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| ochosi | morning everyone | 07:14 |
|---|---|---|
| elfy | morning ochosi | 07:15 |
| ochosi | just sent out the ultimate "please add/remove software X"-temptation email to the devel ML | 07:28 |
| elfy | I hope you [TEAM]'d it :D | 07:29 |
| elfy | that'll make all the difference apparently ... | 07:29 |
| ali1234 | i think you all have deficient email clients | 07:30 |
| ali1234 | if you can't keep up with the flood of messages on xubuntu-devel | 07:30 |
| ali1234 | it must be what, 5 a day? | 07:31 |
| elfy | ali1234: I don't have an issue with that at all | 07:31 |
| ochosi | ali1234: i wanted to ask you this before, but would something like a fade-to-black before the X11 screensaver blanks the screen be best implemented in the compositor or somewhere else? | 07:42 |
| ali1234 | that should be in the screensaver i think | 07:43 |
| ochosi | ok | 07:44 |
| ochosi | knome: can we have social sharing buttons on the xubuntu.org/news posts? | 07:45 |
| ali1234 | i have a plugin for that which does not rely on any funky api nonsense | 07:49 |
| ochosi | knome: ^ :) | 07:50 |
| ochosi | ali1234: i'm not sure though it'll be easy to install plugins there with the little amount of control we seem to have over the installation... | 07:51 |
| ali1234 | probably not, no | 07:51 |
| ochosi | also, those changes seem to take forever every time | 07:51 |
| ali1234 | you can put it in the theme functions.php though | 07:51 |
| ochosi | the locking article could've been published two months ago almost | 07:51 |
| ochosi | we couldn't add the css, so i doubt we can edit functions.php :) | 07:51 |
| ali1234 | https://github.com/ali1234/share-buttons | 07:54 |
| ali1234 | probably has many bugs | 07:54 |
| ochosi | :) | 07:54 |
| ochosi | ali1234: if there's anything you'd wanna work on in this cycle feel free to let me know so we can add it to a blueprint | 07:55 |
| ali1234 | fixing bugs... | 07:55 |
| ali1234 | i want to fix this xfce panel bug with multimonitor, but it is a really deep problem | 07:56 |
| ali1234 | also corner tiling | 07:56 |
| ochosi | right, corner tiling | 08:00 |
| ochosi | those are mostly things we'd wanna fix upstream | 08:01 |
| ochosi | and try to get a new xfwm4 release into utopic | 08:01 |
| knome | we can edit functions.php... but it's not any easier than getting a plugin in | 09:51 |
| knome | and since it is so, i'd rather keep it out of the theme :) | 09:52 |
| knome | i can't see any plugins for that, but we should probably ask canonical first if they had some "known" ones they'd prefer us to use | 09:53 |
| knome | ochosi, re: blueprints, is there something that you'd like me to work on during the next cycle that is or isn't on the blueprints yet? | 10:27 |
| ochosi | knome: it'd be great if you could work a bit on the "document our processes" stuff | 10:29 |
| ochosi | because you know a lot (maybe the most) about that | 10:29 |
| ochosi | and it'd be sustainable to write it down | 10:29 |
| ochosi | as long as you still remember it ;) | 10:30 |
| knome | i've been putting it down as i've noticed it's missing | 10:30 |
| ochosi | cool | 10:31 |
| knome | i added greybird-a11y to the artwork blueprint | 10:31 |
| knome | as you probably notices | 10:31 |
| knome | *noticed | 10:31 |
| ochosi | yup | 10:31 |
| knome | what about the wallpaper? | 10:31 |
| knome | do you want me to keep thinking about it? | 10:32 |
| ochosi | well i'm happy if you wanna keep working on that | 10:32 |
| knome | i can do that | 10:32 |
| ochosi | i didn't assign it to you straight away because you said you wanted a break | 10:32 |
| knome | just assigned myself | 10:32 |
| ochosi | and i wasn't sure what that entailed | 10:32 |
| knome | well, yeah, a break from leading responsibilities | 10:32 |
| ochosi | sure | 10:32 |
