[16:01] <arosales> Hello
[16:01] <gnuoy> \o
[16:01] <rbasak> o/
[16:01] <rharper> o/
[16:01] <arosales> I'll be chairing the server team as I forgot to send minutes last week
[16:01] <jamespage> o/
[16:01] <matsubara> o/
[16:02] <sforshee> o/
[16:02] <beisner> o/
[16:02] <arosales> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:02] <arosales> come on bot
[16:02] <arosales> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:02] <coreycb> o/
[16:03] <arosales> #endmeeting
[16:03] <arosales> #startmeeting
[16:03] <lutostag> o/
[16:03] <arosales> hmm looks like the bot may be sick today
[16:03] <arosales> anyone know of any ways to kick it ?
[16:04] <rbasak> Looks like meetingology isn't online at all.
[16:04] <arosales> ok I'll continue without the bot today
[16:04] <rbasak> AlanBell: help?
[16:05] <arosales> rbasak: should I hold one for a sec?
[16:05] <rbasak> arosales: I guess he's not online, and I'm not sure who to ask. Best to proceed without I guess.
[16:05] <gaughen> o/
[16:05] <arosales> rbasak: ok and thanks for the thelp
[16:06] <arosales> *help
[16:06] <gaughen> arosales, you're up again?
[16:06] <arosales> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:06] <arosales> no actions from last week
[16:06] <arosales> it was a pretty brief call with it being post release and folks at ODS
[16:06] <arosales> gaughen ya I forgot to send minutes so I am up again this week
[16:07] <arosales> #topic Utopic Development
[16:07] <arosales> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule
[16:07] <arosales> so we have the client sprint going on this week
[16:07] <arosales> vUDS is June 12, mark your calenders
[16:07] <arosales> Alpha 1 at the end of June on the 26th
[16:07] <arosales> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:08] <arosales> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-u-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:08] <arosales> 3 high bugs under server
[16:08] <arosales> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ec2-api-tools/+bug/1319555
[16:08] <arosales> smoser: utlemming ^
[16:09] <smoser> i'll triage that.
[16:09] <arosales> looks like utlemming is working
[16:09] <smoser> oh, yeah. looks like it
[16:09] <arosales> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/+bug/1315052
[16:10] <arosales> looks like hallyn did some triaging ealier this month
[16:10] <arosales> hallyn: any comments here?
[16:10] <hallyn> fixed upstream
[16:11] <arosales> hallyn: sounds like you are wating for the lxc fixes pushed as well but testing is looking ok
[16:11] <arosales> re comment 2
[16:11] <arosales> hallyn: will you be working to bring those into trusty and utopic, not current owners atm
[16:12] <hallyn> updated the status
[16:12]  * arosales refresh
[16:12] <hallyn> stgraber will merge those in with regular merge of stable
[16:12] <hallyn> i expect he'l be doing that next week
[16:12] <arosales> hallyn: ah ok, thanks
[16:12] <hallyn> (both for utopic and trusty)
[16:12] <arosales> good stuff, thanks for the update and bug status udpates
[16:12] <arosales> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clamav/+bug/1317587
[16:13] <arosales> looks like scott kitterman has that in progress
[16:13] <arosales> that covers the high, any other bugs folks would like to bring up here?
[16:14] <arosales> #subtopic Blueprints
[16:14] <arosales> #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-t/group/topic-u-servercloud-overview.html
[16:14] <arosales> not found . . . .
[16:14] <arosales> gaughen, smoser, jamespage: are utopic blueprints made?
[16:15] <jamespage> inprogress
[16:15] <arosales> ack
[16:15] <arosales> given you guys have been sprinting and at ODS _completely_ understandable
[16:15] <arosales> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:15] <gaughen> arosales, yes - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-u-server
[16:16] <arosales> gaughen: ah nice
[16:16] <arosales> I'll update the IRC command link
[16:16] <arosales> gaughen: any points you would like to cover re blueprints?
[16:17]  * arosales doesn't see caribou around . . .
