[02:21] <Zanehood_> Can I please ask for some help
[02:21] <Zanehood_> Is anyone available?
[02:32] <Zane> Hey I can only boot my ubuntu laptop up with running generic mode
[02:32] <Zane> any idea as to why?
[02:32] <Zane> if i let it run normally the screen gets static all over the screen once i log on and i can not see anythingf
[05:17] <mapps> morning
[07:08] <popey> http://www.jonobacon.org/2014/05/19/goodbye-canonical-hello-xprize/
[07:08] <MartijnVdS> end of an era
[07:08] <popey> ya
[07:08] <nigelb> wow.
[07:15] <ali1234> popey for new community manager?
[07:16] <MartijnVdS> he doesn't say 'community' nearly enough
[07:17] <popey> Yeah, I don't have that skill on my CV
[07:18] <MartijnVdS> popey: can you say "community?
[07:18] <MartijnVdS> "
[07:20] <nigelb> popey: Did Ahmed leave Canonical or is he working on something else?
[07:20] <popey> he left years ago
[07:20] <popey> he wasn't at the company long
[07:21] <nigelb> ahh
[07:21] <nigelb> and jcastro, I guess is doing Juju stuff?
[07:21] <jussi> ACHMED...Silence... err, wait, thats something else :P
[07:22] <jussi> actually, I could so see that...
[07:23] <popey> yeah, jorge is rocking juju
[07:23] <nigelb> :)
[07:23] <jussi> Im calling Mark, to put in my recommendation for popey to be new community manager
[07:24] <nigelb> he'll shut everything down! (sorry popey :P)
[07:27] <jussi> alternately we could have AlanBell as community manager, and everything would have a hencam theme :P
[07:31] <SuperMatt> I'll do it
[07:32] <jussi> SuperMatt: what would your "signature" be? :D
[07:33] <SuperMatt> how do you mean?
[07:33] <SuperMatt> do I have to have hen webcams?
[07:34] <jussi> SuperMatt: no, you need to have $your_thing
[07:34] <jussi> or else you are boring!
[07:35] <SuperMatt> I dance a lot
[07:35] <SuperMatt> is that enough?
[07:38] <jussi> SuperMatt... the dancing community manager! :D
[07:39] <diplo> Morning all
[07:42] <SuperMatt> jussi: I'm not going to be dancing around for the enjoyment of the community
[07:42] <jussi> SuperMatt: you just lost the job...
[07:42] <jussi> :P
[07:43] <SuperMatt> nooooooo
[07:47] <TwistedLucidity> jussi: Ooh, I'd love to see the changelog expressed an interpretive dance.
[07:48] <TwistedLucidity> Aaaaaaand DuckDuckGo re-skinned themselves to look like Windows 8. :-(
[07:48] <TwistedLucidity> Just like KDE
[07:48] <TwistedLucidity> :-((
[07:51] <jussi> yay, yesterday's pizza for lunch
[07:53] <jussi> TwistedLucidity: that could be fun...
[07:53] <jussi> a very different changelog
[08:53] <TwistedLucidity> Pet Peeve #6984: Software that won't work unless the keyboard and regional settings are US English.
[08:54] <TwistedLucidity> Pet Peeve #6985: Server software that requires the server to run X in order to go through installations.
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> .. Oracle?
[08:55] <TwistedLucidity> Close, but not the one I was thinking of
[08:57] <TwistedLucidity> Pet Peeve #1432: Software which requires authentication/licensing before it can be used for more than a trial period (despite us being partners with the vendor)
[08:57] <TwistedLucidity> Pet Peeve #1433: People who consistently forget #1432 when creating VMs and then wonder why things don't work a year later.
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> they're like the Rules of Acquisition
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> but for sysadmins
[09:05] <awilkins> #1434: Software that requires online authentication with a limited number of activations per license, but no sunset date on those activations. Chance of hitting the activation limit for a given user after years of Windows reinstalls = ~ 100%
[09:06] <MartijnVdS> DRM F yeah!
[09:07] <awilkins> #1435: When a third party buys the company who controls the activation server for your software but doesn't carry over the accounts from their support system so you have to navigate the maze of support yet again.
[09:07] <MartijnVdS> at least we don't have dongles anymore.. right?
