| pitti | Good morning | 05:38 |
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| Sweet5hark | Moin! | 06:48 |
| didrocks | hey Sweet5hark! | 07:02 |
| Sweet5hark | didrocks: heya. ;) | 07:02 |
| didrocks | how are you? ready for Malta? | 07:03 |
| Sweet5hark | didrocks: all prepared and ready to go ;) -- are you already there? | 07:04 |
| didrocks | Sweet5hark: no, only coming the second week as well | 07:04 |
| didrocks | so no week-end on the sand! | 07:04 |
| Sweet5hark | didrocks: oh, one thing is still missing: some slides for my idea on how to make all Ubuntu an image for the win. ;) | 07:05 |
| didrocks | Sweet5hark: I'm finishing some juju investigation (hopefully today, maybe a little tomorrow), and then, I'll write some slides on what I think we should do to make ubuntu the rocking android and cloud dev platform! | 07:06 |
| * didrocks likes and is excited about the topic! :) | 07:06 | |
| RAOF | Sweet5hark: Oooh, you're the system-image dudeikins? | 07:07 |
| didrocks | hey RAOF! you will be in Malta next week as well, right? | 07:09 |
| RAOF | Yes indeedy! | 07:09 |
| didrocks | will be nice to see you! :) | 07:10 |
| Sweet5hark | RAOF: well, "system image" sounds wrong to me as I wouldnt make a separation between "system" and "other" ;) | 07:10 |
| RAOF | didrocks: Likewise! | 07:10 |
| RAOF | Sweet5hark: Well, I do need to keep some non-image data around, too :) | 07:11 |
| didrocks | who needs those :) | 07:11 |
| didrocks | you just need a login and password | 07:11 |
| didrocks | and everything will be in the cloud :p | 07:11 |
| RAOF | Still needs the cloud configuration! :P | 07:12 |
| didrocks | oh my! ;-) | 07:12 |
| Sweet5hark | RAOF: sure, separating data out -- but I would separate between e.g. "base system" and "applications". | 07:12 |
| Sweet5hark | s/would/wouldnt/ | 07:13 |
| Sweet5hark | gah | 07:13 |
| * Sweet5hark graps caffeine ... | 07:13 | |
| * RAOF is not sure how that would work, but will be excited to find out! | 07:13 | |
| Sweet5hark | didrocks: FWIW I think I have a build fixing bug 1296715 and bug 1219245 on trusty, so its likely SRU time soon ... | 07:15 |
| ubot5 | bug 1296715 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Menu items are greyed out in Libreoffice menu." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1296715 | 07:15 |
| ubot5 | bug 1219245 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in ImplDevFontListData::~ImplDevFontListData()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1219245 | 07:15 |
| didrocks | I guess that's for RAOF? I'm happily not on the SRU team :p | 07:16 |
| * didrocks should drop his MIR duty as well | 07:17 | |
| Sweet5hark | didrocks: 'soon' means likely around next week for LibreOffice ;) -- there is an upstream point release update in the mix too, and there was upstream work on -kde integration, which was why I dropped a revert on the broken -kde state. Unfortuneately, with the point release the upstream state is still worse for -kde than with the revert ... | 07:20 |
| didrocks | Sweet5hark: ahah, I did remember having some "fun" for the cycle I maintained OOo at the time with the -kde part :) | 07:21 |
| didrocks | do you know if people using the -kde flavor or just use bare LibreOffice, even on KDE? | 07:21 |
| * Sweet5hark mumbles "kill it with fire" ... | 07:22 | |
| didrocks | oh, it's in that great state? :) | 07:22 |
| Sweet5hark | didrocks: people on kde use the kde plugin, not the bare libreoffice one (which would have a Windows 95 feel on pure X11) | 07:23 |
| Sweet5hark | didrocks: they _could_ use the -gtk plugin on kde though and it would look decent. | 07:23 |
| didrocks | Sweet5hark: and the -gtk -> -qt theming doesn't make it look even more kdeish? | 07:24 |
| didrocks | IIRC, they have quite a good support for gtk apps under kde look&feel | 07:25 |