[16:17] <arosales> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (psivaa)
[16:17] <psivaa> arosales: We had some issues on smoke test infrastructure for utopic. it's now fixed and i'm going to kick the runs now.
[16:17] <arosales> good to here there were fixes :-)
[16:18] <psivaa> :)
[16:18] <gaughen> arosales, like jamespage said they are a work in progress
[16:18] <arosales> gaughen: ok, and thanks for the link
[16:18] <arosales> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee)
[16:18]  * beisner thanks psivaa 
[16:18]  * smb looks surprised and removes the towel
[16:18] <smb> For EC2 there is some discussion upstream for network issues of newer kernels (3.8+) which drop packets if fragments are, err, too fragmented. Not final outcome, yet. And on a side note, I might be getting more "dangerous" soon as I succeeded in getting a few more upload rights.
[16:19] <smb> That would be all if there are no questions
[16:19] <arosales> smb are you working with smoser or utlemming on the EC2 network issues in 3.8+?
[16:20] <smb> arosales, No I was asking Xen / kernel upstream
[16:20] <smoser> smb, is there a bug for this ?
[16:20] <smb> yes
[16:20] <smb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1317811
[16:21] <arosales> smb thanks for the update
[16:21] <arosales> smb: good luck on the additional upload rights too :-)
[16:21] <arosales> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:21] <arosales> everyone rested from ODS?
[16:21] <arosales> great demo btw
[16:22] <gaughen> not sure I'm rested but I'm ready for resting this holiday weekend, arosales
[16:22] <arosales> +1 to thtat
[16:22] <arosales> that
[16:22] <arosales> any other upcoming events?
[16:22]  * arosales not aware of any so I'll move on.
[16:22] <arosales> #topic Open Discussion
[16:22] <arosales> any other topics
[16:23] <arosales> ok sounds like all topics covered then :-)
[16:23] <gaughen> nope
[16:23] <arosales> #topic Announce next meeting date and time
[16:24] <arosales> NEXT MEETING: Tuesday 2014-05-27 at 1600 UTC
[16:24] <smoser> thank you arosales
[16:24] <arosales> thanks all for attending
[16:24] <arosales> #endmeeting
[16:24] <jamespage> thanks arosales
[16:24] <rbasak> Thanks arosales!
[16:24]  * arosales will not forgot to send minutes this time :-)
[17:00] <jsalisbury> #startmeeting
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting.
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Utopic
[17:00] <jsalisbury> # Meeting Etiquette
[17:00] <jsalisbury> #
[17:00] <jsalisbury> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[17:00] <jsalisbury> #       'o/' indicates you have something to add (please wait until you are recognized)
[17:00] <jsalisbury> Roll Call for Ubuntu Kernel Weekly Status Meeting
[17:00] <ppisati> o/
[17:00] <ogasawara> o/
[17:00] <henrix> o/
[17:00] <kamal> o/
[17:00] <rtg> o/
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:01] <ppisati> Nothing new to report this week
[17:01] <ppisati> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:01] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-distro-team/+upcomingwork
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-u/canonical-kernel-distro-team.html
[17:02] <ogasawara> Here's our todo list until we formulate a better plan for tracking work
[17:02] <ogasawara> next week at our team sprint:
[17:02] <ogasawara> || apw       || core-1405-kernel || 2 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || ogasawara || core-1405-kernel || 2 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Utopic Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:02] <ogasawara> We have uploaded our first v3.15 based kernel, 3.15.0-1.5, to the Utopic
[17:02] <ogasawara> archive.  It is currently based on the v3.15-rc5 upstream kernel.
[17:02] <ogasawara> -----
[17:02] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule
[17:02] <ogasawara> Mon-Wed June 9 - 11, vUDS (~3 weeks away)
[17:02] <ogasawara> Thurs Jun 26 - Alpha 1 (~5 weeks away)
[17:02] <ogasawara> Fri Jun 27 - Kernel Freeze for 12.04.5 and 14.04.1 (~5 weeks away)
[17:02] <ogasawara>  * NOTE: The PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule notes Kernel Freeze as Aug 9.  I believe this should be amended to Jun 27.
