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valorieoff to dinner & dad's00:01
mamarleyRiddell: Could I be taken off the Kubuntu Ninjas list?  My "real job" is taking up too much time for me to be an effective tester.00:35
soeegood morning06:19
apacheloggerRiddell: please promote dev to admin https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+members07:56
Riddellapachelogger: voila, remember with great power comes greater amounts of spam08:16
apacheloggerthx I think everyone filters that to trash already ^^08:20
apacheloggerI certainly do08:20
shadeslayerRiddell: can you give me the bug number for the Qt SRU09:58
BluesKaj'Morning folks10:00
shadeslayerhmm10:02
shadeslayersomeone should be reviewing sgclark's work 10:02
shadeslayerhttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/ksysguard/view/head:/debian/rules#L910:02
shadeslayershouldn't that be overriden_test10:03
Riddellshadeslayer: shouldn't what be overriden_test?10:13
Riddellshadeslayer: bug 128960010:13
ubottubug 1289600 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Saucy) "Fix for crashes due to ubuntu-specific accessibility patch" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128960010:13
shadeslayererm10:20
shadeslayerI meant overriden_command10:20
Riddell$(overridden_command) is correct10:24
shadeslayerRiddell: right, but sgclark seems to be passing the actual command :)10:34
shadeslayeroh hm, maybe overriden_command doesn't work with xvfb 10:34
Riddellah you mean "xvfb-run -a dh_auto_test" should be "xvfb-run -a $(overridden_command)"  ?10:36
Riddellyou could well be right, although it's not very important, but do tell her that10:36
shadeslayeryep10:37
Riddellshadeslayer: I do have this e-mail from her "ksysguard rev 3 in bzr needs review and upload Added sensors support and some cleanup."10:37
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=3&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 310:37
shadeslayerbut I /think/ using overridden_command with xvfb doesn't work10:37
shadeslayerRiddell: I can't get plasma to crash in the 12.04.4 ISO 10:39
Riddellshadeslayer: just like the other person trying to verify, annoying when a bug disappears10:39
shadeslayerRiddell: commented, so what do we do now?11:06
Riddellshadeslayer: on the bug? get the ones which are verified in at least11:08
Riddelland close the other one as disappeared if nobody can recreate it11:08
shadeslayerRiddell: do you know sgclark's launchpad page?11:12
Riddellit's... scarlett!11:26
sgclarkRiddell: morning :)11:27
Riddellsgclark: there's no commits from you in oxygen bzr, where did you put your changes?11:30
sgclarkRiddell: still local due to the list-missing items I had questions on, I can commit what I have if you want11:31
Riddellsgclark: go ahead and commit, easiest way to share I guess and revision control is easy to revert11:32
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sgclarkRiddell: committed11:38
Riddellsgclark: groovy, I don't know if oxygen-settings5 is used but let's install it just incase11:40
Riddellsgclark: the .so links in libraries are only used when compiling another programme against that library and I'm pretty sure nothing else uses these libraries11:41
Riddelland it's usually not a good idea to install the .so and .h files which allow something to use it unless you know it has a stable ABI/API11:41
sgclarkahh ok11:41
RiddellI'm pretty sure these libraries are only some shared code between the window decoration and the qwidget style, but nothing outside the oxygen package11:42
sgclarkgotcha, then it looks good to me :)11:42
Riddellsgclark: do you want to upload to experimental as reviewer?11:42
sgclarksure!11:42
Riddellsgclark: you know about bzr-buildpackage-ppa ?11:48
sgclarkRiddell: nope11:48
Riddellsgclark: wee script in kubuntu-automation to build a source package from an unreleased bzr 11:50
Riddellit'll download the .orig, set UNRELEASED to trusty and add the ~ppa1 bit on the version number11:51
Riddellthen you can just dput ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental foo.changes11:51
