[19:00] <belkinsa> #startmeeting Ubuntu Scientists
[19:00] <belkinsa> Er, the meetingbot is gone.
[19:00] <belkinsa> Anyways, who is for the Ubuntu Scientists meeting?
[19:01] <Aleo> Me - Alejandro
[19:01]  * balachmar raises hand
[19:01] <belkinsa> #chair belkinsa
[19:01] <belkinsa> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/Meetings/Agenda/05232014
[19:01] <belkinsa> Anyone else?
[19:02] <belkinsa> Okay, let's start...
[19:02] <belkinsa> #topic Set up monthly meetings
[19:02] <belkinsa> First of all, are too young as team for having monthly meetings?
[19:03] <balachmar> is that a question, or a statement? :)
[19:03] <belkinsa> Even though monthly meetings creates a better focus for the team.
[19:03] <Aleo> I think it is better to have monthly meetings
[19:03] <belkinsa> Question, and I meant are we too*
[19:03] <balachmar> Monthly meetings are a good idea I think
[19:04] <balachmar> It is not too often, so it doesn't consume a lot of time
[19:04] <belkinsa> Right, meetings should be under an hour.
[19:04] <balachmar> +1 :)
[19:05] <belkinsa> Should we do this time and the last Friday of the month?  Or something else?
[19:05] <Aleo> I think that maybe the time for meeting we can change
[19:05] <Aleo> I made mistake in calculation, so I am at 4:00 (am).
[19:05] <balachmar> For me this is a good time, but depending on the other participants, we might need to rotate times or something
[19:05] <belkinsa> What you have in mind?
[19:06] <Aleo> For me earlier or later is ok.   Last friday of the month is ok for me
[19:06] <balachmar> thursdays work a little better for me, but I can do fridays as well
[19:07] <belkinsa> Alright.   I will do a call on the mailing-list on a better time/day.
[19:07] <belkinsa> #action belkinsa Make a call on mailing-list about monthly meeting time/day
[19:07] <balachmar> sure, and if times vary a lot, rotating could help
[19:08] <Aleo> If possible let's work on UTC time from the beginning, so it is easier to calculate
[19:08] <balachmar> sure times need to be communicated in utc
[19:08] <belkinsa> Sorry about that, it was Doodle's fault when I shut off the timezone setting.
[19:09] <belkinsa> And I will ask about rotating the times/days.
[19:09] <balachmar> no worries
[19:09] <Aleo> no prob
[19:09] <belkinsa> Are we ready to move on?
[19:09] <balachmar> yep
[19:09] <Aleo> yes
[19:10] <belkinsa> #topic vUDS Prep
[19:10] <belkinsa> Again, is this needed for the team or not?
[19:10] <belkinsa> Also, I was asked to be a track lead.
[19:10] <belkinsa> So, I think I can do another track.
[19:10] <balachmar> I am not sure, never attended a vUDS
[19:11] <balachmar> They are normally during my work hours...
[19:11] <belkinsa> vUDS is June 10 to June 12.  Times for the tracks are unknown at this moment.
[19:11] <belkinsa> vUDS's seem to be for many.
[19:11] <belkinsa> balachmar ^^^
[19:12] <Aleo> What type of activity or role do we have for vUDS? that would be different from normal meetings?
[19:13] <belkinsa> Tracks are splints that are planning for the cycle (14.10 for example) and blueprints are created with those goals and the monthly meetings we work on them.
[19:14] <balachmar> Would you like to use a vUDS to draw more attention to this?
[19:14] <balachmar> Because we can make blueprints without a vUDS as well
[19:15] <belkinsa> It would be a use and maybe we could get help from the outside world (the rest of the COmmunity)
[19:17] <Aleo> We can try to participate on the next vUDS, but again the time of the meetings would be a concern.
[19:17] <belkinsa> That can work.
[19:18] <Aleo> They are to be held on Tue ~ Thu.
[19:18] <balachmar> But we need not all be present at a vUDS
[19:19] <balachmar> just a "delegation" with some prepared work
[19:19] <belkinsa> Not all.  The lead and the ones who want to join in either in G+ Hangouts or just plain old IRC.
[19:20] <balachmar> I would at least do some preparation together to make sure there is some concensus
[19:21] <belkinsa> +1
[19:21] <Aleo> Yes, I think that would be good.
[19:21] <belkinsa> Do you want to take that action item, balachmar, on mailing the list about the prep and working up a blueprint draft?
[19:22] <balachmar> belkinsa, to be honest I am a bit short on time at the moment...
[19:22] <belkinsa> Okay, I can take it if you don't mind.
[19:23] <balachmar> I don't mind
[19:23] <balachmar> I will try to pitch in as much as possible
[19:23] <belkinsa> #action belkinsa Work on vUDS Prep and mail the mailing-list
[19:23] <belkinsa> I understand.
[19:24] <belkinsa> Ready to move on?