[09:08] <awilkins> #1436: When you have to develop against the API for a piece of software but they've run an obfuscator over most of it so you are confronted with things like Class A with method b()
[09:08] <awilkins> You might think all three of those apply to the same piece of software, I couldn't possibly comment.
[09:08] <awilkins> People still do dongles
[09:09] <jussi> yeah, ive seen those. CAD software is really bad for dongles
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: at least they're not parallel-port ones anymore I hope?
[09:12] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, You can still <get> them : http://www.keylok.com/products
[09:14] <awilkins> The "Fortress" model sounds like the only one worth using
[09:14] <awilkins> It's the one that runs application code on a secure processor in the dongle
[09:25] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: #1436 should be a non-issue, the API docs should suffice. LOL! I crak me up sometimes....
[09:30] <selinuxium> Morning all
[09:46] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:51] <bashrc> morning
[11:28] <Myrtti> ♥  https://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/14042214478/  ♥
[11:31] <DJones> Myrtti: Do you have arthritis in your hands & fingers? My wife & her mum do something similar either crochet or knitting and stitch them together to make baby blankets, they've done so much of it their fingers & hands are knackered
[11:31] <Myrtti> DJones: I don't do that much crochet, and I knit Continental style. continental is quicker and easier on hands than the english method
[11:32] <Myrtti> someone even recommended it to people with arthritis, but I don't know if it really is better, but I assume it is
[11:32] <DJones> I'll have to suggest that to them
[11:34] <Myrtti> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuRLFl36tDY
[11:34] <DJones> Knowing how long they spend making squares, i'm impressed with number you've done
[11:35] <DJones> More so if you've spun the the wool as well
[11:35] <Myrtti> granny squares are so easy to make it took me about three nights to do those
[11:36] <Myrtti> had to order more wool though, I can't finish these with the yarn I've got
[11:36] <DJones> Sheesh, thats quick
[11:38] <Myrtti> the purling is taught totally weirdly on that video
[11:43] <diplo> I've written a backup script in python, works fairly well.. mounts a usb drive, copies files from src to dest in <day>/srcdir/files etc
[11:43] <diplo> Always has run as root
[11:43] <diplo> I've been asked to be able to manually run it
[11:43] <diplo> as a standard user
[11:44] <diplo> Thus I'm guessing using sudoers to allow them to do things
[11:44] <diplo> Set NOPASSWD should stop prompt of password if my script does sudo python  path/to/script
[11:44] <diplo> ?
[11:45] <diplo> I've never played with sudo and it seems straight forward but still getting prompted for password
[11:47] <Myrtti> that sounds like a road to hell, is it for personal/family use or something more nefarious?
[11:48] <diplo> Work, very old systems
[11:48] <diplo> Basically want to backup cisam db to usb drive before running updates
[11:48] <diplo> Customer wants to back up himself to save calling
[11:48] <diplo> Open to any other ways of doing it :)
[11:52] <awilkins> setuid
[11:53] <awilkins> But very evil
[11:53] <awilkins> But less evil that sudo with no passwd
[11:56] <Myrtti> indeed
[11:56] <awilkins> Hang on, c-isam DB?
[11:56] <awilkins> Does the DB process have access? Is it root?
[12:03] <Myrtti> I tried to make a video of how fast I crochet but I couldn't keep the camera steady enough under my chin :-(
[12:05] <diplo> cisam db, but it needs to be run as a user awilkins
[12:05] <diplo> Basically need to mount a usb drive and create/delete directories
[12:05] <awilkins> Does the DB have a "dump" utility or are you backing up the raw storage files?
[12:06] <awilkins> Or are the elevated permissions more about mounting a USB drive than accessing the data?
[12:06] <diplo> Raw storage files
[12:07] <diplo> Yeah it's about mounting/creating dirs/ deleting dirs
[12:08] <diplo> And no dump util, very old version.. all we do is install drivers and thats it
[12:08] <awilkins> So.. should be able to stick the volume you are mounting to into /etc/fstab with option noauto
[12:09] <diplo> I have debated doing that, but the only downside is the customer has 6 seperate drives so I guess I'd just have to stick all five UUID's in
[12:11] <awilkins> no FUSE for this system?
