] <macscam1> not for me anyway
[20:36] <macscam1> its alright, im gonna try advanced boot options
[20:37] <Beldar> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2010-04-24-133031_1280x800_scrot.png
[20:37] <MonkeyDust> macscam1  ctrl alt del or ctrl alt backspace maybe
[20:38] <Beldar> macscam1, Use the recovery option in grub, and at the gui just choose continue boot, it will take you to the login.
[20:38] <Beldar> like a math problem, there are multiple way do do this.
[20:38] <Beldar> to*
[20:44] <BananaManLinux> i have removed ubuntu and gone back to windows, how can i remove ubuntu from my bios?
[20:44] <elianny> Nooo hay nadiie en esta mierda que hable ESPAÑOL[['
[20:44] <GladiaTeur> hi all can someone help me to resolve this problem when installing neostats
[20:44] <thomedy> im excited im writing my first custom cms
[20:45] <thomedy> on  my own
[20:45] <GladiaTeur> https://dpaste.de/HS3w
[20:45] <thomedy> its a bit rough but i need it because drupal doesn't ajax to front page every content all that well
[20:45] <Locke2002> !es elianny
[20:45] <thomedy>  and i need it for htis sit
[20:45] <thomedy> so im star trekin it
[20:45] <thomedy> going boldly where ihave not gone before
[20:45] <Locke2002> elianny: Necesitas ir a #ubuntu-es
[20:45] <elianny> Quee coosa?
[20:46] <elianny> Soon maricos o quee? VIEJA
[20:47] <Locke2002> La gente en la canal #ubuntu-es hablan espanol
[20:47] <elianny> Ahhh y que canal es este?
[20:47] <Locke2002> escriba /join #ubuntu-es
[20:47] <elianny> En donde escribo eso?!
[20:47] <MonkeyDust> !es
[20:48] <elianny> Graacias! Friends
[20:49] <greebo52> upgraded 13.10 to 14.04 lost virtual consoles. how to enable?
[20:51] <MonkeyDust> greebo52  you mean gnome-terminal?
[20:52] <greebo52> no the fnctrl-alt-fn[1-6] consoles
[20:53] <xenolyse> Can I in one way or another change the animation speed for the "spread windows" feature?
[20:54] <MonkeyDust> xenolyse  !ccsm can do a lot
[20:56] <xenolyse> MonkeyDust: Ye, but where can I find the setting?
[20:57] <MonkeyDust> xenolyse  explore the application a bit, it's the best way to learn what's where
[20:59] <xenolyse> MonkeyDust: I've already looked through ccsm but I can't find anything. That is why I'm asking for help here. If there is anyone who knows on how to change the animation speed of "spread windows" feature.
[21:00] <OerHeks> xenolyse, there is none in unity-tweak, i just checked.
[21:00] <xenolyse> OerHeks: Damn! Okay, thanks.
[21:01] <OerHeks> xenolyse, you need to fiddle around with dconf > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2204321
[21:01] <Geo> Jordan_U, sorry, had to step away
[21:02] <Geo> Yes, same UUID
[21:02] <xenolyse> OerHeks: Thanks! Will check it out and se if I can solve this problem.
[21:02] <Balzy> hello!
[21:02] <Geo> give me a moment, need to get the bootscript loaded again
[21:02] <Balzy> I was wondering if it possible with linux to reserve a given port (ie 6600) to a particular user
[21:03] <Balzy> so that others cannot "steal" it
[21:05] <Patricia18>  Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.ly/1gAh6Jy
[21:05] <OerHeks> carefull with bit.ly !
[21:05] <hamiltont> Where can I find a list of boot parameters for netcfg? I'd like to show network info if DHCP succeeds
[21:06] <smiremd_phone> ^ that particular link is porn spam
[21:06] <IdleOne> indeed.
[21:07] <Balzy> smiremd_phone never open a link spammed on IRC ;)
[21:10] <elianny> #ubuntu
[21:10] <greebo52> 13.10 upgraded to 14.04, ctrl-alt-fn[1-6] doesn't switch to a virtual terminal. not even a blank screen
[21:11] <k1l> greebo52: fn1 or f1 ?
[21:11] <mzaza> Why are rmvb files audio always out of sync in Ubuntu?
[21:11] <greebo52> function keys 1 thru 6. worked in previous release
[21:14] <eoeo> bekks are you there???
[21:14] <smiremd_phone> greebo52: ctrl+alt+f1 works for my Trusty. It looks like your upgrade process experienced an issue.
[21:15] <Geo> Jordan_U: if you're still around, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7485602/
[21:16] <greebo52> smiremd_phone: any suggestion for restoring without losing all of my data?
[21:17] <Geo> ha, i found it
[21:17] <Beldar> greebo52, This the unity desktop?
[21:17] <greebo52> yes
[21:17] <Jordan_U> Geo: Ahh. *Now* is the time for "sudo update-grub".
[21:17] <smiremd_phone> greebo52: install alongside then copy data? bigger question is why you have no backup
[21:17] <Beldar> greebo52, A full upgrade no errors?
[21:18] <reduce> the openssl version on my newly created ubuntu do droplet is 'OpenSSL 1.0.1f 6 Jan 2014
[21:18]  * greebo52 has backup, just doesn't want to go back to 13.10 and start over
[21:18]  * L0uk3 
[21:18] <reduce> i ran apt-get update and upgrade but it hasnt changed
[21:18] <greebo52> no errors were reported
[21:19] <reduce> is this version patched for heartbleed?
