[01:11] <rick_h_> I think my life has taken a downward turn https://github.com/bookieio/Bookie/issues/459
[01:11] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/khM88b - fails to display on my ebook reader (Sony PRS-T2) · Issue #459 · bookieio/Bookie · GitHub
[01:25] <cmaloney> rick_h_: How's that?
[01:25] <cmaloney> Seriously, if someone is trying to use Bookie on an eReader that's a big win. :)
[01:27] <rick_h_> hah, trying to figure out why that fails?
[01:27] <rick_h_> there's some debugging for me wheee
[01:28] <rick_h_> cmaloney: how goes the father?
[01:34] <brousch> wontfix
[01:39] <rick_h_> hah
[01:50] <cmaloney> rick_h_: He's OK. Keeping him overnight
[01:50] <cmaloney> blah blah blah
[01:50] <cmaloney> ssdd
[03:18] <rick_h_> cmaloney: :(
[03:33] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Yeah, fun times.
[03:34] <cmaloney> And with the upcoming move stuff it's been a bit depressing over here.
[03:34] <cmaloney> Got a lot of shit to take care of in the next few weeks
[03:34] <rick_h_> cmaloney: well you know the rule. Let us know if there's anything you guys need a hand with.
[03:35] <cmaloney> Thanks. :)
[03:35] <cmaloney> same here on your end. :)
[03:36] <cmaloney> Anywho, off to the land of dreams and makebelieve.
[03:36] <cmaloney> laterness
[12:40] <jrwren> good morning!
[12:40] <rick_h_> party
[12:50] <mrgoodcat> dance
[13:18] <cmaloney> party party
[13:19] <rick_h_> who says I'm not dancing?
[13:20] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: missed you at CHC last night, lots of chromebook conversations we missed you at
[13:20] <havenstance>   n/M / m
[13:20] <rick_h_> ummm, no?
[13:24] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: what sort of conversation? the condescending kind i'd rather miss or real constructive conversation?
[13:25] <mrgoodcat> i've taken a lot of shit over the past 5 days or so for using a chromebook for whatever reason
[13:25] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: oh quite constructive
[13:25] <rick_h_> one guy bought one for his wife and is liking it
[13:25] <mrgoodcat> ah
[13:25] <rick_h_> and was asking about people editing choices, ssh or web ides
[13:25] <mrgoodcat> what one?
[13:25] <rick_h_> running ubuntu/dual booting, etc
[13:25] <rick_h_> not sure
[13:25] <mrgoodcat> wish i was there
[13:25] <mrgoodcat> i have family in from texas and florida this week
[13:26] <rick_h_> ah, gotcha
[13:26] <mrgoodcat> if the screen was better i'd have no complaints about the chromebook
[13:26] <brousch> pixel!
[13:27] <mrgoodcat> I used to hate on the keyboard but i've gotten used to it
[13:27] <mrgoodcat> brousch: i want a pixel. want to donate to my pixel fund?
[13:27] <brousch> Chromebooks are perfect for a large segment of the population. You cannot argue against that
[13:27] <brousch> mrgoodcat: I was hoping you had one laying around I could have
[13:27] <mrgoodcat> i just spent 500$ on my mountainbike though so i'm a bit short on disposable cash
[13:31] <jrwren> do you use a chromebook and run chromeos?
[13:35] <mrgoodcat> yes and yes/no
[13:35] <mrgoodcat> i dual boot ubuntu
[13:35] <mrgoodcat> which i use for work and anything requiring a "real" OS
[13:35] <mrgoodcat> but i use chromeos a lot at home for pleasure and such
[13:36] <mrgoodcat> i used to use the web IDEs available for chrome but eventually i wanted my CLI back
[13:36] <mrgoodcat> i tried to ssh to a dev server for a while but SSH is cumbersome sometimes. local dev is the preferred option
[13:36] <mrgoodcat> so then i tried crouton, which worked great for a while
[13:37] <mrgoodcat> but then i needed to use lxc
[13:37] <mrgoodcat> and crouton isn't advanced enough to support the more advanced kernel options
[13:37] <mrgoodcat> so i had to go to chrubuntu
[13:37] <rick_h_> can you map the search (caps lock) to control, that's the important question
[13:37] <mrgoodcat> when i upgraded to 14.04 the chrubuntu script broke, so i went with a flat install which works great
[13:37] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: yes you can
[13:38] <rick_h_> if you can do that maybe my next machine should be a pixel or pixel2
[13:38] <mrgoodcat> my "search" is control and control is <super>
[13:38] <brousch> rick_h_: pixel only has 4GB of RAM
[13:38] <rick_h_> oh, no meta key? my window manager cringes in fear
[13:38] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: what meta key do you speak of? <alt>?