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's
[17:02] <jsalisbury> The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:02] <jsalisbury> http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[17:02] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Trusty/Saucy/Precise/Lucid (bjf/henrix/kamal/arges)
[17:03] <henrix> Status for the main kernels, until today (May. 20):
[17:03] <henrix>   *   Lucid - Prep week
[17:03] <henrix>   * Precise - Prep week
[17:03] <henrix>   * Quantal - Prep week
[17:03] <henrix>   *   Saucy - Prep week
[17:03] <henrix>   *  Trusty - Prep week
[17:03] <henrix>  
[17:03] <henrix> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:03] <henrix>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:03] <henrix> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:03] <henrix>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html
[17:03] <henrix>  
[17:03] <henrix> Schedule:
[17:03] <henrix>  
[17:03] <henrix> cycle: 18-May through 07-Jun
[17:03] <henrix> [17:03] <henrix>          16-May   Last day for kernel commits for this cycle
[17:03] <henrix> 18-May - 24-May   Kernel prep week.
[17:03] <henrix> 25-May - 31-May   Bug verification & Regression testing.
[17:03] <henrix> 01-Jun - 07-Jun   Regression testing & Release to -updates.
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:05] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:05] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:05] <apw> jsalisbury, thanks..
[17:06] <kamal> thanks jsalisbury
[19:41] <costales> Hi! :)
[19:57] <costales> SergioMeneses, \o/
[19:58] <SergioMeneses> hi everybody!
[19:58] <costales> Hi folks!
[19:58] <costales> Who is here from from the Catalan Team? :)
[19:58] <wagafo> I am
[19:59] <wagafo> HI everybody!
[19:59] <rafael_carreras> i am
[19:59] <alexm> o/
[19:59] <costales> Hi wagafo! :) Hi rafael_carreras
[19:59] <wagafo> Bona nit! in Catalan
[19:59] <costales> hi alexm :)
[19:59] <costales> Bona nit!
[19:59] <rafael_carreras> hi costales
[19:59] <alexm> hi everybody
[20:00] <SergioMeneses> hello Catalan Team!
[20:00] <rafael_carreras> hello
[20:00] <josepgallart> hello
[20:00] <wagafo> hello
[20:00] <jose> ok, let's get started.
[20:00] <PabloRubianes> hello
[20:00] <jose> #startmeeting LoCo Council Meeting 14-05-20
[20:00] <costales> let's go jose! :)
[20:00] <costales> Thanks for coming!
[20:00] <jose> oh damn.
[20:01] <jose> give me a sec to put a meetingology clone live
[20:01] <SergioMeneses> go for it
[20:01] <costales> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CatalanTeam/ReVerificationApplication2014
[20:02] <PabloRubianes> wait costales
[20:02] <jose> someone needs to read backscroll!
[20:02] <SergioMeneses> wait for the bot :D
[20:02] <costales> :$ :P sorry
[20:04] <jose> 2 more mins
[20:05] <lluisanunez> hello everyone
[20:05] <costales> hi lluisanunez
[20:06] <jose> let's give this a try...
[20:07] <jose> #startmeeting LoCo Council Meeting 14-05-20
[20:07] <JoseBot> Meeting started Tue May 20 20:07:15 2014 UTC.  The chair is jose. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell.
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[20:07] <jose> uh
[20:07] <jose> #endmeeting
[20:07] <JoseBot> Meeting ended Tue May 20 20:07:27 2014 UTC.
[20:07] <JoseBot> Minutes:        http://people.ubuntu.com/~joseeantonior/Logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-05-20-20.07.moin.txt
[20:07] <jose> #startmeeting LoCo Council Meeting 14-05-20
[20:07] <JoseBot> Meeting started Tue May 20 20:07:49 2014 UTC.  The chair is jose. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell.