[21:19] <eoeo> I have some errors in dmesg
[21:19] <Beldar> greebo52, Have you tried a sudo apt-get -f install to be sure and rebooted more than once?
[21:19] <eoeo> could someone help me???
[21:19] <Beldar> eoeo, State the issue for help.
[21:20] <eoeo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7484864/
[21:20] <eoeo> this is the dmesg output
[21:20] <greebo52> Beldar: just  a sudo apt-get -f install with no other arguments?
[21:20] <eoeo> it have some acpi warnings and errors
[21:20] <Beldar> greebo52, yep
[21:20]  * greebo52 will give it a try
[21:21] <greebo52> thx
[21:21] <Beldar> eoeo, tell us why we are looking at this.
[21:21] <k1l> reduce: which version exactly lists apt-cache show openssl ?
[21:21] <eoeo> Beldar, because I have some warnings and errors in ACPI
[21:22] <eoeo> and bekks said me that I must upgrade the bios to the new version to solve the problem
[21:22] <eoeo> but this haven't solve it
[21:23] <reduce> k1l: Version: 1.0.1f-1ubuntu2.1
[21:23] <k1l> reduce: that is fine
[21:24] <k1l> reduce: see http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/o/openssl/openssl_1.0.1f-1ubuntu2.1/changelog
[21:24] <Beldar> eoeo, Out of my area other than some good foo on the net which brings up lots.
[21:25] <Beldar> eoeo, This 14.04?
[21:26] <eoeo> Beldar: yes
[21:26] <gunarm_> how can I tell if my pc's wifi hardware supports 5ghz and/or wpa2?
[21:26] <daftykins> gunarm_: looking it up online
[21:26] <Beldar> eoeo, here where I would start while waiting, more distinct foo might help.  https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=14.04+warnings+and+errors+in+ACPI&gbv=1&sei=miR5U-CoOM7zoAS4tIGgBQ
[21:27] <CyberWolf> hey guys could use a hand if you got a moment
[21:27] <Beldar> !ask > CyberWolf
[21:27] <Bashing-om> Geo: I have also been following, pass to the channel how you resolved your raid/boot situation, please.
[21:30] <CyberWolf> ok haha um I just installed Ubuntu 10.10 from an old DV and trying to upgrade. It continues to tell me it failed to fetch and to check my connection. Im here right now on the same computer so something is wrong with my connection to the server. Any suggestions on how to fix this?
[21:31] <Beldar> CyberWolf, way far end of life download a supported.
[21:31] <Flannel> CyberWolf: You need to switch the repositories to old-releases.ubuntu.com because 10.10, 11.04, 11.10, etc are all EOL.  You realise you're going to have to upgrade quite a bit?  It's almost certainly less effort (and bandwidth) to simply download a new ISO and reinstall
[21:31] <matheus_> coé
[21:32] <eoeo> Beldar, another problem that I have is that my system shows me 3 hdmi sound outputs, and I only have one. And when I connect it to a tv, the sounds heards fast!
[21:32] <eoeo> Beldar: do you know sth about that?
[21:32] <Beldar> eoeo, Ah, no idea, don;t assume anyone has answersw. ;)
[21:32] <alan_smith> hello guys, for some reason saned doesn't work... i'm following this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/sane.d%20tutorial but when i try to start saned, i get no error but the thing doesn't run
[21:32] <Beldar> answers*
[21:32] <alan_smith> any ideas?
[21:36] <Guest91831> f
[21:37] <Guest91831> xdcc send
[21:39] <Ugb3> Hey, as it seems my HD4550 is dog poop i'm going to buy a new card, do any of you have a good recommendation for a cheap fanless card for htpc, with nice driver support ?
[21:41] <_Trullo> intel nuc
[21:42] <Ugb3> i meant a graphic card.
[21:42] <Beldar> Ugb3, No polling here, and that description is not needed.
[21:42] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: Indeed since 12.04.1 there is no support from AMD for the graphics card, is there a reason the Open Source driver fails you ?
[21:43] <Ugb3> Beldar: Sorry didn't want to be offesive.
[21:43] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: It fails me without any reason, i'v spent hours on this same chanel to try to make it works, but it won't for some reason.
[21:44] <bah_> I looking for a vim/nano replacement for editing files in the terminal, been able to find some written in ruby but are not able to get them installed
[21:44] <bah_> do anybody know some alternative editors ?
[21:45] <OerHeks> emacs
[21:45] <OerHeks> !editor
[21:45] <OerHeks> !ide
[21:45] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: There is no "supported" means to enable a "FGLRX" driver. The suggested thing is to remove all the proprietary stuff, and install the Opens ource driver, tried that ?
[21:46] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: Tried a fresh install :/
[21:46] <bah_> find nano to be to simple and vim to complicated for simple tasks,
[21:46] <OerHeks> Ugb3, you might have better luck with Nvidia
[21:46] <pvl1> samba seems to have installed improperly: http://pastebin.com/7V8HBgDk
[21:47] <bah_> something like this https://github.com/grosser/ruco
[21:47] <OerHeks> bah_, too simple/complicated sounds like an invalid argument.
[21:48] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: Whow, that is drastic action . What is the graphics situation presently ? pastebinit -> lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 vga , sudo lshw -C display <- To see your graphics card and info .