[13:38] <rick_h_> brousch: meh, I don't recall the last time my laptop went over 4
[13:38] <mrgoodcat> i have an <alt> key
[13:39] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: windows key, meta-4 I think, it's the basis for all my window manager controls
[13:39] <rick_h_> tiling layouts, splits, etc
[13:39] <mrgoodcat> the "search" key is the meta key
[13:39] <mrgoodcat> by default
[13:42]  * rick_h_ looks at the picture
[13:42] <rick_h_> I see, giant ctrl and alt keys
[13:44] <mrgoodcat> yup
[13:44] <mrgoodcat> huge
[13:45] <rick_h_> I'm trying to make myself use the air and trying to force myself to like it so I can justify getting the 13" version and moving on
[13:45] <jrwren> i don't think I could do chromeos, but maybe I'll try someday.  I'll claim its mrgoodcat fault
[13:46] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: i'll sell you my c720p if i get a pixel
[13:46] <jrwren> cheap?
[13:46] <mrgoodcat> it was 200$ new so yea super cheap
[13:46] <mrgoodcat> lol
[13:46] <jrwren> cool
[13:46] <mrgoodcat> IF i get a pixel
[13:46] <jrwren> IFF
[13:46] <mrgoodcat> i just don't have the cash right now
[13:46] <jrwren> remember maths.  IFF means if and only if
[13:47] <mrgoodcat> no just IF. because i might get some other new version or an air or something
[13:47] <mrgoodcat> in which case i'd still not need this
[14:02] <jrwren> YAY
[14:02] <jrwren> just if!
[14:16] <cmaloney> The keyboard layout on the Chrome is what keeps me away.
[14:17] <cmaloney> I used Mac keyboards enough with Ubuntu to know that I like having my keyboard mapping match what the computer is expecting. :)
[14:18] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: the keyboard really doesn't bother me on mine
[14:19] <mrgoodcat> just miss f keys
[14:19] <mrgoodcat> i only have 1-10
[14:19] <jrwren> wtf?!?
[14:20] <mrgoodcat> there are only 10 f keys on the c720
[14:20] <cmaloney> Yeah, that's a dealbreaker. :)
[14:20] <cmaloney> I use my Fn keys.
[14:21] <mrgoodcat> really? not for me
[14:21] <jrwren> oh, i almost never use F keys
[14:21] <mrgoodcat> i'm only missing 11 and 12
[14:21] <jrwren> 'cept volume controls on a mac
[14:21] <jrwren> e.g. this conversation had me notice the play/pause button on my KB
[14:21] <jrwren> now I'll use that too.
[14:21] <mrgoodcat> you can map the chrome f keys to do what the pictures say
[14:21] <jrwren> I had been changing windows and pressing pause until now
[14:22] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: get a gaming mouse with 12 buttons. map them to f keys
[14:25] <mathomastech> cmaloney: A suggestions for you. I've remapped my caps lock key (seach on most chromebooks) to cmd+alt+ctl+shift. Then map caps+1 = F1, caps+2 = F2, etc etc. That caps combo is unique so it never runs into issues with application specific shortcuts.
[14:30] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: How about no. :)
[14:30] <mrgoodcat> :)
[14:31] <cmaloney> mathomastech: How does one get to the ttys under that convoluted scheme? :)
[14:31]  * cmaloney uses those at least once a week.