| knome | i'm still doing this and that in the ubuntu community, so... | 10:33 |
| knome | btw, we got green light for our loco theme from the trademarks team | 10:33 |
| knome | refresher: this one: http://ufistaging.lallinaho.fi/ | 10:33 |
| ochosi | congrats | 10:33 |
| ochosi | yeah, i remember | 10:33 |
| knome | yeah, and the web team is interested to work with me | 10:33 |
| ochosi | hey, running off to other teams is TABOO! :) | 10:34 |
| knome | lol | 10:34 |
| knome | just on the theme ;) | 10:34 |
| knome | and to be clear: the canonical web team | 10:34 |
| knome | not the community :P | 10:34 |
| ochosi | oh, $$$ :D | 10:35 |
| knome | haha! | 10:35 |
| knome | not really i suspect | 10:35 |
| knome | but hey, who knows what comes out of it | 10:35 |
| knome | i'm not keeping hopes or specifically trying to follow that path in the hoep of moolah | 10:35 |
| ochosi | if you have other ideas for the blueprints, please feel free to just add them | 10:37 |
| ochosi | we can have a discussion over what gets in at a meeting or so | 10:37 |
| knome | i'll do tht | 10:37 |
| knome | but probably not too much | 10:37 |
| knome | i'm avoiding thinking :P | 10:38 |
| ochosi | but for now we still have this post-LTS vacuum | 10:38 |
| knome | yep | 10:38 |
| knome | perfect time to work on other projects | 10:38 |
| knome | and non-release-schedule-based ones | 10:38 |
| ochosi | yeah, i still would like to see ali1234's panel-switch app in xubuntu | 10:42 |
| ochosi | (well, ideally upstream directly in the panel, but hey...) | 10:42 |
| knome | yeah, that'd be nice | 10:42 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: do you need anything else for the 1.8.5 sync request? | 10:59 |
| ochosi | or do we just wait at this point | 10:59 |
| bluesabre | nope, actually uploading the debdiffs right now | 11:00 |
| ochosi | also, as a member of the US part of our team, what other meeting time would work for you? | 11:00 |
| ochosi | i'm considering scheduling another meeting soon | 11:00 |
| ochosi | and wanna try a different daytime agai | 11:00 |
| ochosi | n | 11:00 |
| bluesabre | any time before 12mm UTC was actually quite good for me, other than that, anytime after 11pm UTC | 11:01 |
| bluesabre | otherwise I take my laptop to work and tether to my phone | 11:01 |
| ochosi | ok, thanks for the heads up | 11:03 |
| ochosi | pleia2: as another member from the US, what time works for you? | 11:03 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: shall we try to look at the lid bug again tonight? | 11:04 |
| bluesabre | yeah, I'll try to make it online at a reasonable time | 11:05 |
| ochosi | ok cool | 11:05 |
| ochosi | if you can, lemme know if you can't make it | 11:05 |
| ochosi | or if you prefer the other way round, that also works :) | 11:06 |
| ochosi | (just so that i know how hard to try to be online) | 11:06 |
| bluesabre | :) | 11:08 |
| bluesabre | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1320830 | 11:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1320830 in lightdm-gtk-greeter (Ubuntu) "Please merge lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.8.5-1 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 11:08 |
| ochosi | so is there anyone to poke or will it just get done? | 11:10 |
| bluesabre | the sponsors will probably pick it up | 11:10 |
| bluesabre | or maybe I can poke Logan_ or micahg | 11:10 |
| bluesabre | :) | 11:11 |
| ochosi | sounds good :) | 11:11 |
| ochosi | bbabl | 11:18 |
| ochosi | elfy: we have a staging PPA now, as soon as there are packages for it, this one and the xubuntu-dev one will be used for testing: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xubuntu-staging | 14:42 |
| ochosi | fyi, micahg rejected creating one PPA per series, because PPAs can hold multiple series (which is true) | 14:43 |