[21:48] <Jordan_U> bah_: Have you tried running "vimtutor" to learn vim?
[21:48] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: That was just a new install, i used to be using fedora on this machine.
[21:48] <bah_> OerHeks, yes that is true,,
[21:49] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: Im currently re-instaling ubuntu right now, wait a minute.
[21:49] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: Yeah, but what is loaded for the graphics driver ( if anything ) ??
[21:49] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: Is there a way to check that during installation ?
[21:49] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: R, do not check "install 3rd party software".
[21:50] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: ok I didnt.
[21:50] <borbit> It is possible to click one of those orange links to install a application from the Ubuntu software store. However from firefox you have to select what application to use. How do set this up? There is no softwarestore in /bin that I can easily find. Also this seems to be aimed at the beginning ubuntu and/ or linux user. So it would be nice if it worked out of the box. Maybe it did but broke after updating firefox?
[21:50] <alan_smith> any way to get saned working?
[21:50] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: That I expect woll install/load the Open Source graphics driver .
[21:51] <Bashing-om> *woll/wull
[21:51] <bah_> Jordan_U, yes I really try to learn VIM and I know a lot of people love the editor. I am just not good enough  typing to be able to be productive using vim, for the moment I use Gedit for most tasks and then nano for just editing a file.
[21:51] <Bashing-om> *woll/will**
[21:51] <MasterOfDisaster> alan_smith: some log messages might help. Just stating that it doesn't work and waiting for a miracle won't quite cut it.
[21:51] <Beldar> borbit, Can you restate the firefox issue what are you trying to do?
[21:52] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: lol something wrong with you keyboard/fingers ?
[21:52] <OerHeks> borbit,  /usr/bin/software-center
[21:52] <alan_smith> MasterOfDisaster: when i try to start the service, i don't get any error whatsoever
[21:52] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: Demanding cat in my lap. ( yeah I get fat fingered besides !).
[21:52] <MasterOfDisaster> alan_smith: have a peek in /var/log
[21:53] <bah_> should really want a terminal editor that supported all the common key shortcut
[21:53] <MasterOfDisaster> alan_smith: sudo grep -rHin sane /var/log
[21:53] <Beldar> Bashing-om, My cat weighs 20lb, he is gigantic, limited lap use. ;)
[21:54] <borbit> Dankjewel OerHeks! Is it useful to file a bug report for this?
[21:54] <alan_smith> MasterOfDisaster: lots of line appears, is there a easy way to dump that in a text file?
[21:54] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: I also have a 120 lb Bassett hound, still wants to be a lap dog !
[21:54] <Ugb3> Beldar: mine are small, sometime I get two on my lap and 1 on my desk.
[21:54] <Beldar> heh
[21:54] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: ahaha
[21:54] <bah_> also find this http://diakonos.pist0s.ca/  but it seems to be a lot of buggs
[21:55] <suudy> I'm working on porting plymouth to a customized ubuntu distro (based on 12.04).  I'm having trouble getting the Image.Text() to render while in the initramfs.  It works fine when plymouth is used after the switch to the rootfs.
[21:55] <MasterOfDisaster> alan_smith: append ' | tee out.log'
[21:55] <randolph_plus> test
[21:55] <suudy> Also, the '--debug --debug-file=<path to file>' doesn't seem to produce anything in the initramfs.
[21:55] <MasterOfDisaster> alan_smith: the package 'pastebinit' allows you to put output directly on a pastebin service
[21:56] <Beldar> suudy, Really, not enough derivatives already; amongst the 100's of linux OS?
[21:56] <suudy> It's an internal distro, not for general consumption.
[21:56] <suudy> It's for an embedded system.
[21:57] <Ugb3> Yeah if linux people were just a lil more united we would have a genius top os.
[21:58] <alan_smith> here are the relevant lines (imho) http://paste.ubuntu.com/7485773/, full: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7485778/
[21:58] <suudy> Besides, my question wasn't about whether or not our distro was useful, but how to get plymouth to work.
[21:58] <bah_> ubottu, you don't know any more except the ones you mentioned ?  ( nano, vi/vim, emacs, ed)
[21:58] <MasterOfDisaster> bah_: every piece of software needs getting used to. If you want to become familiar with an editor that's available in virtually any linux/modern unix, stick to vi(m).
[22:00] <MasterOfDisaster> alan_smith: fscked up your /etc/hosts.allow /etc/hosts.deny?
[22:00] <Beldar> suudy, Heh, yes it was, and not a official release as of now, technically not supported.
[22:00] <bah_> MasterOfDisaster, still for just fast editing I don't find vim to be a good option, you hit one wrong key and it take you 2 minutes to exit or wors you did something with your buffer
[22:01] <alan_smith> MasterOfDisaster: nope, never messed with those files, i'm not running a web server or stuff like that
[22:01] <suudy> Beldar, Eh?  Are you saying that since plymouth does not have an official release, there's no support for it except within the context of an official Ubuntu release?
[22:01] <alan_smith> i mean, it seems cups has an internal http server, but other than that nope
[22:01] <suudy> If even that?
[22:02] <smiremd_phone> suudy: maybe try #ubuntu-dev?
