[06:15] <soee> good morning
[09:35] <Riddell> hola amigos
[10:11] <lordievader> o/
[10:13] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:15] <lordievader> o/
[10:21] <BluesKaj>  \o
[10:21] <BluesKaj> :)
[11:45] <Riddell> hmm plasma git now needs qt 5.3, wibble
[12:00] <ScottK> Riddell: That's why I wrote ubuntu-devel saying we'd need it.
[12:01] <Riddell> I know, it's just sooner than is comfortable
[12:01] <Riddell> Mirv: mitya57: any packages in sight for 5.3?
[12:03] <ScottK> Riddell: They've started uploading to Debian experimental.
[12:03] <Riddell> ooh interesting
[12:05] <Riddell> and some rc packages in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-daily
[12:08] <ScottK> I think we ought to just merge from Debian and upload.  In the meantime, lisandro in Debian could probably use some help.
[12:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: still needing merge reviews?
[12:21] <Mirv> Riddell: ugly ones in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta2 - not for faint-hearted packaging wise. I'm (slowly) working on more packaging in parallel, but this is just to get as much information of the 5.3 issues as possible early on
[12:21] <Mirv> s/more/better/
[12:21] <kubotu> Mirv meant: "Riddell: ugly ones in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta2 - not for faint-hearted packaging wise. I'm (slowly) working on better packaging in parallel, but this is just to get as much information of the 5.3 issues as possible early on"
[12:22] <Riddell> Mirv: how do you mean in parallel?
[12:26] <Mirv> Riddell: like in different PPA and on the code branches (of which not everything is currently up-to-date). the beta2 branches don't have symbol updates, abi bumps etc. so I'm currently using one another PPA https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-005/+packages for slightly more quality packages
[12:26] <Mirv> qtbase has tests disabled though which could need a lot of work, and qt3d is failing tests on i386
[12:28] <Riddell> Mirv: lovely, thanks, good luck!
[12:36] <Mirv> thanks, it's needed :)
[12:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah
[12:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kdepim-runtime
[13:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://www.daftpunk.com/daft-punk-logo-belt-buckle.html
[13:05] <shadeslayer> good god
[13:05] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[13:05] <apachelogger> http://www.daftpunk.com/lose-yourself-to-dance-cinema-poster.html
[13:05] <apachelogger> dat 80's style merch is the best I say
[13:06] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:06] <shadeslayer> goes well with Quintasan's current facebook picture
[13:06]  * ScottK wonders if apachelogger was aware of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unicorn
[13:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh my don't remind me of that
[13:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: someone may have mentioned it at some point
[13:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kdepim-runtime looks good, unnecessary space here http://paste.kde.org/pgycn5hr2
[13:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: is that space not present in debian?
[13:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: not from running a diff between debian git and our bzr
[13:32] <Riddell> it's hardly very important :)
[13:32] <Riddell> Quintasan: ping?
[13:42] <ScottK> I think we should reconsider using a PPA for plasma5/next/whatever.
[13:43] <shadeslayer> ScottK: oh?
[13:43] <shadeslayer> ScottK: why?
[13:43] <ScottK> If we use alternatives to the archive to make it easier for us to update stuff that's going to be proof to upstream that this KF5 non-maintenance plan works.
[13:43] <ScottK> Masking problems now is going to bite us later.
[13:44] <shadeslayer> if we use the archive then we provide a sub par first experience with all the bug fixes and what not
[13:44] <ScottK> Yep.
[13:44] <ScottK> When people whine we point them upstream.
[13:45] <shadeslayer> upstream will probably just say ask your distro to update
[13:46] <ScottK> Then we get to have the argument over about support and does upstream care at all about distros and users.
[13:46] <ScottK> Sooner the better.
[13:48] <shadeslayer> at the cost of having users running potentially buggy code
[13:48] <ScottK> Now or later.  No different.
[13:48] <ScottK> Later it's just harder to fix.
[13:49] <ScottK> BTW, all software is buggy, so it's not much of an argument.
[14:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did your milou package get uploaded?
[14:18] <shadeslayer> I thought you uploaded it
[14:19] <shadeslayer> but then I recall ScottK saying he didn't see one
[14:19] <shadeslayer> so I guess not
[14:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where can I find it again?
[14:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/milou/milou_0.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[14:23] <Riddell> weird text message du jour "hello I am a boy in sri lanka.  I want informations of ubuntu"  phoned twice as well but hung up
[14:24] <Riddell> geeks are cute sometimes
[14:24] <apachelogger> sounds scary to me :O
[14:25] <shadeslayer> huh
[14:25] <shadeslayer> people still text
[14:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: milou uploaded!
[14:27] <shadeslayer> cool
[14:31] <Riddell> phoned again, "hello, I no speak english"
[14:31] <Riddell> hard to know what to say to that
[14:31] <Riddell> anyone know the Sinhala for "join the mailing list"?
