[05:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: regarding the settings tab on projects.kde you'll likely want to talk to Ben
[06:05] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1275584] Kubuntu 14.04 Kickoff Font Look Ugly / Jerky @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1275584 (by j2snowden)
[06:11] <soee> good morning
[07:06] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:53] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[07:55] <lordievader> Good morning ahoneybun, how are you?
[07:55] <ahoneybun> hey lordievader long time!
[07:58] <ahoneybun> lordievader: doing pretty good had to ditch Chakra
[07:59] <lordievader> Remind me, Chakra?
[08:31] <valorie> hi ahoneybun
[08:33] <valorie> sorry, heading to bed
[08:38] <lordievader> valorie: Sleep well ;)
[09:16] <yofel> lordievader: he was distro-hopping ^^
[09:16] <lordievader> Ah, an Arch fork. Thanks yofel.
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hiya folks
[12:43] <mitya57> ScottK: I think Timo uses MPs to trigger CI.
[12:44] <mitya57> (but I'll let him reply himself)
[12:44] <ScottK> mitya57: Either he shouldn't ask for reviews or they shouldn't be ignored.
[12:45] <mitya57> I agree.
[12:46] <mitya57> (Though I disagree with rhe "separate namespace" part)
[12:51] <soee> when do you plan to put plasma-next into some ppa so the current one can be update?
[12:53] <ScottK> soee: Need Qt 5.3 first.
[12:54] <ScottK> mitya57: Seeing the lack of replies on moving to 5.3 when we need it combined with the lack of consideration in merge proposals, I think we're at or close to the point where pretending we can work together on the packages can't be sustained.
[12:59] <ScottK> Alternately me quitting Ubuntu development is another option.  This is just too frustrating.
[13:02] <yofel> can we sync the debian experimental packages into our new next ppa?
[13:02] <yofel> it's not like the whole ubuntu-desktop stuff is relevant to us
[13:04] <apachelogger> #bringbackourqt
[13:13] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1322602] package qt4-doc 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.6 failed to install/upgrade: short read on buffer copy fo... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1322602 (by gtoto)
[13:17] <apachelogger> kubotu: that's not what I meant
[14:06] <shadeslayer> valorie: can you send me your listadmin.ini conf for kubuntu-devel
[14:08] <shadeslayer> ScottK: so kgamma needs a sync for 4.13.1
[14:09] <shadeslayer> ScottK: but since we've not uploaded 4.13.1 yet, how do we proceed
[14:11]  * yofel got a new thinkpad T440 at work today. This has the shittyest touchpad ever @_@ http://who-t.blogspot.de/2013/12/lenovo-t440-touchpad-button.html
[14:11] <yofel> shadeslayer: just go and upload
[14:11] <yofel> oh wait
[14:11] <yofel> and why are you syncing?
[14:11] <yofel> the best you can do is fakesyncing because we need to have it in bzr anyway
[14:11] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:26] <ScottK> You can sync and then update bzr.
[14:26] <ScottK> You wouldn't have the VCS header in the package, but do we care?
[14:33] <Mirv> yeah so far the main reason for MP:s has been to trigger code coverage numbers, but I'm happy if there starts to be normal MP reviewing too. I just didn't get the reviews on time this time.
[14:34] <Mirv> Ubuntu release process needs the PPA preparation / sync, but these PPA:s (once properly usable) can be used from other PPA:s as dependencies for builds too
[14:35] <Mirv> it's of course different from the traditional distro processes which causes friction, but it's not really for me to decide
[14:36] <Mirv> the qt5-beta2 doesn't have abi bumps done so it's only usable for quick&hacky builds, but it should be usable right now
[14:37] <ScottK> mitya57: That's not the "Ubuntu release process".  It's a Canonical release process.
[14:37] <ScottK> tab complete fail.
[14:37] <ScottK> Mirv: ^^^
[14:38] <ScottK> Riddell: I think whatever you did to make it so those merge proposals make it to kubuntu-devel should probably be undone.  
[14:42] <Mirv> ScottK: well the process has been developed by Canonical but community devels like the core app developers also use it
[14:42] <ScottK> Mirv: Also not really Ubuntu.
[14:43] <Mirv> ScottK: Ubuntu is nowadays phone, cloud, desktop, all of it is ~Ubuntu. but yeah I understand on the other hand, it's not the traditional Ubuntu.
[14:43] <ScottK> Ubuntu as a term is overloaded.
[14:44] <ScottK> I should specify Ubuntu the Linux distribution.
[14:44] <Mirv> true, the terms and usage of them has been problematic since... the beginning
[14:44] <ScottK> Yep.
[14:44] <yofel> Mirv: problem is that we try to push our stuff to the archive as soon as it's kinda usable so it gets proper integration testing. PPA's make that rather hard and provide only a fraction of testing coverage :(
[14:45] <yofel> if canonical has the resources to QA PPA's - good. We don't really :/
[14:45] <ScottK> It's fundamentally incompatible for the "due to phone, things must be perfect" approach.
[14:46] <Mirv> yofel: yeah, I've no clear idea how to resolve those differences in way of working, but I hope the correct people will show up at ubuntu-devel for example
[14:46] <Mirv> indeed the PPA:s are QA:d
[14:46] <ScottK> Mirv: So far the only reply I've seen to my questions about 5.3 is "we're looking at it".
[14:46] <Mirv> via for example automated jenkins jobs adding the PPA and running autopilot tests
[14:46] <ScottK> Not very helpful.
[14:47] <Mirv> ScottK: I don't have an answer myself since I can't decide it, but I've understood "a couple of weeks" should be set as the maximum as the Phone can't simply afford either staying at 5.2 or a later migration
[14:48] <Mirv> but they do want it to work when it lands. it's better than 5.2.0 by far, but still has bugs like string split crashing in certain situations so probably cherry-picking and working with upstream is required.
[14:49] <ScottK> Wouldn't it be nice if there were some actual communication about those things.
[14:52] <ScottK> Mirv: I know you've been working hard to try and collaborate, but beyond you I don't see much communication on Qt5 stuff from Canonical people.
[14:55] <Mirv> it would. I try to nudge some people.
[16:16] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1322602] package qt4-doc 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.6 failed to install/upgrade: short read on buffer copy fo... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1322602 (by gtoto)
[19:41] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1306890] KDE-Session crashes when configuring positions of multiple monitors @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1306890 (by kaefert)
[23:03] <ahoneybun> has anyone been about to use kde telepathy with a google account that has 2 factor login?