[22:02] <alan_smith> MasterOfDisaster: and those files are blank (only commented lines)
[22:03] <MasterOfDisaster> bah_: well... just to emphasize - if you want something that's available almost everywhere without installing extra stuff, including embedded hardware, stick with vi/vim. If you don't want to adjust too much from windows, have a look at mc and/or nano
[22:03] <potato1> hey
[22:03] <potato1> im fag
[22:04] <potato1> exit
[22:04] <Ugb3> nano rules.
[22:04] <Locke2002> Is there anything like nano that can reload from disk?
[22:04] <diverdude> when doing e.g. find . -type f -exec grep "foobar" {} +     what does the {} + do?
[22:04] <MasterOfDisaster> alan_smith: try killing all saned instances before trying again: sudo service saned stop ; sudo killall saned
[22:04] <nvt> isn't it for solaris diverdude
[22:05] <diverdude> nvt: no, goes on ubuntu
[22:05] <MasterOfDisaster> diverdude: it's where find will insert the filename.
[22:05] <nvt> in some old shell
[22:05] <suudy> smiremd_phone: Thanks for the pointer.  I'll ask there.
[22:05] <MasterOfDisaster> diverdude: a placeholder
[22:05] <MasterOfDisaster> diverdude: see man find for more information.
[22:06] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: Ok so i have reinstaled ubuntu
[22:06] <diverdude> MasterOfDisaster: ahh ok, and the +?
[22:07] <alan_smith> MasterOfDisaster: no deal :( http://paste.ubuntu.com/7485798/
[22:07] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: i'm installing ssh, as with 4 fps i can't even type.
[22:07] <MasterOfDisaster> diverdude: line ending I guess. I usually write it like this: find -exec grep -Hin foo {} \;
[22:08] <MasterOfDisaster> alan_smith: anything changing in the logs?
[22:09] <MasterOfDisaster> alan_smith: what does 'sudo netstat -panet' say?
[22:09] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: I do not have the experience with ssh to advise, are you where you can get to the box phycically ?
[22:10] <Ugb3> Yeah Bashing-om, but ssh is just like a terminal but remotly
[22:10] <Ugb3> "pastebinit -> lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 vga" seems to get stuck.
[22:11] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: True, but still have to jump through some Xserver hoops to do ssh.
[22:11] <Ugb3> Ok Bashing-om I have a terminal windows opened if needed.
[22:12] <alan_smith> MasterOfDisaster: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7485812/ - http://paste.ubuntu.com/7485816/ NOTE: /etc/default/saned is correct
[22:12] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: "lspci" takes a bit to look at all the hardware. give it a bit of time.
[22:13] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: I think that's the pastebin thingy that crashes.
[22:13] <Ugb3> I did it manualy : http://paste.ubuntu.com/7485819/
[22:13] <alan_smith> MasterOfDisaster: here is the /etc/default/saned: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7485820/
[22:14] <Ugb3> that was a net split.
[22:14] <MasterOfDisaster> alan_smith: hm... share its config files.
[22:14] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: duno if you got it, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7485819/
[22:15] <Ugb3> I think I have an idea, removing nomodeset and adding radeon.audio=0
[22:16] <MasterOfDisaster> alan_smith: host's name resolution is working alright? hostname --fqdn and dnsdomainname return something sane? /etc/hosts ok?
[22:17] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: was checking the syntax on 'lspci' commnad. look'n now at 7485819/.
[22:17] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: I don't get what you wrote
[22:18] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: My fix seems to work
[22:18] <archpc> guys I have a weird issue with my install of 14.04... there is a random 1kb volume drive/partition and I have no clue what it's there for or why
[22:18] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: It seems to work now, but I won't have any audio over HDMI.
[22:19] <alan_smith> MasterOfDisaster: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7485829/ - http://paste.ubuntu.com/7485834/ - http://paste.ubuntu.com/7485841/
[22:19] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: Odd that the "nomodeset" boot parameter is required.. the card is recognized per the 'lspci' output. What syas the 'lshw" commnad.
[22:20] <Bashing-om> ug
[22:20] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: It seems i have to choose : nomodeset, or radeon.audio=0
[22:20] <alan_smith> MasterOfDisaster: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7485842/
[22:21] <duckchat> anyone run dual monitors?
[22:22] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: Not good ! .. as the llvmpipe driver is loaded rather then the open source GUI driver... hummm .
[22:22] <archpc> here's my lsblk http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=6hAsLpyf
[22:22] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: are you sure ?
[22:23] <MasterOfDisaster> alan_smith: um... why use xinetd?
[22:23] <alan_smith> MasterOfDisaster: isn't it necessary?
[22:25] <alan_smith> i think i need either inetd ot xinetd
[22:25] <MasterOfDisaster> alan_smith: I'm pretty sure it's not. (x)inetd was designed as a wrapper for access control and for binaries that weren't keen on fork().
[22:25] <Hardcheese> wtf... my machine just .. shut down itself. What could just have happened? Can the logs tell me why my computer just shut down?
[22:26] <alan_smith> MasterOfDisaster: well, I'm going to uninstall it in this case
[22:26] <MasterOfDisaster> Hardcheese: faulty PSU/temperature?
[22:26] <Hardcheese> MasterOfDisaster: it shut down as if I had clicked the menu, it didn't just blanked out, but it shut down the system
[22:27] <Hardcheese> clicked the menu= shut it down normally
[22:27] <MasterOfDisaster> Hardcheese: /var/log/ might give you a clue.
