[07:14] <ochosi> morning everyone
[07:15] <elfy> morning ochosi 
[07:28] <ochosi> just sent out the ultimate "please add/remove software X"-temptation email to the devel ML
[07:29] <elfy> I hope you [TEAM]'d it :D
[07:29] <elfy> that'll make all the difference apparently ... 
[07:30] <ali1234> i think you all have deficient email clients
[07:30] <ali1234> if you can't keep up with the flood of messages on xubuntu-devel
[07:31] <ali1234> it must be what, 5 a day?
[07:31] <elfy> ali1234: I don't have an issue with that at all
[07:42] <ochosi> ali1234: i wanted to ask you this before, but would something like a fade-to-black before the X11 screensaver blanks the screen be best implemented in the compositor or somewhere else?
[07:43] <ali1234> that should be in the screensaver i think
[07:44] <ochosi> ok
[07:45] <ochosi> knome: can we have social sharing buttons on the xubuntu.org/news posts?
[07:49] <ali1234> i have a plugin for that which does not rely on any funky api nonsense
[07:50] <ochosi> knome: ^ :)
[07:51] <ochosi> ali1234: i'm not sure though it'll be easy to install plugins there with the little amount of control we seem to have over the installation...
[07:51] <ali1234> probably not, no
[07:51] <ochosi> also, those changes seem to take forever every time
[07:51] <ali1234> you can put it in the theme functions.php though
[07:51] <ochosi> the locking article could've been published two months ago almost
[07:51] <ochosi> we couldn't add the css, so i doubt we can edit functions.php :)
[07:54] <ali1234> https://github.com/ali1234/share-buttons
[07:54] <ali1234> probably has many bugs
[07:54] <ochosi> :)
[07:55] <ochosi> ali1234: if there's anything you'd wanna work on in this cycle feel free to let me know so we can add it to a blueprint
[07:55] <ali1234> fixing bugs...
[07:56] <ali1234> i want to fix this xfce panel bug with multimonitor, but it is a really deep problem
[07:56] <ali1234> also corner tiling
[08:00] <ochosi> right, corner tiling
[08:01] <ochosi> those are mostly things we'd wanna fix upstream
[08:01] <ochosi> and try to get a new xfwm4 release into utopic
[09:51] <knome> we can edit functions.php... but it's not any easier than getting a plugin in
[09:52] <knome> and since it is so, i'd rather keep it out of the theme :)
[09:53] <knome> i can't see any plugins for that, but we should probably ask canonical first if they had some "known" ones they'd prefer us to use
[10:27] <knome> ochosi, re: blueprints, is there something that you'd like me to work on during the next cycle that is or isn't on the blueprints yet?
[10:29] <ochosi> knome: it'd be great if you could work a bit on the "document our processes" stuff
[10:29] <ochosi> because you know a lot (maybe the most) about that
[10:29] <ochosi> and it'd be sustainable to write it down
[10:30] <ochosi> as long as you still remember it ;)
[10:30] <knome> i've been putting it down as i've noticed it's missing
[10:31] <ochosi> cool
[10:31] <knome> i added greybird-a11y to the artwork blueprint
[10:31] <knome> as you probably notices
[10:31] <knome> *noticed
[10:31] <ochosi> yup
[10:31] <knome> what about the wallpaper?
[10:32] <knome> do you want me to keep thinking about it?
[10:32] <ochosi> well i'm happy if you wanna keep working on that
[10:32] <knome> i can do that
[10:32] <ochosi> i didn't assign it to you straight away because you said you wanted a break
[10:32] <knome> just assigned myself
[10:32] <ochosi> and i wasn't sure what that entailed
[10:32] <knome> well, yeah, a break from leading responsibilities
[10:32] <ochosi> sure
[10:33] <knome> i'm still doing this and that in the ubuntu community, so...
[10:33] <knome> btw, we got green light for our loco theme from the trademarks team
[10:33] <knome> refresher: this one: http://ufistaging.lallinaho.fi/
[10:33] <ochosi> congrats
[10:33] <ochosi> yeah, i remember
[10:33] <knome> yeah, and the web team is interested to work with me
[10:34] <ochosi> hey, running off to other teams is TABOO! :)
[10:34] <knome> lol
[10:34] <knome> just on the theme ;)
[10:34] <knome> and to be clear: the canonical web team
[10:34] <knome> not the community :P
[10:35] <ochosi> oh, $$$ :D
[10:35] <knome> haha!