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: i can get to my ttys
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> i still have 10 fkeys
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> and ctrl and alt
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> not sure why mathomastech did that weird remap. since the media keys are just f keys
[14:33] <mathomastech> cmaloney. No idea. I don't actually use that combo for F keys (I actually have functions keys). I use the combo for other custom shortcuts
[14:33] <cmaloney> Yeah, I use F11 for making things fullscreen.
[14:33] <cmaloney> Though I could just use the menu for that.
[14:33]  * cmaloney also uses Blender from time to time. :)
[14:34]  * cmaloney is also about finished with that "Debt, the first 5,000 years book.
[14:34] <mathomastech> mrgoodcat: Because at heart, I love being weird :)  I hate the caps lock key, so I decided to make it useful by having my own custom shortcut modifier.
[14:35] <mrgoodcat> fair i guess
[14:35] <cmaloney> That book is the closest I have seen to taking the red pill regarding the financial crisis we're currently facing.
[14:35] <mathomastech> Just like i've remapped F1 to be something useful (dropdown terminal) rather than the always invasive help menu.
[14:35] <mrgoodcat> guake++
[14:35] <cmaloney> blergh
[14:36] <cmaloney> have never liked guake
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> i don't use it anymore
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> tiling window manager takes care of all my terminal needs now
[16:09] <jrwren> ok... i want to use this method to add members to built in types http://blog.hakril.net/articles/1-understanding-python-by-breaking-it---lvl-2.html?utm_source=Python+Weekly+Newsletter&utm_campaign=4abbdd6e2e-Python_Weekly_Issue_140_May_22_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_9e26887fc5-4abbdd6e2e-306809429
[16:09] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/v831rz - Understanding Python by breaking it - Lvl 2 - Hakril's blog
[16:19] <greg-g> people still listen to Slipknot?
[16:30] <greg-g> also, retired rich Sonoma county couples in full road biking getup (spandex etc) are hilarious
[16:30] <rick_h_> lol
[16:31] <rick_h_> greg-g: saw petaluma on the map and jealous of where you're at. Right around all my fav wine stuff
[16:31] <rick_h_> been spending a ton of time going through google maps checking locations and activities and such
[16:32] <greg-g> :)
[16:32] <cmaloney> greg-g: What's wrong with Slipknot?
[16:33] <greg-g> too bad we only have one bottle of wine in the house, an old white that I'll never drink (I only really drink red)
[16:33] <cmaloney> Other than I don't have any of their albums nor do I have any plans to pick them up in the near future
[16:33] <greg-g> cmaloney: too juvenile
[16:33] <rick_h_> yea, we're a red house as well
[16:34] <cmaloney> greg-g: Bah. :)
[16:34] <cmaloney> metal has always been retrograde in some fashion.
[16:34] <greg-g> cmaloney: I listened to/had a slipknot album in hiigh school during my angsty years too, but... just thought they might have retired by now :)
[16:34] <cmaloney> greg-g: No, but they did let Joey Jordinson go.
[16:34]  * greg-g doesn't know the names
[16:34] <cmaloney> Which I equate in the same vein as letting Mike Portnoy go from Dream Theater.
[16:35] <cmaloney> Joey was teh drummer
[16:35] <cmaloney> FOunding member, voice of the band. Etc.
[16:36] <cmaloney> nd yeah, outside of Cory Taylor (only because of the insufferable Stone Sour) and Joey I couldn't pick any of them out of a lineup.
[16:37] <greg-g> oh yeah, that's fair
[16:40] <cmaloney> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-U7TMqLh70z8/U34m2tzbjGI/AAAAAAAADTI/Zbr5vxxsapQ/s756-no/2014+-+1
[16:40] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/AGqfvq - image/jpeg
[16:40] <cmaloney> sometimes adult me wishes he could be kid me again.
[16:40] <cmaloney> ;)
[16:41] <greg-g> don't we all
[16:41]  * cmaloney says over and over "I will not pick up X-Wing Miniatures because it is just a money sink."
[16:44] <greg-g> fucking assholes who go to coffee shops ansd watch fucking streaming movies on their ipads
[16:44] <greg-g> making me lag all to fuck
[16:46] <cmaloney> Open Wifi?