[12:12] <diplo> yeah should have thought so, am I overthinking stuff ? :)
[12:13] <awilkins> Dunno, I have root on everything I use so I just use sudo :-)
[12:13] <diplo> I do normally, my colleages have implemented this all over ( I don't think it has worked on any site and they haven't checked I'm guessing )
[12:14] <diplo> As the script runs as root normally they just expected it to work, I looked at one of the sites this morning and asked how do you expect this to work
[12:14] <awilkins> Any backup is only as successful as your last restore
[12:14] <diplo> "Dunno, just thought it would"
[12:14] <diplo> awilkins, exactly what I've been trying to say to them
[12:43] <MooDoo> howdy all
[12:43] <MartijnVdS>  \o
[12:44] <MooDoo> Just read about Jono....wow ace move
[12:46] <MooDoo> wonder if they will have another UCM?
[12:54] <DJones> I nominate MooDoo a UCM
[12:54] <DJones> Or maybe cz[Tab]
[12:56] <MooDoo> DJones: don't be silly :)
[12:57] <MooDoo> DJones: now jono has left, I've installed fedora ;) lol
[12:57] <DJones> Heh
[13:00]  * davmor2 slaps MooDoo till he reinstalls Ubuntu that or windows as he knows that is really MooDoo 's favourite distro
[13:02] <awilkins> Whoa, http://www.muktware.com/2014/02/valve-offers-free-games-ubuntu-developers/20827 : (found that in the hops away from the Jono Bacon article)
[13:02] <awilkins> Wonder if a couple of patches in Bazaar counts :-P
[13:03] <awilkins>  Bah, "people who can upload to Ubuntu central archive"
[13:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: sir, don't be silly DOS is my fave distro :p
[13:04] <awilkins> CP/M is my favourite distro!
[13:04] <awilkins> The Epson PX-8 is my favourite laptop that runs my favourite distro
[15:19] <ali1234> question: if a colo company goes bust with my hardware, what can i do?
[15:21] <awilkins> Take it back? Not like they own it, they are just renting it a rack
[15:21] <ali1234> how?
[15:21] <awilkins> I presume you could send someone round to collect it
[15:21] <awilkins> Or go around yourself
[15:22] <awilkins> Baliff?
[15:22] <ali1234> yeah so i go to the datacenter and say "hi, i'm a customer of this hosting provider that no longer exists. please let me in to collect my stuff"?
[15:23] <awilkins> You can't be the only person to be doing it
[15:23] <ali1234> we don't even know what data center it is in
[15:23] <ali1234> the company has completely cut off all contact
[15:23] <awilkins> That makes things somewhat more awkward
[15:24] <awilkins> This a UK company?
[15:24] <ali1234> yes
[15:24] <awilkins> So they hold data on where your hardware is located, so under the data protection act you are entitled to know that stuff
[15:25] <TwistedLucidity> ali1234: Contact the receivers
[15:26] <ali1234> here's the twist: they went bankrupt 2 years ago
[15:26] <ali1234> the server was sitting in the data center for 2 years
[15:26] <ali1234> the first we found out about it was a week ago when it went offline
[15:34] <Myrtti> wow
[15:34] <Myrtti> that's harsh
[15:45] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... htop gave me an "uptime" of just under 4 days. considering I turned the pooter off last night that might just make me more of Dr. Who than Dr. Who.
[15:45] <SuperEngineer> [following a full bleachbit & restart - it is now accurate....  double hmmmm
[15:46] <awilkins> Maybe the CMOS clock was empty
[15:46] <awilkins> Or slow
[15:48] <SuperEngineer> awilkins: so sys time is correct but it got lazz overnight?  darn! remid me to put more petrol in it next time ;)
[15:48] <SuperEngineer> lazz=lazy
[16:46] <dvrr> how to configure ldap+samba windows client centos 6.x   please help me
[16:47] <daftykins> we don't support CentOS.
[16:47] <daftykins> the clue's in the topic and channel name
[16:51] <dvrr> in ubuntu 12.10  please guide me
[16:51] <daftykins> 12.10 is EOL
[16:52] <daftykins> !eol
[16:53] <diddledan_> bbl
[16:58] <dvrr> i updated all packages
[17:00] <dvrr> daftykins:
[17:00] <daftykins> dvrr: 12.10 is EOL, you'll need to be running 12.04.4, 13.10 or 14.04
[17:04] <TwistedLucidity> dvvr: "sudo apt-get do-release-upgrade" and get on to 13.10 or 14.04
[17:05] <TwistedLucidity> Then worry about ldap+samba
[17:05] <TwistedLucidity> If this is a server, I don't think the "official" server version (14.04.1) is out yet.