[14:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: could try tamil 
[14:33] <apachelogger> that made me think of tamriel
[14:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: I can't work out how to use tarme.rb, how do you set options like what branch to use?
[14:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: you don't you use origins
[14:47] <apachelogger> for now anyway
[14:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: what does that mean?
[14:50] <santa_> hello
[14:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: libkdegames needs review
[14:50] <santa_> I would like to ask you if you have any packaging of milou
[14:50] <santa_> couldn't find anything
[14:51] <santa_> if not, may I package it?
[14:51] <Riddell> santa_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/milou/milou_0.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[14:51] <shadeslayer> waiting for ScottK to approve now :)
[14:51] <santa_> Riddell: thanks, what about the alternate baloo kcm?
[14:52] <shadeslayer> no packages for that yet
[14:52]  * shadeslayer couldn't be bothered about that
[14:52] <santa_> I did one for siduction
[14:52] <santa_> could be adapted to ubuntu easily
[14:52] <santa_> (I guess)
[14:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: --origin trunk|stable
[14:55] <Quintasan> Riddell: pong
[14:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/A20kVz1.png
[14:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: whatever is configured on projects.kde is what drives releaseme's origin
[14:57] <apachelogger> note the xml output box and the i18n trunk/stable branch settings
[15:02] <santa_> shadeslayer: wrt milou cmake complains about missing optiona x11 and nepomuk core libraries when built here
[15:03] <santa_> maybe you want to add nepomuk-core-dev and libx11-dev to build depends?
[15:06] <apachelogger> no one uses nepomuk anymore
[15:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: ah, but if I'm not an admin of a project, I can't set them
[15:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: should get that fixed then otherwise you can't manage releases very well ;)
[15:09] <apachelogger> namely if the administrators set a shitty branch the l10n will be broken
[15:17] <shadeslayer> santa_: IIRC the X11 stuff is not really required
[15:17] <santa_> and nepomuk not being used, ok
[15:18] <shadeslayer> I don't see any output wrt nepomuk
[15:18] <shadeslayer> since milou is exclusively baloo
[15:50] <kdeuser56> yofel: will utopic be supported by neon soon?
[15:50] <yofel> shadeslayer: ^
[15:51] <kdeuser56> oh damn sorry
[15:51] <shadeslayer> not really
[15:51] <kdeuser56> whats the rationale behind it?
[15:51] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: usually we start after the first alpha/beta
[15:51] <shadeslayer> since there are not enough people running dev to justify bootstrapping it for dev
[15:52] <shadeslayer> the 14.04 stack is reasonably up to date, so no issues there too
[15:52] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: yeah but the kernel is not the latest and I need 3.15 :-( and mainline ppa is no option
[15:53] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: and why do you need 3.15?
[15:53] <kdeuser56> some btrfs testing I do and other stuff
[15:53] <shadeslayer> then please wait for first alpha/beta
[15:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^ do you want to bootstrap utopic?
[15:54] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: same for kubuntu updates ppa?
[15:54] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: for kde 4.13.1? that's blocked on pending merges
[15:54] <shadeslayer> we started them shortly before 4.13.1 was released
[15:54] <shadeslayer> https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-merges
[15:55] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: is bootstrapping that stuff much work? what does it involve?
[15:55] <shadeslayer> for starters you'd have to build Qt5 on utopic
[15:56] <kdeuser56> I mean for neon ...
[15:56] <shadeslayer> yes, that's what I'm talking about
[15:56] <shadeslayer> you'd have to build Qt5 for neon on utopic
[15:56] <shadeslayer> also, since we've moved off stuff onto a Blue Systems server to do package uploads, we'd have to setup orchrestration to build for utopic
[15:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can builder handle 2 releases?
[15:59] <Riddell> dudes: I'm away shortly and will only be around a little tomorrow then away until monday evening
[15:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: cheers
[15:59] <shadeslayer> have fun
[15:59] <Riddell> text me if I need to save the world
[16:00] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:01] <ScottK> shadeslayer: From what I've read, we want the alternate baloo KCM in the archive and maybe for default.
[16:04]  * Riddell skeptical of this
[16:04] <shadeslayer> why for default? I haven't heard any complaints apart from a vocal minority
[16:04] <shadeslayer> and baloo works well enough on 2 of the computers that I use
[16:04] <Riddell> the upstream kcm has an off button now which should keep the vocal people happy
[16:04] <shadeslayer> it does? well then, there we go
[16:04] <shadeslayer> I'm still on 4.13.0 :P
[16:04] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: just my two cents: it seems very weired that you have to have the stable release to try the latest stuff and the dev version lags behind (not even having stable updates ppa) :-(
[16:05] <shadeslayer> because the majority of the users will be using stable, and we can't satisfy everyone
[16:05] <shadeslayer> so we have to make sacrifices
[16:06] <kdeuser56> yeah I can accept that, but on what studies is that based? the majority of users wont even try project neon I guess
[16:07] <kdeuser56> and running the build server against utopic wouldn't hurt the stable users, it would only consume more ressources
[16:07] <shadeslayer> actually, I think Project Neon is quite famous, especially since it was mentioned in the plasma next release announcement and people are using the ISO and what not
[16:07] <apachelogger> humhum
[16:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why?
