[00:09] <diddledan> omg: http://www.macrumors.com/2014/05/16/apple-google-settlement/
[00:11] <diddledan> aah it's not as important as I thought it was after reading it
[00:12] <daftykins> can't we just get along?
[00:17] <diddledan> only as long as you don't make your sheet of glass flat and rectangular
[00:20] <diddledan> virgin media have netflix
[00:20] <diddledan> that's new
[00:20] <daftykins> O_O
[00:20] <diddledan> and they have their tivo thingy
[00:20] <daftykins> as in, an app on their set top box?
[00:20] <diddledan> yeah
[00:21] <diddledan> sky on the other hand are trying to make a new walled garden of their own
[00:21] <daftykins> indeed, i saw it had updated on the boss' box
[00:21] <daftykins> i got asked to take a look at it one day haha, as no channels were working
[00:21] <daftykins> the ol' power cord trick did it
[00:24] <diddledan> one of my lnb feeds is broken on my sky setup :-(
[00:24] <diddledan> I need to call sky to come over to fix it
[00:24] <daftykins> it's probably cheaper just to buy a new LNB and slap it on :>
[00:35] <daftykins> http://www.macrumors.com/2014/05/16/imessages-issue-lawsuit/
[00:35] <daftykins> lol
[00:35] <diddledan> yeah I saw that
[00:35] <diddledan> bit of a stupid situation apple landed themselves in with that
[00:37] <diddledan> I guess they thought once someone had an iphone they wouldn't ever want to go elsewhere
[00:38] <shauno> it's just messups in layers
[00:38] <diddledan> shauno, like the third reich?
[00:39] <shauno> eg, the address book lets you put in phone numbers as different types .. phone, office, etc.  one of htem is 'iphone'
[00:39] <shauno> if you put in a number as an iphone number, when it's not going to an iphone, you'll cause exactly the same situation
[00:39] <diddledan> hah
[00:40] <shauno> and then there's imessage taking way too long to timeout on delivering it as an imessage, which has to time out on your side & apple's (before it gives up and resends as sms)
[00:40] <daftykins> hey guys
[00:40] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fxxd6kokb2xwfcx/IMG_20140516_165146.jpg
[00:40] <daftykins> i just can't giggle enough at those prices
[00:41] <shauno> you've never priced out a xeon workstation from another vendor then?
[00:41] <shauno> last time I tried, there was surprisingly little difference between dell & apple
[00:42] <daftykins> i haven't no
[00:42] <diddledan> the dual firepro amd GPU cards is prolly a large percentage of that
[00:43] <shauno> it's amazing how much difference (price-wise) the xeon makes :/  (what actual difference it makes, I have no idea .. I have no xeons recent enough to compare)
[00:44] <diddledan> I don't get the difference between workstation class gpu and gaming gpu is
[00:45] <daftykins> someone i know from another channel was actually speccing up a cheap upgrade
[00:45] <daftykins> instead of an i5, she picked some Xeon 2354 or similar, it seems to perform as well as an i7-4770K but for £200
[00:46] <shauno> the one in the "entry level" mac pro is a $600 processor :/
[00:48] <daftykins> exchange rate is almost 1.7:1 right now :O
[00:49] <shauno> the gpus are weird though.  it's not two running in parallel.  only one of them actually has any influence on the display
[00:49] <shauno> the other one is entirely deadweight unless you have one of very few loads that use it for computation rather than graphics
[00:51] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qtorpc6mk0qdc7t/IMG_20140519_014933.jpg
[00:51] <daftykins> have an olive
[00:52] <shauno> lol, nice
[00:53] <shauno> I think all in all the price isn't the bizarre part.  it's trying to put a xeon workstation in a small form-factor  (and people who'll pay the extra grand without actually requiring a workstation)
[00:56] <shauno> I've completely messed my sleep pattern up :/  antibiotics kick me in the pants
[00:59] <diddledan> shauno, welcome to nocturnal
[00:59] <daftykins> shauno: you were pretty quirky before no? doesn't that mean you're waking up normally for a 9-5 now? :D
[01:00] <shauno> I've always been "quirky"  but napping 2-10pm took it to a whole new level
[01:02] <daftykins> wow.
[01:03] <daftykins> i just got linked to this
[01:03] <daftykins> https://imgur.com/gallery/0K2iD
[01:03] <daftykins> the postman pat one omg
[01:03] <diddledan> omg. bbc three right now - tyger the older boy from "outnumbered" - his dad happens to be britain's number one male porn start
[01:03] <diddledan> star*
[01:09] <shauno> I had no idea they were ranked
[01:15] <shauno> I think this'll make me "officially old", but there's actually some pretty decent stuff on radio4
[01:34] <shauno> hm, youtube buying Twitch doesn't sound like it'll end well for anyone
[01:35] <daftykins> oh deary me
[01:35] <daftykins> confirmed happening?
