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mappsmorning05:35
mappsnew fargo ep..yay05:35
MooDoomorning all06:08
mappshey MooDoo06:14
MooDoohow are you mapps06:33
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mappsnot bad mate,you?07:05
mappsjust paid for my flights to cz:D07:05
MooDooyeah I'm ok, what you going there for?07:06
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.07:07
MooDoohello brobostigon :)07:07
brobostigonmorning MooDoo :)07:08
mappsgoing to see my friend in Nymburk again07:08
mappswent to prague last year..and travelled to nymburk 2 days to see him07:08
MooDoomapps: fab :)07:08
mappsthis time going to stay in Nymburk..30mins outsude prague :D07:08
mappsMooDoo07:32
mappsyou see latest 24?07:32
mappswhat a good ep:)07:32
MooDoomapps: no just seen ep 3 / 4 yes07:32
mappsah07:32
mapps4 was good:)07:33
bashrcmorning08:02
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MooDooLizvyvyan@richborne.co.uk   on Microsoft Outlook,11:16
MooDooraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa damn right click11:16
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locodir-userHi everybody, please help me erasing files from trash. I moved to trash 17gb to save space then I pressed restore and now I can't erase everything :(11:52
MartijnVdSRestore? That moves the files back *out* of the trash11:55
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Adriannomlo. my machine is moving like a snail and 50% of 8gb of ram is used by cache, 45% by programs, cpu usage is low. is ubuntu badly managing the ram or something? is there a way to make it better?12:00
Adriannom55% / 45% rather12:01
Adriannomwhen my ram usage drops below 100% everything runs faster12:04
locodir-useryes Martijnvds so what do u suggest me to do?12:05
MartijnVdSAdriannom: no, lots of cache is good12:06
MartijnVdSAdriannom: it's not swapping is it?12:06
MartijnVdSlocodir-user: I have no idea.. delete the files again?12:07
AdriannomMartijnVdS, how can i tell?12:07
locodir-useryes but is telling me error :(12:07
locodir-userThere was an error deleting12:08
AdriannomMartijnVdS, i mean, if 100% ram usage is a good thing and if there's no alternative then i can only assume that it is. however it goes on for ages and really disrupts my work, gotta wait sometimes 10 seconds or more for each click or whatever to take effect :/12:14
MartijnVdSAdriannom: you can count the "cached" bit as "free" RAM in  Linux12:17
Adriannomyup, i get what you're saying there12:17
Adriannomi mean i guess there's no alternative, it must be swapping12:17
MartijnVdSAdriannom: it's only used as a disk cache, so the OS doesn't have to re-read things from disk all the time (RAM is *way* faster)12:17
Adriannomi trust you ;)12:18
MartijnVdSit can't be swapping a lot if 50% is disk cache12:18
Adriannomand it makes sense12:18
MartijnVdS"free" shows you how much swap is used12:18
Adriannomok12:18
Adriannomactually i can see 25% swap space is in use on the system monitor12:18
Adriannombut it's not sluggish now so :/12:19
MartijnVdSsomething might have used a lot of space earlier12:19
MartijnVdSlot of memory, even12:19
MartijnVdSso everything else was put into swap12:19
MartijnVdSnow the offender might be gone12:19
Adriannomright12:19
MartijnVdSbut everything is still in swap12:19
Adriannomthing is12:19
MartijnVdSusing it will get it out12:19
Adriannomi looked at the processes straight away and there was nothing big there12:19
MartijnVdSyou can check the likely offender by running 'top' and pressing 'M' (capital M) to sort by memory use12:19
Adriannombut i suppose it might have gone already by that point12:20
Adriannomi suppose i had to look at the processes BEFORE the sluggishenss?12:20
Adriannomok12:20
Adriannomyeah there is/was nothing since the time the machine started choking12:21
MartijnVdScheck the kernel log, if the "out of memory" killer killed it, it;s in there12:22
Adriannomnothing in there about memory/ram/cache/swap12:25
Adriannominterestingly i see periodic nfs server not responding messages12:25
popeyAfternoon.12:27
Adriannomlo12:29
Myrtti:-| I want licorice ice cream12:35
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DJonesIf you've got an ebay account, you may want to change your password http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-2750329013:30
MooDooAfternoon all13:59
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)13:59
popeyyo14:07
bigcalmExciting day, eh?14:19
locodir-userso ubuntu cannot erase my files from trash14:19
davmor2locodir-user: what does it say14:21
MooDoodavmor2: what does who say?  the fox? ;)14:24
davmor2we all know what the fox says14:25
MooDoolol14:25
locodir-userThere was an error deleting14:28
TwistedLucidityNot...helpful...umm, tried checking in /var/log/syslog?14:36
MartijnVdShave you tried doing it by hand?14:36
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daftykinshttp://arstechnica.com/security/2014/05/ebay-password-database-hacked-users-asked-to-change-passwords/16:43
daftykinschange your ebay and paypal passes16:43
daftykins=|16:43
MartijnVdSgreat16:43
MartijnVdSthey don't allow copy/pasting in a new password16:45
MartijnVdSAGHGH16:45
daftykinsyou lazy git :)16:46
MartijnVdSdaftykins: I'm not re-typing a 32-character random password.16:49
MartijnVdStwice.16:49
daftykins:D16:49