| knome | ochosi, sure, otoh, we might not want to test *all of it* in the a release | 15:04 |
| knome | or to put it otherwise, all packages in the PPA might not be relevant | 15:04 |
| ochosi | knome: yeah, ppl will have to filter the view according to the release they're using to see the relevant packages | 15:42 |
| ochosi | (in launchpad) | 15:42 |
| ochosi | for installing packages it mostly won't matter | 15:43 |
| knome | well, that's not what i meant | 15:43 |
| knome | well, for installing packages it might matter | 15:43 |
| ochosi | not sure i get what you mean | 15:43 |
| knome | nvm | 15:44 |
| knome | too hot to explain | 15:44 |
| ochosi | ali1234: say, would it be possible to convert all trayicons to "indicators" in the sense that they'd be toggle-buttons with left-click menus attached? | 15:51 |
| ochosi | i mean in the panel | 15:51 |
| knome | where else do we have trayicons than panel? :P | 16:05 |
| ochosi | well one way would be to create panel-plugins for specific things, like nm-applet | 16:06 |
| ochosi | (as an alternative to the indicators, i mean) | 16:06 |
| elfy | ochosi: thanks | 16:16 |
| pleia2 | ochosi: any time after 1700 UTC (can usually do 1600, but in the winter that's early) | 16:40 |
| ochosi | pleia2: ok, thanks, will try to set the next meeting time so you'll be able to make it | 16:44 |
| ochosi | any specific weekdays that don't work? | 16:44 |
| pleia2 | ochosi: nope, all are fine | 16:45 |
| ochosi | ok | 16:58 |
| ochosi | will try to set a meeting asap then | 16:58 |
| pleia2 | hooray blueprints | 16:59 |
| ochosi | elfy: well it *is* moving forward, yeah | 19:48 |
| ochosi | i think that we know how to fix the bug and that we have a semi-working patch | 19:48 |
| ochosi | but it still needs to be tweaked and maybe eve extended a little | 19:48 |
| elfy | ok cool ty | 19:48 |
| ochosi | we actually planned to sit down tonight and take a look at it (we = me and bluesabre) | 19:49 |
| elfy | aah ok - I'll see what piskie has to show me tomorrow | 19:50 |
| ochosi | yup, we'll try to keep you posted | 19:57 |
| ochosi | pleia2: i presume the posts on xubuntu.org/news don't land on gÃ+ automagically, right? | 21:33 |
| pleia2 | ochosi: nope, facebook is the only magic | 21:33 |
| ochosi | if that is the case, would you mind putting the last one about locking to g+ (and along the way show me how?) | 21:33 |
| pleia2 | ochosi: you can do it! I can show you how | 21:34 |
| ochosi | could we make the g+ thingy automatic too though? | 21:34 |
| pleia2 | no, G+ sucks and has no api | 21:34 |
| ochosi | oh :/ | 21:34 |
| knome | ochosi, interested in twitter as well? :) | 21:34 |
| pleia2 | ochosi: go to your google plus page and click on your face in the top right and select "Xubuntu" page | 21:34 |
| ochosi | knome: nah, i'm only interested in the things i'm using myself ;) | 21:34 |
| knome | hehe, sure | 21:35 |
| pleia2 | once that loads can just add in a link to the link thingy, usually I say some stuff about the post too | 21:35 |
| knome | i'll tweet it anyway though | 21:35 |
| pleia2 | knome: thanks :) | 21:35 |
| knome | tweeted | 21:35 |
| ochosi | knome: thanks :) you know that i *meant* "interested in doing myself.." | 21:35 |
| knome | ochosi, yeah, that's ok, i can keep managing the twitter account | 21:36 |
| ochosi | btw, why the news and blog duplication on x.org? | 21:36 |
| knome | hm? | 21:36 |
| pleia2 | news and blog are different things (and blog includes news) | 21:37 |
| knome | the blog has *all* articles | 21:37 |
| knome | news are announcements | 21:37 |
| knome | articles is pretty much everything else | 21:37 |
| knome | but practically we could have even more categories | 21:37 |
| knome | they would all show up in blog | 21:38 |
| knome | but not in news/articles | 21:38 |
| pleia2 | suppose we should write FAQ soon | 21:38 |
