[00:01] <valorie> off to dinner & dad's
[00:35] <mamarley> Riddell: Could I be taken off the Kubuntu Ninjas list?  My "real job" is taking up too much time for me to be an effective tester.
[06:19] <soee> good morning
[07:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: please promote dev to admin https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+members
[08:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: voila, remember with great power comes greater amounts of spam
[08:20] <apachelogger> thx I think everyone filters that to trash already ^^
[08:20] <apachelogger> I certainly do
[09:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you give me the bug number for the Qt SRU
[10:00] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:02] <shadeslayer> hmm
[10:02] <shadeslayer> someone should be reviewing sgclark's work 
[10:02] <shadeslayer> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/ksysguard/view/head:/debian/rules#L9
[10:03] <shadeslayer> shouldn't that be overriden_test
[10:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: shouldn't what be overriden_test?
[10:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: bug 1289600
[10:20] <shadeslayer> erm
[10:20] <shadeslayer> I meant overriden_command
[10:24] <Riddell> $(overridden_command) is correct
[10:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: right, but sgclark seems to be passing the actual command :)
[10:34] <shadeslayer> oh hm, maybe overriden_command doesn't work with xvfb 
[10:36] <Riddell> ah you mean "xvfb-run -a dh_auto_test" should be "xvfb-run -a $(overridden_command)"  ?
[10:36] <Riddell> you could well be right, although it's not very important, but do tell her that
[10:37] <shadeslayer> yep
[10:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I do have this e-mail from her "ksysguard rev 3 in bzr needs review and upload Added sensors support and some cleanup."
[10:37] <shadeslayer> but I /think/ using overridden_command with xvfb doesn't work
[10:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I can't get plasma to crash in the 12.04.4 ISO 
[10:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: just like the other person trying to verify, annoying when a bug disappears
[11:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: commented, so what do we do now?
[11:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: on the bug? get the ones which are verified in at least
[11:08] <Riddell> and close the other one as disappeared if nobody can recreate it
[11:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do you know sgclark's launchpad page?
[11:26] <Riddell> it's... scarlett!
[11:27] <sgclark> Riddell: morning :)
[11:30] <Riddell> sgclark: there's no commits from you in oxygen bzr, where did you put your changes?
[11:31] <sgclark> Riddell: still local due to the list-missing items I had questions on, I can commit what I have if you want
[11:32] <Riddell> sgclark: go ahead and commit, easiest way to share I guess and revision control is easy to revert
[11:38] <sgclark> Riddell: committed
[11:40] <Riddell> sgclark: groovy, I don't know if oxygen-settings5 is used but let's install it just incase
[11:41] <Riddell> sgclark: the .so links in libraries are only used when compiling another programme against that library and I'm pretty sure nothing else uses these libraries
[11:41] <Riddell> and it's usually not a good idea to install the .so and .h files which allow something to use it unless you know it has a stable ABI/API
[11:41] <sgclark> ahh ok
[11:42] <Riddell> I'm pretty sure these libraries are only some shared code between the window decoration and the qwidget style, but nothing outside the oxygen package
[11:42] <sgclark> gotcha, then it looks good to me :)
[11:42] <Riddell> sgclark: do you want to upload to experimental as reviewer?
[11:42] <sgclark> sure!
[11:48] <Riddell> sgclark: you know about bzr-buildpackage-ppa ?
[11:48] <sgclark> Riddell: nope
[11:50] <Riddell> sgclark: wee script in kubuntu-automation to build a source package from an unreleased bzr 
[11:51] <Riddell> it'll download the .orig, set UNRELEASED to trusty and add the ~ppa1 bit on the version number
[11:51] <Riddell> then you can just dput ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental foo.changes
[11:55] <Blizzz> mh, i can use either external and internal mic or none at all.
[11:58] <Riddell> Blizzz: sounds like a good set of choices
[11:58] <Blizzz> simplyfies things–
[12:09] <sgclark> Riddell: I cannot find the source changes file. it fails at debsign, obviously because i am not you.
[12:11] <Riddell> sgclark: debsign -k me@me.com  foo.changes
[12:11] <Riddell> I set this..
[12:11] <Riddell> >cat .devscripts 
[12:11] <Riddell> DEBSIGN_KEYID=jriddell@ubuntu.com
[12:14] <sgclark> Riddell: worked! thank you
[12:15] <sgclark> Riddell: oxygen uploaded!
