=== kitterma is now known as ScottK === lordieva1er is now known as lordievader [06:15] good morning === serverhamster is now known as alvin === vinay is now known as Guest7190 [09:35] hola amigos [10:11] o/ [10:13] 'Morning all [10:15] o/ [10:21] \o [10:21] :) === thelionroars is now known as thelionsleeps === thelionsleeps is now known as thelionroars [11:45] hmm plasma git now needs qt 5.3, wibble [12:00] Riddell: That's why I wrote ubuntu-devel saying we'd need it. [12:01] I know, it's just sooner than is comfortable [12:01] Mirv: mitya57: any packages in sight for 5.3? [12:03] Riddell: They've started uploading to Debian experimental. [12:03] ooh interesting [12:05] and some rc packages in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-daily [12:08] I think we ought to just merge from Debian and upload. In the meantime, lisandro in Debian could probably use some help. [12:08] shadeslayer: still needing merge reviews? [12:21] Riddell: ugly ones in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta2 - not for faint-hearted packaging wise. I'm (slowly) working on more packaging in parallel, but this is just to get as much information of the 5.3 issues as possible early on [12:21] s/more/better/ [12:21] Mirv meant: "Riddell: ugly ones in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta2 - not for faint-hearted packaging wise. I'm (slowly) working on better packaging in parallel, but this is just to get as much information of the 5.3 issues as possible early on" [12:22] Mirv: how do you mean in parallel? [12:26] Riddell: like in different PPA and on the code branches (of which not everything is currently up-to-date). the beta2 branches don't have symbol updates, abi bumps etc. so I'm currently using one another PPA https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-005/+packages for slightly more quality packages [12:26] qtbase has tests disabled though which could need a lot of work, and qt3d is failing tests on i386 [12:28] Mirv: lovely, thanks, good luck! [12:36] thanks, it's needed :) [12:43] Riddell: yeah [12:44] Riddell: kdepim-runtime [13:04] shadeslayer: http://www.daftpunk.com/daft-punk-logo-belt-buckle.html [13:05] good god [13:05] oh oh oh [13:05] http://www.daftpunk.com/lose-yourself-to-dance-cinema-poster.html [13:05] dat 80's style merch is the best I say [13:06] yep [13:06] goes well with Quintasan's current facebook picture [13:06] * ScottK wonders if apachelogger was aware of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unicorn [13:07] shadeslayer: oh my don't remind me of that [13:07] ScottK: someone may have mentioned it at some point [13:28] shadeslayer: kdepim-runtime looks good, unnecessary space here http://paste.kde.org/pgycn5hr2 [13:30] Riddell: is that space not present in debian? [13:31] shadeslayer: not from running a diff between debian git and our bzr [13:32] it's hardly very important :) [13:32] Quintasan: ping? [13:42] I think we should reconsider using a PPA for plasma5/next/whatever. [13:43] ScottK: oh? [13:43] ScottK: why? [13:43] If we use alternatives to the archive to make it easier for us to update stuff that's going to be proof to upstream that this KF5 non-maintenance plan works. [13:43] Masking problems now is going to bite us later. [13:44] if we use the archive then we provide a sub par first experience with all the bug fixes and what not [13:44] Yep. [13:44] When people whine we point them upstream. [13:45] upstream will probably just say ask your distro to update [13:46] Then we get to have the argument over about support and does upstream care at all about distros and users. [13:46] Sooner the better. [13:48] at the cost of having users running potentially buggy code [13:48] Now or later. No different. [13:48] Later it's just harder to fix. [13:49] BTW, all software is buggy, so it's not much of an argument. [14:18] shadeslayer: did your milou package get uploaded? [14:18] I thought you uploaded it [14:19] but then I recall ScottK saying he didn't see one [14:19] so I guess not [14:19] shadeslayer: where can I find it again? [14:20] Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/milou/milou_0.1-0ubuntu1.dsc [14:23] weird text message du jour "hello I am a boy in sri lanka. I want informations of ubuntu" phoned twice as well but hung up [14:24] geeks are cute sometimes [14:24] sounds scary to me :O [14:25] huh [14:25] people