[17:05] <TwistedLucidity> Someone please correct me if I'm wrong
[17:05] <daftykins> 14.04 server is still server, .1 is just the first release update
[17:06] <daftykins> that's just the point when LTS -> LTS upgrade becomes available
[17:06] <TwistedLucidity> Yeah, that's what I meant
[17:06] <TwistedLucidity> daftykins: Thanks for making it clear
[17:06] <daftykins> np :)
[17:08] <dvrr> thank you very much given support i will do now
[17:19] <Myrtti> awwwww kittens
[17:19] <Myrtti> http://new.livestream.com/tinykittens/dancing
[17:22] <daftykins> zomg
[17:25] <daftykins> omw, a minimal 14.04 install uses 933MB disk space
[17:25] <daftykins> what's going on with that?!
[17:28] <daftykins> Myrtti: heh mama kitty's face when one of them started climbing over her
[17:28] <daftykins> "WAT!"
[17:49] <diddledan> morning
[17:52] <daftykins> diddledan: o/
[17:52] <daftykins> diddledan: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mns8dwhrj0w6e3g/IMG_20140520_183905.jpg
[17:53] <diddledan> yummy
[17:54] <daftykins> :D
[17:56] <diddledan> that tiny kittens is compulsive
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> hey man thanks for defining the word “many” for me. it means a lot
[18:02] <daftykins> err
[18:02] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: hmm? :)
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: read it again
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> slowly
[18:02] <daftykins> nope, drawing a blank
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> what does 'many' mean?
[18:03] <daftykins> more than one
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> or.. "a lot"
[18:03] <daftykins> yeah still fails with me out of context as it is :(
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> it's a joke, there is no context?
[18:03] <diddledan> I think it's self-contained
[18:04] <diddledan> it means a lot vs it means "a lot"
[18:04] <daftykins> diddledan: you need to weigh-in in #ubuntu, there are guys talking about gentoo being great for servers ;)
[18:05] <diddledan> ooh
[18:05] <daftykins> well they actually stopped thankfully
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> weirdos
[18:05] <daftykins> as it's off topic
[18:05] <diddledan> aww I misseded it
[18:06] <ali1234> yeah so apparently this server is now co-located in the cloud :(
[18:06] <diddledan> ali1234, :-(
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> so.. it went to heaven?
[18:06] <diddledan> ali1234, do you at least have any backups?
[18:06] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: exactly
[18:07] <ali1234> diddledan: it was a google mini, there's nothing to back up, it just indexes another server
[18:07] <diddledan> totally sucks that the colo co didn't even tell you they were shutting shop
[18:08] <ali1234> well they didn't have to
[18:08] <ali1234> see, the thing is...
[18:08] <ali1234> there's the web dev company, the colo company, and the data center
[18:08] <ali1234> the web devs had a contract to host the mini at the data center
[18:09] <ali1234> the web devs knew that the colo company was shutting down but didn't do anything
[18:09] <diddledan> >.<
[18:09] <ali1234> so apparently last week the datacenter did some kind of audit and found a server that nobody was paying for
[18:09] <ali1234> and then disconnected it
[18:09] <ali1234> but we don't even know which datacenter is it in
[18:10] <daftykins> damn
[18:10] <directhex> IP?
[18:10] <ali1234> directhex: pm'd
[18:13] <directhex> alentus?
[18:13] <ali1234> right, that's the colo company which seems to no longer be trading
[18:14] <directhex> hm, they have(had?) 8 different colo sites
[18:14] <directhex> more than
[18:17] <ali1234> the IP is now pointing at a different server, which is really weird
[18:17] <ali1234> and the UK subsidiary appears to have done a runner and is now just an unmaintained website and a telephone answering service that goes nowhere
[18:29] <shauno> so we can expect to find a cheap google mini on ebay?
[18:30] <ali1234> probably
[19:33] <daftykins> ooh my
[19:34] <daftykins> i could buy 8GB DDR3 1600, a haswell i3-4130 and an Asus H81-M motherboard for £142.48
[20:53] <diddledan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lVH3ogPE0w
[23:34] <lazarus_> what is the correct way to use zenity --progress because i dont think im doing it right unless you assign the % values manually which isnt accurate