Blizzzmh, i can use either external and internal mic or none at all.11:55
RiddellBlizzz: sounds like a good set of choices11:58
Blizzzsimplyfies things–11:58
sgclarkRiddell: I cannot find the source changes file. it fails at debsign, obviously because i am not you.12:09
Riddellsgclark: debsign -k me@me.com  foo.changes12:11
RiddellI set this..12:11
Riddell>cat .devscripts 12:11
RiddellDEBSIGN_KEYID=jriddell@ubuntu.com12:11
sgclarkRiddell: worked! thank you12:14
sgclarkRiddell: oxygen uploaded!12:15
Riddellyay! thanks12:17
mamarleyRiddell: Could I be taken off the Kubuntu Ninjas list?  My "real job" is taking up too much time for me to be an effective tester.  Sorry :(12:19
Riddellmamarley: you mean the irc ping?12:22
mamarleyRiddell: That, and I have removed the secret PPA from my list.12:24
mamarleySorry, I just don't have time for it anymore.12:24
Riddellmamarley: no problem, you're welcome back any time you're able to help :)12:27
mamarleyThanks!12:31
Riddellsgclark: are you going to make a doodle poll for your membership meeting?12:39
sgclarkRiddell: doodle poll?12:41
Riddellsgclark: doodle.com easiest way of finding dates/times people can agree on12:41
sgclarkRiddell: also getting python errors trying to make wiki, should I make one on ubuntu as suggested?12:41
Riddellsgclark: yeah just use wiki.ubuntu.com, it's the same wiki just different domain12:43
sgclarkRiddell: err emails to send this doodle to?12:48
Riddellsgclark: none12:48
Riddellsgclark: just send it manually to kubuntu-devel mailing list12:49
shadeslayersgclark: ping12:53
sgclarkshadeslayer: present12:53
shadeslayernot a roll call :P12:53
shadeslayersgclark: any reason to drop qapt-batch from gwenview recommends12:54
sgclarkshadeslayer: ask debian12:54
shadeslayersgclark: no, that's ubuntu specific delta12:54
shadeslayersince we ship with the kipi installation patch12:54
* sgclark hates merges12:55
sgclarkI was told to go with debian so no I don't know. if it is wrong then change it. sorry12:55
shadeslayersgclark: you only go with debian if it makes sense to drop the ubuntu change12:56
yofelhm, somehow kget is missing 2 versions in the changelog o.O12:57
yofelRiddell: ^ ?12:59
Riddellspooky12:59
sgclarkyofel: I use merge_changelog13:00
RiddellI've always said I don't trust those merge scripts13:00
ScottKsgclark: merges are hard. 13:00
yofelnono, not that, it's 4:4.13.0-0ubuntu1 -> 4:4.13.0-0ubuntu413:00
yofelwhere's 2 and 3 ?13:00
sgclarkScottK: I am seeing that13:00
yofelsgclark: can it be that you're using 'dch -i' to edit changelogs? Please don't use -i for UNRELEASED13:01
ScottKGood way to learn stuff though. 13:01
yofelalso, tag is missing in bzr13:01
sgclarkyofel: oh, I was trying to upload to my ppa after fails but couldn't because it existed. Probably does not need to be 4. My fault13:03
yofelsgclark: for ppa's please add ~ppaX13:03
yofelthat way the archive package will also be higher than the PPA package13:03
sgclarkok13:03
yofelsgclark: also, in case you don't know what's up with all the : and ~ in our versions: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version13:04
sgclarkyofel: thank you, will read that!13:05
yofelRiddell: and please don't forget to tag the branch after uploading13:06
shadeslayersgclark: gwenview looks good apart from that qapt recommends, do you want to push your merge into bzr or should I?13:08
Riddellyofel: I don't think I've ever manually pushed a tag, do we actually care about them?13:09
sgclarkshadeslayer: I would be grateful if you would :)13:09
yofelRiddell: well, they're handy to know what commit was actually uploaded. And our scripts and me add them at least13:09
shadeslayersgclark: ok13:10
yofelusually it's just running 'bzr tag' which will figure out the version itself13:10
Riddellmgraesslin: I'm getting lots of XCB requirements from cmake output of oxygen (presumably window decoration), do you know if they're actually needed?  (click show/hide by the orange oxygen here http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_4.96.0_trusty.html)13:11
yofelshadeslayer: looking at kdepim now, didn't get to it yesterday13:11