| Sweet5hark | didrocks: anyway, there are two people with kde-knowhow doing work on it upstream now (jmux from Munich and llunak from Collabora), so this should improve -- but unlikely to do so much for libreoffice 4.2 | 07:25 |
| didrocks | yeah… | 07:25 |
| Sweet5hark | didrocks: yeah, the look wouldnt be the issue IMHO. But does e.g. kubuntu ship gnome libs? I really dont know ... | 07:26 |
| didrocks | well, glib for sure :) | 07:26 |
| Laney | hallo | 08:02 |
| didrocks | hey Laney! how was your week-end? | 08:02 |
| pitti | hey Laney | 08:02 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks | 08:02 |
| pitti | moin Sweet5hark | 08:02 |
| Laney | hey hey | 08:03 |
| Laney | it was extremely sunny (by my standards anyway) | 08:03 |
| Laney | → milkshakes in the sunshine | 08:03 |
| didrocks | guten morgen pitti! | 08:03 |
| didrocks | Laney: oh nice! :) | 08:03 |
| seb128 | hey Laney didrocks pitti | 08:04 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 08:04 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 | 08:04 |
| Sweet5hark | pitti: heya! | 08:04 |
| pitti | seb128: je vais bien, merci ! nous avons eu un bon week-end | 08:04 |
| Laney | then some climbing, one or two beers and a nice bike ride yesterday including a hill that i was too scared to go down at full speed | 08:04 |
| Laney | what about you (all)? | 08:04 |
| pitti | j'attends avec impatience à vous recontrer vendredi ! | 08:04 |
| Laney | oh also I'm on crappy 3g because my broadband has a fault this morning | 08:04 |
| * Laney lags uot | 08:04 | |
| didrocks | Laney: when to 2 museums this week-end (it was the european night of museum). Was ok, but not that exciting TBH :) | 08:05 |
| seb128 | pitti, pareil ! | 08:07 |
| Laney | didrocks: oh, that's a shame! | 08:10 |
| Laney | I didn't hear about that | 08:10 |
| didrocks | Laney: I saw that some days ago in the newspapers | 08:11 |
| Sweet5hark | seb128: Hey, I think I have fixed bug 1296715! | 08:12 |
| ubot5 | bug 1296715 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Menu items are greyed out in Libreoffice menu." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1296715 | 08:12 |
| seb128 | Sweet5hark, hey, nice! | 08:12 |
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| ogra_ | seb128, do you know if/what could process XDG dirs (like Downloads, Video etc ) on login ? we i have seen it a few times that these dirs are non-existent on a phone boot ... yet they are created at image build time | 09:44 |
| ogra_ | (so i assume something touches them on session start= | 09:45 |
| ogra_ | ) | 09:45 |
| seb128 | ogra_, xdg-user-dirs(-gtk) | 09:45 |
| ogra_ | is that run regardless ? | 09:45 |
| seb128 | regardless ov what? | 09:46 |
| seb128 | http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs/ for details | 09:46 |
| ogra_ | well, we dont really run a standard session start on the phone | 09:46 |
| seb128 | it's an autostart desktop entry | 09:46 |
| ogra_ | right, which we dont process i think | 09:46 |
| seb128 | k | 09:47 |
| seb128 | so maybe some random apps create those | 09:47 |
| ogra_ | (thats why i ask :) ) | 09:47 |
| seb128 | like gallery | 09:47 |
| seb128 | but what you wrote doesn't make sense | 09:47 |
| ogra_ | hmm, but that wouldnt remove all of them | 09:47 |
| seb128 | they are on the image | 09:47 |
| seb128 | but removed at boot? | 09:47 |
| ogra_ | right | 09:47 |
| seb128 | yeah, dunno about that, nothing deletes those dirs | 09:47 |
| Laney | Xsession.d runs xdg-user-dirs-update | 09:47 |
| ogra_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/7487744/ | 09:48 |
| ogra_ | thats what we run during build time | 09:48 |
| ogra_ | and usually people still have these dirs | 09:48 |
| ogra_ | but sometimes i get reports where they are gone | 09:48 |
| ogra_ | with the same image where they exist for others | 09:48 |
| ogra_ | so some race removes them i guess ... | 09:49 |
| seb128 | gone or renamed? | 09:49 |