[12:17] <Riddell> yay! thanks
[12:19] <mamarley> Riddell: Could I be taken off the Kubuntu Ninjas list?  My "real job" is taking up too much time for me to be an effective tester.  Sorry :(
[12:22] <Riddell> mamarley: you mean the irc ping?
[12:24] <mamarley> Riddell: That, and I have removed the secret PPA from my list.
[12:24] <mamarley> Sorry, I just don't have time for it anymore.
[12:27] <Riddell> mamarley: no problem, you're welcome back any time you're able to help :)
[12:31] <mamarley> Thanks!
[12:39] <Riddell> sgclark: are you going to make a doodle poll for your membership meeting?
[12:41] <sgclark> Riddell: doodle poll?
[12:41] <Riddell> sgclark: doodle.com easiest way of finding dates/times people can agree on
[12:41] <sgclark> Riddell: also getting python errors trying to make wiki, should I make one on ubuntu as suggested?
[12:43] <Riddell> sgclark: yeah just use wiki.ubuntu.com, it's the same wiki just different domain
[12:48] <sgclark> Riddell: err emails to send this doodle to?
[12:48] <Riddell> sgclark: none
[12:49] <Riddell> sgclark: just send it manually to kubuntu-devel mailing list
[12:53] <shadeslayer> sgclark: ping
[12:53] <sgclark> shadeslayer: present
[12:53] <shadeslayer> not a roll call :P
[12:54] <shadeslayer> sgclark: any reason to drop qapt-batch from gwenview recommends
[12:54] <sgclark> shadeslayer: ask debian
[12:54] <shadeslayer> sgclark: no, that's ubuntu specific delta
[12:54] <shadeslayer> since we ship with the kipi installation patch
[12:55]  * sgclark hates merges
[12:55] <sgclark> I was told to go with debian so no I don't know. if it is wrong then change it. sorry
[12:56] <shadeslayer> sgclark: you only go with debian if it makes sense to drop the ubuntu change
[12:57] <yofel> hm, somehow kget is missing 2 versions in the changelog o.O
[12:59] <yofel> Riddell: ^ ?
[12:59] <Riddell> spooky
[13:00] <sgclark> yofel: I use merge_changelog
[13:00] <Riddell> I've always said I don't trust those merge scripts
[13:00] <ScottK> sgclark: merges are hard. 
[13:00] <yofel> nono, not that, it's 4:4.13.0-0ubuntu1 -> 4:4.13.0-0ubuntu4
[13:00] <yofel> where's 2 and 3 ?
[13:00] <sgclark> ScottK: I am seeing that
[13:01] <yofel> sgclark: can it be that you're using 'dch -i' to edit changelogs? Please don't use -i for UNRELEASED
[13:01] <ScottK> Good way to learn stuff though. 
[13:01] <yofel> also, tag is missing in bzr
[13:03] <sgclark> yofel: oh, I was trying to upload to my ppa after fails but couldn't because it existed. Probably does not need to be 4. My fault
[13:03] <yofel> sgclark: for ppa's please add ~ppaX
[13:03] <yofel> that way the archive package will also be higher than the PPA package
[13:03] <sgclark> ok
[13:04] <yofel> sgclark: also, in case you don't know what's up with all the : and ~ in our versions: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version
[13:05] <sgclark> yofel: thank you, will read that!
[13:06] <yofel> Riddell: and please don't forget to tag the branch after uploading
[13:08] <shadeslayer> sgclark: gwenview looks good apart from that qapt recommends, do you want to push your merge into bzr or should I?
[13:09] <Riddell> yofel: I don't think I've ever manually pushed a tag, do we actually care about them?
[13:09] <sgclark> shadeslayer: I would be grateful if you would :)
[13:09] <yofel> Riddell: well, they're handy to know what commit was actually uploaded. And our scripts and me add them at least
[13:10] <shadeslayer> sgclark: ok
[13:10] <yofel> usually it's just running 'bzr tag' which will figure out the version itself
[13:11] <Riddell> mgraesslin: I'm getting lots of XCB requirements from cmake output of oxygen (presumably window decoration), do you know if they're actually needed?  (click show/hide by the orange oxygen here http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_4.96.0_trusty.html)
[13:11] <yofel> shadeslayer: looking at kdepim now, didn't get to it yesterday
[13:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: cheers
[13:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: I was thinking of just running the build in a lxc and then installing the packages
[13:11] <shadeslayer> to make sure stuff didn't conflict
[13:11] <mgraesslin> Riddell: my gut feeling is "no"
[13:12] <Riddell> mgraesslin: thanks
[13:12] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, that will only find the conflicts for the order that apt decides to upgrade the packages in
[13:12] <yofel> the diff isn't that long
[13:12] <shadeslayer> right
[13:12] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:14] <ScottK> yofel: IMO whoever uploads should push the tag.