still text [14:26] shadeslayer: milou uploaded! [14:27] cool [14:31] phoned again, "hello, I no speak english" [14:31] hard to know what to say to that [14:31] anyone know the Sinhala for "join the mailing list"? [14:32] Riddell: could try tamil [14:33] that made me think of tamriel [14:45] apachelogger: I can't work out how to use tarme.rb, how do you set options like what branch to use? [14:47] Riddell: you don't you use origins [14:47] for now anyway [14:49] apachelogger: what does that mean? [14:50] hello [14:50] Riddell: libkdegames needs review [14:50] I would like to ask you if you have any packaging of milou [14:50] couldn't find anything [14:51] if not, may I package it? [14:51] santa_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/milou/milou_0.1-0ubuntu1.dsc [14:51] waiting for ScottK to approve now :) [14:51] Riddell: thanks, what about the alternate baloo kcm? [14:52] no packages for that yet [14:52] * shadeslayer couldn't be bothered about that [14:52] I did one for siduction [14:52] could be adapted to ubuntu easily [14:52] (I guess) [14:55] Riddell: --origin trunk|stable [14:55] Riddell: pong [14:57] Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/A20kVz1.png [14:57] Riddell: whatever is configured on projects.kde is what drives releaseme's origin [14:57] note the xml output box and the i18n trunk/stable branch settings [15:02] shadeslayer: wrt milou cmake complains about missing optiona x11 and nepomuk core libraries when built here [15:03] maybe you want to add nepomuk-core-dev and libx11-dev to build depends? [15:06] no one uses nepomuk anymore [15:07] apachelogger: ah, but if I'm not an admin of a project, I can't set them [15:08] Riddell: should get that fixed then otherwise you can't manage releases very well ;) [15:09] namely if the administrators set a shitty branch the l10n will be broken [15:17] santa_: IIRC the X11 stuff is not really required [15:17] and nepomuk not being used, ok [15:18] I don't see any output wrt nepomuk [15:18] since milou is exclusively baloo === greyback is now known as greyback|afk [15:50] yofel: will utopic be supported by neon soon? [15:50] shadeslayer: ^ [15:51] oh damn sorry [15:51] not really [15:51] whats the rationale behind it? [15:51] kdeuser56: usually we start after the first alpha/beta [15:51] since there are not enough people running dev to justify bootstrapping it for dev [15:52] the 14.04 stack is reasonably up to date, so no issues there too [15:52] shadeslayer: yeah but the kernel is not the latest and I need 3.15 :-( and mainline ppa is no option [15:53] kdeuser56: and why do you need 3.15? [15:53] some btrfs testing I do and other stuff [15:53] then please wait for first alpha/beta [15:54] apachelogger: ^^ do you want to bootstrap utopic? [15:54] shadeslayer: same for kubuntu updates ppa? [15:54] kdeuser56: for kde 4.13.1? that's blocked on pending merges [15:54] we started them shortly before 4.13.1 was released [15:54] https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-merges [15:55] shadeslayer: is bootstrapping that stuff much work? what does it involve? [15:55] for starters you'd have to build Qt5 on utopic [15:56] I mean for neon ... [15:56] yes, that's what I'm talking about [15:56] you'd have to build Qt5 for neon on utopic [15:56] also, since we've moved off stuff onto a Blue Systems server to do package uploads, we'd have to setup orchrestration to build for utopic [15:57] apachelogger: can builder handle 2 releases? [15:59] dudes: I'm away shortly and will only be around a little tomorrow then away until monday evening [15:59] Riddell: cheers [15:59] have fun [15:59] text me if I need to save the world [16:00] ok [16:01] shadeslayer: From what I've read, we want the alternate baloo KCM in the archive and maybe for default. [16:04] * Riddell skeptical of this [16:04] why for default? I haven't heard any complaints apart from a vocal minority === greyback|afk is now known as greyback [16:04] and baloo works well enough on 2 of the computers that I use [16:04] the upstream kcm has an off button now which should keep the vocal people happy [16:04] it does? well then, there we go [16:04] I'm still on 4.13.0 :P [16:04] shadeslayer: just my two cents: it seems very weired that you have to have the stable release to try the latest stuff and the dev version lags behind (not even having stable updates