[19:24] <balachmar> yep
[19:24] <Aleo> Yes
[19:25] <belkinsa> #topic Discussion of team's goals
[19:25] <belkinsa> #https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-scientists/+spec/goals
[19:25] <belkinsa> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-scientists/+spec/goals
[19:26] <belkinsa> I believe this was yours, balachmar.  Want to talk about them, if you have anything else to add?
[19:26] <balachmar> By the way, I am just reading about the meetingology, pretty cool :)
[19:27] <belkinsa> It is.
[19:27] <balachmar> Well, I just wanted to find out what the goal(s) of the group would be
[19:27] <belkinsa> But there seem to be missing bot issues around the Community.
[19:28] <balachmar> Because the initial description was a bit vague, and could be interpreted as any one of those
[19:28] <belkinsa> I think they are good ones.
[19:28] <belkinsa> I think I know who we can contact for that fourth item.
[19:29] <balachmar> But I do think we should try to pick one or two of them to start with (I would actually propose one)
[19:29] <belkinsa> +1
[19:29] <balachmar> And then work one that goal, until we have something good for that and then pick another.
[19:29] <belkinsa> I like this idea.
[19:30] <belkinsa> Aleo, what do you think?
[19:30] <balachmar> But in the OSS mentality, obviously if someone comes in with a real passion for any of those items (s)he is free to pursue
[19:30] <belkinsa> Indeed.
[19:30] <Aleo> Yes, I was also thinking similarly, about separating in groups to handle them.   But we are lacking in manpower
[19:31] <balachmar> Aleo, that is why at the moment we should just pick one and go for that one
[19:31] <Aleo> so as balachmar proposes it should be better to handle one at a time.
[19:31] <balachmar> 2 and 3 are very difficult and long term
[19:31] <belkinsa> 4 may have some leads that are outside the Ubuntu Community that I can contact.
[19:32] <balachmar> It seems that belkinsa already has an idea for at least one success story
[19:32] <Aleo> Ok, I would like to add one more more.
[19:32] <Aleo> sorry to ask one more
[19:32] <belkinsa> Go ahead.
[19:32] <Aleo> This blueprint page can be edited by anyone, correct?
[19:32] <belkinsa> Correct.
[19:33] <Aleo> No need to be a member of the group, correct?
[19:33] <belkinsa> I believe so.
[19:34] <balachmar> I think you need to be part of the group
[19:35] <Aleo> Ok, that was it.   Most of the wiki/documentation is public, so I was wondering if we needed a special "privilege" to edit the documentation.
[19:35] <Aleo> Anyway, let's work on No. 1 then.
[19:35] <belkinsa> Anyone can edit the wiki.
[19:36] <belkinsa> You need a LP and a Ubuntu SSO account.
[19:36] <belkinsa> If you need help, you can aways ask in #ubuntu-doc or e-mail the doc team's mailing-list.
[19:36] <balachmar> So, for goal#1, there already exists http://www.osalt.com/ etc
[19:37] <balachmar> But I think it is useful if we would start a wiki or something to group tools/software into categories that are geared towards scientists
[19:38] <belkinsa> I was too and I know that Ubuntu Community Help Wiki has that page on software.
[19:38] <belkinsa> (Switching topics since we are talking about it)
[19:38] <belkinsa> #topic Discussion of what should be on our Wiki Team Pages.
[19:38] <belkinsa> #topic Discussion of what should be on our Wiki Team Pages
[19:39] <belkinsa> Maybe we can link that page somewhere on our team pages
[19:39] <Aleo> Is this different from blueprints page?
[19:39] <belkinsa> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/
[19:39] <belkinsa> Yes, it's our wiki stuff.
[19:39] <Aleo> Ok, thank you
[19:40] <belkinsa> It's where we have the resources to help people.  And bookkeeping.
[19:40] <Aleo> So, let's start by introducing the team goals
[19:40] <balachmar> ok, so I think there we should have an overview of what we did
[19:41] <belkinsa> Sure.
[19:41] <balachmar> So indeed start with the goals we identified, but clearly mention the goals we currently focus on
[19:41] <belkinsa> Alright, should this be on the homepage (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/) or another page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/Goals)?
[19:41] <balachmar> Then maybe also a small snipper about the people currently involved
[19:42] <belkinsa> We could.
[19:42] <Aleo> Maybe in the same
[19:42] <balachmar> I think at the home page, it is the first thing I would want to know
[19:42] <Aleo> For starters
[19:42] <balachmar> snipper = snippets obviously
[19:42] <belkinsa> Okay, I was thinking that to but I still wanted to ask.
[19:43] <balachmar> And for one of the success stories a small excerpt
[19:43] <belkinsa> #action belkinsa Contact Open Science to see if there is some success stories
[19:43] <belkinsa> Okay, and then we can have a large page with other stories.
[19:44] <balachmar> ok, so what differentiates us from Open Science?