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[20:07] <jose> there we go
[20:07] <costales> thanks Joeb454
[20:08] <costales> thanks jose
[20:08] <jose> hello everyone, and sorry for the delay
[20:08] <jose> np
[20:08] <rafael_carreras> hello again
[20:08] <costales> hi rafael_carreras. Thanks for coming!
[20:08] <wagafo> hello
[20:08] <josepgallart> hello again
[20:08] <alexm> hello from barcelona!
[20:08] <costales> Hi everybody!
[20:08] <cubells> hi!
[20:08] <PabloRubianes> hello
[20:09] <jose> #voters costales SergioMeneses PabloRubianes jose jose-as-smk
[20:09] <JoseBot> Current voters: PabloRubianes SergioMeneses costales jose jose-as-smk
[20:09] <jose> so, welcome to another LC meeting
[20:09] <jose> can any of the LC members give us an update for what today's agenda is?
[20:10] <costales> Hi jose, yes
[20:10] <costales> it's the Catalan team Reverification
[20:10] <costales> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CatalanTeam/ReVerificationApplication2014
[20:10] <jose> nothing else?
[20:11] <costales> I think no
[20:11] <jose> ok
[20:11] <jose> let's move on, then
[20:11] <jose> #topic Catalan Team Re-Verification
[20:12] <PabloRubianes> hello
[20:12] <PabloRubianes> before going with this
[20:14] <PabloRubianes> I'm afraid we can vote on this topic today as we need to finish the discussion of the availability of teams in smaller regions than countries
[20:14] <PabloRubianes> can't*
[20:14] <rafael_carreras> i thought it was settled years ago
[20:15] <PabloRubianes> we have at the moment a rule of one team per country
[20:15] <alexm> how so? when did that change?
[20:15] <jose> it's always been like that
[20:15] <PabloRubianes> yes
[20:16] <wagafo> But we have been approved for 7 years, and carried a lot of activities
[20:16] <PabloRubianes> I know that the catalan team is a great one
[20:17] <jose> it's not because you are a 'bad' team or a team which does not demonstrate activities, but instead because of the rules that are in place at this current time
[20:17] <wagafo> Then only an Andorra team could be approved?
[20:17] <PabloRubianes> but we need to fix this situation because we need to have rules for all teams not just for the spain teams and other for the rest of the world
[20:18] <alexm> where's that rule written, please?
[20:18] <alexm> no-one mention that rule on the meeting where we were approved as an official team
[20:18] <jose> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto#Getting_Started
[20:19] <wagafo> Aren't there teams in the US only for Michigan or so?
[20:20] <jose> sorry, could you rephrase that, please?
[20:20] <costales> A lot of people is here today for the reverification. I think we could vote for the reverification now and discuss that theme in a short future. Are you agree?
[20:21] <wagafo> When you discuss that just think that if the rule is one state = one team there will be no Catalan team any more
[20:22] <jose> well, there's Ubuntu Spain, isn't there?
[20:22] <costales> I'm from Ubuntu Spain jose
[20:22] <costales> I think it's perfect now
[20:22] <alexm> i'm not so sure that such one-team rule is so clear in the wiki mentioned before
[20:22] <wagafo> That's in Spanish, we promote Ubuntu in Catalan
[20:22] <costales> I think the Catalan team is the best team in Spain
[20:23] <costales> and they are spreading Ubuntu in Catalunya in the best way
[20:23] <costales> that is the important
[20:23] <jose> I have already stated my point of view in those terms a couple lines above
[20:23] <PabloRubianes> alexm: "If you would like to set up a LoCo team for a smaller region (such as a county or town district), you should work to do this within the existing wider team. "
[20:23] <alexm> PabloRubianes: our team is much larger than a region, it has several countries included
[20:24] <SergioMeneses> guys why dont you want to be part of ubuntu Spain?
[20:24] <jose> before that
[20:24] <wagafo> Catalan is spoken also in France and in Italy
[20:24] <alexm> Catalan language is spoken in several countries
[20:24] <jose> let's open a vote to decide if we should go ahead and proceed with the voting or not
[20:24] <alexm> i think you should read the minutes from the meeting where the catalan team was approved
[20:24] <jose> #vote continue with the re-verification process or not?