[10:35] <knome> not really i suspect
[10:35] <knome> but hey, who knows what comes out of it
[10:35] <knome> i'm not keeping hopes or specifically trying to follow that path in the hoep of moolah
[10:37] <ochosi> if you have other ideas for the blueprints, please feel free to just add them
[10:37] <ochosi> we can have a discussion over what gets in at a meeting or so
[10:37] <knome> i'll do tht
[10:37] <knome> but probably not too much
[10:38] <knome> i'm avoiding thinking :P
[10:38] <ochosi> but for now we still have this post-LTS vacuum
[10:38] <knome> yep
[10:38] <knome> perfect time to work on other projects
[10:38] <knome> and non-release-schedule-based ones
[10:42] <ochosi> yeah, i still would like to see ali1234's panel-switch app in xubuntu
[10:42] <ochosi> (well, ideally upstream directly in the panel, but hey...)
[10:42] <knome> yeah, that'd be nice
[10:59] <ochosi> bluesabre: do you need anything else for the 1.8.5 sync request?
[10:59] <ochosi> or do we just wait at this point
[11:00] <bluesabre> nope, actually uploading the debdiffs right now
[11:00] <ochosi> also, as a member of the US part of our team, what other meeting time would work for you?
[11:00] <ochosi> i'm considering scheduling another meeting soon
[11:00] <ochosi> and wanna try a different daytime agai
[11:00] <ochosi> n
[11:01] <bluesabre> any time before 12mm UTC was actually quite good for me, other than that, anytime after 11pm UTC
[11:01] <bluesabre> otherwise I take my laptop to work and tether to my phone
[11:03] <ochosi> ok, thanks for the heads up
[11:03] <ochosi> pleia2: as another member from the US, what time works for you?
[11:04] <ochosi> bluesabre: shall we try to look at the lid bug again tonight?
[11:05] <bluesabre> yeah, I'll try to make it online at a reasonable time
[11:05] <ochosi> ok cool
[11:05] <ochosi> if you can, lemme know if you can't make it
[11:06] <ochosi> or if you prefer the other way round, that also works :)
[11:06] <ochosi> (just so that i know how hard to try to be online)
[11:08] <bluesabre> :)
[11:08] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1320830
[11:10] <ochosi> so is there anyone to poke or will it just get done?
[11:10] <bluesabre> the sponsors will probably pick it up
[11:10] <bluesabre> or maybe I can poke Logan_ or micahg
[11:11] <bluesabre> :)
[11:11] <ochosi> sounds good :)
[11:18] <ochosi> bbabl
[14:42] <ochosi> elfy: we have a staging PPA now, as soon as there are packages for it, this one and the xubuntu-dev one will be used for testing: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xubuntu-staging
[14:43] <ochosi> fyi, micahg rejected creating one PPA per series, because PPAs can hold multiple series (which is true)
[15:04] <knome> ochosi, sure, otoh, we might not want to test *all of it* in the a release
[15:04] <knome> or to put it otherwise, all packages in the PPA might not be relevant
[15:42] <ochosi> knome: yeah, ppl will have to filter the view according to the release they're using to see the relevant packages
[15:42] <ochosi> (in launchpad)
[15:43] <ochosi> for installing packages it mostly won't matter
[15:43] <knome> well, that's not what i meant
[15:43] <knome> well, for installing packages it might matter
[15:43] <ochosi> not sure i get what you mean
[15:44] <knome> nvm
[15:44] <knome> too hot to explain
[15:51] <ochosi> ali1234: say, would it be possible to convert all trayicons to "indicators" in the sense that they'd be toggle-buttons with left-click menus attached?
[15:51] <ochosi> i mean in the panel
[16:05] <knome> where else do we have trayicons than panel? :P
[16:06] <ochosi> well one way would be to create panel-plugins for specific things, like nm-applet
[16:06] <ochosi> (as an alternative to the indicators, i mean)
[16:16] <elfy> ochosi: thanks 
[16:40] <pleia2> ochosi: any time after 1700 UTC (can usually do 1600, but in the winter that's early)
[16:44] <ochosi> pleia2: ok, thanks, will try to set the next meeting time so you'll be able to make it
[16:44] <ochosi> any specific weekdays that don't work?
[16:45] <pleia2> ochosi: nope, all are fine
[16:58] <ochosi> ok
[16:58] <ochosi> will try to set a meeting asap then
[16:59] <pleia2> hooray blueprints
[19:48] <ochosi> elfy: well it *is* moving forward, yeah
[19:48] <ochosi> i think that we know how to fix the bug and that we have a semi-working patch
[19:48] <ochosi> but it still needs to be tweaked and maybe eve extended a little
[19:48] <elfy> ok cool ty
[19:49] <ochosi> we actually planned to sit down tonight and take a look at it (we = me and bluesabre)
[19:50] <elfy> aah ok - I'll see what piskie has to show me tomorrow
[19:57] <ochosi> yup, we'll try to keep you posted
[21:33] <ochosi> pleia2: i presume the posts on xubuntu.org/news don't land on gÃ+ automagically, right?
