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| soee | good morning | 06:15 |
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| === vinay is now known as Guest7190 | ||
| Riddell | hola amigos | 09:35 |
| lordievader | o/ | 10:11 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning all | 10:13 |
| lordievader | o/ | 10:15 |
| BluesKaj | \o | 10:21 |
| BluesKaj | :) | 10:21 |
| === thelionroars is now known as thelionsleeps | ||
| === thelionsleeps is now known as thelionroars | ||
| Riddell | hmm plasma git now needs qt 5.3, wibble | 11:45 |
| ScottK | Riddell: That's why I wrote ubuntu-devel saying we'd need it. | 12:00 |
| Riddell | I know, it's just sooner than is comfortable | 12:01 |
| Riddell | Mirv: mitya57: any packages in sight for 5.3? | 12:01 |
| ScottK | Riddell: They've started uploading to Debian experimental. | 12:03 |
| Riddell | ooh interesting | 12:03 |
| Riddell | and some rc packages in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-daily | 12:05 |
| ScottK | I think we ought to just merge from Debian and upload. In the meantime, lisandro in Debian could probably use some help. | 12:08 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: still needing merge reviews? | 12:08 |
| Mirv | Riddell: ugly ones in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta2 - not for faint-hearted packaging wise. I'm (slowly) working on more packaging in parallel, but this is just to get as much information of the 5.3 issues as possible early on | 12:21 |
| Mirv | s/more/better/ | 12:21 |
| kubotu | Mirv meant: "Riddell: ugly ones in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta2 - not for faint-hearted packaging wise. I'm (slowly) working on better packaging in parallel, but this is just to get as much information of the 5.3 issues as possible early on" | 12:21 |
| Riddell | Mirv: how do you mean in parallel? | 12:22 |
| Mirv | Riddell: like in different PPA and on the code branches (of which not everything is currently up-to-date). the beta2 branches don't have symbol updates, abi bumps etc. so I'm currently using one another PPA https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-005/+packages for slightly more quality packages | 12:26 |
| Mirv | qtbase has tests disabled though which could need a lot of work, and qt3d is failing tests on i386 | 12:26 |
| Riddell | Mirv: lovely, thanks, good luck! | 12:28 |
| Mirv | thanks, it's needed :) | 12:36 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: yeah | 12:43 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: kdepim-runtime | 12:44 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: http://www.daftpunk.com/daft-punk-logo-belt-buckle.html | 13:04 |
| shadeslayer | good god | 13:05 |
| apachelogger | oh oh oh | 13:05 |
| apachelogger | http://www.daftpunk.com/lose-yourself-to-dance-cinema-poster.html | 13:05 |
| apachelogger | dat 80's style merch is the best I say | 13:05 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 13:06 |
| shadeslayer | goes well with Quintasan's current facebook picture | 13:06 |
| * ScottK wonders if apachelogger was aware of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unicorn | 13:06 | |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: oh my don't remind me of that | 13:07 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: someone may have mentioned it at some point | 13:07 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: kdepim-runtime looks good, unnecessary space here http://paste.kde.org/pgycn5hr2 | 13:28 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: is that space not present in debian? | 13:30 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: not from running a diff between debian git and our bzr | 13:31 |
| Riddell | it's hardly very important :) | 13:32 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: ping? | 13:32 |
| ScottK | I think we should reconsider using a PPA for plasma5/next/whatever. | 13:42 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: oh? | 13:43 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: why? | 13:43 |
| ScottK | If we use alternatives to the archive to make it easier for us to update stuff that's going to be proof to upstream that this KF5 non-maintenance plan works. | 13:43 |
| ScottK | Masking problems now is going to bite us later. | 13:43 |
| shadeslayer | if we use the archive then we provide a sub par first experience with all the bug fixes and what not | 13:44 |