ppa) :-( [16:05] because the majority of the users will be using stable, and we can't satisfy everyone [16:05] so we have to make sacrifices [16:06] yeah I can accept that, but on what studies is that based? the majority of users wont even try project neon I guess [16:07] and running the build server against utopic wouldn't hurt the stable users, it would only consume more ressources [16:07] actually, I think Project Neon is quite famous, especially since it was mentioned in the plasma next release announcement and people are using the ISO and what not [16:07] humhum [16:07] shadeslayer: why? [16:08] they are using the stable base because the iso has a stable base [16:08] I assume the bootstrap was also in reference to neon [16:08] apachelogger: it was [16:08] apachelogger: the why was for why does builder have to support 2 releases? [16:08] because kdeuser56 wanted to use utopic + neon [16:08] doing two releases is an undesirable hassle [16:09] apachelogger: could you elobrate on the hassle? after all the servers are running the builds automatically once set up [16:10] shadeslayer: Your debian/copyright for milou needs fixing. Those LGPL 2+, GPL 2+ files are mostly GPL 2 or 3/LGPL 2.1 or 3 or what KDE e.V approves. That's not the same as 2/2.1+ [16:11] aw :( [16:11] ok [16:11] shadeslayer: Try grep -irc KDE\ e\.v *|grep -v 0 on the source package for a list of relevant files. [16:11] * shadeslayer used copyright helper [16:12] shadeslayer: Helper scripts don't relieve you of the responsibility of getting it right. [16:12] kdeuser56: until it breaks [16:12] also everything takes twice as long [16:12] * shadeslayer thought it was good enough, but ok [16:12] ScottK: will fix [16:12] stupid legal shit, I hate it :/ [16:13] causes so many headaches [16:13] shadeslayer: I won't reject for it since the list of licenses KDE e.V has approved matches the list that currently exists, but it needs to be fixed for the next upload. [16:13] apachelogger: then build stable first and after the completion build the other release? the idle time would of course be shorter [16:13] ScottK: ok [16:13] kdeuser56: if you write the code for that, sure [16:13] will fix in the next upload [16:13] apachelogger: where are the sources of the script? [16:13] https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon5/orchestration [16:14] builder/builder is probably what you need to adjust [16:15] to a) dch force utopic into low urgency mode b) upload only once trusty has built [16:16] ppa/sync.py should have logic WRT finding out when stuff built [16:17] shadeslayer: Accepted. [16:18] \o/ [16:18] ScottK: suitable to request for backports [16:18] After the binary New. [16:18] roger [16:21] ok, I need something other than merges for today [16:24] shadeslayer: Go help lisandro with Qt5. [16:24] (5.3.0) [16:26] sure [16:28] O_O [16:28] kwin has 64 crashers in just one day [16:28] ScottK: can you also move kde-workspace to updates [16:28] been in proposed for 2 weeks I think [16:29] hm [16:29] wait [16:29] ScottK: nvm [16:29] Didn't think so. [16:29] right :) [16:34] could always go and read the make manual :P [16:56] Good evening. [18:27] ::workspace-bugs:: [1322290] KDE Launcher, Advanced Mode: Removing item from "Favorites" makes "Favorites" submenu to d... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1322290 (by GeorgeCA) [18:27] ::workspace-bugs:: [1322292] KDE Launcher, Advanced Mode: Removing item from "Favorites" makes "Favorites" submen... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1322292 (by GeorgeCA) [19:36] ::qt-bugs:: [1289600] Fix for crashes due to ubuntu-specific accessibility patch @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1289600 (by Alexey Borzenkov) [21:50] Riddell: hey, some time ago you pointed me to this kf5 packaging https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages thank you, where are the bzr repositories of the source packages? [22:02] santa_: in lp:~kubuntu-packaging/kubuntu-packagers/package [22:06] apachelogger: I'm an admin now but I don't see any settings tab on projects https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/workspace/kmenuedit [22:46] Riddell: still need the kubuntu-devel list password if you want me to help kill the spam [22:51] valorie: voila [22:51] danke schon [22:52] will add it to my listadmin.ini pronto [23:00] Riddell: one question in pm