[19:44] <balachmar> brb
[19:44] <belkinsa> We are of the Ubuntu and it's favours Community and they are a mix of Dirstos and other things
[19:45] <belkinsa> What I meant was that we are Ubuntu and it's favours users and we are within this Community and I think we can make some impact.
[19:45] <Aleo> To be clear open science is openscience.org?
[19:45] <belkinsa> Yes.
[19:46] <Aleo> ok, thank you
[19:46] <belkinsa> Wait, no, I meant them: http://opensciencefederation.com/
[19:46] <belkinsa> But I can look at them.
[19:46]  * balachmar is back
[19:46] <belkinsa> Just like Ubuntu Women (sorry, I had to go back on what I said before).
[19:47] <balachmar> ok, sure then I get it
[19:47] <balachmar> I thought that open science was also a group within ubuntu space
[19:47] <belkinsa> Ah.
[19:47] <Aleo> yes, me too
[19:48] <balachmar> I have no problem with having a similar theme specific to ubuntu
[19:48] <balachmar> as long as we try to communicate well with other initiatives
[19:48] <balachmar> no need to do double work
[19:48] <belkinsa> +1
[19:48] <Aleo> ok, so the large page, that belkinsa mentioned is part of the wiki?
[19:49] <belkinsa> Yes.  Something like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/Stories
[19:50] <balachmar> For example with FLOSS alternatives, I think it might be useful to also state how widespread the use is.
[19:50] <belkinsa> Also we need a page titled https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/Resources
[19:50] <Aleo> I propose something
[19:51] <belkinsa> balachmar, we should.
[19:51] <belkinsa> Aleo, go a head.
[19:51] <belkinsa> ahead*
[19:51] <balachmar> For example, I work in data analysis/statistics, and there are quite a few closed source packages, but R for instance is very wide spread. Also used in industry a lot.
[19:51] <balachmar> Aleo, go ahead
[19:52] <Aleo> Since belkinsa mentioned the project.   So, for starters why don't we copy the structure of the Ubuntu Wome's wiki page and use it as the base for our wiki page
[19:52] <Aleo> This is.  Project, Whois, Meetings and events, Projects, Resources, Guidelines.
[19:52] <belkinsa> We could but I think it's easily copyable.
[19:53] <Aleo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWomen
[19:53] <belkinsa> Because they have their own wiki not on the Ubuntu Wiki.
[19:53] <belkinsa> Oh, that page?
[19:53] <Aleo> As a starting point
[19:53] <belkinsa> I never know that existed!
[19:54] <belkinsa> knew*
[19:54] <balachmar> yep, the shois section would be useful indeed
[19:54] <belkinsa> I like that idea, Aleo.
[19:54] <balachmar> me too
[19:54] <Aleo> I have never edited an Ubuntu wiki, but I can volunteer to try
[19:55] <belkinsa> Sure, I can help you, Aleo.
[19:55]  * belkinsa is a part of the Doc Team
[19:55] <belkinsa> Correction, is the driver for the Wiki Sub-team.
[19:56] <belkinsa> Aleo, do you want to do this in a sandbox page first?
[19:56] <Aleo> Sure
[19:56] <belkinsa> Okay
[19:56] <belkinsa> #action Aleo work out a wiki team page
[19:56] <Aleo> I will ask if I cannot do.
[19:56] <belkinsa> Alright.
[19:57] <belkinsa> Are we set on this item?
[19:57] <Aleo> If it is ok, let's set that as a goal/target for the month.
[19:57] <belkinsa> Sure.
[19:57] <Aleo> Yes
[19:57] <belkinsa> #topic AOB
[19:58] <balachmar> I have no other business :)
[19:58] <belkinsa> Oh, I so misread that Aleo.
[19:58] <belkinsa> But sure we can set that as ours.
[19:59] <Aleo> what is AOB?
[19:59] <balachmar> any other business
[19:59] <belkinsa> Any Other Business.
[19:59] <Aleo> ahhh
[19:59] <Aleo> jaja, No more business
[19:59] <belkinsa> Alright.  Ending meeting now
[19:59] <belkinsa> #endmeeting
[19:59] <balachmar> So I think we can/should steal the Whois part of the women, with profiles of the people involved and then interviews would be our success stories
[20:00] <belkinsa> Thank you all for coming to the meeting.
[20:00] <balachmar> sure, you are welcome
[20:00] <belkinsa> balachmar, I like this idea.
[20:01] <Aleo> Ok, noted
[20:01] <balachmar> although the profiles could be a little more extensive then just a table, with this few people
[20:02] <belkinsa> Yeah.
[20:02] <belkinsa> But we can do something else.
[20:02] <balachmar> I would then also include a short bio, which might allows them to make a more educated choice on who to contact
[20:02] <balachmar> but that will grow over time
[20:02] <belkinsa> I hope it does.
[20:03] <balachmar> mmm, for some reason the wiki is having troubles logging me in using my u1 account...
[20:03] <belkinsa> You need a LP account and we need to move this over to our channel
[20:03] <balachmar> ok, sure