[13:14] <shadeslayer> sgclark: pushed to bzr, thx for merging gwenview :)
[13:15] <yofel> that's what I meant, though I see that what I said can be misunderstood
[13:15] <sgclark> shadeslayer: thank you. I will get better at this!
[13:15] <shadeslayer> sgclark: np
[13:19] <yofel> shadeslayer: btw. breaks/replaces versions should end with a ~
[13:20] <yofel> if they have ubuntu in them
[13:20] <yofel> or really in general
[13:23] <shadeslayer> sgclark: fwiw kalgebra merge wasn't required
[13:24]  * yofel is curious why not
[13:24] <sgclark> it was on the list!
[13:25] <yofel> hm, they didn't change much yet indeed
[13:25] <shadeslayer> yofel: last change was in 4.12.4
[13:25] <shadeslayer> which we have
[13:25] <yofel> ah true
[13:26] <shadeslayer> sgclark: the list a list of all KDE SC packages which might/might not need a merge :P
[13:26] <ScottK> Doesn't hurt. 
[13:26] <shadeslayer> ScottK: hm?
[13:27] <shadeslayer> sgclark: I don't see amor in https://launchpad.net/~scarlett-7/+archive/kubuntu-ppa
[13:27] <shadeslayer> or kget
[13:27] <sgclark> shadeslayer: afaik Riddell: got those
[13:28] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:28] <ScottK> Even if the merge is only changelog entries, there's no harm in it. 
[13:29] <shadeslayer> ScottK: it's not even changelog entries :)
[13:29] <yofel> shadeslayer: kget at least is already in archive :/
[13:29] <shadeslayer> yofel: oh ok
[13:31] <ScottK> Oh 
[13:31]  * shadeslayer starts on kdepimlibs
[13:32] <sgclark> I am trying to apply for memebership, if any kind souls could give me testimonial or cheers here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScarlettGatelyClark#preview pretty please
[13:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I uploaded amor but forgot to put it in bzr, done now
[13:36] <sgclark> Riddell: I had to fix depends in systemsettings, pushed to bzr if you could review and push
[13:36] <yofel> again with missing version in changelog -.-
[13:37] <yofel> with tag though, Riddell++
[13:49] <yofel> shadeslayer: kdepim r359 up
[13:50] <yofel> I removed the breaks/replaces for the mobile stuff, I didn't see anything getting moved there
[13:56] <yofel> sgclark: could you maybe put up a new doodle poll that has actual times in it? We live all over the world, with our respective work times so the poll should also allow us to find a time to meet, not just a date
[13:56] <yofel> would be nice
[13:56] <sgclark> yofel: exactly, I have absolutely no idea what time to choose
[13:57] <sgclark> I am in the US
[13:57] <yofel> sgclark: enable all times that you are available at
[13:57] <sgclark> but can set my alarm to accomodate
[13:57] <yofel> i.e. you're not... sleeping/in town/work/school/drunk/whatever
[13:57] <sgclark> I am flexible, usually up pretty early
[13:58] <yofel> well, then you can enable all 24h hours of the day, so we can put in the times when we have time
[13:58] <sgclark> that is what I did
[13:59] <yofel> that resulted in there being one checkbox for the whole day :/
[13:59] <sgclark> oh I see, ok
[14:00] <manchicken>  /join #kubuntu
[14:00] <manchicken> Death to the space bar
[14:00] <yofel> hehe
[14:03] <apachelogger> am I getting old or is it just incredibly hard to write sudo apt install instead of sudo apt-get install
[14:05] <Riddell> why would you want to?
[14:05] <apachelogger> because colors
[14:05] <apachelogger> apt has arrived in the 1900's now \o/
[14:06] <Riddell> ooh ooh apt exists!
[14:06] <Riddell> at last one simple to type command that can do what the other commands could with extra typing
[14:06] <Riddell> today is a good day
[14:06] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes, you're getting old, here's your zimmer frame
[14:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you're old
[14:06] <shadeslayer> It took me only 2 weeks to switch
[14:07] <apachelogger> I think I should have made aliases at some point and then reused those
[14:07] <yofel> apt also has progressbars!