[01:38] <shauno> not confirmed yet, that I know of
[01:53] <daftykins> oh guys this is gold
[01:53] <daftykins> http://jimllpaintit.tumblr.com/
[01:59] <brx_> anyone got a link for the new game of thrones?
[02:01] <daftykins> that's not appropriate for this channel or network
[02:08] <brx_> soz dad
[02:09] <daftykins> lawl so funny
[02:09] <daftykins> took you 7 minutes to come up with that
[02:12] <brx_> your mum said stop being cheeky to your new dad
[02:12] <daftykins> you should be asleep it's a school night
[02:15] <brx_> daftykins, shut up and find me a link
[02:15] <daftykins> leave.
[02:17] <brx_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkL1K3rLPWw
[02:18] <shauno> ooh, I forgot it's GoT night.  that'll mean there's another episode of Cosmos up
[02:21] <brx_> i really wanna watch it :(
[02:22] <shauno> then quit wasting your time in the wrong place
[02:24] <daftykins> shauno: http://images.cdn.bigcartel.com/bigcartel/product_images/137320543/max_h-1000+max_w-1000/tumblr_mixypynaCh1s6ylubo1_1280.jpg
[02:25] <shauno> henry vs dyson.  that's difficult
[02:25] <shauno> wait, tyson on a dyson?
[02:25] <daftykins> apparently it's goldie
[02:25] <daftykins> whom i do not know
[02:26] <shauno> ow
[02:26] <brx_> hes a drum and bass producer. dafty the next link had better be got or im gonna have to regulate you
[02:27] <brx_> daftykins*
[02:27] <daftykins> that was ace
[02:27] <daftykins> i thought the degenerate drink of choice was white lightning though, what's that stuff 0o
[02:30] <shauno> I get the impression that's what he's going for, but with a less family-friendly name
[02:31] <brx_> IVE FOUND IT
[02:31] <brx_> SCREW YOU daftykins
[02:31] <daftykins> i'd prefer you go die in a fire now
[02:31] <brx_> RIGHTUPYOURARSE
[02:31] <daftykins> sorry i'm more into the ladies.
[02:32] <brx_> well you just too a length. i hope you enjoyed that.
[02:33] <brx_> im only joking mate, have a good night
[02:36] <daftykins> in all seriousness are you <20?
[02:38] <brx_> 17
[02:38] <brx_> i bossed you though didnt i?
[02:42] <daftykins> nope not even a good try
[02:42] <daftykins> also you sound like a real chav :( but i'm getting personal now so i shall stop
[02:43] <brx_> a chav? far from it
[02:52] <brx_> daftykins can we make friends
[04:36] <jussi> Morning all
[06:05] <MooDoo> morning
[06:06] <jussi> morning mr MooDoo
[06:07] <davmor2> MooDoo:
[06:07] <davmor2> morning
[06:07] <MooDoo> davmor2: ello
[06:22] <MooDoo> how are you jussi davmor2
[06:24] <jussi> MooDoo: not bad. still in the "alive" area... :D
[06:24] <MooDoo> cool
[06:46] <Myrtti> I'm still stiff and sore :-|
[06:47] <Myrtti> also feeling a bit paranoid about my nose being a bit stuffy
[06:47] <Myrtti> was sitting in the back garden yesterday waiting for the bbq to warm up when something wet landed on the edge of my sunglass and in my eye
[06:48] <Myrtti> --> now wondering what kind of eye pox I get
[06:49] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: Alien spores.
[06:49] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: bird flu or something like that has occurred to me
[06:50] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: maybe it was just some insect droppings
[06:51] <Myrtti> https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/p180x540/10341857_10152442119142065_6535201542531891974_n.jpg
[06:51] <Myrtti> evidence says no
[06:52] <MartijnVdS> BBQ grease?
[06:53] <Myrtti> bird poop
[06:54] <MartijnVdS> A drop from a leaky airplane toilet
[06:54] <Myrtti> and that's supposed to make me feel better than the thought of a bird poop?
[06:54] <Myrtti> you failed, my friend
[06:54] <MartijnVdS> oh you wanted to feel *better* :P
[06:54] <MartijnVdS> sorry ;)
[06:54] <Myrtti> :-P
[08:06] <bashrc> morning
[08:18] <davmor2> MooDoo: sprinting lots of meetings
[08:21] <czajkowski> davmor2: boo
[08:35] <Laney> virgin fault this morning
[08:35]  * Laney wah
[08:35]  * Laney lag
[09:06] <diplo> Morning all
[09:14] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:31] <xnox> Laney: hm, virgin announced downtime for me on friday. what is all about, i wonder....