[21:33] <pleia2> ochosi: nope, facebook is the only magic
[21:33] <ochosi> if that is the case, would you mind putting the last one about locking to g+ (and along the way show me how?)
[21:34] <pleia2> ochosi: you can do it! I can show you how
[21:34] <ochosi> could we make the g+ thingy automatic too though?
[21:34] <pleia2> no, G+ sucks and has no api
[21:34] <ochosi> oh :/
[21:34] <knome> ochosi, interested in twitter as well? :)
[21:34] <pleia2> ochosi: go to your google plus page and click on your face in the top right and select "Xubuntu" page
[21:34] <ochosi> knome: nah, i'm only interested in the things i'm using myself ;)
[21:35] <knome> hehe, sure
[21:35] <pleia2> once that loads can just add in a link to the link thingy, usually I say some stuff about the post too
[21:35] <knome> i'll tweet it anyway though
[21:35] <pleia2> knome: thanks :)
[21:35] <knome> tweeted
[21:35] <ochosi> knome: thanks :) you know that i *meant* "interested in doing myself.."
[21:36] <knome> ochosi, yeah, that's ok, i can keep managing the twitter account
[21:36] <ochosi> btw, why the news and blog duplication on x.org?
[21:36] <knome> hm?
[21:37] <pleia2> news and blog are different things (and blog includes news)
[21:37] <knome> the blog has *all* articles
[21:37] <knome> news are announcements
[21:37] <knome> articles is pretty much everything else
[21:37] <knome> but practically we could have even more categories
[21:38] <knome> they would all show up in blog
[21:38] <knome> but not in news/articles
[21:38] <pleia2> suppose we should write FAQ soon
[21:38] <knome> we haven't done that in a few cycles
[21:38] <pleia2> but now I'm giving myself work :( who made me talk in here
[21:38] <pleia2> hehe
[21:38] <knome> 12.10 last one
[21:38] <pleia2> yeah, it's time again I think
[21:38] <knome> yep, at least for LTS releases
[21:39] <knome> that said, we might want to review the wording at the help page
[21:39] <knome> "Also visit our Frequently Asked Questions, available for Xubuntu 11.10 and onward."
[21:39] <knome> i wonder if bruno would be willing to continue this trend of the FAQ articles, would take the workload off of pleia2 
[21:40] <knome> and is something that can be done in small junks at a time
[21:40] <knome> which, afaiu, is required at the moment for work for bruno
[21:43] <ochosi> pleia2: could you check whether it got posted? it first seemed it didnt, then it seemed like it did twice... my connection is a bit flaky here
[21:44] <pleia2> ochosi: posted twice at first, but looks good now
[21:44] <ochosi> ok, ty
[21:44] <ochosi> Ã+1'd and reshared
[21:44] <knome> Ã ?
[21:44] <knome> :P
[21:46] <ochosi> yeah, i have no idea why my screen session has lost its ability to handle odd characters
[21:47] <ochosi> i only see question marks on black ground for the tilde
[21:47] <knome> huhu
[21:47] <ochosi> (and i can't even remove it by backspacing it away)
[21:47] <ochosi> maybe it's also irssi
[21:48] <knome> mm
[21:48] <knome> i'm too lazy to debug it with you now, but ask me some time later
[21:49] <ochosi> will try something now...
[21:51] <ochosi> fixed
[21:52] <knome> :)
[22:08] <ochosi> hey Noskcaj_ 
[22:09] <Noskcaj_> hey ochosi
[22:09] <ochosi> welcome back - good to see you around again :)
[22:09] <ochosi> to answer your question from the mailinglist
[22:10] <ochosi> i haven't set the next meeting time yet
[22:10] <Noskcaj_> I think i said this in the mailing list, but the hardware part of my dev pc is finally working, and i should have a new laptop later this week
[22:10] <knome> allö Noskcaj_, and welcome to assign yourself some work items ;)
[22:10] <Noskcaj_> ok
[22:10] <Noskcaj_> hey knome
[22:10] <Noskcaj_> not quite yet
[22:11] <ochosi> Noskcaj_: just wondering, what daytime/nighttime (in UTC) would be good for you in terms of meetings?
