=== ethermonk_ is now known as ethermonk [07:14] morning everyone [07:15] morning ochosi [07:28] just sent out the ultimate "please add/remove software X"-temptation email to the devel ML [07:29] I hope you [TEAM]'d it :D [07:29] that'll make all the difference apparently ... [07:30] i think you all have deficient email clients [07:30] if you can't keep up with the flood of messages on xubuntu-devel [07:31] it must be what, 5 a day? [07:31] ali1234: I don't have an issue with that at all [07:42] ali1234: i wanted to ask you this before, but would something like a fade-to-black before the X11 screensaver blanks the screen be best implemented in the compositor or somewhere else? [07:43] that should be in the screensaver i think [07:44] ok [07:45] knome: can we have social sharing buttons on the xubuntu.org/news posts? [07:49] i have a plugin for that which does not rely on any funky api nonsense [07:50] knome: ^ :) [07:51] ali1234: i'm not sure though it'll be easy to install plugins there with the little amount of control we seem to have over the installation... [07:51] probably not, no [07:51] also, those changes seem to take forever every time [07:51] you can put it in the theme functions.php though [07:51] the locking article could've been published two months ago almost [07:51] we couldn't add the css, so i doubt we can edit functions.php :) [07:54] https://github.com/ali1234/share-buttons [07:54] probably has many bugs [07:54] :) [07:55] ali1234: if there's anything you'd wanna work on in this cycle feel free to let me know so we can add it to a blueprint [07:55] fixing bugs... [07:56] i want to fix this xfce panel bug with multimonitor, but it is a really deep problem [07:56] also corner tiling [08:00] right, corner tiling [08:01] those are mostly things we'd wanna fix upstream [08:01] and try to get a new xfwm4 release into utopic [09:51] we can edit functions.php... but it's not any easier than getting a plugin in [09:52] and since it is so, i'd rather keep it out of the theme :) [09:53] i can't see any plugins for that, but we should probably ask canonical first if they had some "known" ones they'd prefer us to use [10:27] ochosi, re: blueprints, is there something that you'd like me to work on during the next cycle that is or isn't on the blueprints yet? [10:29] knome: it'd be great if you could work a bit on the "document our processes" stuff [10:29] because you know a lot (maybe the most) about that [10:29] and it'd be sustainable to write it down [10:30] as long as you still remember it ;) [10:30] i've been putting it down as i've noticed it's missing [10:31] cool [10:31] i added greybird-a11y to the artwork blueprint [10:31] as you probably notices [10:31] *noticed [10:31] yup [10:31] what about the wallpaper? [10:32] do you want me to keep thinking about it? [10:32] well i'm happy if you wanna keep working on that [10:32] i can do that [10:32] i didn't assign it to you straight away because you said you wanted a break [10:32] just assigned myself [10:32] and i wasn't sure what that entailed [10:32] well, yeah, a break from leading responsibilities [10:32] sure [10:33] i'm still doing this and that in the ubuntu community, so... [10:33] btw, we got green light for our loco theme from the trademarks team [10:33] refresher: this one: http://ufistaging.lallinaho.fi/ [10:33] congrats [10:33] yeah, i remember [10:33] yeah, and the web team is interested to work with me [10:34] hey, running off to other teams is TABOO! :) [10:34] lol [10:34] just on the theme ;) [10:34] and to be clear: the canonical web team [10:34] not the community :P [10:35] oh, $$$ :D [10:35] haha! [10:35] not really i suspect [10:35] but hey, who knows what comes out of it [10:35] i'm not keeping hopes or specifically trying to follow that path in the hoep of moolah [10:37] if you have other ideas for the blueprints, please feel free to just add them [10:37] we can have a discussion over what gets in at a meeting or so [10:37] i'll do tht [10:37] but probably not too much [10:38] i'm avoiding thinking :P [10:38] but for now we still have this post-LTS vacuum [10:38] yep [10:38] perfect time to work on other projects [10:38] and non-release-schedule-based ones [10:42] yeah, i still would like to see ali1234's panel-switch app in xubuntu [10:42] (well, ideally upstream directly in the panel, but hey...) [10:42] yeah, that'd be nice [10:59] bluesabre: do you need anything else for the 1.8.5 sync request? [10:59] or do we just wait at this point [11:00] nope, actually