[09:33] <Laney> xnox: gremlins crawling around the cablez
[09:33] <Laney> about three days to crawl from london to nottm
[09:33] <xnox> Laney: that's ok, i have a water sprinkler. oh wait....
[09:34] <Laney> sounds plausible to me
[09:42] <mapps> feel so grateful that we could
[09:43] <mapps> donated 2.5k to kings a&e few months back and theres people crying over 2 quid
[09:43] <mapps> :D
[11:04] <dvrr> Hi  everyone ..............
[11:30] <czajkowski> Myrtti: are you close to Helsinki oslo or stockholm!
[11:30] <Myrtti> nope :-/
[11:30] <czajkowski> jussi: I'm coming! June 11th to Helsinki
[11:30] <Myrtti> merry old England for me
[11:30] <jussi> czajkowski: woohoo!
[11:30] <czajkowski> June 12th Stockholm
[11:30] <czajkowski> and June 10th Oslo
[11:31] <czajkowski> you had better show your face! :)
[11:31] <czajkowski> Myrtti: ohh didnt know you're over here now full time
[11:36] <Laney> haz internet
[11:37] <jussi> Laney: congratulations :D
[11:37] <Laney> :P
[11:40] <dvrr> How  to configure  windows user authentication by linux samba ldap   centos 6  please  guide me
[11:42] <dvrr> i configured in centos 5.6 it's working but  how to configure  centos 6
[11:44] <feisar_> I believe you want to be looking at SSSD
[11:44] <dvrr> MooDoo:
[11:45] <daftykins> hrmm i have an old macbook of a pals to look at today
[11:48] <jussi> daftykins: dont do it! :P
[11:49] <jussi> itll poison you! :P
[11:49] <daftykins> it's ok i'm immune!
[11:49] <daftykins> i have to deal with macs for someone and i already lul at their fair share of problems
[11:51] <jussi> :)
[11:51] <jussi> daftykins: ok then, but use protection...... :P?
[12:05] <daftykins> jussi: ok, Naked Gun full body you know what now donned
[12:09] <jussi> ...
[12:09] <jussi> daftykins: you scared Moodoo off!  :P
[12:12] <daftykins> he always was a wee bit squeamish
[12:14] <jussi> lol
[13:44] <Myrtti> could someone fix my ice hockey video stream ;___;
[13:45] <SuperEngineer> Myrtti: done! did my fix work?
[13:45] <SuperEngineer> [might take a while for the telepathy to work]
[13:45] <Myrtti> no :-(
[13:45] <SuperEngineer> darn!
[13:45] <Myrtti> I've paid to see this game on this shoddy stream ;____;
[13:47] <SuperEngineer> I just phoned Microsoft to see if they could you - they asked "have you tried rebboting?"
[13:47] <SuperEngineer> *rebooting
[13:48] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[13:48] <popey> hello all
[13:49] <SuperEngineer> boo!
[13:51] <SuperEngineer> popey is now known as popeyjustranamileinfrightcozsomeonewentboo!
[14:38] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[14:49] <diddledan> ditto
[14:50] <diddledan> morning
[14:50] <daftykins> hi sir
[14:50] <daftykins> s
[14:50] <awilkins> Some of us are in the tail end of the afternoon
[14:51] <daftykins> i hate macs.
[14:51] <awilkins> Someone wants me to port an application to one
[14:51] <daftykins> they don't give decent reasons as to why they won't boot things :P
[14:51] <daftykins> o rly
[14:51] <awilkins> It's a Java app
[14:51] <daftykins> that's... surely not much work then?
[14:52] <awilkins> So technically it should just be a matter of dropping in the Mac binaries for the native libs it uses
[14:52] <awilkins> But also have to remove the references to i) The Windows Registry ii) Outlook and iii) The Windows help system
[14:52] <awilkins> I feel some dependency injection coming on
[14:53] <awilkins> Well, I think I'll just straight out port the help to something less awful
[14:53] <awilkins> I mean, it's basically an embedded browser... you'd think the help would be available from within it...
[14:54] <daftykins> :D
[15:06] <daftykins> alrighty, making some progress with this thing at last
[16:09] <diddledan> I guess I need to go into the hoffice
[16:09] <diddledan> tomorro**
[16:09] <diddledan> my colleague has riled management by doing something he believed they agreed to which they're backpeddling
[17:14] <daftykins> diddledan: =/ are you skiving?