[22:27] <c4rt3r> ok guys my phones broke and i need an alarm for work in the morning and my laptop speakers suck, how can i script beep to sound at a certain time any links
[22:28] <MasterOfDisaster> Hardcheese: running 'last' might be starting point
[22:28] <Hardcheese> MasterOfDisaster: what's showing up there?
[22:29] <WollyWonkeh> I've done this twice now.. While following help from Apache guides I've managed to edit the group of my main user in such a way that it's no longer in the sudoers file. When I search I find what I recall was the solution: "Reboot and at the grub screen choose custom options and force it to shell as root" or something along those lines? Since the cureent sever hates to output video while...
[22:29] <WollyWonkeh> ...booting (Sunfire x4100) I'm worried about this solution/looking for options?
[22:29] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: the setting app tels me Galium 0.4 on AMD RV710 doesn't that mean that i'm using the open source one ?
[22:29] <SchrodingersScat> !info alarm-clock | c4rt3r, you could also look at the 'at' command, and have a terrible webpage open that makes lots of noise,
[22:30] <c4rt3r> thanks SchrodingersScat :D i have 8hrs to sort this out, sleep and awake for work lol i'm off to start
[22:30] <alan_smith> MasterOfDisaster: i've uninstalled it and removed the xinet.d folder, made sure everything is configured as described here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/sane.d%20tutorial and the thing still refuses to work
[22:30] <SchrodingersScat> c4rt3r: also consider getting a wind-up alarm clock
[22:30] <MasterOfDisaster> Hardcheese: shows you when your system thinks it was shut down and when it was booted
[22:31] <c4rt3r> SchrodingersScat: i know right oh how we rely on technology
[22:31] <daftykins> WollyWonkeh: you can also try a live boot and chroot your install
[22:31] <gunarm_> is there any way to scan for 5ghz connections only?
[22:31] <SchrodingersScat> c4rt3r: yeah, alarm-clock likes to crash on me at bad points, physical clock can only crash so many ways
[22:32] <MasterOfDisaster> alan_smith: so what about the logs now? same output?
[22:32] <WollyWonkeh> daftykins: Oh .. yeah I think I can get it to boot from USB CDROM.. Not a bad idea to help avoid the video going to some crazy mode no monitor can support! ;)
[22:32] <daftykins> gunarm_: most dualband APs let you rename the 5GHz SSID so you can tell
[22:33] <daftykins> WollyWonkeh: actually maybe you could just nomodeset boot both
[22:33] <alan_smith> MasterOfDisaster: yep: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7485877/
[22:33] <Ugb3> daftykins: Hey just to let you know i got my 4550 semi working :)
[22:33] <daftykins> WollyWonkeh: i'm guessing that was sarcasm ^_^
[22:33] <daftykins> Ugb3: so it wasn't even using the radeon driver huh?
[22:33] <gunarm_> daftykins, well I have them named seperatly (Tomato24 and Tomato50) and I can only see the 2.4 one, afaik the hardware *should* support 5ghz.  It's an 802.11n adapter
[22:34] <xenolyse> Tips on a Guake like drop down terminal, with lots of settings and good looks?
[22:34] <Hardcheese> thanks MasterOfDisaster
[22:34] <Ugb3> daftykins: I don't have any clue, i can only boot with nomodeset (no acceleration) or with radeon.audio=0 (no sound over HDMI)
[22:34] <gunarm_> other devices see the 5ghz network
[22:34] <daftykins> gunarm_: often the Linux drivers for these things don't offer the full features
[22:34] <WollyWonkeh> daftykins: ? It's a 1U Sun server .. old but cheap and it's configured for 4 hot-swap 2.5" SAS so it has no CD drive? Should I Google "nomodeset boot"?
[22:35] <gunarm_> ah
[22:35] <daftykins> !nomodeset | WollyWonkeh
[22:35] <daftykins> WollyWonkeh: you might be able to apply nomodeset to the recovery mode boot, not sure
[22:36] <creatorb1> hi everyone, can i test mail server on virtual box? i have ubuntu 12.04 on my virtual box now
[22:37] <SchrodingersScat> creatorb1: you can do almost anything you put your mind to.
[22:37] <archpc> except have an army of monkeys... i've tried
[22:37] <WollyWonkeh> daftykins: Ahhh yeah I was told it does the "Unsupported Video Mode" because I opted to allow updates when I was installing Unbuntu? I'm trying to not let things stop me from using the box, it's nice not to use XAMPP and face a more realistic environment but I'll take another swing at the video issue
[22:38] <Beldar> SchrodingersScat, T%hat is about as valid as meritocracy. ;)
[22:38] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: untill "mesa-utils" is installked, can not depend on what the ap relates, the "nomoseset" parameter loads the default backup driver.
[22:38] <gunarm_> whats the opposite to a meritocracy?
[22:39] <Beldar> THe US
[22:39] <Beldar> lol, the world
[22:39] <gunarm_> ;p
[22:39] <Ugb3> guampa: France :(
[22:39] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: I don't get it ?
[22:41] <alan_smith> MasterOfDisaster: i've tried adding the saned user to the saned group as suggested somewhere on the web... still not working
[22:42] <daftykins> alan_smith: after group changes you know you have to logout and login? (at least i think i saw someone say that once)
[22:43] <alan_smith> daftykins: i don't think that's accurate, but in any case i'm going to try logging into another tty
[22:44] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: Try ->sudo apt-get install mesa-utils <- and then see what ya get.
