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[08:19] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon May 19 08:19:21 2014 UTC.
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[16:44] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:44]  * sbeattie waves
[16:44] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[16:44] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon May 19 16:44:44 2014 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:45] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:45] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:45] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:45] <jdstrand> Thanks to Benjamin Drung (bdrung) who provided debdiffs for trusty for vlc (LP: #1276650). Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job!
[16:46] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:46] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[16:46] <jdstrand> I will be travelling to the client apps sprint this week and preparing/attending that
[16:46] <jdstrand> I'm in the happy place
[16:47] <jdstrand> I'm not sure what the apps team has planned for me, so I'm not sure if I'll get to other items or not
[16:47] <jdstrand> but I am working on a nova update and will be working on various may work items
[16:47] <jdstrand> mdes laur is out
[16:47] <jdstrand> sbeattie: you're up
[16:48] <sbeattie> I'm again working on the compiler hardening default stuff.
[16:49] <jdstrand> how is that going?
[16:49] <sbeattie> I've got the stack-protector-strong stuff in a place where I'm happy with it, as well as have updates for gcc's tests to cope with some failures that are being triggered by our defaults.
[16:50] <jdstrand> nice
[16:50] <sbeattie> I'll working on getting a patch for -pie by default on amd64
[16:50] <sbeattie> err, I'll _be_ working ...
[16:50] <sbeattie> I'll also be prepping more for the sprint next week
[16:51] <sbeattie> I think that's it for me.
[16:51] <sbeattie> tyhicks?
[16:51] <jdstrand> tyhicks is off
[16:51] <sbeattie> Oh, doh, tyhicks is not here today. jjohansen, I think you're up?
[16:52] <jjohansen> I am working on apparmor this week. I have several bugs that I need to continue investigating/fixing (1319984, a ptrace issue in the touch kernels, 1317545, ...)
[16:52] <jjohansen> I have some fixes for the goldfish kernel that I need to spin into the other touch kernels
[16:54] <jdstrand> jjohansen: is there any more you need from me regarding touch kernels as of today?
[16:54] <jjohansen> and of course I'll try to get back to updating my cache improvements (caching multiple kernels, ...), so that they can be handed off
[16:55] <jjohansen> jdstrand: no not atm, I need to finish chasing down what is going on with what I have, once I have a new kernel I will ping you
[16:55] <jdstrand> perfect
[16:55] <jjohansen> of and I need to stay active on the upstream cross rename stuff, and get ready for the sprint next week
[16:56] <jjohansen> that is it for me sarnold you're up
[16:56] <sarnold> I'm on community this week
[16:57] <sarnold> I'm still working on the QRT django test script
[16:58] <sarnold> I think that's it for me; it'd be nice to be rid of that test script but it's consistently been more work than I've assumed so far
[16:59] <sarnold> chrisccoulson, you're up if you're here :)
[16:59] <chrisccoulson> hi, I'm here :)
[17:00] <chrisccoulson> this week, I shall be working through my oxide review queue
[17:00] <chrisccoulson> also, getting firefox 29.0.1 out
[17:00] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: is that the one with the pdf printing fix?
[17:00] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, it is
[17:00] <jdstrand> ok, cool. that has affected me :)
[17:00] <chrisccoulson> aha
[17:01] <chrisccoulson> I think that's it for me
[17:01] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: that will include the UA fix too?
[17:01] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, that's not firefox. it's ubufox
[17:02] <jdstrand> ah. I guess that is an extremely small change
[17:02] <jdstrand> that is for this week?
[17:02] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it can be
[17:02]  * jdstrand got asked about it
[17:02] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: if you could, that would be great
[17:03] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: perhaps we should add that to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseCycle?
[17:03] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, yeah, possibly. It gets forgotten about every cycle
[17:03]  * jdstrand nods
[17:04] <jdstrand> if it doesn't have to be us, there is also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewReleaseCycleProcess
[17:04] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[17:04] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[17:04] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[17:04] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ruby-parser.html
[17:04] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ruby-i18n.html
[17:05] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/maven.html
[17:05] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/transifex-client.html
[17:05] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/openarena.html
[17:05] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[17:05] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[17:11] <jdstrand> sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, chrisccoulson: thanks!
[17:11] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[17:11] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon May 19 17:11:21 2014 UTC.
[17:11] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-05-19-16.44.moin.txt
[17:11] <sarnold> thanks jdstrand
[17:11] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[17:13] <sbeattie> thanks jdstrand
[17:51] <wmack> Hello, this is wmack. I am before the board on the next meeting to seek approval of membership. I'm getting conflicting information on when exactly that meeting will take place.
[17:52] <wmack> One piece of information says 1200UTC on May 21st (0500 AZ time), the other says 2000 on May 20th (1300 AZ time). Can someone clarify the actual date and time?
[17:53] <wmack> cancel - someone enlightened me locally.
[18:15] <xnox> also there are multiple boards... =)
[18:54] <xnox> !dmb-ping
[18:54] <xnox> meeting in 5 minutes
[19:04] <bdmurray> xnox: I'm here
[19:04]  * xnox sees appologies from micahg, Laney & stgraber
[19:05] <xnox> bdrung: ScottK: bdmurray: are you about?
