[05:35] <mapps> morning
[05:35] <mapps> new fargo ep..yay
[06:08] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:14] <mapps> hey MooDoo
[06:33] <MooDoo> how are you mapps
[07:05] <mapps> not bad mate,you?
[07:05] <mapps> just paid for my flights to cz:D
[07:06] <MooDoo> yeah I'm ok, what you going there for?
[07:07] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:07] <MooDoo> hello brobostigon :)
[07:08] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo :)
[07:08] <mapps> going to see my friend in Nymburk again
[07:08] <mapps> went to prague last year..and travelled to nymburk 2 days to see him
[07:08] <MooDoo> mapps: fab :)
[07:08] <mapps> this time going to stay in Nymburk..30mins outsude prague :D
[07:32] <mapps> MooDoo
[07:32] <mapps> you see latest 24?
[07:32] <mapps> what a good ep:)
[07:32] <MooDoo> mapps: no just seen ep 3 / 4 yes
[07:32] <mapps> ah
[07:33] <mapps> 4 was good:)
[08:02] <bashrc> morning
[11:16] <MooDoo> Lizvyvyan@richborne.co.uk   on Microsoft Outlook,
[11:16] <MooDoo> raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa damn right click
[11:52] <locodir-user> Hi everybody, please help me erasing files from trash. I moved to trash 17gb to save space then I pressed restore and now I can't erase everything :(
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> Restore? That moves the files back *out* of the trash
[12:00] <Adriannom> lo. my machine is moving like a snail and 50% of 8gb of ram is used by cache, 45% by programs, cpu usage is low. is ubuntu badly managing the ram or something? is there a way to make it better?
[12:01] <Adriannom> 55% / 45% rather
[12:04] <Adriannom> when my ram usage drops below 100% everything runs faster
[12:05] <locodir-user> yes Martijnvds so what do u suggest me to do?
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: no, lots of cache is good
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: it's not swapping is it?
[12:07] <MartijnVdS> locodir-user: I have no idea.. delete the files again?
[12:07] <Adriannom> MartijnVdS, how can i tell?
[12:07] <locodir-user> yes but is telling me error :(
[12:08] <locodir-user> There was an error deleting
[12:14] <Adriannom> MartijnVdS, i mean, if 100% ram usage is a good thing and if there's no alternative then i can only assume that it is. however it goes on for ages and really disrupts my work, gotta wait sometimes 10 seconds or more for each click or whatever to take effect :/
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: you can count the "cached" bit as "free" RAM in  Linux
[12:17] <Adriannom> yup, i get what you're saying there
[12:17] <Adriannom> i mean i guess there's no alternative, it must be swapping
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: it's only used as a disk cache, so the OS doesn't have to re-read things from disk all the time (RAM is *way* faster)
[12:18] <Adriannom> i trust you ;)
[12:18] <MartijnVdS> it can't be swapping a lot if 50% is disk cache
[12:18] <Adriannom> and it makes sense
[12:18] <MartijnVdS> "free" shows you how much swap is used
[12:18] <Adriannom> ok
[12:18] <Adriannom> actually i can see 25% swap space is in use on the system monitor
[12:19] <Adriannom> but it's not sluggish now so :/
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> something might have used a lot of space earlier
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> lot of memory, even
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> so everything else was put into swap
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> now the offender might be gone
[12:19] <Adriannom> right
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> but everything is still in swap
[12:19] <Adriannom> thing is
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> using it will get it out
[12:19] <Adriannom> i looked at the processes straight away and there was nothing big there
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> you can check the likely offender by running 'top' and pressing 'M' (capital M) to sort by memory use
[12:20] <Adriannom> but i suppose it might have gone already by that point
[12:20] <Adriannom> i suppose i had to look at the processes BEFORE the sluggishenss?
[12:20] <Adriannom> ok
[12:21] <Adriannom> yeah there is/was nothing since the time the machine started choking
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> check the kernel log, if the "out of memory" killer killed it, it;s in there
[12:25] <Adriannom> nothing in there about memory/ram/cache/swap
[12:25] <Adriannom> interestingly i see periodic nfs server not responding messages
[12:27] <popey> Afternoon.
[12:29] <Adriannom> lo
[12:35] <Myrtti> :-| I want licorice ice cream
[13:30] <DJones> If you've got an ebay account, you may want to change your password http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27503290
[13:59] <MooDoo> Afternoon all
[13:59] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[14:07] <popey> yo
[14:19] <bigcalm> Exciting day, eh?
[14:19] <locodir-user> so ubuntu cannot erase my files from trash
[14:21] <davmor2> locodir-user: what does it say
[14:24] <MooDoo> davmor2: what does who say?  the fox? ;)
[14:25] <davmor2> we all know what the fox says
[14:25] <MooDoo> lol
[14:28] <locodir-user> There was an error deleting
[14:36] <TwistedLucidity> Not...helpful...umm, tried checking in /var/log/syslog?
[14:36] <MartijnVdS> have you tried doing it by hand?
[16:43] <daftykins> http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/05/ebay-password-database-hacked-users-asked-to-change-passwords/
[16:43] <daftykins> change your ebay and paypal passes
[16:43] <daftykins> =|
[16:43] <MartijnVdS> great
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> they don't allow copy/pasting in a new password
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> AGHGH
[16:46] <daftykins> you lazy git :)
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: I'm not re-typing a 32-character random password.
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> twice.
[16:49] <daftykins> :D
[16:49] <daftykins> do you use password managers?