[16:46] <cmaloney> That's when to fire up Firesheep. :)
[16:47] <greg-g> WPA
[16:48] <cmaloney> Dammit
[16:49] <greg-g> "Firesheep is free, open source, and is available now for Mac OS X and Windows. Linux support is on the way."
[16:51] <greg-g> alright changing venues
[16:51] <greg-g> fuck this
[16:51] <cmaloney> greg-g: That's horseshit.
[17:08] <jrwren> two years of using this laptop and I never used the pause/play kb button until today.
[17:08] <jrwren> thanks guys!
[17:08] <jrwren> I've used it like dozen+ times already
[17:13] <greg-g> I hate to say it, but I'm at a starbucks now
[17:13] <rick_h_> greg-g: welcome to the club, sometimes when there's no other options
[17:13] <rick_h_> greg-g: you take what you can get
[17:14] <rick_h_> and I do like their soy lattes :/
[17:14] <mrgoodcat> greg-g: starbux has good wifi
[17:14] <greg-g> I just got an iced coffee
[17:14] <jrwren> openwifi - ssh home and tunnel all
[17:14] <greg-g> but effing Oprah co-branding?
[17:14] <rick_h_> yea, the one by us has the google branded wifi (business class uverse) which was fast
[17:14] <jrwren> SBUX shares MUST GO UP!
[17:14] <rick_h_> lol
[17:15] <greg-g> oh right, I need to go setup my vpn again
[17:15] <jrwren> SBUX competition is McDonalds.
[17:15] <mrgoodcat> for wifi?
[17:15] <jrwren> no, for dollars
[17:16] <mrgoodcat> any way to figure out which starbux has google wifi?
[17:19] <jrwren> you really think it will be faster than ATT?
[17:19] <greg-g> and done (vpn'ing now)
[17:20] <jrwren> its just business class uverse.
[17:20] <jrwren> not like it is google's ISP
[17:21] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: they say up to 10x speedup. but that's probably mostly marketing crap
[17:21] <rick_h_> jrwren: so before my starbucks had a crappy 3mb line through att
[17:22] <rick_h_> google moved it up to a 50 down  15 up connection
[17:22] <rick_h_> I think they're just subsidizing a bigger att pipe
[17:22] <rick_h_> it still shows as an att connection
[17:22] <jrwren> nice!
[17:23] <jrwren> yeah, I'd prefer that SBUX
[17:23] <greg-g> jrwren: as a stock holder, can you complain that they gave me a weak ass plastic plate intead of a real one? it just feels so cheap.
[17:23] <cmaloney> hah
[17:23] <jrwren> greg-g: i'm not. but my sister and wife are.
[17:23] <greg-g> please be my proxy proxy
[17:23] <jrwren> why not buy a share yourself and bring it up at the annual shareholders meeting?
[17:24] <rick_h_> lol
[17:24] <rick_h_> good call!
[17:24] <jrwren> plus, when you visit seatle for the ASM, its technically a business trip and you can expense it.
[17:26] <rick_h_> jcastro: what's the state of the steam box and controller stuff? Can I buy one soon?
[17:27] <jcastro> controller isn't out until the fall
[17:27] <jcastro> until then you need an xbox controller + dongle
[17:27] <rick_h_> my wife is lamenting that we never got a wii and I'd rather steam box it than get a ps4 or xbox1
[17:27] <jcastro> which can be found cheap used everywhere
[17:27] <jcastro> oh, for casual games?
[17:27] <rick_h_> yea
[17:27] <jcastro> consider a fireTV (dead serious)
[17:27] <cmaloney> what sort of casual games?
[17:27] <jcastro> it has casual support and gamepad support
[17:27] <jcastro> it's pretty non-crappy
[17:27] <rick_h_> ugh, but I hate amazon not putting their movies on android and don't want to support them and I hear the controller is crappy
[17:28] <jrwren> a wii, like old wii?