[20:24] <JoseBot> Please vote on: continue with the re-verification process or not?
[20:24] <JoseBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:25] <costales> I think we (Loco Council) have to listen the teams in this important question
[20:25] <costales> +1 continue
[20:25] <jose> erm... JoseBot is awaiting votes
[20:25] <JoseBot> +1 continue received from costales
[20:25] <PabloRubianes> -1 we can't reapprove even we don't have a clear opinion about the rule
[20:25] <JoseBot> -1 we can't reapprove even we don't have a clear opinion about the rule received from PabloRubianes
[20:26] <SergioMeneses> 0 I feel we need more information about why split the team
[20:26] <JoseBot> 0 I feel we need more information about why split the team received from SergioMeneses
[20:26] <jose> -1 This could bring other consequences in the future, we need to address everything in one shot
[20:26] <JoseBot> -1 This could bring other consequences in the future, we need to address everything in one shot received from jose
[20:26] <jose> #endvote
[20:26] <JoseBot> Voting ended on: continue with the re-verification process or not?
[20:26] <JoseBot> Votes for:1 Votes against:2 Abstentions:1
[20:26] <JoseBot> Motion denied
[20:26] <costales> We could tell that to the rafael_carreras' mail
[20:27] <cubells> Qué fuerte!
[20:27] <PabloRubianes> wagafo alexm this is not against the catalan team, but please understand that we have many other regions from the world that want to divide, but we have a fixed amount of resources
[20:27] <costales> before the meeting :/
[20:27] <jose> so, the re-verification process has been suspended as of now, but let's move on with those questions
[20:27] <jose> resources are just one part of the whole we need to see
[20:28] <jose> so, SergioMeneses, I think you had a question?
[20:28] <josepgallart> :'(
[20:29] <SergioMeneses> I was asking about why the guys dont want to be part of ubuntu-spain?
[20:29] <cubells> SergioMeneses: Because my culture is diferent,
[20:30] <SergioMeneses> is it a problem? language issues? demographic ? geographic?
[20:30] <lluisanunez> It's a matter of language
[20:30] <rafael_carreras> there are some issues here, being the language the first one
[20:30] <cubells> SergioMeneses: because my language is different
[20:30] <alexm> SergioMeneses: because Catalan is also spoken in Andorra, Italy and France
[20:30] <alexm> it doesn't make sense a regional locoteam
[20:31] <PabloRubianes> alexm: we don't have teams by language
[20:31] <costales> alexm, will make sense a locale team?
[20:31] <SergioMeneses> that is a huge problem!
[20:31] <wagafo> One of the main points of the Catalan teeam is to have free software in Catalan, it doesn't make any sense to be within another language, and this said from somebody like myself who is originally Spanish speaker (Uruguay born)
[20:31] <PabloRubianes> if not latin america should be one team
[20:31] <alexm> PabloRubianes: yes you have, and it was approved several years ago, it's us
[20:31] <jose> I repeat, as the *current* rules state (you can check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamRegions to be *even more* specific), "Each team should cover a full country"
[20:32] <PabloRubianes> alexm: catalan team is form cataluña
[20:32] <PabloRubianes> no catalan the language
[20:32] <alexm> no way
[20:32] <rafael_carreras> PabloRubianes: that's not true
[20:32] <wagafo> In a lot of senses the Catalan speaking regions are a country, you should have a broader view, unless Ubuntu becomes partisan on this
[20:32] <cubells> PabloRubianes: ah! you don't understand anything
[20:32] <alexm> it's for us to decide and we don't want to be a regional team
[20:33] <cubells> PabloRubianes: I'm valencian
[20:33] <josepgallart> http://blocs.gencat.cat/blocs/AppPHP/eapc-rld/files/2014/04/Mapa-dialectes-catal%C3%A02.jpg
[20:33] <costales> this will be an interesting point about the "belonging" of a tem (the art of community of Jono Bacon)
[20:33] <jose> again, we're not talking about languages, we're talking about countries
[20:33] <cubells> PabloRubianes: I'm not from catalunya
[20:33] <costales> Una y grande jose
[20:33] <jose> LoCo Teams are for countries
[20:33] <costales> change the rules then
[20:34] <jose> you better than everyone should understand how this works, costales.