| knome | we haven't done that in a few cycles | 21:38 |
| pleia2 | but now I'm giving myself work :( who made me talk in here | 21:38 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 21:38 |
| knome | 12.10 last one | 21:38 |
| pleia2 | yeah, it's time again I think | 21:38 |
| knome | yep, at least for LTS releases | 21:38 |
| knome | that said, we might want to review the wording at the help page | 21:39 |
| knome | "Also visit our Frequently Asked Questions, available for Xubuntu 11.10 and onward." | 21:39 |
| knome | i wonder if bruno would be willing to continue this trend of the FAQ articles, would take the workload off of pleia2 | 21:39 |
| knome | and is something that can be done in small junks at a time | 21:40 |
| knome | which, afaiu, is required at the moment for work for bruno | 21:40 |
| ochosi | pleia2: could you check whether it got posted? it first seemed it didnt, then it seemed like it did twice... my connection is a bit flaky here | 21:43 |
| pleia2 | ochosi: posted twice at first, but looks good now | 21:44 |
| ochosi | ok, ty | 21:44 |
| ochosi | Ã+1'd and reshared | 21:44 |
| knome | Ã ? | 21:44 |
| knome | :P | 21:44 |
| ochosi | yeah, i have no idea why my screen session has lost its ability to handle odd characters | 21:46 |
| ochosi | i only see question marks on black ground for the tilde | 21:47 |
| knome | huhu | 21:47 |
| ochosi | (and i can't even remove it by backspacing it away) | 21:47 |
| ochosi | maybe it's also irssi | 21:47 |
| knome | mm | 21:48 |
| knome | i'm too lazy to debug it with you now, but ask me some time later | 21:48 |
| ochosi | will try something now... | 21:49 |
| ochosi | fixed | 21:51 |
| knome | :) | 21:52 |
| ochosi | hey Noskcaj_ | 22:08 |
| Noskcaj_ | hey ochosi | 22:09 |
| ochosi | welcome back - good to see you around again :) | 22:09 |
| ochosi | to answer your question from the mailinglist | 22:09 |
| ochosi | i haven't set the next meeting time yet | 22:10 |
| Noskcaj_ | I think i said this in the mailing list, but the hardware part of my dev pc is finally working, and i should have a new laptop later this week | 22:10 |
| knome | allö Noskcaj_, and welcome to assign yourself some work items ;) | 22:10 |
| Noskcaj_ | ok | 22:10 |
| Noskcaj_ | hey knome | 22:10 |
| Noskcaj_ | not quite yet | 22:10 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj_: just wondering, what daytime/nighttime (in UTC) would be good for you in terms of meetings? | 22:11 |
| Noskcaj_ | ochosi: 2000-2200UTC, or 0800-1200UTC | 22:12 |
| Noskcaj_ | 6-8am and 4-8pm in my time | 22:13 |
| ochosi | ok, good to know | 22:13 |
| ochosi | just trying to figure out a different meeting time for the next meeting :) | 22:13 |
| Noskcaj_ | Are there any issues with booting to uefi? | 22:14 |
| Noskcaj_ | My live usb is broken | 22:14 |
| ochosi | no idea, i don't have such a new machine ;) | 22:16 |
| ochosi | Unit193: as another US based member, would 20UTC work for you? | 23:19 |
| ochosi | or, what other times would/nt work | 23:19 |
| elfy | hi ochosi | 23:19 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Sounds do-able, aye. | 23:19 |
| ochosi | ok, then i'll do a US friendly version this time around | 23:20 |
| knome | 20UTC is getting kind of pretty late here, but i can do that | 23:20 |
| elfy | knome: you utc+2 atm? | 23:21 |
| knome | +3 | 23:21 |
| elfy | aah - normally +2 | 23:21 |
| knome | (yes it's 2am+ here now and i'm still up, no complaints about 20UTC i guess ;)) | 23:22 |
| knome | yeah, but DST stuff | 23:22 |
| elfy | ha ha ha | 23:22 |
| Unit193 | 1900 worked for me too. :P | 23:23 |
| * elfy sends pa bug and watches it disappear for ever | 23:23 | |
| ochosi | there'll always be problems | 23:24 |
| ochosi | frankly i wouldn't mind if we just managed to fix two meeting times | 23:24 |