[17:28] <rick_h_> heh
[17:28] <jrwren> just get one off craigslist.  they are CHEAP
[17:28] <jcastro> the fire can use xbox controllers
[17:28] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea she always wanted a wii, but I'd like something that's supported and I might play a game/two on a steambox
[17:28] <jcastro> their movies are on android, just their android, heh
[17:28] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, that doesn't count
[17:28] <rick_h_> not my N10 :(
[17:28] <jcastro> well, most of the DRM video stuff is crap, you're always going to be doomed in one way or another
[17:28] <rick_h_> the steambox stuff seems perfect after cmaloney's demo and talk t MUG
[17:29] <jcastro> you won't have movies or netflix on it though
[17:29] <rick_h_> yea, I've got roku's for that stuf
[17:29] <jcastro> ah ok
[17:29] <rick_h_> I've got a roku 3 and a chromecast on every tv in the house
[17:29] <rick_h_> (and my second monitor in my office)
[17:29] <jrwren> hehe @ every tv in the house.
[17:30] <cmaloney> rick_h_: May want to set up a steam account on your Linux machine and browse the available games
[17:30] <jrwren> we have 1 tv at our house.
[17:30] <rick_h_> jrwren: heh, well 2
[17:30] <brousch> jrwren: Us too
[17:30] <rick_h_> we've got one in the guest room we actually use, and one in a downstairs living room we never use
[17:30] <cmaloney> there's a few "casual" games there but most of them are decidedly not "casual"
[17:30] <brousch> 1 TV total, 1 tablet and 1 laptop per family member
[17:30] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea, I've got steam on ubuntu and other than 4k issues I've got a couple of games I'd play
[17:30] <cmaloney> ie: Wii bowling isn't showing up on Steam. :)
[17:30] <jrwren> brousch: and 5 phones each :)
[17:30] <rick_h_> cmaloney: lol
[17:31] <rick_h_> there was an ouya article recently that got me interested in causual games for the house
[17:31] <brousch> So get an ouya!
[17:31] <mrgoodcat> ouya!
[17:31] <jcastro> rick_h_, out of curiosity, why chromecast when you have dedicated rokus with remotes?
[17:31] <rick_h_> jcastro: because roku can't do google content which is on my N10
[17:32] <rick_h_> jcastro: and my N10 can't do content I bought on AMZ on my rokus
[17:32] <jcastro> rick_h_, agree with cmaloney, the casual games on steam are for like, nerds, not normal people
[17:32] <rick_h_> jcastro: so I'm stuck in two worlds pissed at everyone
[17:32] <jcastro> wait
[17:32] <rick_h_> http://r.bmark.us/u/44647f7418126f
[17:32] <jcastro> you buy content instead of rent?
[17:32] <rick_h_> yes, I have a 4yr old
[17:32] <rick_h_> by week two...it's paid for itself
[17:32] <jcastro> oh, that sucks
[17:32] <rick_h_> even with tv days only be fri/sat/sun
[17:32] <rick_h_> but when we go 'camping' I hook the N10 up to the tv and play offline movies
[17:32] <jcastro> I mean, I dont have my own so when they come over it's like, netflix kids, play, and walk away
[17:33] <rick_h_> yea, but they don't have a lot of content, a TON of disney, etc
[17:33] <rick_h_> and that's streaming which we're not always able to do
[17:33] <rick_h_> offline ftw sometimes
[17:33] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'm afan of buying content when I can.
[17:33] <rick_h_> and for $35, the chromecast is an impulse buy
[17:33] <cmaloney> streaming is for suckers. :)
[17:34] <rick_h_> hmm, ouya, wii on ebay, or something
[17:34] <rick_h_> ok, well good to know. Shame that steam box controller stuff is so far out
[17:34] <cmaloney> I'm a little lukewarm on the Ouya.
[17:34] <rick_h_> didn't they annouce it some 6+ months ago?
[17:34] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Here's a thought...
[17:34] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea, that article hit the sweet spot I think though
[17:34] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: i read that same article
[17:34] <jcastro> the ouya is DOA
[17:35] <jcastro> it's done
[17:35] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: didn't it make you want to go get one?