[20:34] <wagafo> For states or for countries?
[20:34] <cubells> you are breaking a great community of ubuntu.
[20:34] <jose> it's not a matter of 'just do it'
[20:34] <costales> the Catalan Team did a really great work. Are we not recognized them???
[20:34] <jose> costales: for the fourth consecutive time, read what I said a few lines above.
[20:34] <costales> Jose: then unify USA
[20:34] <jose> have you read the rules?
[20:34] <costales> yes, I did
[20:35] <costales> I don't agree with them
[20:35] <costales> about this point
[20:35] <PabloRubianes> costales: but are the rules
[20:35] <jose> do you know how the LoCo Council works? because as far as I know you're a LoCo Council member, and we *all* know things have to be discussed
[20:35] <costales> It is unfair
[20:35] <PabloRubianes> you have to change them before all this
[20:35] <jose> we're a team, not a single person trying to enforce things
[20:35] <costales> I'm telling my position
[20:35] <costales> as you
[20:36] <jose> then please try to calm down a bit :)
[20:36] <costales> my *personal* position
[20:36] <jose> you're sounding a bit... aggresive
[20:36] <costales> no :)
[20:36] <costales> sorry
[20:37] <jose> PabloRubianes, SergioMeneses: anything else to ask/say?
[20:39] <jose> anyone else, any other points to raise?
[20:39] <SergioMeneses> I want to invite these guys to join us in a talk about this case, maybe we can re-check some points that now are not too clear - imho -
[20:39] <rafael_carreras> as you wish
[20:39] <wagafo> These guys are really depressed, this Saturday we had a great release party, no I think frustrated
[20:40] <SergioMeneses> dont feel sad or mad about this, it is not the end of the world. We are here to help you guys but try to get our point of view as well
[20:41] <SergioMeneses> wagafo, I know but take this like the first step, we need more information in a complete context to get a good answer to you guys
[20:41] <SergioMeneses> it is more than +1 or -1
[20:42] <jose> as of now there's nothing we can instantly do
[20:42] <alexm> you should read the catalan team approval meeting minutes: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2007/05/15/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t03:51
[20:42] <rafael_carreras> thank you alexm
[20:42] <costales> thanks alexm. We'll do!
[20:43] <jose> anything else to say?
[20:44] <jose> otherwise we can go ahead and end the meeting
[20:45] <SergioMeneses> I tell you something,  guys send us an email to our mailing list a we might work there! and try to find the best way for all us!
[20:45] <SergioMeneses> what do you say?
[20:45] <costales> SergioMeneses, what about ast and gl too?
[20:45] <rafael_carreras> ok, I'll send an email
[20:45] <costales> and es-es
[20:46] <jose> costales: off-topic for this meeting's agenda
[20:46] <SergioMeneses> rafael_carreras, perfect!
[20:46] <SergioMeneses> jose, ++
[20:46] <SergioMeneses> I am done!
[20:46] <rafael_carreras> jose: offtopic the topic you talked about today
[20:46] <jose> rafael_carreras: pardon?
[20:47] <rafael_carreras> the meeting said reverification
[20:47] <rafael_carreras> only that
[20:47] <jose> we did a vote and explained why we wouldn't proceed on voting for that at this point
[20:48] <alexm> this meeting it's been a downer
[20:48] <alexm> definitely not the best way to encourage building a community
[20:49] <cubells> alexm: I agree with you
[20:49] <josepgallart> +1 alexm
[20:49] <costales> +1 alexm
[20:49] <alexm> where rules matter more than people something's wrong
[20:49] <jose> if you would like to take it from that point of view, go ahead, but we're taking it as a new start to see if we re-focus current rules
[20:49] <lluisanunez> +1 alexm
[20:50] <wagafo> I feel stupid having work so hard for last Saturday release party
[20:50] <alexm> jose: maybe, but this meeting wasn't the right place nor the right time
[20:50] <wagafo> Exactly, what's the point  of calling for re-verification and slamming a door in our faces?