| seb128 | xdg-user-dirs-update is supposed to rename those to their localized version | 09:49 |
| ogra_ | gone | 09:49 |
| seb128 | but it does prompt through a GTK UI iirc | 09:49 |
| seb128 | so I would expect that to fail/do nothing on the phone | 09:49 |
| ogra_ | right for the renaming we ship /usr/share/upstart/sessions/xdg-dirs.conf | 09:50 |
| seb128 | k, no idea what is happening htne | 09:50 |
| seb128 | then | 09:50 |
| ogra_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/7487754/ | 09:50 |
| seb128 | is anyone seeing those removed with content? | 09:50 |
| seb128 | like having their photos or music wipped out at some random boot? | 09:51 |
| ogra_ | on first boot | 09:51 |
| ogra_ | so no, no content then | 09:51 |
| seb128 | only on first boot? | 09:51 |
| ogra_ | well, thats usually when people contact me :) | 09:51 |
| seb128 | weird | 09:52 |
| ogra_ | davmor2 is just opening a bug now ... he just saw it | 09:52 |
| seb128 | well, at least we don't have cases of users having their datas erased after a random reboot | 09:52 |
| ogra_ | nope, thats usually after a fresh install | 09:52 |
| ogra_ | at least for now nobody complained to me about removed data :) | 09:52 |
| seb128 | do we have any log showing if those ever existed? | 09:52 |
| seb128 | like are they missing | 09:52 |
| seb128 | or is something deleting them on login? | 09:52 |
| ogra_ | we know that others that flash the same image have them | 09:52 |
| ogra_ | thats what i suspect | 09:53 |
| seb128 | and it's first boot | 09:53 |
| seb128 | like no special tweak | 09:53 |
| ogra_ | right | 09:53 |
| seb128 | so random behaviour | 09:53 |
| seb128 | weird | 09:53 |
| ogra_ | seems to also only be a small fraction of people | 09:53 |
| ogra_ | but i hear about it once every two weeks or so | 09:54 |
| * ogra_ will put it in the heisenbug category for now ... and wait til someone sees it again | 09:55 | |
| ogra_ | i was just hoping you have an immediate idea or some such :) | 09:55 |
| seb128 | yeah, I don't, sorry | 10:01 |
| ogra_ | no worries | 10:02 |
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| Laney | "<arch> build of …" emails are scary | 15:54 |
| Laney | just after doing a distro upload, but the relief when you see it's someone else's upload to a team ppa is nice | 15:54 |
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| didrocks | ahah ;) | 16:07 |
| didrocks | I find the other way around worse | 16:07 |
| didrocks | like you upload some testing stuff to a ppa | 16:08 |
| didrocks | and you see the same source uploaded to the distro around the same time | 16:08 |
| didrocks | and just think "did I dput correctly?" | 16:08 |
| Laney | haha yes | 16:10 |
| Laney | fortunately both are pretty rare :P | 16:10 |
| didrocks | yep ;) | 16:10 |
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| ry | ali1234, nothing that i'm aware of... a week or two ago i attempted to change the volume group name, and even though i updated fstab and i thought everything else relevant it rebooted to initramfs saying it couldn't find the ubuntu--vg-root, but i was able to use the lvm utility within initramfs and simply change the volume group back -- prior to this the system was still asking for my pw on boot though, which is why i was able | 19:06 |
| ry | to change the volume group -- currently it's not asking for the pw and as a result there is nothing to se but a single encrypted sda3 (lvm is within the dmcrypted partition) | 19:06 |
| ali1234 | ah... | 19:06 |
| ali1234 | have you tried putting the vg name back? | 19:06 |
| ry | i changed itback originally, and have not attempted to change it again since | 19:06 |
| ali1234 | hmm | 19:07 |
| ry | that was a good two weeks before this issue | 19:07 |
| ali1234 | perhaps it is something to do with initrds | 19:07 |
| ali1234 | it could be related to the vg stuff | 19:08 |