[17:35]  * rick_h_ checks if it's from someone that works for them :P
[17:35] <jcastro> the firetv can do about everything the ouya can and has AAA content, they're doomed
[17:35] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: yea it did
[17:35] <jcastro> rick_h_, in general steam is for gamers, casual games are far and few between unfortunately
[17:35] <cmaloney> http://www.amazon.com/Atari-Flashback-2-Plug-Play/dp/B00093DHIK
[17:35] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/cQ2k - Amazon.com: Atari Flashback 2+ Plug-in-Play: Video Games
[17:35] <jcastro> like, tetris, there's no tetris in steam
[17:36] <jcastro> but it's like $2 on the firetv
[17:36] <rick_h_> jcastro: so it's basically android games available in their store?
[17:36] <jcastro> yeah, but since they have their own lame app store
[17:36] <jcastro> the games need to be submitted by the devs specifically to amazon
[17:36] <rick_h_> jcastro: heh, I like to causual blow up zombies in left4dead :)
[17:37] <jcastro> which means that it's not as many, but on the flip side it's not a bunch of garbage like the play store either
[17:37] <mrgoodcat> i liked how that article made the ouya sound
[17:37] <mrgoodcat> but idk if it was 100$ worth of like
[17:37] <jcastro> I have one if you want to mess with it, though the gas money to get down here is probably more than the firetv, heh
[17:37] <rick_h_> lol yea
[17:37] <cmaloney> pthhhpt.
[17:37] <mrgoodcat> lol where is "down here"?
[17:37] <brousch> Does fireTV have custom controllers like ouya?
[17:37] <jcastro> rick_h_, used wii is the way to go, there's tons of them out there
[17:38] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'd go with a used Wii in most circumstances.
[17:38] <jcastro> brousch, it has an xbox-like controller that you can buy with it, or it can use xbox controllers with a dongle
[17:38] <rick_h_> yea, aren't some of the games losing their back end servers and such though?
[17:38] <rick_h_> I worry that it was so 'internet connected' that it'll be a brick
[17:38] <cmaloney> save for "I only have HDMI ports on the back of my TV"
[17:38] <brousch> You have to code for the controllers with ouya. You can't just take any old Android game and slap it on there
[17:38] <jcastro> when I say wii I mean whatever the newest wii is
[17:38] <jcastro> not the first wii
[17:38] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Assume there's no Online play for the Wii
[17:38] <cmaloney> The WiiU is a joke.
[17:38] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea, that kind of sucks
[17:38] <cmaloney> and this is coming from a Wii owner.
[17:39] <rick_h_> amz should be sending me a firetv as a prime member that spends too much $$ on their crap, including their movies/etc on my roku boxes
[17:39] <rick_h_> :)
[17:39] <cmaloney> heh
[17:40] <jrwren> what is wrong with WiiU? it looks nice.
[17:40] <mrgoodcat> i know at least one person very happy with his wiiu
[17:40] <rick_h_> ok, guess I'll have to think more on it. I'm darn curious to try out a steambox though. Without the work of installing/etc. Just plug-n-play
[17:40] <rick_h_> well, plug-login-play
[17:40] <jrwren> i stills say ebay or CL an old Wii, buy used games for it - they are cheap and will make your wife happy
[17:41] <brousch> Yes, plenty of games for the child too. All of the LEGO games
[17:41] <jcastro> rick_h_, a nuc would be a nice steambox
[17:41] <cmaloney> The problem I have with the WiiU is that NIntendo is once again releasing the same shit they released for the GC and Wii
[17:41] <jcastro> it'd be portable too
[17:41] <brousch> Although they look much better on PS3
[17:41] <rick_h_> jcastro: +1
[17:41] <cmaloney> just with another controller in the mix.
[17:41] <jrwren> how much does a NUC cost?
[17:41] <rick_h_> jrwren: well fleshed out around $500
[17:41] <jcastro> rick_h_, witcher2 is out for linux, but it needs a more powerful card than an intel
[17:41] <jcastro> jrwren, depends, they come in kits too
[17:42] <jcastro> as low as 300, as high as 700
[17:42] <jrwren> I know you can buy an ipad mini + apple TV for WELL under that, and place nice games on your TV
[17:42] <rick_h_> jcastro: saw that, I need to fire up steam again sometime on my desktop
[17:42] <jcastro> everyone should buy it, it's four dollars
[17:42] <jcastro> and a AAA game
[17:42] <jcastro> show them we exist, etc.