[22:44] <alan_smith> no go :)
[22:45] <lduros> I'm trying to run a command (supervisorctl stop [something]) from an rc0.d/ K01 script, but the commands seem to have no effect. When I run the script directly, it works. Any way I can troubleshoot/fix this? Should I use exec or something? Is it because there's no TTY (just a wild guess)
[22:45] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: OH! nother thing, after the install you did run -> sudo apt-get update , sudo apt-get upgrade <- , yes ?
[22:46] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: Yes i did, and i did insyalled mesa-utils
[22:46] <RippSteakface> BLACK mesa utils? Uh oh. Better get Gordon Freeman.
[22:47] <kyshtynbai> Hi guys! How can I find out dimensions of an image from console?
[22:47] <daftykins> RippSteakface: you're needed. in the *test* chamber.
[22:47] <RippSteakface> heh
[22:48] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: What results now if ya do a cold boot ?
[22:48] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: Now that I removed nomodeset and added radeon.audio=0 it boots well.
[22:49] <Ugb3> DO you want me to put nomodeset back ?
[22:49] <waressearcher2> sup
[22:49] <waressearcher2> Flannel: sup
[22:49] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: I had hoped it booted to the login with out any added boot parameter.
[22:50] <Ugb3> without any nomodeset or radeon.audio i just get a black screen.
[22:50] <jak2001> hi all why i acces to my servr with user: jak  and password but when try acces with putty on my windows laptop cant? access deneied? how to fix it? thanks
[22:50] <waressearcher2> jak2001: what is password ?
[22:51] <Ugb3> jak2001: did you install openssh-server ?
[22:51] <Beldar> waressearcher2, Common this is support.
[22:51] <TTYRE74> help
[22:51] <waressearcher2> Beldar: I'm trying to help
[22:52] <waressearcher2> jak2001: I can try to log in and if it works for me than PEBKAS
[22:52] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: Sorry to say, I am out of ideas. Perhaps others with greater experience can advise.
[22:52] <jak2001> Ugb3 i think yes, but how to check?
[22:52] <Beldar> waressearcher2, You started off with banal hello's and now you ask what is a password, that is hardly help and looks like trolling.
[22:53] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: no problem, thanks for your help anyway. I think I'm just going to buy a new card...
[22:53] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: Cause i need both acceleration and audio over hdmi :/
[22:53] <daftykins> jak2001: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[22:54] <waressearcher2> jak2001: I suppose you weren't on that planet before 2001 year ?
[22:55] <daftykins> waressearcher2: that is off topic, please leave.
[22:55] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: Well that is one solution. I am dissapointed the Open Source driver is not cutting it.
[22:55] <k1l> waressearcher2: please focus on technical ubuntu support in here. thanks
[22:55] <jak2001> Ugb3 openssh-server is alerady the newest version.
[22:57] <Beldar> TTYRE74, Help is generated by you stating the issues.
[22:57] <daftykins> jak2001: what are you entering into PuTTY to connect to that system? a name or an IP address?
[22:58] <TTYRE74> ok
[22:58] <jak2001> ip adress, ask me the login
[22:58] <k1l> jak2001: do you give the right user to putty to connect to the server?
[22:59] <alan_smith> MasterOfDisaster: it works after a restart!
[22:59] <alan_smith> MasterOfDisaster: thank you very much for your help!
[22:59] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: without nomodeset it will use proprietary drivers ?
[23:00] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: "nomodeset" disables Kernel Mode Setting, so the default "system (grub)" driver is loaded.
[23:01] <Ugb3> So i'm currently using which driver ?
[23:01] <jak2001> k1l yes, and password too, same as my user/password on my server.
[23:01] <jak2001> in my server phisicallyi can connect.
[23:01] <sl33k_> Your recommended software for reading .djvu files?
[23:01] <waressearcher2> sl33k_: djvulibre ?
[23:02] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: So now that i removed nomodeseting it should be using the open drivers right ?
[23:02] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: Depends on the realese you are running, the default - I think - as of 13.04 was 'llvmpipe" .
[23:02] <daftykins> Ugb3: if you SSH'd in you could pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log to find out, if it's even getting as far as trying to start X
[23:03] <Jordan_U> Ugb3: How did you discover that radeon.audio=0 allowed you to use X?
[23:03] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: Long story short, it is the only way i could boot fedora with kernel 3.12 +
[23:03] <jak2001> k1l, Ugb3 any advice?
[23:03] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: Removing "nomodeset", yes I would thing it would load Open Source - > sudo lshw -C display <- to see what is loaded.
[23:03] <k1l> jak2001: see the server log why its refusing
[23:04] <sl33k_> Does encryption of drive ensures that my other partitions not viewable in file manager?
[23:04] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: Ok trying
[23:04] <Jordan_U> Ugb3: Have you filed a bug report about this? The fact that you've been able to narrow down the problem (from the whole of the ati driver to just HDMI audio out) means that there is a greater likelyhood of quick resolution.
[23:05] <Beldar> sl33k_, https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=.djvu+ubuntu&btnG=&gbv=1&sei=hjx5U9SqJJfroASb_IGYDw
[23:05] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: I did on fedora bug thing but they didn't seem to give a damn.
[23:05] <Jordan_U> Ugb3: Please watch your language and don't denegrate others. Could you please link to the bug report?
[23:06] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: Sorry i didn't mean to.