shadeslayeryofel: cheers13:11
shadeslayeryofel: I was thinking of just running the build in a lxc and then installing the packages13:11
shadeslayerto make sure stuff didn't conflict13:11
mgraesslinRiddell: my gut feeling is "no"13:11
Riddellmgraesslin: thanks13:12
yofelshadeslayer: well, that will only find the conflicts for the order that apt decides to upgrade the packages in13:12
yofelthe diff isn't that long13:12
shadeslayerright13:12
shadeslayerok13:12
ScottKyofel: IMO whoever uploads should push the tag.13:14
shadeslayersgclark: pushed to bzr, thx for merging gwenview :)13:14
yofelthat's what I meant, though I see that what I said can be misunderstood13:15
sgclarkshadeslayer: thank you. I will get better at this!13:15
shadeslayersgclark: np13:15
yofelshadeslayer: btw. breaks/replaces versions should end with a ~13:19
yofelif they have ubuntu in them13:20
yofelor really in general13:20
shadeslayersgclark: fwiw kalgebra merge wasn't required13:23
* yofel is curious why not13:24
sgclarkit was on the list!13:24
yofelhm, they didn't change much yet indeed13:25
shadeslayeryofel: last change was in 4.12.413:25
shadeslayerwhich we have13:25
yofelah true13:25
shadeslayersgclark: the list a list of all KDE SC packages which might/might not need a merge :P13:26
ScottKDoesn't hurt. 13:26
shadeslayerScottK: hm?13:26
shadeslayersgclark: I don't see amor in https://launchpad.net/~scarlett-7/+archive/kubuntu-ppa13:27
shadeslayeror kget13:27
sgclarkshadeslayer: afaik Riddell: got those13:27
shadeslayerok13:28
ScottKEven if the merge is only changelog entries, there's no harm in it. 13:28
shadeslayerScottK: it's not even changelog entries :)13:29
yofelshadeslayer: kget at least is already in archive :/13:29
shadeslayeryofel: oh ok13:29
ScottKOh 13:31
* shadeslayer starts on kdepimlibs13:31
sgclarkI am trying to apply for memebership, if any kind souls could give me testimonial or cheers here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScarlettGatelyClark#preview pretty please13:32
Riddellshadeslayer: I uploaded amor but forgot to put it in bzr, done now13:33
sgclarkRiddell: I had to fix depends in systemsettings, pushed to bzr if you could review and push13:36
yofelagain with missing version in changelog -.-13:36
yofelwith tag though, Riddell++13:37
yofelshadeslayer: kdepim r359 up13:49
yofelI removed the breaks/replaces for the mobile stuff, I didn't see anything getting moved there13:50
yofelsgclark: could you maybe put up a new doodle poll that has actual times in it? We live all over the world, with our respective work times so the poll should also allow us to find a time to meet, not just a date13:56
yofelwould be nice13:56
sgclarkyofel: exactly, I have absolutely no idea what time to choose13:56
sgclarkI am in the US13:57
yofelsgclark: enable all times that you are available at13:57
sgclarkbut can set my alarm to accomodate13:57
yofeli.e. you're not... sleeping/in town/work/school/drunk/whatever13:57
sgclarkI am flexible, usually up pretty early13:57
yofelwell, then you can enable all 24h hours of the day, so we can put in the times when we have time13:58
sgclarkthat is what I did13:58
yofelthat resulted in there being one checkbox for the whole day :/13:59
sgclarkoh I see, ok13:59
manchicken /join #kubuntu14:00
manchickenDeath to the space bar14:00
yofelhehe14:00
apacheloggeram I getting old or is it just incredibly hard to write sudo apt install instead of sudo apt-get install14:03
Riddellwhy would you want to?14:05
apacheloggerbecause colors14:05
apacheloggerapt has arrived in the 1900's now \o/14:05
Riddellooh ooh apt exists!14:06
Riddellat last one simple to type command that can do what the other commands could with extra typing14:06
Riddelltoday is a good day14:06
shadeslayerheh14:06
Riddellapachelogger: yes, you're getting old, here's your zimmer frame14:06
shadeslayerapachelogger: you're old14:06
shadeslayerIt took me only 2 weeks to switch14:06
apacheloggerI think I should have made aliases at some point and then reused those14:07
yofelapt also has progressbars!14:07
yofel<3 progressbars14:07
yofelthough I agree with apachelogger :D14:07