[17:42] <rick_h_> jcastro: when I get around to stop working in time to play a game before bed
[17:43] <cmaloney> Yeah, there's lots of cool games for Linux
[17:43] <jrwren> $229 ipadmini + $99 appletv => $328 - still cheaper than a NUC + cables :p
[17:43] <cmaloney> There's a few more casual games on there though.
[17:43] <jrwren> LOTS more casual games on ios
[17:43] <cmaloney> rick_h_: We'll need to have a gaming party or something
[17:43] <rick_h_> I think the whole amz vs google play thing sucks, I'm never going back to iAnything
[17:44] <rick_h_> cmaloney: definitely
[17:44] <cmaloney> and anyone else in here that's hopped on the gaming discussion. :)
[17:44] <jcastro> jrwren, your solution to rick's lockin problem is even worse lockin?
[17:44] <cmaloney> jcastro: it's iLocks.
[17:44] <jrwren> lockin problem?
[17:45] <jrwren> EVERYTHING in the game industry is lockin. If you don't want lockin, don't play video games.
[17:46] <jcastro> he was talking about videos
[17:46] <greg-g> weird, I connect with my vpn and the starbucks wifi kicks me off in 5 minutes, reconnect plain style and I'm fine
[17:46] <brousch> There are games on F-Droid
[17:46] <jcastro> rick_h_, I'll show you how to truly avoid lockin with plex dude
[17:47] <jrwren> greg-g: what kind of VPN?
[17:48] <greg-g> uhhh, cisco compat with my work?
[17:48] <greg-g> s/with/via/
[17:49] <jrwren> dunno :(
[17:52] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, all that seems cool but I just don't have the time to maintain/build stuff any more. I'm a dumb user
[17:52] <jcastro> yeah I hear ya
[17:52] <rick_h_> I want to be a cool kid and all, but too grown up
[17:53] <greg-g> 'tis why I went with a synology nas :/
[17:53] <jrwren> excuses!
[17:53] <jrwren> if it were important to you, you would do it!
[17:53] <greg-g> Rowan trumps *
[17:53] <rick_h_> greg-g: +1
[17:53] <jrwren> build it with rowan :p
[17:53] <jcastro> as stupid as the online services are, I love that it's still 50x better than how the TV and cable companies want you to do things
[17:54] <jrwren> ^^ yup
[17:54] <rick_h_> at some point you've got more $$ than free time, hello lawn mower service, hello camper dealer doing my maintenance
[17:54] <jcastro> rick_h_, yeah sucks about the split brain on your video though
[17:54] <jcastro> I also have a lawn service, etc.
[17:54] <greg-g> jrwren: he doesn't do much of that 'building' quite yet, mostly the 'destroying part ;)
[17:54] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, I really wish amz would have their app for all android and then I'd just use them
[17:55] <rick_h_> jcastro: but because they don't I've started to go with pure google, at least a chromecast is $35 vs $99 for the roku with amz
[17:55] <rick_h_> greg-g: hah +1
[17:55] <greg-g> also, take back the 'no vpn works fine' here, this AP is just dropping every now ad then, too
[17:55] <jcastro> yeah at least you get HDMI CEC with  the chromecast so you're not fuddling with input garbage all day
[18:02] <jrwren> greg-g: yeah, Lilly is finally reading at a good level, so she can help with a lot more things.
[18:32] <mrgoodcat> greg-g: you on the attwifi or google? just to satisfy my curiosity
[18:33] <mrgoodcat> .stock noc
[18:33] <bookiebot> Northrop Grumman - $118.604 +0.344 (+0.29%) H:$118.89 L:$118.01 O:$118.27 Volume:493208 [2:18pm]
[18:33] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: att
[18:34] <jrwren> fun bot.