[20:50] <SergioMeneses> guys I understand your feelings but try to get our point too
[20:50] <jose> I think discussing it/not discussing it at this point is not going to get us anywhere
[20:51] <jose> we didn't call it, *YOU* guys did
[20:51] <SergioMeneses> we want to do the thing right, just that
[20:51] <jose> but anyways
[20:51] <wagafo> do as you wish
[20:51] <rafael_carreras> jose: we did call it because it was time to do it
[20:52] <josepgallart> digueuli que per mi aquestes activitats quedan anulades:XX de novembre de 2014 Festa utòpica  a un lloc encara per determinar. 19 de setembre:Xerrada UBUNTU per usuaris Xerrada: Migració a Libreofice al ajuntament de Caldes a carrec de Josep Gallart DLP 2014 a la Palma de Cervelló,http://www.konfraria.org/dlp2013/index.html 24 de maig de 2014: festa d'instal·lació al Centre Ateneu democràtic i progressista in Caldes de Mon
[20:52] <josepgallart> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CatalanTeam/Activitats
[20:52] <wagafo> josepgallart is cancelling 4 activities he had in the coming weeks
[20:52] <jose> so, as per council decision, this is not leading anywhere, so we're calling this the meeting
[20:52] <jose> #endmeeting
[20:52] <rafael_carreras> that was josepgallart telling that his activities have been cancelled
[20:52] <JoseBot> Meeting ended Tue May 20 20:52:41 2014 UTC.
[20:52] <JoseBot> Minutes:        http://people.ubuntu.com/~joseeantonior/Logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-05-20-20.07.moin.txt
[20:53] <jose> I don't see any reason to, but you guys are the one handling the team
[20:53] <cubells> literalment ens han tancat la porta en la cara...
[20:54] <josepgallart> si ja no tenim equip de que parla??
[20:54] <cubells> alucino pepinos!
[20:54] <rafael_carreras> jose: apparently we are not a team anymore
[20:54] <jose> rafael_carreras: and why is that?
[20:55] <wagafo> The rules, you said, jose
[20:55] <PabloRubianes> wagafo: we are not shutting the team
[20:55] <SergioMeneses> rafael_carreras, wagafo dont be drastic!
[20:55] <costales> rafael_carreras, tomorrow you'll expire
[20:55] <rafael_carreras> because we are a regional thing or something like that
[20:55] <costales> i'm so sorry
[20:55] <wagafo> Well, we feel like that, don't send us the ballpens and such but do support the community
[20:55] <lluisanunez> well, we are becoming unofficial after seven years of good activity!
[20:55] <jose> I can not give you any more advice but to follow your personal judgement, and recommend a 24h cooldown period before continuing this discussion further.
[20:56] <wagafo> Thanks jose, good adivse, but let's see what's left of the Catalan team after this
[20:56] <jose> lluisanunez: there's no 'unofficial' teams
[20:56] <jose> but anyways
[20:57] <rafael_carreras> jose: well, not approved then
[20:57] <jose> I need to get back to other stuff, laters everyone
[20:57] <jose> rafael_carreras: approved isn't the term either :) verified as of now
[20:57] <jose> o/
[20:57] <rafael_carreras> bye
[20:57] <costales> Good bye team
[20:57] <lluisanunez> goodbye costales
[20:58] <costales> my personal apologies
[20:58] <rafael_carreras> thank yu jose, things were different when sabdfl approved us
[20:58] <wagafo> thanks for the support costales
[20:58] <rafael_carreras> yes, thanks costales
[20:58] <costales> we'll working in the issue
[20:58] <costales> I'm sure we'll find a solution
[20:59] <costales> good night
[20:59] <wagafo> Bye costales