| ry | what controls the boot process on that level? -- when you have a full disk crypto ubuntu install and it prompts you for a pw during the boot, what prompts you for the pw? (becuse that is what -isn't- happening anymore) | 19:08 |
| ali1234 | but the problem might not have happened until the next kernel update rebuilt the initrds | 19:08 |
| ry | ahh | 19:08 |
| ali1234 | all that stuff is in the initrd afaik | 19:08 |
| ali1234 | which is rebuilt on kernel update from various config files | 19:08 |
| ali1234 | more than that i do not know | 19:08 |
| * ry searches for initrd_for_dummies.pdf | 19:08 | |
| ali1234 | the command is update-initramfs | 19:09 |
| ali1234 | i've never used disk encryption though | 19:09 |
| ali1234 | do yo have multiple kernels installed at the grub menu? try booting an older one if so? | 19:10 |
| ry | i think i just had the one it was using and a *-recovery one | 19:10 |
| ry | i tried all the options | 19:10 |
| ali1234 | that's probably not it then | 19:11 |
| ry | i did try a live cd,and chrooting the sda3 after i decrypted it and then running update-initramfs (based on some reference articles/posts i found) | 19:11 |
| ry | but nothing worked | 19:11 |
| ry | i'm sure at this point it was in large part due to my lack of understanding of initramfs | 19:11 |
| ali1234 | initramfs is a tiny root filesystem with just enough stuff to boot the real system | 19:11 |
| ali1234 | it is the envorinment you are inside when it fails to boot | 19:12 |
| ali1234 | that is all in ram | 19:12 |
| ry | i was unable to do anything useful from it, other than being able to change the lvm volume group in one occasion | 19:12 |
| ry | yeah | 19:12 |
| ali1234 | you should be able to examine some log files at least... like dmesg | 19:12 |
| ry | i guessed that much by the lack of logs and read only filesystem | 19:12 |
| ry | lol | 19:12 |
| ry | shit | 19:12 |
| ry | the one thing i didn't think of was dmesg | 19:13 |
| ry | i looked for logs but couldn't find any under initramfs | 19:13 |
| ali1234 | it should say something about being unable to mount the root partition... | 19:13 |
| ali1234 | try different vts too | 19:13 |
| ali1234 | (alt-f1 to 12) | 19:13 |
| ali1234 | sometimes the log is written directly to the vt, but not the default one | 19:13 |
| ry | well vts? | 19:13 |
| ry | https://www.dropbox.com/s/nr0e0pyh1oh8lyt/2014-05-13%2001.12.16.jpg | 19:14 |
| ry | forgive the focus | 19:14 |
| ry | that is where i was left | 19:14 |
| ali1234 | yeah, press alt-f1, alt-f2, alt-f3 etc up to alt-f12 | 19:14 |
| ali1234 | the real log can be hidden on a different one | 19:14 |
| ry | lol damn | 19:15 |
| * ry makes note | 19:15 | |
| ry | (hopefully that is mentioned in initrd_for_dummies.pdf) | 19:15 |
| ali1234 | oh, did you do anything like install virtualbox or nvidia drivers, or other drivers like that? | 19:17 |
| ali1234 | those will all cause the initrd to be rebuilt | 19:18 |
| ali1234 | i'm pretty sure this is caused by the wrong vg name being stuck somewhere | 19:18 |
| ry | it's very possible that is what happened... i'm using the latest nvidia drivers for the nvs5400m w/ bumblebee and i also have zfsonlniux and vmware workstation installed... so it's likely during an update one of the modules updated the kernel | 19:19 |
| ry | i have no experience with full disk crypto, even less with LUKS | 19:20 |
| ali1234 | kernel modules live in the initrd too, so updating them updates the initrd | 19:20 |
| ali1234 | neither do it | 19:20 |
| ali1234 | *i | 19:20 |
| ry | other than blowing up my poor thinkpad t430's ubuntu 14.04 install i like it so far | 19:21 |
| ry | lol | 19:21 |
| ry | i never thought i'd see the day where i was almost ok with using unity | 19:21 |
| ry | after endless attempts at making gnome-fallback not suck on 14.04 i refused to switch back to 12.04 so i figured i'd try to make unity work | 19:22 |