| ochosi | and alternate between the two | 23:24 |
| ochosi | but for now let's try to let the chairs decide | 23:24 |
| elfy | that would be better I think than random times decided by chairs | 23:24 |
| elfy | but yea | 23:24 |
| knome | i think it's a great incentive for the chairs to decide the meetings | 23:25 |
| ochosi | anyway, meeting-time set | 23:27 |
| ochosi | Unit193: care to update the google-cal? | 23:27 |
| Unit193 | Just to make sure, can you tell me exactly when? | 23:27 |
| knome | i can update. | 23:28 |
| ochosi | may 26, 20utc | 23:28 |
| ochosi | (just sent the email to the ML) | 23:28 |
| knome | done | 23:28 |
| Unit193 | Ah, hasn't hit me yet. I could just fine but looks ^ | 23:28 |
| Unit193 | knome: Thanks. | 23:29 |
| knome | i have the calendar set in a really accessible fashion right now | 23:29 |
| knome | so if you need somebody to add anything, it's just a few clikcs | 23:29 |
| ochosi | you do? | 23:29 |
| knome | yeah | 23:29 |
| ochosi | i'd like to have that too | 23:29 |
| knome | i have it on lightbird on thunderbird | 23:29 |
| ochosi | i just have a very very slow tab in firefox | 23:29 |
| * ochosi would really love to see a calendar app in xubuntu that works with google-calendar | 23:29 | |
| knome | well, thunderbird ;) | 23:29 |
| ochosi | meh | 23:30 |
| knome | hah. | 23:30 |
| knome | yeah, works for me, probably not something for default setup | 23:30 |
| ochosi | thunderbird reminds me too much of those very very slow tabs in firefox | 23:30 |
| knome | :D | 23:30 |
| knome | oh btw, | 23:30 |
| Unit193 | I have junk/gcalset if I want to set an Xubuntu meeting. | 23:30 |
| knome | what's the limit on the meeting scheduling? | 23:30 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: gcalcli+conky? | 23:30 |
| knome | does slickymaster basically need to schedule for week 23? | 23:31 |
| ochosi | Unit193: have a conkyrc for that handy? | 23:31 |
| Unit193 | Not so pretty, but yep. | 23:31 |
| knome | or does it slide | 23:31 |
| ochosi | knome: i'd like to discuss the rhythm at the next meeting | 23:31 |
| knome | goodie. | 23:31 |
| ochosi | i'm actually rather relaxed about that in general | 23:31 |
| knome | just popped up in my mind.. | 23:31 |
| ochosi | when we need it, we'll have weekly meetings | 23:32 |
| knome | yeah, i guess it's better that way | 23:32 |
| knome | though, there should be technically some limitation | 23:32 |
| ochosi | as long as we don't, we can have one every two weeks | 23:32 |
| knome | "at most 2 weeks from the last meeting" | 23:32 |
| knome | so the schedule is kind of organic | 23:32 |
| ochosi | yeah | 23:32 |
| knome | but still keeps us with meetings | 23:32 |
| ochosi | i'm wondering whether we should write this down somewhere | 23:33 |
| knome | probably when it's decided | 23:33 |
| knome | can go on the Processes page | 23:33 |
| ochosi | just sending it to the ML sometimes feels like... echo "blah" > /dev/null | 23:33 |
| elfy | put it on a m/l with [TEAM] | 23:33 |
| knome | if you think "for the next meeting", i can just repeat myself | 23:33 |
| elfy | ochosi: oh - so it's not just me then :p | 23:33 |
| knome | elfy, definitely not just you... | 23:34 |
| Unit193 | ~/.gcalclirc: [gcalcli]\nuser: ochosi\npw: mylittlepasswordismagic then pop something like ${execpi 300 gcalcli --conky --cals=all agenda `date +%m/%d/%Y` `date +%m/%d/%Y -d "2 days"`} in .conky | 23:34 |
| elfy | another bug reported on the tracker that looks like it should be against a testcase and not xfce4-settings | 23:34 |
| ochosi | part of the problem is that there is no big tradition in this team to use the mailinglist | 23:34 |
| ochosi | for internal communication | 23:34 |
| ochosi | most people are on IRC anyways | 23:36 |
| ochosi | and most members of -team have a remote login | 23:36 |