uploading the debdiffs right now [11:00] also, as a member of the US part of our team, what other meeting time would work for you? [11:00] i'm considering scheduling another meeting soon [11:00] and wanna try a different daytime agai [11:00] n [11:01] any time before 12mm UTC was actually quite good for me, other than that, anytime after 11pm UTC [11:01] otherwise I take my laptop to work and tether to my phone [11:03] ok, thanks for the heads up [11:03] pleia2: as another member from the US, what time works for you? [11:04] bluesabre: shall we try to look at the lid bug again tonight? [11:05] yeah, I'll try to make it online at a reasonable time [11:05] ok cool [11:05] if you can, lemme know if you can't make it [11:06] or if you prefer the other way round, that also works :) [11:06] (just so that i know how hard to try to be online) [11:08] :) [11:08] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1320830 [11:08] Launchpad bug 1320830 in lightdm-gtk-greeter (Ubuntu) "Please merge lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.8.5-1 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed] [11:10] so is there anyone to poke or will it just get done? [11:10] the sponsors will probably pick it up [11:10] or maybe I can poke Logan_ or micahg [11:11] :) [11:11] sounds good :) [11:18] bbabl [14:42] elfy: we have a staging PPA now, as soon as there are packages for it, this one and the xubuntu-dev one will be used for testing: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xubuntu-staging [14:43] fyi, micahg rejected creating one PPA per series, because PPAs can hold multiple series (which is true) [15:04] ochosi, sure, otoh, we might not want to test *all of it* in the a release [15:04] or to put it otherwise, all packages in the PPA might not be relevant [15:42] knome: yeah, ppl will have to filter the view according to the release they're using to see the relevant packages [15:42] (in launchpad) [15:43] for installing packages it mostly won't matter [15:43] well, that's not what i meant [15:43] well, for installing packages it might matter [15:43] not sure i get what you mean [15:44] nvm [15:44] too hot to explain [15:51] ali1234: say, would it be possible to convert all trayicons to "indicators" in the sense that they'd be toggle-buttons with left-click menus attached? [15:51] i mean in the panel [16:05] where else do we have trayicons than panel? :P [16:06] well one way would be to create panel-plugins for specific things, like nm-applet [16:06] (as an alternative to the indicators, i mean) [16:16] ochosi: thanks [16:40] ochosi: any time after 1700 UTC (can usually do 1600, but in the winter that's early) [16:44] pleia2: ok, thanks, will try to set the next meeting time so you'll be able to make it [16:44] any specific weekdays that don't work? [16:45] ochosi: nope, all are fine [16:58] ok [16:58] will try to set a meeting asap then [16:59] hooray blueprints [19:48] elfy: well it *is* moving forward, yeah [19:48] i think that we know how to fix the bug and that we have a semi-working patch [19:48] but it still needs to be tweaked and maybe eve extended a little [19:48] ok cool ty [19:49] we actually planned to sit down tonight and take a look at it (we = me and bluesabre) [19:50] aah ok - I'll see what piskie has to show me tomorrow [19:57] yup, we'll try to keep you posted [21:33] pleia2: i presume the posts on xubuntu.org/news don't land on gÃ+ automagically, right? [21:33] ochosi: nope, facebook is the only magic [21:33] if that is the case, would you mind putting the last one about locking to g+ (and along the way show me how?) [21:34] ochosi: you can do it! I can show you how [21:34] could we make the g+ thingy automatic too though? [21:34] no, G+ sucks and has no api [21:34] oh :/ [21:34] ochosi, interested in twitter as well? :) [21:34] ochosi: go to your google plus page and click on your face in the top right and select "Xubuntu" page [21:34] knome: nah, i'm only interested in the things i'm using myself ;) [21:35] hehe, sure [21:35] once that loads can just add in a link to the link thingy, usually I say some stuff about the post too [21:35] i'll tweet it anyway though [21:35] knome: thanks :) [21:35] tweeted [21:35] knome: thanks :) you know that i *meant* "interested in doing myself.." [21:36] ochosi, yeah, that's ok, i can keep managing the twitter account [21:36] btw, why the news and blog duplication on x.org? [21:36] hm? [21:37] news and blog are different things (and blog includes news) [21:37] the blog has *all* articles [21:37] news are announcements [21:37] articles is pretty much everything else [21:37] but practically we could have even more categories [21:38] they would all show up in blog [21:38] but not in news/articles [21:38] suppose we should write FAQ soon [21:38] we haven't done that in a few cycles [21:38] but now I'm giving myself work :( who made me talk in here [21:38] hehe [21:38] 12.10 last one [21:38] yeah, it's time again I think [21:38] yep, at least for LTS releases [21:39] that said, we might want to review the wording at the help page [21:39] "Also visit our Frequently Asked Questions, available for Xubuntu 11.10 and onward." [21:39] i wonder if bruno would be willing to continue this trend of the FAQ articles, would take the workload off of pleia2 [21:40] and is something that can be done in small junks at a time [21:40] which, afaiu, is required at the moment for work for bruno [21:43] pleia2: could you check whether it got posted? it first seemed it didnt, then it seemed like it did twice... my connection is a bit flaky here [21:44] ochosi: posted twice at first, but looks good now [21:44] ok, ty [21:44] Ã+1'd and reshared [21:44] Ã ? [21:44] :P [21:46] yeah, i have no idea why my screen session has lost its ability to handle odd characters [21:47] i only see question marks on black ground for the tilde [21:47] huhu [21:47] (and i can't even remove it by backspacing it away) [21:47] maybe it's also irssi [21:48] mm [21:48] i'm too lazy to debug it with you now, but ask me some time later [21:49] will try something now... [21:51] fixed [21:52] :) [22:08] hey Noskcaj_ [22:09] hey ochosi [22:09] welcome back - good to see you around again :) [22:09] to answer your question from the mailinglist [22:10] i haven't set the next meeting time yet [22:10] I think i said this in the mailing list, but the hardware part of my dev pc is finally working, and i should have a new laptop later this week [22:10] allö Noskcaj_, and welcome to assign yourself some work items ;) [22:10] ok [22:10] hey knome [22:10] not quite yet [22:11] Noskcaj_: just wondering, what daytime/nighttime (in UTC) would be good for you in terms of meetings? [22:12] ochosi: 2000-2200UTC, or 0800-1200UTC [22:13] 6-8am and 4-8pm in my time [22:13] ok, good to know [22:13] just trying to figure out a different meeting time for the next meeting :) [22:14] Are there any issues with booting to uefi? [22:14] My live usb is broken [22:16] no idea, i don't have such a new machine ;) [23:19] Unit193: as another US based member, would 20UTC work for you? [23:19] or, what other times would/nt work [23:19] hi ochosi [23:19] ochosi: Sounds do-able, aye. [23:20] ok, then i'll do a US friendly version this time around [23:20] 20UTC is getting kind of pretty late here, but i can do that [23:21] knome: you utc+2 atm? [23:21] +3 [23:21] aah - normally +2 [23:22] (yes it's 2am+ here now and i'm still up, no complaints about 20UTC i guess ;)) [23:22] yeah, but DST stuff [23:22] ha ha ha [23:23] 1900 worked for me too. :P [23:23] * elfy sends pa bug and watches it disappear for ever [23:24] there'll always be problems [23:24] frankly i wouldn't mind if we just managed to fix two meeting times [23:24] and alternate between the two [23:24] but for now let's try to let the chairs decide [23:24] that would be better I think than random times decided by chairs [23:24] but yea [23:25] i think it's a great incentive for the chairs to decide the meetings [23:27] anyway, meeting-time set [23:27] Unit193: care to update the google-cal? [23:27] Just to make sure, can you tell me exactly when? [23:28] i can update. [23:28] may 26, 20utc [23:28] (just sent the email to the ML) [23:28] done [23:28] Ah, hasn't hit me yet. I could just fine but looks ^ [23:29] knome: Thanks. [23:29] i have the calendar set in a really accessible fashion right now [23:29] so if you need somebody to add anything, it's just a few clikcs [23:29] you do? [23:29] yeah [23:29] i'd like to have that too [23:29] i have it on lightbird on thunderbird [23:29] i just have a very very slow tab in firefox [23:29] * ochosi would really love to see a calendar app in xubuntu that works with google-calendar [23:29] well, thunderbird ;) [23:30] meh [23:30] hah. [23:30] yeah, works for me, probably not something for default setup [23:30] thunderbird reminds me too much of those very very slow tabs in firefox [23:30] :D [23:30] oh btw, [23:30] I have junk/gcalset if I want to set an Xubuntu meeting. [23:30] what's the limit on the meeting