[16:08] <kdeuser56> they are using the stable base because the iso has a stable base 
[16:08] <apachelogger> I assume the bootstrap was also in reference to neon
[16:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it was
[16:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the why was for why does builder have to support 2 releases?
[16:08] <shadeslayer> because kdeuser56 wanted to use utopic + neon
[16:08] <apachelogger> doing two releases is an undesirable hassle
[16:09] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: could you elobrate on the hassle? after all the servers are running the builds automatically once set up
[16:10] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Your debian/copyright for milou needs fixing.  Those LGPL 2+, GPL 2+ files are mostly GPL 2 or 3/LGPL 2.1 or 3 or what KDE e.V approves.  That's not the same as 2/2.1+
[16:11] <shadeslayer> aw :(
[16:11] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:11] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Try grep -irc KDE\ e\.v *|grep -v 0 on the source package for a list of relevant files.
[16:11]  * shadeslayer used copyright helper
[16:12] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Helper scripts don't relieve you of the responsibility of getting it right.
[16:12] <apachelogger> kdeuser56: until it breaks
[16:12] <apachelogger> also everything takes twice as long
[16:12]  * shadeslayer thought it was good enough, but ok
[16:12] <shadeslayer> ScottK: will fix
[16:12] <shadeslayer> stupid legal shit, I hate it :/
[16:13] <shadeslayer> causes so many headaches
[16:13] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I won't reject for it since the list of licenses KDE e.V has approved matches the list that currently exists, but it needs to be fixed for the next upload.
[16:13] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: then build stable first and after the completion build the other release? the idle time would of course be shorter
[16:13] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ok
[16:13] <apachelogger> kdeuser56: if you write the code for that, sure
[16:13] <shadeslayer> will fix in the next upload
[16:13] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: where are the sources of the script?
[16:13] <apachelogger> https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon5/orchestration
[16:14] <apachelogger> builder/builder is probably what you need to adjust
[16:15] <apachelogger> to a) dch force utopic into low urgency mode b) upload only once trusty has built
[16:16] <apachelogger> ppa/sync.py should have logic WRT finding out when stuff built
[16:17] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Accepted.
[16:18] <shadeslayer> \o/
[16:18] <shadeslayer> ScottK: suitable to request for backports
[16:18] <ScottK> After the binary New.
[16:18] <shadeslayer> roger
[16:21] <shadeslayer> ok, I need something other than merges for today
[16:24] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Go help lisandro with Qt5.
[16:24] <ScottK> (5.3.0)
[16:26] <shadeslayer> sure
[16:28] <shadeslayer> O_O
[16:28] <shadeslayer> kwin has 64 crashers in just one day
[16:28] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can you also move kde-workspace to updates
[16:28] <shadeslayer> been in proposed for 2 weeks I think
[16:29] <shadeslayer> hm
[16:29] <shadeslayer> wait
[16:29] <shadeslayer> ScottK: nvm
[16:29] <ScottK> Didn't think so.
[16:29] <shadeslayer> right :)
[16:34] <shadeslayer> could always go and read the make manual :P
[16:56] <lordievader> Good evening.
[18:27] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1322290] KDE Launcher, Advanced Mode: Removing item from "Favorites" makes "Favorites" submenu to d... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1322290 (by GeorgeCA)
[18:27] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1322292] KDE Launcher, Advanced Mode: Removing item from "Favorites​" makes "Favorites​" submen... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1322292 (by GeorgeCA)
[19:36] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1289600] Fix for crashes due to ubuntu-specific accessibility patch @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1289600 (by Alexey Borzenkov)
[21:50] <santa_> Riddell: hey, some time ago you pointed me to this kf5 packaging  https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages thank you, where are the bzr repositories of the source packages?
[22:02] <Riddell> santa_: in lp:~kubuntu-packaging/kubuntu-packagers/package
[22:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm an admin now but I don't see any settings tab on projects https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/workspace/kmenuedit
[22:46] <valorie> Riddell: still need the kubuntu-devel list password if you want me to help kill the spam
[22:51] <Riddell> valorie: voila
[22:51] <valorie> danke schon
[22:52] <valorie> will add it to my listadmin.ini pronto
[23:00] <valorie> Riddell: one question in pm