daftykinsdo you use password managers?16:49
MartijnVdSdaftykins: yes, but paypal somehow work around it16:49
MartijnVdS(actually, using 'pass' + a gnupg key from the command line, so I always copy/paste)16:50
daftykinsoh it was more an aside query16:50
awilkinsUgh, our servers at work are configured like that16:58
awilkinsjust provokes swearing when you have to type a gobbledegook password16:58
daftykinslol17:01
daftykinsblast from the past: https://www.dropbox.com/s/g5h01jwuvs8dk63/lappy2.JPG17:01
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Azelphurwho needs a keyboard :P17:07
shaunowhy do places stop you pasting passwords?17:10
shaunoespecially since they're almost all using jquery now, you can just $('input').unbind()17:10
daftykinsAzelphur: damn straight! there was a pic beside it assembled, but i shared that once before :>17:11
Azelphurshauno: yea it's annoying, I always just inspect element and disable the "feature"17:11
daftykinshaha17:13
daftykinsi just... deal with it17:13
daftykinsdo any of you have a good rsync template script you could share? :)17:19
shaunoI thought I did, and then it ate my apache config17:23
daftykinsD:17:23
daftykinsthat's nasty17:23
daftykinsi'm beyond amateurish with the way i have backup implemented for clients17:23
daftykinsmight just ask a mate if he'd like to sub for me to have an overhaul :D17:24
daftykinsas these are Windows users17:24
shaunoif you google time machine + rsync, you'll find a lot of people who have put rsync to work mimmicing time machine's behaviour with incremental backups & hardlinks17:24
daftykinsthat'd be for *nix though right?17:25
shaunoas long as the destination is *nix, I'm not sure it'd matter.  but just figured it might send you in the direction of whole-backup scripts17:25
daftykinstrue, that17:26
daftykinsi mostly have Synology NASs in for people really17:26
daftykinsi wonder if i should push people to do some cloud backup too to prevent these in-house NASs being a bit disingenuous17:27
shaunoI was actually pondering the other day, how well rsync would handle copying an entire device17:28
daftykinsplus NASs are online and could be encrypted by those malware nasties =/17:28
daftykinshehe17:28
mappshewwo17:31
daftykinshey mapps what's new?17:32
mappsnothing much17:34
mappsstill the same awful net :D17:34
daftykinsdid you catch my major server overhaul pics?17:35
mappsnie17:36
mappslets see17:36
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/sh/skrzdfi8q9rokxb/AADVgOITYFmr_8HPIXH2THT-a17:37
mappsnice17:44
daftykinsold array's unplugged now \o/17:50
daftykinsi really hate macs. creating .DS_Store files all over my network drives >_<17:51
daftykinsthough i did once hear it's an option to disable ;D17:51
shaunoyeah.  http://support.apple.com/kb/HT162917:52
daftykinsnot exactly what you want to do in a hurry though :>17:53
cbx33oh hai popey19:41
popeycbx33: yo21:20
cbx33popey, how the heck are ya dude?21:20
popeyGreat thanks, hows you?21:20
cbx33yeh pretty good21:20
cbx33just thought I'd pop in and say hey21:20
davmor2popey: are you allowed up this late21:31
davmor2popey: phone should have wifi, contacts, and a gallery app that works  with tomorrows updates21:32
popeyyay21:44
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diddledanrandom. just changed my ebay password as advised. the confirm email lists two IP addresses, called "IP Address" and "ISP Host" - the second one appears to be a private address, so I'm confused as to what it's referring23:26
daftykinsi took it to mean a gateway IP in my ISP23:29
diddledanso how do ebay know what the internal IP my ISP uses for it's gateway?23:30
diddledan10.91.112.6623:30
diddledanthat's the IP it lists23:31
diddledan10.x.x.x is private unroutable23:31
daftykinsi think i deleted my similar email already23:31
daftykinsyeah i had a 10. listed too23:31
shaunomine was ISP host: 10.91.112.7023:33
shaunoperhaps they mean that's what server took the connection on their side?23:33
shaunoeg, if they need moar logs, that's where they'll be23:33
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daftykinsnice one paypal23:43
daftykinsyour "send me a text to verify i'm me" doesn't accept Guernsey mobile numbers23:43
diddledangrr23:44
Azelphurdaftykins: I had one from them once, went something like "Payment for null from bank account ending in null failed because null"23:45
shaunowhat a coincidence - null is my postcode!23:45
daftykinsAzelphur: :D magic23:46
diddledangood ol' bobby tables?23:46
Azelphurindeed23:46
daftykinsdiddledan: in the voice of Nibbler from Futurama, "None... other..."23:47
shaunobarely related, but one that always gripes me .. ryanair demand a postcode.  they're an irish company, they should know ireland doesn't have them.23:48
daftykins=/23:57
daftykinsso you have to fudge it with a fake?23:57
shaunoyeah23:58
shaunoI normally put it as 'eire', because it actually looks semi-literate when it's printed23:58
shaunobut I get a lot of mail for 'null' and 'default'23:58
shaunoI think 'default' is anything that gets my address from paypal23:59
daftykinssomething you might find amusing is Apple don't actually accept Guernsey people as customers for the iTunes store and what not23:59
daftykinsit forces you to put in a UK postcode to function =|23:59

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