| ry | also... once i noticed you could modify UI elements using CSS that definitely added weight to my decisino | 19:22 |
| ali1234 | i heartily recommend xubuntu | 19:22 |
| ry | the only thing i really can't stand is the "top bar" or whatever the gnome-panel equivalent on unity is called that can't be hidden/window dodged or removed | 19:23 |
| ali1234 | just don't try to install it at the same time as unity (tedg: hint hint) | 19:23 |
| ry | i also tried xubuntu but absolutely hated what they did with it | 19:23 |
| ali1234 | you can easily configure it back to a standard panel | 19:23 |
| ry | though i installed the non-ubuntu corrupted xfce4 on a ubuntu 14.04 server i setup over the weekend and i'm fine with that over xrdp at least | 19:23 |
| ali1234 | in fact i wrote a piece of software specifically for this purpose | 19:23 |
| ali1234 | https://github.com/ali1234/panel-switch | 19:24 |
| ali1234 | if you run it with my configuration, you get a gnome2-like config, instantly | 19:24 |
| ry | based on what i saw with xubuntu 14.04 i figured i could eventually make it work but this is literally days of trying to fight with getting gnome-fallback working again, and i just needed a usable system to get some other stuff done | 19:24 |
| ry | wow | 19:24 |
| ry | should of come in here during this time | 19:25 |
| ry | lol | 19:25 |
| ry | i star'ed it, i'll test this out asap | 19:25 |
| ali1234 | the idea is this would eventually be run on first install of xubuntu, and you can then pick a panel type | 19:26 |
| ali1234 | but we need someone to write a gui for it | 19:26 |
| ry | does compiz work alright on xfce4 under ubuntu 14.04? | 19:26 |
| ali1234 | meh... not really | 19:26 |
| ali1234 | xfwm has ezoom now, so why even try to use compiz? | 19:27 |
| ry | i still have a rather limited understanding of how all the gui-related components come together honestly | 19:27 |
| ry | ezoom, the equal to full desktop zoom? | 19:27 |
| ali1234 | yes | 19:27 |
| ry | =) | 19:27 |
| ry | thats one of the primary things i care about lol | 19:28 |
| * ry adds to list | 19:28 | |
| ali1234 | tat's the only thing most people really miss from compiz... the rest of it is just eye candy... nobody *needs* desktop cube | 19:28 |
| ali1234 | zooming is important accessibility feature though | 19:28 |
| ry | oh yeah, i use the 2x2 expo/wall | 19:29 |
| ry | cube was cool for like 5 seconds back when i think it was part of "beryl" or something like that | 19:29 |
| ry | i'm sure in my old age wobbly windows would give me motion sickness or something | 19:29 |
| ry | x_x | 19:29 |
| ali1234 | we don't have expo unfortunately | 19:29 |
| ry | maybe i'm calling it the wrong thing | 19:29 |
| ali1234 | no, i know what you mean - we don't have it | 19:30 |
| ali1234 | windows-e right? | 19:30 |
| ali1234 | like zooming out and showing all workspaces | 19:30 |
| ry | yeah i guess all the features related to that are nice but not absolutely essential | 19:30 |
| ry | i rarely use it | 19:31 |
| ry | as long as i can move windows around between a 2x2 panel i'm good | 19:31 |
| ry | alt+clicking on a window to be able to grab it anywhere and move it is nice too (though i'm not sure if thats related to compiz) | 19:32 |
| ry | going back several years i knew i'd have to give up gnome 2.x at some point, and xfce has always been the alternative, i was surprised when gnome-fallback started becoming usable | 19:33 |
| ry | gnome-flashback (the one that is part of the gnome-shell rather than unity) was pretty much worthless from what i remember | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | alt+drag is in all window managers that i know of, it'sa standard | 19:33 |
| ry | cool | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | gnome flashback isn't so bad, if you know how to use t... you have to hold alt and right click the panel to get the old menus | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | then it's just like old times | 19:34 |