[22:12] <Noskcaj_> ochosi: 2000-2200UTC, or 0800-1200UTC
[22:13] <Noskcaj_> 6-8am and 4-8pm in my time
[22:13] <ochosi> ok, good to know
[22:13] <ochosi> just trying to figure out a different meeting time for the next meeting :)
[22:14] <Noskcaj_> Are there any issues with booting to uefi?
[22:14] <Noskcaj_> My live usb is broken
[22:16] <ochosi> no idea, i don't have such a new machine ;)
[23:19] <ochosi> Unit193: as another US based member, would 20UTC work for you?
[23:19] <ochosi> or, what other times would/nt work
[23:19] <elfy> hi ochosi 
[23:19] <Unit193> ochosi: Sounds do-able, aye.
[23:20] <ochosi> ok, then i'll do a US friendly version this time around
[23:20] <knome> 20UTC is getting kind of pretty late here, but i can do that
[23:21] <elfy> knome: you utc+2 atm?
[23:21] <knome> +3
[23:21] <elfy> aah - normally +2 
[23:22] <knome> (yes it's 2am+ here now and i'm still up, no complaints about 20UTC i guess ;))
[23:22] <knome> yeah, but DST stuff
[23:22] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[23:23] <Unit193> 1900 worked for me too. :P
[23:23]  * elfy sends pa bug and watches it disappear for ever 
[23:24] <ochosi> there'll always be problems
[23:24] <ochosi> frankly i wouldn't mind if we just managed to fix two meeting times
[23:24] <ochosi> and alternate between the two
[23:24] <ochosi> but for now let's try to let the chairs decide
[23:24] <elfy> that would be better I think than random times decided by chairs 
[23:24] <elfy> but yea
[23:25] <knome> i think it's a great incentive for the chairs to decide the meetings
[23:27] <ochosi> anyway, meeting-time set
[23:27] <ochosi> Unit193: care to update the google-cal?
[23:27] <Unit193> Just to make sure, can you tell me exactly when?
[23:28] <knome> i can update.
[23:28] <ochosi> may 26, 20utc
[23:28] <ochosi> (just sent the email to the ML)
[23:28] <knome> done
[23:28] <Unit193> Ah, hasn't hit me yet.  I could just fine but looks ^
[23:29] <Unit193> knome: Thanks.
[23:29] <knome> i have the calendar set in a really accessible fashion right now
[23:29] <knome> so if you need somebody to add anything, it's just a few clikcs
[23:29] <ochosi> you do?
[23:29] <knome> yeah
[23:29] <ochosi> i'd like to have that too
[23:29] <knome> i have it on lightbird on thunderbird
[23:29] <ochosi> i just have a very very slow tab in firefox
[23:29]  * ochosi would really love to see a calendar app in xubuntu that works with google-calendar
[23:29] <knome> well, thunderbird ;)
[23:30] <ochosi> meh
[23:30] <knome> hah.
[23:30] <knome> yeah, works for me, probably not something for default setup
[23:30] <ochosi> thunderbird reminds me too much of those very very slow tabs in firefox
[23:30] <knome> :D
[23:30] <knome> oh btw,
[23:30] <Unit193> I have junk/gcalset if I want to set an Xubuntu meeting.
[23:30] <knome> what's the limit on the meeting scheduling?
[23:30] <Unit193> ochosi: gcalcli+conky?
[23:31] <knome> does slickymaster basically need to schedule for week 23?
[23:31] <ochosi> Unit193: have a conkyrc for that handy?
[23:31] <Unit193> Not so pretty, but yep.
[23:31] <knome> or does it slide
[23:31] <ochosi> knome: i'd like to discuss the rhythm at the next meeting
[23:31] <knome> goodie.
[23:31] <ochosi> i'm actually rather relaxed about that in general
[23:31] <knome> just popped up in my mind..
[23:32] <ochosi> when we need it, we'll have weekly meetings
[23:32] <knome> yeah, i guess it's better that way
[23:32] <knome> though, there should be technically some limitation
[23:32] <ochosi> as long as we don't, we can have one every two weeks
[23:32] <knome> "at most 2 weeks from the last meeting"
[23:32] <knome> so the schedule is kind of organic
[23:32] <ochosi> yeah
[23:32] <knome> but still keeps us with meetings
[23:33] <ochosi> i'm wondering whether we should write this down somewhere
[23:33] <knome> probably when it's decided
[23:33] <knome> can go on the Processes page
[23:33] <ochosi> just sending it to the ML sometimes feels like... echo "blah" > /dev/null
[23:33] <elfy> put it on a m/l with [TEAM]
[23:33] <knome> if you think "for the next meeting", i can just repeat myself
[23:33] <elfy> ochosi: oh - so it's not just me then :p
[23:34] <knome> elfy, definitely not just you...