scheduling? [23:30] ochosi: gcalcli+conky? [23:31] does slickymaster basically need to schedule for week 23? [23:31] Unit193: have a conkyrc for that handy? [23:31] Not so pretty, but yep. [23:31] or does it slide [23:31] knome: i'd like to discuss the rhythm at the next meeting [23:31] goodie. [23:31] i'm actually rather relaxed about that in general [23:31] just popped up in my mind.. [23:32] when we need it, we'll have weekly meetings [23:32] yeah, i guess it's better that way [23:32] though, there should be technically some limitation [23:32] as long as we don't, we can have one every two weeks [23:32] "at most 2 weeks from the last meeting" [23:32] so the schedule is kind of organic [23:32] yeah [23:32] but still keeps us with meetings [23:33] i'm wondering whether we should write this down somewhere [23:33] probably when it's decided [23:33] can go on the Processes page [23:33] just sending it to the ML sometimes feels like... echo "blah" > /dev/null [23:33] put it on a m/l with [TEAM] [23:33] if you think "for the next meeting", i can just repeat myself [23:33] ochosi: oh - so it's not just me then :p [23:34] elfy, definitely not just you... [23:34] ~/.gcalclirc: [gcalcli]\nuser: ochosi\npw: mylittlepasswordismagic then pop something like ${execpi 300 gcalcli --conky --cals=all agenda `date +%m/%d/%Y` `date +%m/%d/%Y -d "2 days"`} in .conky [23:34] another bug reported on the tracker that looks like it should be against a testcase and not xfce4-settings [23:34] part of the problem is that there is no big tradition in this team to use the mailinglist [23:34] for internal communication [23:36] most people are on IRC anyways [23:36] and most members of -team have a remote login [23:36] ...and we've kind of wanted to support that [23:37] well 2 at least only have that because someone else in -team offered it [23:37] and having IRC as the way to communicate - doesn't mean that it happens [23:37] not all of us are in other channels [23:38] yeah, easy enough to join though [23:38] i'd expect everyone to be in the channels relevant to him/her anyway [23:38] that's not the point ;) [23:39] maybe they should ;) [23:39] [19:03] I suspect there were bits in xfce channels, bits in shimmer - there were certainly bits in here [23:39] [19:07] indeed [23:39] [19:07] lots of bits in shimmer [23:39] [19:07] tbh [23:39] well, that's not what i meant either :) [23:39] here being -offtopic [23:40] i acknowledge the problem with #shimmer specifically [23:40] what i mean is other ubuntu channels, like #ubuntu-release or #ubuntu-quality [23:46] d'oh, logged by elfy [23:47] >_> [23:50] bluesabre: this should be pretty much the appdata stuff for parole: http://dpaste.com/2ANB2A7/ [23:50] i'm off [23:51] night knome [23:51] hf everybody, and see you later [23:51] nighty night [23:51] me too - night all [23:51] seeya knome and elfy [23:51] night elfy [23:51] ochosi: cool, that seems simple enough [23:52] yup, sucks a bit that we have to keep that release-list up to date [23:52] that's the most annoying overhead part i can see for now [23:52] yeah [23:52] we can probably script that [23:52] and put it into configure.ac.in [23:52] anyway, i'll ping hughsie and ask him to review it [23:52] ok [23:52] yeah, but incl the release-mail? [23:53] that might be tricky [23:53] i mean that link doesn't seem very scriptable.. [23:53] anyhow, i'll let you know once i got this figured out [23:53] does it need to be the release mail, we could alternatively link to release announcements I throw onto my site [23:54] or the git commit id [23:54] that works [23:54] Unit193: i presume the compton stuff can be put in /xdg ? [23:54] bluesabre: yeah, sure, but release-mails are nicer (changelog etc) [23:54] true [23:54] Hey [23:54] but [23:54] it will be impossible to include the current version's release mail [23:55] because of that link [23:55] hey saxx_, what's up? [23:55] unless you update the appdata file only *after* the release [23:55] :) [23:55] so... release, modify released tarball? [23:55] good point though, this is something to ask hughsie [23:55] Hey Blue, just messing around customizing stuff, just done a fresh install [23:56] ochosi: https://github.com/chjj/compton/blob/master/src/compton.c#L5145 [23:57] Unit193: a simple "yes" would've sufficed though :) [23:57] Oh, right. Words. :( [23:58] as you seem interested in the compton file, would that be a workitem you'd take for 14.10? [23:58] I've used compton, but I purged it a while ago. [23:59] is that a yes or a no..? :)