[23:06] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: Those cards are still very popular, and still being sold. We need all the help here we can get.
[23:07] <sl33k_> Beldar: Document Viewer opened them to my surprise
[23:07] <Jordan_U> sl33k_: I don't understand the question. Could you try asking again, but giving concrete examples of your situation?
[23:07] <WollyWonkeh>  So I got the Sunfire to boot from USB CDROM and the 12.5 LTS Server CD has no "Try" option.. no "Boot from CD" .. just "Boot from first hard disk" and "Rescue a broken system"  .. I did the F6 'nomodeset' option first and then tried the 'Rescue' option and it seems totally hung/frozen
[23:07] <jrib> WollyWonkeh: server cd doesn't have a "try" option, correct.  Also, there is no such thing as "12.5"
[23:07] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1072929
[23:07] <daftykins> WollyWonkeh: you need desktop.
[23:08] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: Really ? People keep telling me i should buy a new one.
[23:08] <jak2001> k1l, tail -f /var/log/syslog  not show anything.
[23:09] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: The problem being is that when AMD bouhgt out ATI, AMD dropped support for the 2X/3X/4X series of cards .
[23:09] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: Yeah I know that :(
[23:09] <Geo> Jordan_U: I believe I am now 100%
[23:10] <Geo> thank you again for all you help
[23:10] <Geo> *your
[23:10] <k1l> jak2001: /var/log/auth.log
[23:10] <Jordan_U> Geo: You're welcome.
[23:10] <sl33k_> Jordan_U: When I made a fresh reinstall to just ubuntu(no dual boot and windows), my previous partitions and drives from dual boot are not visible. I also chose encryption while installing. So I am wondering if I need any password to view those partitions. Because I just have one (called by default as File System)
[23:10] <Jordan_U> Ugb3: Did HDMI audio work with previous kernels?
[23:10] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: " configuration: driver=radeon latency=0" I guess i'm using the open driver ?
[23:11] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: Yeah it did.
[23:11] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: Yepper , radeon = Open Source .
[23:12] <Ugb3> Bashing-om: It maybe be a nice thing for other people if instead of putting nomodeset in grub, ubuntu would try to add radeon.audio=0 for these cards.
[23:12] <Ugb3> If no fix is found.
[23:12] <Jordan_U> Ugb3: Ubuntu never added nomodeset to your kernel parameters.
[23:13] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: then who did ?
[23:13] <Jordan_U> Ugb3: You.
[23:13] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: nope
[23:13] <daftykins> nomodeset doesn't get added by default
[23:13] <Ugb3> Ah, i had to use nomodeset to book the live cd, it may come from there ?
[23:13] <Ugb3> boot*
[23:13] <daftykins> Ugb3: you know it's a totally crazy idea not without risk, but have you considered updating your card's BIOS? from the manufacturer there may be an update
[23:13] <Jordan_U> Ugb3: We went over this last time, and you agreed that you added it when you booted the installer (but didn't realize that such additions are copied over to the install).
[23:14] <daftykins> heh
[23:14] <Ugb3> my bad guys
[23:14] <Ugb3> daftykins: My card is updated afaik.
[23:14] <Jordan_U> sl33k_: I'm a little confused still, because normally when people say they installed Ubuntu with "no dual boot and Windows" or similar they mean that they told Ubuntu's installer to delete all existing partitions and replace them. In which case you would of course not be able to access the old partitions, as they are gone.
[23:16] <Jordan_U> Ugb3: Since you've narrowed down the problem additionally to a small range of kernel versions, you can bisect those versions until you find the (hopefully single) commit that caused the issue. At which point that commit can either be reverted, or at very least we'll know exactly what change cause the problem and can hopefully fix it properly.
[23:16] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: I'm not sure i'm savvy enough for that :/
[23:16] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: I just know it worked well until kernel 3.13 came out.
[23:17] <purana> I noticed on my Ubunu 14.04 LTS install that insserv is not installed by default, when I did install it, I cannot remove it due to other dependancies that enforce it to remain.. I also noticed post install the insserv binary is not in any user execution paths.
[23:17] <purana> packaging bug?
[23:18] <purana> apt-file list insserv shows /usr/lib/insserv/insserv (not sure why they put the binary here)
[23:18] <sl33k_> Jordan_U: ok I am clear now. Now is there any backup for partition thing?
[23:18] <Jordan_U> sl33k_: I don't understand your question.
[23:19] <jak2001> ahh i think so what is the problem: User jak not allowed because shell /bin/ftp is not executable, how to fix it? thankschange to /bin/shell ?
[23:20] <Jordan_U> Ugb3: OK, let's start by installing a 3.12 kernel and seeing if it works then. http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.12.20-trusty/
[23:20] <jak2001> k1l thanks
[23:20] <sl33k_> Jordan_U: How do you deal with creating partitions on reinstalls? I am assuming I will need gparted for creating new partitions?
[23:22] <Jordan_U> sl33k_: Please explain what your end goal is. What partitions do you want to end up with, and why?
[23:22] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: ok im rebooting it.
[23:23] <sl33k_> Jordan_U: I want to store some downloads in a separate place, for that I need a partition.
[23:23] <stef1a> i'm on ubuntu 14.04 and am trying to change my keyboard shortcuts / hotkeys. is there a file i can change to do this? because doing it from the settings gui isn't working.
[23:23] <Jordan_U> sl33k_: Why do you want a separate partition?
