[05:38] Good morning [06:48] Moin! [07:02] hey Sweet5hark! [07:02] didrocks: heya. ;) [07:03] how are you? ready for Malta? [07:04] didrocks: all prepared and ready to go ;) -- are you already there? [07:04] Sweet5hark: no, only coming the second week as well [07:04] so no week-end on the sand! [07:05] didrocks: oh, one thing is still missing: some slides for my idea on how to make all Ubuntu an image for the win. ;) [07:06] Sweet5hark: I'm finishing some juju investigation (hopefully today, maybe a little tomorrow), and then, I'll write some slides on what I think we should do to make ubuntu the rocking android and cloud dev platform! [07:06] * didrocks likes and is excited about the topic! :) [07:07] Sweet5hark: Oooh, you're the system-image dudeikins? [07:09] hey RAOF! you will be in Malta next week as well, right? [07:09] Yes indeedy! [07:10] will be nice to see you! :) [07:10] RAOF: well, "system image" sounds wrong to me as I wouldnt make a separation between "system" and "other" ;) [07:10] didrocks: Likewise! [07:11] Sweet5hark: Well, I do need to keep some non-image data around, too :) [07:11] who needs those :) [07:11] you just need a login and password [07:11] and everything will be in the cloud :p [07:12] Still needs the cloud configuration! :P [07:12] oh my! ;-) [07:12] RAOF: sure, separating data out -- but I would separate between e.g. "base system" and "applications". [07:13] s/would/wouldnt/ [07:13] gah [07:13] * Sweet5hark graps caffeine ... [07:13] * RAOF is not sure how that would work, but will be excited to find out! [07:15] didrocks: FWIW I think I have a build fixing bug 1296715 and bug 1219245 on trusty, so its likely SRU time soon ... [07:15] bug 1296715 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Menu items are greyed out in Libreoffice menu." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1296715 [07:15] bug 1219245 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in ImplDevFontListData::~ImplDevFontListData()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1219245 [07:16] I guess that's for RAOF? I'm happily not on the SRU team :p [07:17] * didrocks should drop his MIR duty as well [07:20] didrocks: 'soon' means likely around next week for LibreOffice ;) -- there is an upstream point release update in the mix too, and there was upstream work on -kde integration, which was why I dropped a revert on the broken -kde state. Unfortuneately, with the point release the upstream state is still worse for -kde than with the revert ... [07:21] Sweet5hark: ahah, I did remember having some "fun" for the cycle I maintained OOo at the time with the -kde part :) [07:21] do you know if people using the -kde flavor or just use bare LibreOffice, even on KDE? [07:22] * Sweet5hark mumbles "kill it with fire" ... [07:22] oh, it's in that great state? :) [07:23] didrocks: people on kde use the kde plugin, not the bare libreoffice one (which would have a Windows 95 feel on pure X11) [07:23] didrocks: they _could_ use the -gtk plugin on kde though and it would look decent. [07:24] Sweet5hark: and the -gtk -> -qt theming doesn't make it look even more kdeish? [07:25] IIRC, they have quite a good support for gtk apps under kde look&feel [07:25] didrocks: anyway, there are two people with kde-knowhow doing work on it upstream now (jmux from Munich and llunak from Collabora), so this should improve -- but unlikely to do so much for libreoffice 4.2 [07:25] yeah… [07:26] didrocks: yeah, the look wouldnt be the issue IMHO. But does e.g. kubuntu ship gnome libs? I really dont know ... [07:26] well, glib for sure :) [08:02] hallo [08:02] hey Laney! how was your week-end? [08:02] hey Laney [08:02] bonjour didrocks [08:02] moin Sweet5hark [08:03] hey hey [08:03] it was extremely sunny (by my standards anyway) [08:03] → milkshakes in the sunshine [08:03] guten morgen pitti! [08:03] Laney: oh nice! :) [08:04] hey Laney didrocks pitti [08:04] how are you? [08:04] bonjour seb128 [08:04] pitti: heya! [08:04] seb128: je vais bien, merci ! nous avons eu un bon week-end [08:04] then some climbing, one or two beers and a nice bike ride yesterday including a hill that i was too scared to go down at full speed [08:04] what about you (all)? [08:04] j'attends avec impatience à vous recontrer vendredi ! [08:04] oh also I'm on crappy 3g because my broadband has a fault this morning [08:04] * Laney lags uot [08:05] Laney: when to 2 museums this week-end (it was the european night of museum). Was ok, but not that exciting TBH :) [08:07] pitti, pareil ! [08:10] didrocks: oh, that's a shame! [08:10] I didn't hear about that [08:11] Laney: I saw that some days ago in the newspapers [08:12] seb128: Hey, I think I have fixed bug 1296715! [08:12] bug 1296715 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Menu items are greyed out in Libreoffice menu." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1296715 [08:12] Sweet5hark, hey, nice! === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [09:44] seb128, do you know if/what could process XDG dirs (like Downloads, Video etc ) on login ? we i have seen it a few times that these dirs are non-existent on a phone boot ... yet they are created at image build time [09:45] (so i assume something touches them on session start= [09:45] ) [09:45] ogra_, xdg-user-dirs(-gtk) [09:45] is that run regardless ? [09:46] regardless ov what? [09:46] http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs/ for details [09:46] well, we dont really run a standard session start on the phone [09:46] it's an autostart desktop entry [09:46] right, which we dont process i think [09:47] k [09:47] so maybe some random apps create those [09:47] (thats why i ask :) ) [09:47] like gallery [09:47] but what you wrote doesn't make sense [09:47] hmm, but that wouldnt remove all of them [09:47] they are on the image [09:47] but removed at boot? [09:47] right [09:47] yeah, dunno about that, nothing deletes those dirs [09:47] Xsession.d runs xdg-user-dirs-update [09:48] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7487744/ [09:48] thats what we run during build time [09:48] and usually people still have these dirs [09:48] but sometimes i get reports where they are gone [09:48] with the same image where they exist for others [09:49] so some race removes them i guess ... [09:49] gone or renamed? [09:49] xdg-user-dirs-update is supposed to rename those to their localized version [09:49] gone [09:49] but it does prompt through a GTK UI iirc [09:49] so I would expect that to fail/do nothing on the phone [09:50] right for the renaming we ship /usr/share/upstart/sessions/xdg-dirs.conf [09:50] k, no idea what is happening htne [09:50] then [09:50] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7487754/ [09:50] is anyone seeing those removed with content? [09:51] like having their photos or music wipped out at some random boot? [09:51] on first boot [09:51] so no, no content then [09:51] only on first boot? [09:51] well, thats usually when people contact me :) [09:52] weird [09:52] davmor2 is just opening a bug now ... he just saw it [09:52] well, at least we don't have cases of users having their datas erased after a random reboot [09:52] nope, thats usually after a fresh install [09:52] at least for now nobody complained to me about removed data :) [09:52] do we have any log showing if those ever existed? [09:52] like are they missing [09:52] or is something deleting them on login? [09:52] we know that others that flash the same image have them [09:53] thats what i suspect [09:53] and it's first boot [09:53] like no special tweak [09:53] right [09:53] so random behaviour [09:53] weird [09:53] seems to also only be a small fraction of people [09:54] but i hear about it once every two weeks or so [09:55] * ogra_ will put it in the heisenbug category for now ... and wait til someone sees it again [09:55] i was just hoping you have an immediate idea or some such :) [10:01] yeah, I don't, sorry [10:02] no worries === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === mpt_ is now known as mpt === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:54] " build of …" emails are scary [15:54] just after doing a distro upload, but the relief when you see it's someone else's upload to a team ppa is nice === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox [16:07] ahah ;) [16:07] I find the other way around worse [16:08] like you upload some testing stuff to a ppa [16:08] and you see the same source uploaded to the distro around the same time [16:08] and just think "did I dput correctly?" [16:10] haha yes [16:10] fortunately both are pretty rare :P [16:10] yep ;) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [19:06] ali1234, nothing that i'm aware of... a week or two ago i attempted to change the volume group name, and even though i updated fstab and i thought everything else relevant it rebooted to initramfs saying it couldn't find the ubuntu--vg-root, but i was able to use the lvm utility within initramfs and simply change the volume group back -- prior to this the system was still asking for my pw on boot though, which is why i was able [19:06] to change the volume group -- currently it's not asking for the pw and as a result there is nothing to se but a single encrypted sda3 (lvm is within the dmcrypted partition) [19:06] ah... [19:06] have you tried putting the vg name back? [19:06] i changed itback originally, and have not attempted to change it again since [19:07] hmm [19:07] that was a good two weeks before this issue [19:07] perhaps it is something to do with initrds [19:08] it could be related to the vg stuff [19:08] what controls the boot process on that level? -- when you