[19:05] <bdmurray> xnox: I'm here
[19:05] <xnox> out of applicants I don't see sil2100 on any channels, nor bkeresea.
[19:05] <xnox> smb: are you about?
[19:05] <smb> xnox, yup
[19:06] <bdmurray> xnox: sil2100 is being handled via email
[19:06] <bdrung> o/
[19:06] <xnox> smb: have you seen the email from Laney on the mailing list, defining virtualisation package set?
[19:07] <xnox> oh, looks like we have enough to start the meeting?!
[19:07] <smb> xnox, Hm, no. Normal ubuntu-devel?
[19:07] <xnox> smb: never mind, it was actually private. I'll bring it up during the meeting.
[19:08] <smb> ah ok
[19:08] <xnox> #startmeeting Ubuntu Developer Membership Board Meeting
[19:08] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon May 19 19:08:13 2014 UTC.  The chair is xnox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[19:08] <xnox> #topic Review of previous action items
[19:08] <xnox> #subtopic Action: add stokachu to core-dev team
[19:08] <xnox> I think this was competed.
[19:08] <xnox> #subtopic Other
[19:08] <xnox> any other actions that we have pending?
[19:09] <bdmurray> nope
[19:09] <xnox> i thought so as well.
[19:09] <xnox> bkeresea doesn't seem to be online. in that case. moving on.
[19:10] <xnox> #topic Establishment of the Virtualization package set
[19:10] <xnox> We have one applicant for a virtualization package set, yet such package set has not been created yet.
[19:10] <xnox> A following list of packages was proposed by Laney, which without daubt can be considered to form virtualisation package set:
[19:10] <xnox> xen, xen-api, xen-api-libs, qemu, libvirt
[19:10] <xnox> bdmurray: bdrung: smb: would you agree?
[19:11] <xnox> and if yes, shall we vote/ratify that, or simply discuss smb's application assuming such a package set?
[19:11] <smb> xnox, for if we include xen-api then blktap may be added too
[19:12] <smb> That was part of the the xen-api bundle of things
[19:12] <bdrung> xnox: i agree that all these packages belong to virtualization.
[19:12] <bdmurray> that sounds good to me
[19:13] <xnox> #vote create virtualisation packageset consisting off: xen, xen-api, xen-api-libs, qemu, libvirt and blktap
[19:13] <meetingology> Please vote on: create virtualisation packageset consisting off: xen, xen-api, xen-api-libs, qemu, libvirt and blktap
[19:13] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[19:13] <xnox> +1
[19:13] <meetingology> +1 received from xnox
[19:13] <bdmurray> +1
[19:13] <meetingology> +1 received from bdmurray
[19:14] <bdrung> +1
[19:14] <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung
[19:16] <xnox> #endvote
[19:16] <meetingology> Voting ended on: create virtualisation packageset consisting off: xen, xen-api, xen-api-libs, qemu, libvirt and blktap
[19:16] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[19:16] <meetingology> Motion carried
[19:16] <xnox> I think that's all votes we can get, and I believe above would be inline with stgraber/Laney as well.
[19:16] <xnox> In that case going forward.
[19:16] <smb> I would assume at least from stgraber
[19:16] <xnox> #topic Virualisation Packageset Uploader application (smb)
[19:18] <xnox> smb: hello =) can you briefly introduce yourself and talk a little bit about the work you do with above mentioned packages?
[19:18] <smb> xnox, sure if you can bear with me being a bit slower at typeing :)
[19:19] <smb> So I am Stefan Bader, working for the kernel team and through being kind of interface for the server team, started to care for the user-space side of virtualization, too
[19:21] <smb> Most of the work I did was on the Xen package, where I went ahead and created the packaging of Xen-4.4 for Trusty (before that the Xen-4.3 version was also done to quite some degree). I also try to establish us to do upstream stable minor releases for Xen.
[19:22] <smb> The other packages I touched more or less often for bug-fixes and libvirt for some improvements related to Xen as well.
[19:22] <smb> I think that about is it...
[19:24] <smb> Oh, maybe to add that usually I try to send improvements and additions to upstream (sometimes that is less simple than other times)
[19:25] <xnox> smb: as far as I know xen apis, are very tightly coupled, thus on upgrade one cannot skip major releases. What is your vision to support XEN upgrades from e.g. LTS -> LTS? Are you planning to provide xen-hwe-* (like kernels)?
[19:27] <smb> xnox, At least for the experience between Precise and Trusty the main issue was the toolstack which got deprecated. But the upgrade from 4.1 to 4.4 was doable without major issues
[19:28] <smb> Only drawback were xend managed domains, but I provided a conversion script. Unfortunately that has to be called manually and is not working automatically as I initially intended.
[19:29] <smb> Basically when upgrading from P to T there will be a strong push towards changing toolstacks as in the next version of Xen xm is really removed
[19:29] <xnox> i see. Sounds good.