| ali1234 | doesn't work too well with compiz though | 19:34 |
| ry | i tried that on the new one when i was first trying to get ubuntu 14.04 setup | 19:34 |
| ry | it still works on unity's gnome-fallback, but the one that installs with gnome-shell had no such features | 19:35 |
| ali1234 | yeah, there's two different fallback options now | 19:35 |
| ali1234 | flashback, which is gnome-panel, and fallback, which is gnome shell made up to look a bit like gnome-panel but with none of the features | 19:35 |
| ali1234 | and all the drawbacks :( | 19:36 |
| ry | lol | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | you can guess which one gnome officially supports | 19:36 |
| ry | the useless one i'm sure | 19:36 |
| YokoZar | Is it intended that the drums now sound when the screen locks due to inactivity? | 19:40 |
| ali1234 | i would guess not, and it's a side effect of using the same code for the lock screen and the login screen | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | but i don't really know | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | ie that sounds very much like a side-effect of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/878836 | 19:44 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 878836 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Unity Greeter - Use Unity Greeter to fulfil lock screen as well as login functions" [High,Triaged] | 19:44 |
| robert_ancell | desrt, have you started any gtk-mir code? I started work on a branch yesterday | 19:57 |
| YokoZar | ali1234: I agree, filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/1320999 | 20:00 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1320999 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "Drums sound when screen locks" [Undecided,New] | 20:00 |
| desrt | robert_ancell: was double-long weekend here, but i managed to get mir going in jhbuild | 21:27 |
| desrt | robert_ancell: did you push your branch to gnome.org yet? | 21:27 |
| robert_ancell | desrt, no | 21:27 |
| robert_ancell | desrt, where is your branch? | 21:27 |
| desrt | nowhere yet | 21:28 |
| robert_ancell | desrt, whats the convention on pushing gnome branches? wip/mir? | 21:29 |
| desrt | ya. that's fine. | 21:30 |
| desrt | i think i'm gonna need to do some gtkapplication plumbing | 21:31 |
| desrt | i'm on holiday today and in transit to malta tomorrow, but maybe i can do some plane hacking | 21:31 |
| robert_ancell | desrt, can you push your branch there? | 21:32 |
| desrt | on the plane? | 21:32 |
| robert_ancell | to gnome git | 21:32 |
| desrt | of what? | 21:32 |
| robert_ancell | desrt, oh, you got mir to build using jhbuild. | 21:33 |
| robert_ancell | So no GTK+ Mir branch right? | 21:33 |
| desrt | the jhbuild moduleset is not in a 'done' state... the tarball from launchpad needs a fair bit of fixing before its usable | 21:34 |
| desrt | and i can't reupload my fixed tarball.... i'm on extremely spotty train internet | 21:35 |
| robert_ancell | desrt, so what did you get done? | 21:35 |
| robert_ancell | desrt, I'm starting the Mir module from scratch, so it might be best to use that and merge in changes from the bzr branch / tarballs | 21:36 |
| desrt | hacked up the tarball, figured out which cmake options i need, worked around a lib vs. lib64 issue | 21:36 |
| desrt | a lot of the fedora packages aren't quite up to snuff with what we have on ubuntu (and expect from mir) | 21:36 |
| desrt | some missing features in our google libraries (particularly gflags) and uninstalled bits of the mocking framework for cmake integration | 21:37 |
| desrt | (which apparently is a no-no anyway from what i found search around the net -- depending on system versions of this thing is never how it was supposed to work) | 21:38 |
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