| ScottK | Yep. | 13:44 |
| ScottK | When people whine we point them upstream. | 13:44 |
| shadeslayer | upstream will probably just say ask your distro to update | 13:45 |
| ScottK | Then we get to have the argument over about support and does upstream care at all about distros and users. | 13:46 |
| ScottK | Sooner the better. | 13:46 |
| shadeslayer | at the cost of having users running potentially buggy code | 13:48 |
| ScottK | Now or later. No different. | 13:48 |
| ScottK | Later it's just harder to fix. | 13:48 |
| ScottK | BTW, all software is buggy, so it's not much of an argument. | 13:49 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: did your milou package get uploaded? | 14:18 |
| shadeslayer | I thought you uploaded it | 14:18 |
| shadeslayer | but then I recall ScottK saying he didn't see one | 14:19 |
| shadeslayer | so I guess not | 14:19 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: where can I find it again? | 14:19 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/milou/milou_0.1-0ubuntu1.dsc | 14:20 |
| Riddell | weird text message du jour "hello I am a boy in sri lanka. I want informations of ubuntu" phoned twice as well but hung up | 14:23 |
| Riddell | geeks are cute sometimes | 14:24 |
| apachelogger | sounds scary to me :O | 14:24 |
| shadeslayer | huh | 14:25 |
| shadeslayer | people still text | 14:25 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: milou uploaded! | 14:26 |
| shadeslayer | cool | 14:27 |
| Riddell | phoned again, "hello, I no speak english" | 14:31 |
| Riddell | hard to know what to say to that | 14:31 |
| Riddell | anyone know the Sinhala for "join the mailing list"? | 14:31 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: could try tamil | 14:32 |
| apachelogger | that made me think of tamriel | 14:33 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I can't work out how to use tarme.rb, how do you set options like what branch to use? | 14:45 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: you don't you use origins | 14:47 |
| apachelogger | for now anyway | 14:47 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: what does that mean? | 14:49 |
| santa_ | hello | 14:50 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: libkdegames needs review | 14:50 |
| santa_ | I would like to ask you if you have any packaging of milou | 14:50 |
| santa_ | couldn't find anything | 14:50 |
| santa_ | if not, may I package it? | 14:51 |
| Riddell | santa_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/milou/milou_0.1-0ubuntu1.dsc | 14:51 |
| shadeslayer | waiting for ScottK to approve now :) | 14:51 |
| santa_ | Riddell: thanks, what about the alternate baloo kcm? | 14:51 |
| shadeslayer | no packages for that yet | 14:52 |
| * shadeslayer couldn't be bothered about that | 14:52 | |
| santa_ | I did one for siduction | 14:52 |
| santa_ | could be adapted to ubuntu easily | 14:52 |
| santa_ | (I guess) | 14:52 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: --origin trunk|stable | 14:55 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: pong | 14:55 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/A20kVz1.png | 14:57 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: whatever is configured on projects.kde is what drives releaseme's origin | 14:57 |
| apachelogger | note the xml output box and the i18n trunk/stable branch settings | 14:57 |
| santa_ | shadeslayer: wrt milou cmake complains about missing optiona x11 and nepomuk core libraries when built here | 15:02 |
| santa_ | maybe you want to add nepomuk-core-dev and libx11-dev to build depends? | 15:03 |
| apachelogger | no one uses nepomuk anymore | 15:06 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: ah, but if I'm not an admin of a project, I can't set them | 15:07 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: should get that fixed then otherwise you can't manage releases very well ;) | 15:08 |
| apachelogger | namely if the administrators set a shitty branch the l10n will be broken | 15:09 |
| shadeslayer | santa_: IIRC the X11 stuff is not really required | 15:17 |
| santa_ | and nepomuk not being used, ok | 15:17 |
| shadeslayer | I don't see any output wrt nepomuk | 15:18 |
| shadeslayer | since milou is exclusively baloo | 15:18 |
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| kdeuser56 | yofel: will utopic be supported by neon soon? | 15:50 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: ^ | 15:50 |