apacheloggeryou must also be old then14:08
shadeslayer^^14:08
apacheloggershadeslayer: GET OFF MY LAWN!14:08
Riddellwow, colours! progress bars!14:08
shadeslayerapachelogger: you don't have one old man14:08
apacheloggerpfft14:08
apacheloggerscru u old sport14:08
apacheloggernow apt just needs short hand aliases and I'd almost be happy14:10
apacheloggerapt in htop 14:10
apacheloggerwould be so much better14:10
apacheloggerRiddell: btw, did you try tarme.rb?14:11
Riddellapachelogger: sorry, it's on the todo list14:11
apacheloggerno rush, busy with other stuff this week anyway14:12
sgclarkRiddell: sorry my internet cut out and my systemsettings did not get get pushed, it is now though if you could review and push.14:35
Riddellthanks sgclark 14:37
yofelsgclark: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/workspace/systemsettings would be the correct homepage14:39
yofelalso, it would be nice if the control files had the Vcs-* fields14:39
sgclarkVcs- fields? bzr address?14:42
yofelright14:43
yofellike the sc packages do14:43
sgclarkok14:43
shadeslayeryofel: Riddell kdepimlibs merged as well14:49
shadeslayerplz review when you have time14:49
yofel.gitattributes? ^^14:50
shadeslayeruf14:50
yofellooks fine though14:52
sgclarkyofel, Riddell: fixed homepage and Vcs systemsettings14:53
Riddellsgclark: I've pushed kfilemetadata5 ready for review14:54
yofelthanks :)14:54
sgclarkRiddell: ok reviewing14:54
yofelRiddell: also missing Vcs-* entries 14:55
yofelalso, debian now uses wrap-and-sort, so we should do the same14:55
sgclarkRiddell; I can add them if you wish14:55
sgclarkyofel: wrap-and-sort?14:56
yofelsgclark: part of the devscripts package:14:56
yofel       wrap-and-sort - wrap long lines and sort items in Debian packaging files14:56
yofelreadability++14:56
yofelshadeslayer: I think we should make wrap-and-sort mandatory for kde as maxy uses it now, right?14:58
shadeslayeryep14:58
sgclarkis that a program? or setting in my text program? word wrap is easy enough, unsure on sort bit14:59
shadeslayer<maxy> shadeslayer: Also, please, run wrap-and-sort, that will create smaller diffs14:59
yofelsgclark: program14:59
yofelsgclark: just run it inside the debian/ folder14:59
sgclarkahh ok thank you14:59
Riddellsgclark: go ahead14:59
shadeslayeryofel: or well, in the folder that contains the debian folder :)15:00
yofelah right, that works too15:00
yofelI got confused as I always had to pass -d . for neon as those branches have no folder inside ^^15:01
Riddellwrap-and-sort gives me a unicode error, wasn't python 3 supposed to get rid of unicode errors? http://paste.kde.org/plmycnavi15:01
Riddellmm yes wrap-and-sort is nice when it doesn't give a unicode error15:02
apacheloggerpython15:02
* apachelogger giggles15:02
yofelpython needs to have at least one unicode bug per release, otherwise it's boring15:05
* Riddell wraps wrap-and-sort around apachelogger and squeezes the breath out of him15:05
* yofel puts marble-mobile on him to finish the work15:06
Riddellshadeslayer: will you do a big announcement of kubuntu at akademy?15:07
yofelapachelogger: maxy found something fun:15:07
yofeldebian/marble-mobile.install:usr/bin/marble-mobile15:07
yofeldebian/marble.install:usr/bin/marble-mobile15:07
apacheloggersomeone forgot to remove it from install15:08
* apachelogger hides15:08
apacheloggeryofel: nice catch15:08
* apachelogger wonders why that can build15:09
shadeslayerRiddell: need to co ordinate with akademy folks15:09
yofelthat'll build fine, it just won't install ^^15:09
shadeslayerI think the major stake holders are all there15:09
shadeslayerso I can go ahead and book the room15:09
shadeslayerFYI Anyone attending akademy / who wants to attend akademy https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-akademy15:09
apacheloggeryofel: in what scenario would two packages want to have the exactly same file though15:10
apacheloggermy point is: things like that actually should cause a build failure15:10
yofelcan't really think of one that can't be solved by a -common package15:10
apacheloggerright, so it should fail :P15:11