[14:07] <yofel> <3 progressbars
[14:07] <yofel> though I agree with apachelogger :D
[14:08] <apachelogger> you must also be old then
[14:08] <shadeslayer> ^^
[14:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: GET OFF MY LAWN!
[14:08] <Riddell> wow, colours! progress bars!
[14:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you don't have one old man
[14:08] <apachelogger> pfft
[14:08] <apachelogger> scru u old sport
[14:10] <apachelogger> now apt just needs short hand aliases and I'd almost be happy
[14:10] <apachelogger> apt in htop 
[14:10] <apachelogger> would be so much better
[14:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, did you try tarme.rb?
[14:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: sorry, it's on the todo list
[14:12] <apachelogger> no rush, busy with other stuff this week anyway
[14:35] <sgclark> Riddell: sorry my internet cut out and my systemsettings did not get get pushed, it is now though if you could review and push.
[14:37] <Riddell> thanks sgclark 
[14:39] <yofel> sgclark: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/workspace/systemsettings would be the correct homepage
[14:39] <yofel> also, it would be nice if the control files had the Vcs-* fields
[14:42] <sgclark> Vcs- fields? bzr address?
[14:43] <yofel> right
[14:43] <yofel> like the sc packages do
[14:43] <sgclark> ok
[14:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: Riddell kdepimlibs merged as well
[14:49] <shadeslayer> plz review when you have time
[14:50] <yofel> .gitattributes? ^^
[14:50] <shadeslayer> uf
[14:52] <yofel> looks fine though
[14:53] <sgclark> yofel, Riddell: fixed homepage and Vcs systemsettings
[14:54] <Riddell> sgclark: I've pushed kfilemetadata5 ready for review
[14:54] <yofel> thanks :)
[14:54] <sgclark> Riddell: ok reviewing
[14:55] <yofel> Riddell: also missing Vcs-* entries 
[14:55] <yofel> also, debian now uses wrap-and-sort, so we should do the same
[14:55] <sgclark> Riddell; I can add them if you wish
[14:56] <sgclark> yofel: wrap-and-sort?
[14:56] <yofel> sgclark: part of the devscripts package:
[14:56] <yofel>        wrap-and-sort - wrap long lines and sort items in Debian packaging files
[14:56] <yofel> readability++
[14:58] <yofel> shadeslayer: I think we should make wrap-and-sort mandatory for kde as maxy uses it now, right?
[14:58] <shadeslayer> yep
[14:59] <sgclark> is that a program? or setting in my text program? word wrap is easy enough, unsure on sort bit
 shadeslayer: Also, please, run wrap-and-sort, that will create smaller diffs
[14:59] <yofel> sgclark: program
[14:59] <yofel> sgclark: just run it inside the debian/ folder
[14:59] <sgclark> ahh ok thank you
[14:59] <Riddell> sgclark: go ahead
[15:00] <shadeslayer> yofel: or well, in the folder that contains the debian folder :)
[15:00] <yofel> ah right, that works too
[15:01] <yofel> I got confused as I always had to pass -d . for neon as those branches have no folder inside ^^
[15:01] <Riddell> wrap-and-sort gives me a unicode error, wasn't python 3 supposed to get rid of unicode errors? http://paste.kde.org/plmycnavi
[15:02] <Riddell> mm yes wrap-and-sort is nice when it doesn't give a unicode error
[15:02] <apachelogger> python
[15:02]  * apachelogger giggles
[15:05] <yofel> python needs to have at least one unicode bug per release, otherwise it's boring
[15:05]  * Riddell wraps wrap-and-sort around apachelogger and squeezes the breath out of him
[15:06]  * yofel puts marble-mobile on him to finish the work
[15:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: will you do a big announcement of kubuntu at akademy?
[15:07] <yofel> apachelogger: maxy found something fun:
[15:07] <yofel> debian/marble-mobile.install:usr/bin/marble-mobile
[15:07] <yofel> debian/marble.install:usr/bin/marble-mobile
[15:08] <apachelogger> someone forgot to remove it from install
[15:08]  * apachelogger hides
[15:08] <apachelogger> yofel: nice catch
[15:09]  * apachelogger wonders why that can build
[15:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: need to co ordinate with akademy folks
[15:09] <yofel> that'll build fine, it just won't install ^^
[15:09] <shadeslayer> I think the major stake holders are all there
[15:09] <shadeslayer> so I can go ahead and book the room
[15:09] <shadeslayer> FYI Anyone attending akademy / who wants to attend akademy https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-akademy
[15:10] <apachelogger> yofel: in what scenario would two packages want to have the exactly same file though
[15:10] <apachelogger> my point is: things like that actually should cause a build failure
[15:10] <yofel> can't really think of one that can't be solved by a -common package
[15:11] <apachelogger> right, so it should fail :P
[15:11] <yofel> although
[15:11] <apachelogger> anyway, 30 lashes for apachelogger
[15:11] <yofel> we did have that case I believe while double-building kde-workspace, at least when it comes to file paths
[15:12] <yofel> I would appreciate a lintian warning though
[15:14] <sgclark> err UnicodeDecodeError not sure where to go with this
[15:15] <yofel> wait you too? -.-
[15:15] <yofel> warrants a bug report I believe..