[23:34] <Unit193> ~/.gcalclirc: [gcalcli]\nuser: ochosi\npw: mylittlepasswordismagic  then pop something like  ${execpi 300 gcalcli --conky --cals=all  agenda `date +%m/%d/%Y` `date +%m/%d/%Y -d "2 days"`}  in .conky
[23:34] <elfy> another bug reported on the tracker that looks like it should be against a testcase and not xfce4-settings
[23:34] <ochosi> part of the problem is that there is no big tradition in this team to use the mailinglist
[23:34] <ochosi> for internal communication
[23:36] <ochosi> most people are on IRC anyways
[23:36] <ochosi> and most members of -team have a remote login
[23:36] <knome> ...and we've kind of wanted to support that
[23:37] <elfy> well 2 at least only have that because someone else in -team offered it
[23:37] <elfy> and having IRC as the way to communicate - doesn't mean that it happens
[23:37] <elfy> not all of us are in other channels
[23:38] <ochosi> yeah, easy enough to join though
[23:38] <ochosi> i'd expect everyone to be in the channels relevant to him/her anyway
[23:38] <elfy> that's not the point ;)
[23:39] <knome> maybe they should ;)
[23:39] <elfy> [19:03] <elfy> I suspect there were bits in xfce channels, bits in shimmer - there were certainly bits in here 
[23:39] <elfy> [19:07] <bluesabre> indeed
[23:39] <elfy> [19:07] <bluesabre> lots of bits in shimmer
[23:39] <elfy> [19:07] <bluesabre> tbh
[23:39] <knome> well, that's not what i meant either :)
[23:39] <elfy> here being -offtopic
[23:40] <knome> i acknowledge the problem with #shimmer specifically
[23:40] <knome> what i mean is other ubuntu channels, like #ubuntu-release or #ubuntu-quality
[23:46] <bluesabre> d'oh, logged by elfy
[23:47] <Unit193> >_>
[23:50] <ochosi> bluesabre: this should be pretty much the appdata stuff for parole: http://dpaste.com/2ANB2A7/
[23:50] <knome> i'm off
[23:51] <ochosi> night knome 
[23:51] <knome> hf everybody, and see you later
[23:51] <knome> nighty night
[23:51] <elfy> me too - night all 
[23:51] <bluesabre> seeya knome and elfy
[23:51] <ochosi> night elfy 
[23:51] <bluesabre> ochosi: cool, that seems simple enough
[23:52] <ochosi> yup, sucks a bit that we have to keep that release-list up to date
[23:52] <ochosi> that's the most annoying overhead part i can see for now
[23:52] <bluesabre> yeah
[23:52] <bluesabre> we can probably script that
[23:52] <bluesabre> and put it into configure.ac.in
[23:52] <ochosi> anyway, i'll ping hughsie and ask him to review it
[23:52] <bluesabre> ok
[23:52] <ochosi> yeah, but incl the release-mail?
[23:53] <bluesabre> that might be tricky
[23:53] <ochosi> i mean that link doesn't seem very scriptable..
[23:53] <ochosi> anyhow, i'll let you know once i got this figured out
[23:53] <bluesabre> does it need to be the release mail, we could alternatively link to release announcements I throw onto my site
[23:54] <ochosi> or the git commit id
[23:54] <bluesabre> that works
[23:54] <ochosi> Unit193: i presume the compton stuff can be put in /xdg ?
[23:54] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, sure, but release-mails are nicer (changelog etc)
[23:54] <bluesabre> true
[23:54] <saxx_> Hey
[23:54] <bluesabre> but
[23:54] <bluesabre> it will be impossible to include the current version's release mail
[23:55] <bluesabre> because of that link
[23:55] <bluesabre> hey saxx_, what's up?
[23:55] <ochosi> unless you update the appdata file only *after* the release
[23:55] <ochosi> :)
[23:55] <bluesabre> so... release, modify released tarball?
[23:55] <ochosi> good point though, this is something to ask hughsie
[23:55] <saxx_> Hey Blue, just messing around customizing stuff, just done a fresh install
[23:56] <Unit193> ochosi: https://github.com/chjj/compton/blob/master/src/compton.c#L5145
[23:57] <ochosi> Unit193: a simple "yes" would've sufficed though :)
[23:57] <Unit193> Oh, right.  Words. :(
[23:58] <ochosi> as you seem interested in the compton file, would that be a workitem you'd take for 14.10?
[23:58] <Unit193> I've used compton, but I purged it a while ago.
[23:59] <ochosi> is that a yes or a no..? :)