[17:14] <diddledan> nah
[17:14] <daftykins> just work from home? o0
[17:14] <diddledan> yup
[17:16] <daftykins> :O
[17:16] <daftykins> soo i've managed to install snow leopard and update to lion on this old late 2007 macbook
[17:16] <daftykins> but it still has a disk with bad sectors and a dead battery :D
[17:21] <shauno> wouldn't you be tempted to do something about the disk before you worry about putting an OS on it ?
[17:22] <daftykins> it's a mates with no money :)
[17:22] <daftykins> so i was more seeing what OS would go on to start to deem whether he could sell it for much
[17:22] <daftykins> as it goes, Lion is the newest this one can run
[17:26] <daftykins> you can get replacement batteries for £16 O_O
[17:26] <daftykins> ebay specials mind, so not legit i'm sure
[18:27] <brobostigon> question, why would you be able to see a device on the same network, using bonjour and ssh, but not dlna?
[18:28] <ali1234> because dlna is a very poorly specified "standard"
[18:28] <ali1234> it is not unusual that devices can't see each other with it
[18:28] <brobostigon> thats doesnt answer the question sadly.
[18:29] <brobostigon> it can see my dlna anables tv.
[18:29] <ali1234> bonjour is 100% apple. things either work with apple's implementation, or nobody cares
[18:29] <brobostigon> it works, i can ssh to it, using a bonjour addr.
[18:29] <ali1234> dlna however is made by a consortium of different companies, one of which is microsoft
[18:30] <ali1234> as a result, there are a million different interpretations of the spec, all subtly incompatible with each other
[18:30] <ali1234> dlna is also known as upnp
[18:31] <ali1234> it is somewhat like microsoft's other networking standard: samba/cifs/whatever you call it
[18:31] <brobostigon> i knew all this, it still doesnt answer my question, or bode a path to a solution.
[18:31] <ali1234> in that half the time half your computers can't see the other half for no paticular reason
[18:32] <directhex> brobostigon, how are you attempting to "see" the device with dlna?
[18:32] <ali1234> well, okay, to start with, which two dlna devices are you trying to make communicate?
[18:33] <brobostigon> directhex: using various android playback apps, to listen to downloaded eps of hitchhikers.
[18:33] <directhex> brobostigon, and which dlna server are you running?
[18:33] <brobostigon> directhex: minidlna on debian testing.
[18:33] <ali1234> so the best upnp/dnla client for android is skifta. try that one if you haven't
[18:33] <ali1234> i think that's what it's called, let me check
[18:34] <ali1234> yeah that's it
[18:35] <ali1234> if that doesn't work you should try a different server. rigel is supposed to be the most compatible
[18:35] <brobostigon> i just dont know how to troubleshoot it, as it has worked upto this point, so i dont know where to proceed from.
[18:36] <ali1234> so it worked before?
[18:36] <brobostigon> yes.
[18:36] <ali1234> well, that's different then
[18:36] <brobostigon> hence i dont know how to troubleshoot it, as to why it is not working,
[18:37] <brobostigon> hence me asking what i did.
[18:37] <directhex> have you tried turning it off and on again?
[18:37] <ali1234> did you update anything?
[18:37] <brobostigon> directhex: devide or sw or both?
[18:37] <brobostigon> device*
[18:38] <ali1234> there are actually three pieces of software involved with playing media from a upnp media server
[18:38] <ali1234> the server itself, the media player, and the media controller
[18:40] <ali1234> the controller finds the server using broadcast addresses, then it gets the media listings and sends one to the media player, which streams it on http using a normal connection
[18:42] <ali1234> step one is probably tcpdump on the server and see if there is multicast activity
[18:45] <brobostigon> ie, mdns ?
[18:45] <ali1234> no
[18:45] <ali1234> upnp discovery packets
[18:46] <ali1234> look for udp port 1900
[18:46] <ali1234> on "weird" IP addresses
[18:46] <ali1234> 239.*.*.* i think
[18:48] <brobostigon> ok, i shall have to work out how to filter to just that port.
[18:48] <ali1234> tcpdump -n -i eth0 udp port 1900
[18:49] <ali1234> when i start skifta on my android ablet i see a bunch of traffic on that on my desktop, but i don't have any upnp servers at the moment
[18:50] <ali1234> although i do see my router advertising it's port forwarding in response
[18:52] <ali1234> add "-A" to see contents of the packets
[18:53] <brobostigon> yep. shows loads of entries, from my android device when i fire up said sw.
[18:53] <ali1234> do you see a response from miniupnp?
[18:53] <ali1234> you *should* do...
[19:20] <lazarus_> i've been looking to optimise some code that i put together since i know there are like 100 ways to write shell scripts http://pastebin.com/1wsBDd8d
[19:21] <ali1234> use rsync
[19:21] <ali1234> !rsync