[18:35] <jrwren> .stock sbux
[18:35] <bookiebot> Starbucks Corpora - $71.65 +1.25 (+1.78%) H:$71.77 L:$70.30 O:$70.36 Volume:2469506 [2:20pm]
[18:35] <jrwren> .stock mcd
[18:35] <bookiebot> McDonald's Corpor - $102.51 -0.05 (-0.05%) H:$102.98 L:$102.23 O:$102.65 Volume:1435242 [2:20pm]
[18:35] <greg-g> .stock wmf
[18:36] <mrgoodcat> you have to know the symbol though. It doesn't do any closest match or anything
[18:36] <greg-g> oh right, we're a nonprofit that cares about the world, not money
[18:36] <greg-g> :P
[18:36] <mrgoodcat> oh lol i was about to check the debug console to figure out what went wrong
[18:36] <greg-g> I'm just a troll :)
[18:37] <mrgoodcat> HLO is high low open for the current day
[18:37] <mrgoodcat> time is the time of the last trade
[18:38] <brousch> greg-g: How can we measure your org's worth if it does not have a stock price?!
[18:38] <greg-g> brousch: :P
[18:38] <brousch> Obviously it is worthless
[18:38] <greg-g> there have been attempts, we're in the tens of billions
[18:38] <mrgoodcat> must be
[18:39] <brousch> Maybe we could measure it by the losses incurred by your commercial competitors. How is the encyclopedia business these days?
[18:39] <greg-g> none-existent
[18:40] <greg-g> http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-much-is-wikipedia-worth-704865/?no-ist
[18:40] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/fzGZTR - How Much is Wikipedia Worth? | Smart News | Smithsonian
[18:41] <mrgoodcat> brousch: that's probably not even too bad of an estimate
[18:41] <mrgoodcat> low i'd guess though
[18:42] <greg-g> economists did what you're asking, see above
[18:43] <mrgoodcat> yea just read that
[19:02] <cmaloney> .stock alu
[19:02] <bookiebot> Alcatel-Lucent Co - $3.82 -0.07 (-1.80%) H:$3.89 L:$3.81 O:$3.88 Volume:9572030 [2:47pm]
[19:02] <cmaloney> That surprises me.
[19:06] <jrwren> why? they have been in toilet for years.
[19:06] <jrwren> i paid $50/share for that dud.
[19:06] <jrwren> .stock MMLP
[19:06] <bookiebot> Martin Midstream - $40.02 -0.02 (-0.05%) H:$40.29 L:$39.96 O:$40.00 Volume:45410 [2:51pm]
[19:06] <cmaloney> Im surprised they're not still floating around $1
[19:06] <jrwren> whoa! good deal.
[19:06] <cmaloney> Which is where it was when I left.
[19:08] <cmaloney> waf: You still on track to head overseas?
[19:08] <cmaloney> seems the shit is hitting the fan over there politically.
[19:10] <cmaloney> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27529563
[19:10] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/ldbOfv - BBC News - Questions remain about Thai army's sudden takeover
[23:42] <cmaloney> rick_h_: https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=keyed_up_labs
[23:45] <rick_h_> the clear?
[23:45] <cmaloney> Any of them.
[23:45] <cmaloney> Looks interesting.
[23:46] <cmaloney> https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=leopold,compact&pid=fc660ceg <- This also looks way expensive. :)
[23:47] <cmaloney> But... switchable CTRL / Caps Lock
[23:48] <rick_h_> it's the topre switches
[23:48] <cmaloney> Yeah, I've never used those.
[23:48] <rick_h_> yea, I can't get over the price tag
[23:48] <rick_h_> it's the one keyboard switch I've not tried due to price
[23:49] <rick_h_> I did pick up one of the thinkpad keyboards and used that this last week+ with the trackpoint on it
[23:49] <rick_h_> but I do start to get wrist pain these days when on the desktop. I end up back on my kenesis like greg-g
[23:50] <cmaloney> Ugh
[23:51] <rick_h_> yea, kind of bummed
[23:51] <rick_h_> but bound to happen I guess
[23:51] <rick_h_> that thinkpad keyboard makes an awesome small 'server' keyboard though