yofelalthough15:11
apacheloggeranyway, 30 lashes for apachelogger15:11
yofelwe did have that case I believe while double-building kde-workspace, at least when it comes to file paths15:11
yofelI would appreciate a lintian warning though15:12
sgclarkerr UnicodeDecodeError not sure where to go with this15:14
yofelwait you too? -.-15:15
yofelwarrants a bug report I believe..15:15
Riddellyou can just do   wrap-and-sort -f debian/control15:15
RiddellI don't think it cares about any other file does it?15:15
yofelit runs over all files, at least when it comes to trimming15:16
yofelesp. install file sorting is nice15:16
yofelrules maybe not now that I think about it15:16
yofelok, checked the script, it runs over control[.in], copyright[.in], *.install15:17
shadeslayeryofel: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2014-May/000673.html15:19
shadeslayerQuintasan: ^^15:19
sgclarkok, well I narrowed it down to copyright being the problem file, The little copyright symbols 15:21
Riddellaah15:27
Riddellyou don't need those really15:27
Riddellbut then wrap-and-sort shouldn't crash because of them15:27
* Riddell runs wrap-and-sort on all of kf5 packages15:28
* Riddell starts a shadeslayer for MOTU campaign15:28
Riddellshadeslayer: are you hanging out in the motu irc channel? on the mailing list? is there even much of motu alive these days?15:29
sgclarkstill crashing15:29
shadeslayerRiddell: yes, yes, dunno15:30
shadeslayerlast email on ubuntu-motu is from 3 days ago15:30
Riddellsgclark: I just did wrap-and-sort -f debian/control15:31
Riddelland then fancy bash loops for the .install file15:31
Quintasanshadeslayer: I didn't write down anything there?15:35
Quintasanwtf15:35
shadeslayerQuintasan: no15:35
shadeslayerbad Quintasan15:35
Riddelluh oh, running wrap-and-sort on kunitconversion it deleted two of the packages15:36
sgclarkRiddell: ok, I am not versed in fancy bash loops. I did dind the other hiccups, names that have international chars15:36
sgclarkack15:36
sgclarkso yofel: it seems wrap-and-sort only handles en_* ? that will certainly be an issue on copyright files...15:38
yofelI never had it crash on me...15:38
sgclarkinteresting15:38
yofelbut it indeed doesn't like kunitconversion o.O15:38
sgclarkis it maybe that I only have en_US install on my computer?15:39
Riddellcurrently I have fr_GB on my computer, which might not help15:40
yofelI usually only have en_US too, but I might also have de_DE15:41
sgclarkI am going to try and install some more languages, certainly won't hurt.15:41
yofelFWIW, it can handle '©' fine here15:41
sgclarkinteresting15:43
apacheloggerthe locale does not matter, the encoding after the locale does15:46
apacheloggerto that extent it is entirely possible that fr_GB.UTF-8 for example could be discard as invalid locale and C could be used instead and I think with C you always get iso encoding regardless of what might be configured elsewhere15:47
yofelapachelogger: there actually is a lintian warning for double install:16:07
yofelW: marble source: binaries-have-file-conflict marble marble-mobile usr/bin/marble-mobile16:07
* yofel makes his way home16:08
apacheloggeryofel: curious16:09
Quintasanshadeslayer: There you go.16:14
sgclarkRiddell: Added Vcs entries and wrap-andsort on all but copyright. kfilemetadata5 is good to go. I will have to fight with my encoding later...16:28
shadeslayerQuintasan: cheers16:29
shadeslayerRiddell: yofel kdepim-runtime up too17:32
shadeslayerand with that I'm off for the day17:33
shadeslayernight17:33
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ovidiu-florinvalorie: sent you the invite19:45
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1289600] Fix for crashes due to ubuntu-specific accessibility patch @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1289600 (by Alexey Borzenkov)21:33
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valoriethank you ovidiu-florin23:32
dodgerso i think tearing  prevention is currently broken23:39
dodgerit doesn't seem to want to vsync no matter what i do :P23:39

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