| kdeuser56 | oh damn sorry | 15:51 |
| shadeslayer | not really | 15:51 |
| kdeuser56 | whats the rationale behind it? | 15:51 |
| shadeslayer | kdeuser56: usually we start after the first alpha/beta | 15:51 |
| shadeslayer | since there are not enough people running dev to justify bootstrapping it for dev | 15:51 |
| shadeslayer | the 14.04 stack is reasonably up to date, so no issues there too | 15:52 |
| kdeuser56 | shadeslayer: yeah but the kernel is not the latest and I need 3.15 :-( and mainline ppa is no option | 15:52 |
| shadeslayer | kdeuser56: and why do you need 3.15? | 15:53 |
| kdeuser56 | some btrfs testing I do and other stuff | 15:53 |
| shadeslayer | then please wait for first alpha/beta | 15:53 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ^^ do you want to bootstrap utopic? | 15:54 |
| kdeuser56 | shadeslayer: same for kubuntu updates ppa? | 15:54 |
| shadeslayer | kdeuser56: for kde 4.13.1? that's blocked on pending merges | 15:54 |
| shadeslayer | we started them shortly before 4.13.1 was released | 15:54 |
| shadeslayer | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-merges | 15:54 |
| kdeuser56 | shadeslayer: is bootstrapping that stuff much work? what does it involve? | 15:55 |
| shadeslayer | for starters you'd have to build Qt5 on utopic | 15:55 |
| kdeuser56 | I mean for neon ... | 15:56 |
| shadeslayer | yes, that's what I'm talking about | 15:56 |
| shadeslayer | you'd have to build Qt5 for neon on utopic | 15:56 |
| shadeslayer | also, since we've moved off stuff onto a Blue Systems server to do package uploads, we'd have to setup orchrestration to build for utopic | 15:56 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: can builder handle 2 releases? | 15:57 |
| Riddell | dudes: I'm away shortly and will only be around a little tomorrow then away until monday evening | 15:59 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: cheers | 15:59 |
| shadeslayer | have fun | 15:59 |
| Riddell | text me if I need to save the world | 15:59 |
| shadeslayer | ok | 16:00 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: From what I've read, we want the alternate baloo KCM in the archive and maybe for default. | 16:01 |
| * Riddell skeptical of this | 16:04 | |
| shadeslayer | why for default? I haven't heard any complaints apart from a vocal minority | 16:04 |
| === greyback|afk is now known as greyback | ||
| shadeslayer | and baloo works well enough on 2 of the computers that I use | 16:04 |
| Riddell | the upstream kcm has an off button now which should keep the vocal people happy | 16:04 |
| shadeslayer | it does? well then, there we go | 16:04 |
| shadeslayer | I'm still on 4.13.0 :P | 16:04 |
| kdeuser56 | shadeslayer: just my two cents: it seems very weired that you have to have the stable release to try the latest stuff and the dev version lags behind (not even having stable updates ppa) :-( | 16:04 |
| shadeslayer | because the majority of the users will be using stable, and we can't satisfy everyone | 16:05 |
| shadeslayer | so we have to make sacrifices | 16:05 |
| kdeuser56 | yeah I can accept that, but on what studies is that based? the majority of users wont even try project neon I guess | 16:06 |
| kdeuser56 | and running the build server against utopic wouldn't hurt the stable users, it would only consume more ressources | 16:07 |
| shadeslayer | actually, I think Project Neon is quite famous, especially since it was mentioned in the plasma next release announcement and people are using the ISO and what not | 16:07 |
| apachelogger | humhum | 16:07 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: why? | 16:07 |
| kdeuser56 | they are using the stable base because the iso has a stable base | 16:08 |
| apachelogger | I assume the bootstrap was also in reference to neon | 16:08 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: it was | 16:08 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: the why was for why does builder have to support 2 releases? | 16:08 |
| shadeslayer | because kdeuser56 wanted to use utopic + neon | 16:08 |
| apachelogger | doing two releases is an undesirable hassle | 16:08 |
| kdeuser56 | apachelogger: could you elobrate on the hassle? after all the servers are running the builds automatically once set up | 16:09 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: Your debian/copyright for milou needs fixing. Those LGPL 2+, GPL 2+ files are mostly GPL 2 or 3/LGPL 2.1 or 3 or what KDE e.V approves. That's not the same as 2/2.1+ | 16:10 |