| knome | ...and we've kind of wanted to support that | 23:36 |
| elfy | well 2 at least only have that because someone else in -team offered it | 23:37 |
| elfy | and having IRC as the way to communicate - doesn't mean that it happens | 23:37 |
| elfy | not all of us are in other channels | 23:37 |
| ochosi | yeah, easy enough to join though | 23:38 |
| ochosi | i'd expect everyone to be in the channels relevant to him/her anyway | 23:38 |
| elfy | that's not the point ;) | 23:38 |
| knome | maybe they should ;) | 23:39 |
| elfy | [19:03] <elfy> I suspect there were bits in xfce channels, bits in shimmer - there were certainly bits in here | 23:39 |
| elfy | [19:07] <bluesabre> indeed | 23:39 |
| elfy | [19:07] <bluesabre> lots of bits in shimmer | 23:39 |
| elfy | [19:07] <bluesabre> tbh | 23:39 |
| knome | well, that's not what i meant either :) | 23:39 |
| elfy | here being -offtopic | 23:39 |
| knome | i acknowledge the problem with #shimmer specifically | 23:40 |
| knome | what i mean is other ubuntu channels, like #ubuntu-release or #ubuntu-quality | 23:40 |
| bluesabre | d'oh, logged by elfy | 23:46 |
| Unit193 | >_> | 23:47 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: this should be pretty much the appdata stuff for parole: http://dpaste.com/2ANB2A7/ | 23:50 |
| knome | i'm off | 23:50 |
| ochosi | night knome | 23:51 |
| knome | hf everybody, and see you later | 23:51 |
| knome | nighty night | 23:51 |
| elfy | me too - night all | 23:51 |
| bluesabre | seeya knome and elfy | 23:51 |
| ochosi | night elfy | 23:51 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: cool, that seems simple enough | 23:51 |
| ochosi | yup, sucks a bit that we have to keep that release-list up to date | 23:52 |
| ochosi | that's the most annoying overhead part i can see for now | 23:52 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 23:52 |
| bluesabre | we can probably script that | 23:52 |
| bluesabre | and put it into configure.ac.in | 23:52 |
| ochosi | anyway, i'll ping hughsie and ask him to review it | 23:52 |
| bluesabre | ok | 23:52 |
| ochosi | yeah, but incl the release-mail? | 23:52 |
| bluesabre | that might be tricky | 23:53 |
| ochosi | i mean that link doesn't seem very scriptable.. | 23:53 |
| ochosi | anyhow, i'll let you know once i got this figured out | 23:53 |
| bluesabre | does it need to be the release mail, we could alternatively link to release announcements I throw onto my site | 23:53 |
| ochosi | or the git commit id | 23:54 |
| bluesabre | that works | 23:54 |
| ochosi | Unit193: i presume the compton stuff can be put in /xdg ? | 23:54 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: yeah, sure, but release-mails are nicer (changelog etc) | 23:54 |
| bluesabre | true | 23:54 |
| saxx_ | Hey | 23:54 |
| bluesabre | but | 23:54 |
| bluesabre | it will be impossible to include the current version's release mail | 23:54 |
| bluesabre | because of that link | 23:55 |
| bluesabre | hey saxx_, what's up? | 23:55 |
| ochosi | unless you update the appdata file only *after* the release | 23:55 |
| ochosi | :) | 23:55 |
| bluesabre | so... release, modify released tarball? | 23:55 |
| ochosi | good point though, this is something to ask hughsie | 23:55 |
| saxx_ | Hey Blue, just messing around customizing stuff, just done a fresh install | 23:55 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: https://github.com/chjj/compton/blob/master/src/compton.c#L5145 | 23:56 |
| ochosi | Unit193: a simple "yes" would've sufficed though :) | 23:57 |
| Unit193 | Oh, right. Words. :( | 23:57 |
| ochosi | as you seem interested in the compton file, would that be a workitem you'd take for 14.10? | 23:58 |
| Unit193 | I've used compton, but I purged it a while ago. | 23:58 |
| ochosi | is that a yes or a no..? :) | 23:59 |
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