[15:15] <Riddell> you can just do   wrap-and-sort -f debian/control
[15:15] <Riddell> I don't think it cares about any other file does it?
[15:16] <yofel> it runs over all files, at least when it comes to trimming
[15:16] <yofel> esp. install file sorting is nice
[15:16] <yofel> rules maybe not now that I think about it
[15:17] <yofel> ok, checked the script, it runs over control[.in], copyright[.in], *.install
[15:19] <shadeslayer> yofel: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2014-May/000673.html
[15:19] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ^^
[15:21] <sgclark> ok, well I narrowed it down to copyright being the problem file, The little copyright symbols 
[15:27] <Riddell> aah
[15:27] <Riddell> you don't need those really
[15:27] <Riddell> but then wrap-and-sort shouldn't crash because of them
[15:28]  * Riddell runs wrap-and-sort on all of kf5 packages
[15:28]  * Riddell starts a shadeslayer for MOTU campaign
[15:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: are you hanging out in the motu irc channel? on the mailing list? is there even much of motu alive these days?
[15:29] <sgclark> still crashing
[15:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes, yes, dunno
[15:30] <shadeslayer> last email on ubuntu-motu is from 3 days ago
[15:31] <Riddell> sgclark: I just did wrap-and-sort -f debian/control
[15:31] <Riddell> and then fancy bash loops for the .install file
[15:35] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I didn't write down anything there?
[15:35] <Quintasan> wtf
[15:35] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: no
[15:35] <shadeslayer> bad Quintasan
[15:36] <Riddell> uh oh, running wrap-and-sort on kunitconversion it deleted two of the packages
[15:36] <sgclark> Riddell: ok, I am not versed in fancy bash loops. I did dind the other hiccups, names that have international chars
[15:36] <sgclark> ack
[15:38] <sgclark> so yofel: it seems wrap-and-sort only handles en_* ? that will certainly be an issue on copyright files...
[15:38] <yofel> I never had it crash on me...
[15:38] <sgclark> interesting
[15:38] <yofel> but it indeed doesn't like kunitconversion o.O
[15:39] <sgclark> is it maybe that I only have en_US install on my computer?
[15:40] <Riddell> currently I have fr_GB on my computer, which might not help
[15:41] <yofel> I usually only have en_US too, but I might also have de_DE
[15:41] <sgclark> I am going to try and install some more languages, certainly won't hurt.
[15:41] <yofel> FWIW, it can handle '©' fine here
[15:43] <sgclark> interesting
[15:46] <apachelogger> the locale does not matter, the encoding after the locale does
[15:47] <apachelogger> to that extent it is entirely possible that fr_GB.UTF-8 for example could be discard as invalid locale and C could be used instead and I think with C you always get iso encoding regardless of what might be configured elsewhere
[16:07] <yofel> apachelogger: there actually is a lintian warning for double install:
[16:07] <yofel> W: marble source: binaries-have-file-conflict marble marble-mobile usr/bin/marble-mobile
[16:08]  * yofel makes his way home
[16:09] <apachelogger> yofel: curious
[16:14] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: There you go.
[16:28] <sgclark> Riddell: Added Vcs entries and wrap-andsort on all but copyright. kfilemetadata5 is good to go. I will have to fight with my encoding later...
[16:29] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: cheers
[17:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yofel kdepim-runtime up too
[17:33] <shadeslayer> and with that I'm off for the day
[17:33] <shadeslayer> night
[19:45] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: sent you the invite
[21:33] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1289600] Fix for crashes due to ubuntu-specific accessibility patch @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1289600 (by Alexey Borzenkov)
[23:32] <valorie> thank you ovidiu-florin
[23:39] <dodger> so i think tearing  prevention is currently broken
[23:39] <dodger> it doesn't seem to want to vsync no matter what i do :P