| shadeslayer | aw :( | 16:11 |
| shadeslayer | ok | 16:11 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: Try grep -irc KDE\ e\.v *|grep -v 0 on the source package for a list of relevant files. | 16:11 |
| * shadeslayer used copyright helper | 16:11 | |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: Helper scripts don't relieve you of the responsibility of getting it right. | 16:12 |
| apachelogger | kdeuser56: until it breaks | 16:12 |
| apachelogger | also everything takes twice as long | 16:12 |
| * shadeslayer thought it was good enough, but ok | 16:12 | |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: will fix | 16:12 |
| shadeslayer | stupid legal shit, I hate it :/ | 16:12 |
| shadeslayer | causes so many headaches | 16:13 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: I won't reject for it since the list of licenses KDE e.V has approved matches the list that currently exists, but it needs to be fixed for the next upload. | 16:13 |
| kdeuser56 | apachelogger: then build stable first and after the completion build the other release? the idle time would of course be shorter | 16:13 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: ok | 16:13 |
| apachelogger | kdeuser56: if you write the code for that, sure | 16:13 |
| shadeslayer | will fix in the next upload | 16:13 |
| kdeuser56 | apachelogger: where are the sources of the script? | 16:13 |
| apachelogger | https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon5/orchestration | 16:13 |
| apachelogger | builder/builder is probably what you need to adjust | 16:14 |
| apachelogger | to a) dch force utopic into low urgency mode b) upload only once trusty has built | 16:15 |
| apachelogger | ppa/sync.py should have logic WRT finding out when stuff built | 16:16 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: Accepted. | 16:17 |
| shadeslayer | \o/ | 16:18 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: suitable to request for backports | 16:18 |
| ScottK | After the binary New. | 16:18 |
| shadeslayer | roger | 16:18 |
| shadeslayer | ok, I need something other than merges for today | 16:21 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: Go help lisandro with Qt5. | 16:24 |
| ScottK | (5.3.0) | 16:24 |
| shadeslayer | sure | 16:26 |
| shadeslayer | O_O | 16:28 |
| shadeslayer | kwin has 64 crashers in just one day | 16:28 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: can you also move kde-workspace to updates | 16:28 |
| shadeslayer | been in proposed for 2 weeks I think | 16:28 |
| shadeslayer | hm | 16:29 |
| shadeslayer | wait | 16:29 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: nvm | 16:29 |
| ScottK | Didn't think so. | 16:29 |
| shadeslayer | right :) | 16:29 |
| shadeslayer | could always go and read the make manual :P | 16:34 |
| lordievader | Good evening. | 16:56 |
| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1322290] KDE Launcher, Advanced Mode: Removing item from "Favorites" makes "Favorites" submenu to d... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1322290 (by GeorgeCA) | 18:27 |
| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1322292] KDE Launcher, Advanced Mode: Removing item from "Favorites​" makes "Favorites​" submen... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1322292 (by GeorgeCA) | 18:27 |
| kubotu | ::qt-bugs:: [1289600] Fix for crashes due to ubuntu-specific accessibility patch @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1289600 (by Alexey Borzenkov) | 19:36 |
| santa_ | Riddell: hey, some time ago you pointed me to this kf5 packaging https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages thank you, where are the bzr repositories of the source packages? | 21:50 |
| Riddell | santa_: in lp:~kubuntu-packaging/kubuntu-packagers/package | 22:02 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I'm an admin now but I don't see any settings tab on projects https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/workspace/kmenuedit | 22:06 |
| valorie | Riddell: still need the kubuntu-devel list password if you want me to help kill the spam | 22:46 |
| Riddell | valorie: voila | 22:51 |
| valorie | danke schon | 22:51 |
| valorie | will add it to my listadmin.ini pronto | 22:52 |
| valorie | Riddell: one question in pm | 23:00 |
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