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: yes, but paypal somehow work around it
[16:50] <MartijnVdS> (actually, using 'pass' + a gnupg key from the command line, so I always copy/paste)
[16:50] <daftykins> oh it was more an aside query
[16:58] <awilkins> Ugh, our servers at work are configured like that
[16:58] <awilkins> just provokes swearing when you have to type a gobbledegook password
[17:01] <daftykins> lol
[17:01] <daftykins> blast from the past: https://www.dropbox.com/s/g5h01jwuvs8dk63/lappy2.JPG
[17:07] <Azelphur> who needs a keyboard :P
[17:10] <shauno> why do places stop you pasting passwords?
[17:10] <shauno> especially since they're almost all using jquery now, you can just $('input').unbind()
[17:11] <daftykins> Azelphur: damn straight! there was a pic beside it assembled, but i shared that once before :>
[17:11] <Azelphur> shauno: yea it's annoying, I always just inspect element and disable the "feature"
[17:13] <daftykins> haha
[17:13] <daftykins> i just... deal with it
[17:19] <daftykins> do any of you have a good rsync template script you could share? :)
[17:23] <shauno> I thought I did, and then it ate my apache config
[17:23] <daftykins> D:
[17:23] <daftykins> that's nasty
[17:23] <daftykins> i'm beyond amateurish with the way i have backup implemented for clients
[17:24] <daftykins> might just ask a mate if he'd like to sub for me to have an overhaul :D
[17:24] <daftykins> as these are Windows users
[17:24] <shauno> if you google time machine + rsync, you'll find a lot of people who have put rsync to work mimmicing time machine's behaviour with incremental backups & hardlinks
[17:25] <daftykins> that'd be for *nix though right?
[17:25] <shauno> as long as the destination is *nix, I'm not sure it'd matter.  but just figured it might send you in the direction of whole-backup scripts
[17:26] <daftykins> true, that
[17:26] <daftykins> i mostly have Synology NASs in for people really
[17:27] <daftykins> i wonder if i should push people to do some cloud backup too to prevent these in-house NASs being a bit disingenuous
[17:28] <shauno> I was actually pondering the other day, how well rsync would handle copying an entire device
[17:28] <daftykins> plus NASs are online and could be encrypted by those malware nasties =/
[17:28] <daftykins> hehe
[17:31] <mapps> hewwo
[17:32] <daftykins> hey mapps what's new?
[17:34] <mapps> nothing much
[17:34] <mapps> still the same awful net :D
[17:35] <daftykins> did you catch my major server overhaul pics?
[17:36] <mapps> nie
[17:36] <mapps> lets see
[17:37] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/skrzdfi8q9rokxb/AADVgOITYFmr_8HPIXH2THT-a
[17:44] <mapps> nice
[17:50] <daftykins> old array's unplugged now \o/
[17:51] <daftykins> i really hate macs. creating .DS_Store files all over my network drives >_<
[17:51] <daftykins> though i did once hear it's an option to disable ;D
[17:52] <shauno> yeah.  http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1629
[17:53] <daftykins> not exactly what you want to do in a hurry though :>
[19:41] <cbx33> oh hai popey
[21:20] <popey> cbx33: yo
[21:20] <cbx33> popey, how the heck are ya dude?
[21:20] <popey> Great thanks, hows you?
[21:20] <cbx33> yeh pretty good
[21:20] <cbx33> just thought I'd pop in and say hey
[21:31] <davmor2> popey: are you allowed up this late
[21:32] <davmor2> popey: phone should have wifi, contacts, and a gallery app that works  with tomorrows updates
[21:44] <popey> yay
[23:26] <diddledan> random. just changed my ebay password as advised. the confirm email lists two IP addresses, called "IP Address" and "ISP Host" - the second one appears to be a private address, so I'm confused as to what it's referring
[23:29] <daftykins> i took it to mean a gateway IP in my ISP
[23:30] <diddledan> so how do ebay know what the internal IP my ISP uses for it's gateway?
[23:30] <diddledan> 10.91.112.66
[23:31] <diddledan> that's the IP it lists
[23:31] <diddledan> 10.x.x.x is private unroutable
[23:31] <daftykins> i think i deleted my similar email already
[23:31] <daftykins> yeah i had a 10. listed too
[23:33] <shauno> mine was ISP host: 10.91.112.70
[23:33] <shauno> perhaps they mean that's what server took the connection on their side?
[23:33] <shauno> eg, if they need moar logs, that's where they'll be
[23:43] <daftykins> nice one paypal
[23:43] <daftykins> your "send me a text to verify i'm me" doesn't accept Guernsey mobile numbers
[23:44] <diddledan> grr
[23:45] <Azelphur> daftykins: I had one from them once, went something like "Payment for null from bank account ending in null failed because null"
[23:45] <shauno> what a coincidence - null is my postcode!
[23:46] <daftykins> Azelphur: :D magic
[23:46] <diddledan> good ol' bobby tables?
[23:46] <Azelphur> indeed
[23:47] <daftykins> diddledan: in the voice of Nibbler from Futurama, "None... other..."
[23:48] <shauno> barely related, but one that always gripes me .. ryanair demand a postcode.  they're an irish company, they should know ireland doesn't have them.
[23:57] <daftykins> =/
[23:57] <daftykins> so you have to fudge it with a fake?
[23:58] <shauno> yeah
[23:58] <shauno> I normally put it as 'eire', because it actually looks semi-literate when it's printed
[23:58] <shauno> but I get a lot of mail for 'null' and 'default'
[23:59] <shauno> I think 'default' is anything that gets my address from paypal
[23:59] <daftykins> something you might find amusing is Apple don't actually accept Guernsey people as customers for the iTunes store and what not
[23:59] <daftykins> it forces you to put in a UK postcode to function =|