have a full disk crypto ubuntu install and it prompts you for a pw during the boot, what prompts you for the pw? (becuse that is what -isn't- happening anymore) [19:08] but the problem might not have happened until the next kernel update rebuilt the initrds [19:08] ahh [19:08] all that stuff is in the initrd afaik [19:08] which is rebuilt on kernel update from various config files [19:08] more than that i do not know [19:08] * ry searches for initrd_for_dummies.pdf [19:09] the command is update-initramfs [19:09] i've never used disk encryption though [19:10] do yo have multiple kernels installed at the grub menu? try booting an older one if so? [19:10] i think i just had the one it was using and a *-recovery one [19:10] i tried all the options [19:11] that's probably not it then [19:11] i did try a live cd,and chrooting the sda3 after i decrypted it and then running update-initramfs (based on some reference articles/posts i found) [19:11] but nothing worked [19:11] i'm sure at this point it was in large part due to my lack of understanding of initramfs [19:11] initramfs is a tiny root filesystem with just enough stuff to boot the real system [19:12] it is the envorinment you are inside when it fails to boot [19:12] that is all in ram [19:12] i was unable to do anything useful from it, other than being able to change the lvm volume group in one occasion [19:12] yeah [19:12] you should be able to examine some log files at least... like dmesg [19:12] i guessed that much by the lack of logs and read only filesystem [19:12] lol [19:12] shit [19:13] the one thing i didn't think of was dmesg [19:13] i looked for logs but couldn't find any under initramfs [19:13] it should say something about being unable to mount the root partition... [19:13] try different vts too [19:13] (alt-f1 to 12) [19:13] sometimes the log is written directly to the vt, but not the default one [19:13] well vts? [19:14] https://www.dropbox.com/s/nr0e0pyh1oh8lyt/2014-05-13%2001.12.16.jpg [19:14] forgive the focus [19:14] that is where i was left [19:14] yeah, press alt-f1, alt-f2, alt-f3 etc up to alt-f12 [19:14] the real log can be hidden on a different one [19:15] lol damn [19:15] * ry makes note [19:15] (hopefully that is mentioned in initrd_for_dummies.pdf) [19:17] oh, did you do anything like install virtualbox or nvidia drivers, or other drivers like that? [19:18] those will all cause the initrd to be rebuilt [19:18] i'm pretty sure this is caused by the wrong vg name being stuck somewhere [19:19] it's very possible that is what happened... i'm using the latest nvidia drivers for the nvs5400m w/ bumblebee and i also have zfsonlniux and vmware workstation installed... so it's likely during an update one of the modules updated the kernel [19:20] i have no experience with full disk crypto, even less with LUKS [19:20] kernel modules live in the initrd too, so updating them updates the initrd [19:20] neither do it [19:20] *i [19:21] other than blowing up my poor thinkpad t430's ubuntu 14.04 install i like it so far [19:21] lol [19:21] i never thought i'd see the day where i was almost ok with using unity [19:22] after endless attempts at making gnome-fallback not suck on 14.04 i refused to switch back to 12.04 so i figured i'd try to make unity work [19:22] also... once i noticed you could modify UI elements using CSS that definitely added weight to my decisino [19:22] i heartily recommend xubuntu [19:23] the only thing i really can't stand is the "top bar" or whatever the gnome-panel equivalent on unity is called that can't be hidden/window dodged or removed [19:23] just don't try to install it at the same time as unity (tedg: hint hint) [19:23] i also tried xubuntu but absolutely hated what they did with it [19:23] you can easily configure it back to a standard panel [19:23] though i installed the non-ubuntu corrupted xfce4 on a ubuntu 14.04 server i setup over the weekend and i'm fine with that over xrdp at least [19:23] in fact i wrote a piece of software specifically for this purpose [19:24] https://github.com/ali1234/panel-switch [19:24] if you run it with my configuration, you get a gnome2-like config, instantly [19:24] based on what i saw with xubuntu 14.04 i figured i could eventually make it work but this is literally days of trying to fight with getting gnome-fallback working again, and i just needed a usable system to get some other stuff done [19:24] wow [19:25] should of come in here during this time [19:25] lol [19:25] i star'ed it, i'll test this out asap [19:26] the idea is this would eventually be run on first install of xubuntu, and you can then pick a panel type [19:26] but we need someone to write a gui for it [19:26] does compiz work alright on xfce4 under ubuntu 14.04? [19:26] meh... not really [19:27] xfwm has ezoom now, so why even try to use compiz? [19:27] i still have a