[23:25] <sl33k_> Jordan_U: I want an *additional* partition(if I am understanding partitions correctly) to store some files.
[23:26] <sl33k_> Am I still thinking the Windows way?
[23:26] <sl33k_> Tell me if I am clueless on partitions and I will look it up
[23:26] <daftykins> sl33k_: so make one, format it and mount it to a path your user can write to
[23:27] <waressearcher2> sl33k_: I have 15 partitions on one of my HDD
[23:28] <d1323> waressearcher2, why?
[23:28] <waressearcher2> http://sprunge.us/KGOF
[23:28] <Jordan_U> sl33k_: The question is why you think having an additional partition gives you and advantage over just keeping files in your root filesystem.
[23:28] <sl33k_> reading this https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/powerpc/apcs03.html
[23:29] <waressearcher2> d1323: first I wanted to have many linux installations, and windows, and bsds
[23:29] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: Im currently trying to boot kernel 3.12 we will see.
[23:29] <sl33k_> Jordan_U: Thats why I asked if I am thinking the windows way. Because my other partitions were not lost on reinstall
[23:30] <Beldar> sl33k_, That is a old wiki and not really relevant in several ways especially for a user trying to learn.
[23:30] <Jordan_U> sl33k_: So the advantage you're looking for is that the files won't be lost if you re-install?
[23:30] <sl33k_> Jordan_U: yes
[23:30] <WollyWonkeh> I really wish I had root access.. Certainly far more than I've ever regretted having admin access in Windows. Guess I will have to download the Desktop distro so I can boot from CD and hack my suduoers file..
[23:31] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: Everything is ok with kernel 3.12
[23:32] <Bashing-om> Ugb3: you and Jordan_U Have now put me in a learning mode.
[23:33] <Jordan_U> Ugb3: Great. Now let's see if the bug was added in the initial merge window, or in one of the release candidates. Try http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.13-rc1-trusty/ If you're lucky it will work. If it doesn't work, it just means that we have to get into manually compiling the kernel before we can narrow things down further. (To narrow to a single commit we need to get to compiling either way though).
[23:34] <Flannel> WollyWonkeh: Not immediately useful, but you generally want to use "adduser USER GROUP" instead of "usermod" (because you'll forget the -a when using -G) to add users to groups.
[23:34] <Ugb3> Im sorry Jordan_U But i will have to try tomorow, gf is shouting at my "noise" :/
[23:34] <Ugb3> Tomorow i will try this kernel and i will report back.
[23:35] <Jordan_U> Ugb3: OK.
[23:35] <WollyWonkeh> Flannel: Yeah and just when I thought I'd learned my lesson last time I was diddling with users/groups.. Though this time I didn't stray off the written instructions so it's a bit frustrating.
[23:35] <Flannel> WollyWonkeh: Sometimes you can't trust guides, because sometimes theyre written by morons.  But yeah, adduser is safe, usermod -G and you'll eventually forget the -a and hose your groups.
[23:36] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: So if i understood well, I will try tje rc kernel until i find a non working one, so i can find which commit may be troublesome, and them recompile it without it to see if it works ?
[23:37] <archpc> guys I installed ubuntu in dual boot with win8, there is a random 1kb volume on the dash, it points to /dev/sda3 which is my entire ubuntu install
[23:37] <Jordan_U> Ugb3: You try each RC kernel until you find a non-working one, then you will know that the bug was added between the working and non-working version. From there, you grab the kernel's git tree and git bisect to find the exact commit.
[23:38] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: Okay, will do.
[23:38] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: Thank you so much for your help, Bashing-om and others too.
[23:38] <Jordan_U> Ugb3: You're welcome. Thank you for taking the time to help get this bug fixed :)
[23:40] <Flannel> WollyWonkeh: Also, the server CD should have a "rescue a broken system" option, which will let you fix this without a liveCD.
[23:40] <Flannel> or should.  It used to, I haven't kept completely up on what it does.
[23:42] <WollyWonkeh> Flannel: Yeah I tried that just now and it hung.. like numlock wouldn't toggle on the keyboard even.. Couldn't ctrl+alt+del .. nada. It's such an old crappy server. If it didn't have so much redundancy I'd recycle it. :)
[23:42] <WollyWonkeh> Heck.. An older distro sounds good.. Should look at what was stable around the time these were popular. Hahaha.
[23:43] <Beldar> archpc, Partitions will show in the panel.
[23:44] <Beldar> in the dash menu with the right search as well
[23:47] <doomlord_> any idea how to enable the launching of graphical applications from another machine over ssh
[23:49] <daftykins> doomlord_: you're ssh'ing with -X already?
[23:49] <doomlord_> i'd never done that on linux, but was just surprised to discover it works on the mac (eg sshing into a macbook, i can launch gl apps)
[23:50] <doomlord_> "sshing with X", i doubt it
[23:50] <daftykins> ssh -X user@host
[23:50] <doomlord_> thanks
[23:51] <doomlord_> argh, from mac -> linux, same result, but let me try from linux->linux
[23:51] <daftykins> and what *is* this result?
[23:52] <doomlord_> "failed to open display ''"
[23:52] <doomlord_> that works
[23:55] <doomlord_> in my experiment i SSH'd from the same machine to itself; however i verified that it didn't allow launching gl apps without -X
[23:55] <doomlord_> any idea what could be different going from mac -> linux