[19:31] <xnox> smb: i see that xen package is ahead and not in-sync with debian. Are you planning to stay diverged from Debian? Or for example collaborate on the upgrade strategies.
[19:32] <smb> xnox, I was trying to collaborate with Debian, though that is ... err... difficult
[19:32] <smb> IOW hard to get feedback from the Maintainer there
[19:32] <smb> I would rather not deviate (too much)
[19:33] <bdrung> smb: have you tried to join the Debian Xen Team?
[19:33] <smb> bdrung, No, not yet. There was an attempt by someone at Citrix but with not much success yet either
[19:35] <xnox> smb: i see, happens.
[19:36] <xnox> bdrung: bdmurray: any other questions?
[19:37] <bdrung> smb: what's your experience with other package maintainers?
[19:37] <bdmurray> xnox: no, I don't have any questions
[19:37] <smb> xnox, libvirt and xen kernel parts receive better upstreaming. And for the kernel we usually try to keep multiple kernel versions working with each hypervisor (which actually is the answer to your previous question)
[19:38] <smb> Feedback and acceptance is quite good there.
[19:39] <smb> Well and also Xen parts which are not related to Debian packaging
[19:40] <bdrung> smb: for example, libvirt is diverted from debian. Have you tried to join the libvirt team to join forces?
[19:42] <smb> bdrung, No, actually I submit all changes that applicable for all to upstream directly. I think from my part there is probably one or two changes related to Debian. But yeah, it would maybe mae sense to discuss these with Debian developers too
[19:43] <bdrung> smb: it is beneficial to become co-maintainer and get access to Debian git repository. This way you could push fixes and prepare new releases.
[19:44] <xnox> smb: i find sending patches to BTS, even after already applied in ubuntu, helps. if they are taken then next merge/rebase will be easier, otherwise, well you do commit to maintain them =)
[19:45] <smb> I agree it should probably be done even in hindsight (libvirt), Probably I should give them a go in this cycle
[19:45] <bdrung> sending patches to the BTS as small chunks is always good. it can take very long until they are applied, but better late than never.
[19:47] <xnox> I think we have discussed your position enough in-depth. So I'll call for votes.
[19:47] <xnox> #vote Should Stefan Bader become Virtualisation Packageset Uploader?
[19:47] <meetingology> Please vote on: Should Stefan Bader become Virtualisation Packageset Uploader?
[19:47] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[19:47] <bdrung> +1
[19:47] <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung
[19:48] <bdmurray> +1
[19:48] <meetingology> +1 received from bdmurray
[19:48] <xnox> +1
[19:48] <meetingology> +1 received from xnox
[19:48] <xnox> #endvote
[19:48] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Should Stefan Bader become Virtualisation Packageset Uploader?
[19:48] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[19:48] <meetingology> Motion carried
[19:48] <xnox> smb: congrats =)
[19:48] <smb> thank you
[19:48] <smb> :)
[19:48] <xnox> #action Add Virtualisation packageset
[19:48] <meetingology> ACTION: Add Virtualisation packageset
[19:48] <bdrung> smb: Herzlichen Glückwunsch!
[19:48] <xnox> #action Add smb as uploader to Virtualisation packageset
[19:48] <meetingology> ACTION: Add smb as uploader to Virtualisation packageset
[19:48] <smb> bdrung, Danke
[19:49] <xnox> bdrung: bdmurray: anybody wants to take up on the above actions? =)
[19:50] <xnox> otherwise, i'll try to follow-up on performing them.
[19:50] <xnox> #topic Any other business =)
[19:51] <bdrung> note for the vote: smb got +1 from stgraber and Laney via email.
[19:51] <xnox> #topic Any other business
[19:51] <xnox> bdrung: right, yes, i failed to mention that.
[19:51]  * xnox is not sure why the topic is not changing.
[19:51] <xnox> Is there any other business?
[19:52] <bdrung> otherwise we wouldn't had met the required +4
[19:52] <xnox> bdrung: right, i thought quorum is +3. Noted.
[19:53] <xnox> Next meeting is 2nd of June 15:00 UTC. Next chair is Laney. And I will not be able to make that meeting.
[19:53] <xnox> Also we need to finish up / conclude sil2100 application via email.
[19:53] <bdrung> xnox: we are seven in total and therefore need +4.
[19:55] <xnox> I'll send a reminder about bkeresea application, which appears to have been stalled.
[19:55] <bdmurray> xnox: its stalled because he has missed a couple of meetings
[19:56] <xnox> bdmurray: i see. Is the time not convenient, or does he not want to proceed with application anymore? should it be handled via email then?!
[19:56] <bdmurray> xnox: If I recall correctly its been two different meeting times
[19:58] <xnox> bdmurray: i see.
[19:58] <xnox> I guess that's it for today.
[19:58] <xnox> #endmeeting
[19:58] <bdrung> xnox: thanks for chairing.
[19:59] <xnox> bdrung: yeah, almost managed it through =)
[19:59] <bdrung> :)
[19:59] <xnox> i think it's my first IRC chair.