rather limited understanding of how all the gui-related components come together honestly [19:27] ezoom, the equal to full desktop zoom? [19:27] yes [19:27] =) [19:28] thats one of the primary things i care about lol [19:28] * ry adds to list [19:28] tat's the only thing most people really miss from compiz... the rest of it is just eye candy... nobody *needs* desktop cube [19:28] zooming is important accessibility feature though [19:29] oh yeah, i use the 2x2 expo/wall [19:29] cube was cool for like 5 seconds back when i think it was part of "beryl" or something like that [19:29] i'm sure in my old age wobbly windows would give me motion sickness or something [19:29] x_x [19:29] we don't have expo unfortunately [19:29] maybe i'm calling it the wrong thing [19:30] no, i know what you mean - we don't have it [19:30] windows-e right? [19:30] like zooming out and showing all workspaces [19:30] yeah i guess all the features related to that are nice but not absolutely essential [19:31] i rarely use it [19:31] as long as i can move windows around between a 2x2 panel i'm good [19:32] alt+clicking on a window to be able to grab it anywhere and move it is nice too (though i'm not sure if thats related to compiz) [19:33] going back several years i knew i'd have to give up gnome 2.x at some point, and xfce has always been the alternative, i was surprised when gnome-fallback started becoming usable [19:33] gnome-flashback (the one that is part of the gnome-shell rather than unity) was pretty much worthless from what i remember [19:33] alt+drag is in all window managers that i know of, it'sa standard [19:33] cool [19:33] gnome flashback isn't so bad, if you know how to use t... you have to hold alt and right click the panel to get the old menus [19:34] then it's just like old times [19:34] doesn't work too well with compiz though [19:34] i tried that on the new one when i was first trying to get ubuntu 14.04 setup [19:35] it still works on unity's gnome-fallback, but the one that installs with gnome-shell had no such features [19:35] yeah, there's two different fallback options now [19:35] flashback, which is gnome-panel, and fallback, which is gnome shell made up to look a bit like gnome-panel but with none of the features [19:36] and all the drawbacks :( [19:36] lol [19:36] you can guess which one gnome officially supports [19:36] the useless one i'm sure [19:40] Is it intended that the drums now sound when the screen locks due to inactivity? [19:41] i would guess not, and it's a side effect of using the same code for the lock screen and the login screen [19:41] but i don't really know [19:44] ie that sounds very much like a side-effect of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/878836 [19:44] Ubuntu bug 878836 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Unity Greeter - Use Unity Greeter to fulfil lock screen as well as login functions" [High,Triaged] [19:57] desrt, have you started any gtk-mir code? I started work on a branch yesterday [20:00] ali1234: I agree, filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/1320999 [20:00] Ubuntu bug 1320999 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "Drums sound when screen locks" [Undecided,New] [21:27] robert_ancell: was double-long weekend here, but i managed to get mir going in jhbuild [21:27] robert_ancell: did you push your branch to gnome.org yet? [21:27] desrt, no [21:27] desrt, where is your branch? [21:28] nowhere yet [21:29] desrt, whats the convention on pushing gnome branches? wip/mir? [21:30] ya. that's fine. [21:31] i think i'm gonna need to do some gtkapplication plumbing [21:31] i'm on holiday today and in transit to malta tomorrow, but maybe i can do some plane hacking [21:32] desrt, can you push your branch there? [21:32] on the plane? [21:32] to gnome git [21:32] of what? [21:33] desrt, oh, you got mir to build using jhbuild. [21:33] So no GTK+ Mir branch right? [21:34] the jhbuild moduleset is not in a 'done' state... the tarball from launchpad needs a fair bit of fixing before its usable [21:35] and i can't reupload my fixed tarball.... i'm on extremely spotty train internet [21:35] desrt, so what did you get done? [21:36] desrt, I'm starting the Mir module from scratch, so it might be best to use that and merge in changes from the bzr branch / tarballs [21:36] hacked up the tarball, figured out which cmake options i need, worked around a lib vs. lib64 issue [21:36] a lot of the fedora packages aren't quite up to snuff with what we have on ubuntu (and expect from mir) [21:37] some missing features in our google libraries (particularly gflags) and uninstalled bits of the mocking framework for cmake integration [21:38] (which apparently is a no-no anyway from what i found search around the net -- depending on system versions of this thing is never how it was supposed to work)