[00:56] <jrwren> why do you need switchable ctrl / caps lock? just make whatever OS you are using do that.
[00:56] <jrwren> i can't even use computers with kb that don't capslock as ctrl anymore :(
[01:00] <rick_h_> jrwren: I was wondering about chromeos
[01:00] <rick_h_> I don't know if it has a method to change that mapping for ctrl-t and w and such for opening/closing tabs
[01:02] <waf> cmaloney: yeah, we're monitoring it. might hang around australia for a bit waiting for things to calm down
[01:05] <jrwren> *gasp*
[01:05] <jrwren> could be a show stopper for me on chromeos
[01:06] <cmaloney> waf: Hope you all stay safe
[01:07] <waf> thanks
[01:07] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: https://support.google.com/chromebook/answer/177875?hl=en
[01:08] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: right, I was just explaining to jrwren why I cared
[01:08] <mrgoodcat> ah
[01:08] <mrgoodcat> i really ought to make bookiebot handle netsplits better
[01:08] <mrgoodcat> currently just times out and quits
[01:16] <mrgoodcat> they're slowly adding functionality to chromeos that "full" operating systems have
[01:16] <mrgoodcat> the little things like screenshots and remapping
[01:22] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: just went to my keyboard settings and remapped my keys. not only can you remap the meta keys, but there is an option to use the media keys as f keys like they are in ubuntu (a major pain point for me in chrome os)
[01:22] <mrgoodcat> http://imgur.com/Rk23mmo
[01:22] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/uJGjOf - imgur: the simple image sharer
[01:23] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: coolio
[02:51] <mrgoodcat> bourbon chocolate sauce
[02:51] <mrgoodcat> mmmmmm
[13:05] <jrwren> party party
[13:06] <rick_h_> thief!
[13:06] <brousch_> partly party
[13:07] <jrwren> immitation is flatery.
[13:12] <brousch_> Portly Patty pooted prettily past Patrick's potty party.
[13:13] <jrwren> i do'n't know that I've ever heard that one
[13:18] <brousch_> I just made it up
[13:19] <mrgoodcat> potty party?
[13:21] <brousch_> mrgoodcat: Interested?
[13:41] <jrwren> whoa, more reason to ddg http://www.metafilter.com/139305/The-Mother-of-All-Self-Links
[13:41] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/PcQiEu - The Mother of All Self Links? | MetaFilter
[13:48] <cmaloney> What exactly does Metafilter do?
[13:48] <cmaloney> I've never quite understood that site.
[13:49] <mrgoodcat> should just go home now instead of at lunch
[13:50] <mrgoodcat> "google is breaking the internet" seems like a bit of a dramatic title...
[13:50] <cmaloney> Well, it's breaking Metafilter.
[13:50] <mrgoodcat> sorry your business model revolved around the support of a company that has exactly zero financial interest in you
[13:50] <cmaloney> so they have a vested self-interest
[13:52] <brousch_> metafilter is like fark/dig or a poor-man's reddit
[13:52] <brousch_> digg?
[13:55] <cmaloney> So basically a community of folks that post links to stuff on the internet.
[13:56] <brousch_> yes
[13:57] <brousch_> But with a website theme right from 1998
[14:01] <jrwren> i never understood metafilter either.
[14:06] <mrgoodcat> it's pretty much exactly the kind of thing that the google updates are trying to stop
[14:06] <mrgoodcat> also ebay. glad something is being done about ebayspam
[14:09] <brousch_> ebayspam?
[14:10] <mrgoodcat> seems like every time i search for anything, multiple google results will be ebayers trying to sell me that thing
[14:11] <mrgoodcat> here's the link to the article if you haven't seen it http://www.wordstream.com/blog/ws/2014/05/21/panda-4
[14:12] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/RSVg9N - Panda 4.0: Why eBay Just Lost 80% of its Organic Rankings | WordStream
[14:12] <mrgoodcat> also, the google results you get that point to ebay are usually crap
[14:12] <mrgoodcat> it's not even useful if i'm trying to find something on ebay
[14:40] <cmaloney> eBay has gone into the shitter anyway
[14:41] <mrgoodcat> yea. the organic links to ebay ALL suck. the prices aren't great anymore. buyers hate it. sellers hate it.
[14:42] <cmaloney> I used to sell on eBay. I just closed my account yesterday
[14:42] <cmaloney> I know other folks who routinely post stuff on eBay and have constantly bitched about how they screw sellers.
[14:42] <cmaloney> frankly I find the whole thing a race to the bottom.
[14:44] <mrgoodcat> i find when i sell used stuff i have the best luck just selling to friends
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> i probably sell for less money but i get to feel like i gave someone i know a deal and i know i'm not going to get shanked like craigslist deals
[14:48] <cmaloney> Yeah, I've never used, nor do I plan on using Craigslist
[14:51] <brousch_> I have used it twice and it went well both times :P
[14:52] <brousch_> But then I don't live in The D
[14:53] <cmaloney> brousch_: Right, but we're not trolling the "missed connections" portions. :)
[14:53] <cmaloney> you: running away screaming "help, please get this creep away from me".
[14:53] <cmaloney> me: madly in love.
[14:53] <cmaloney> Call me.
[14:55] <brousch_> I got my son's drum set for $60 on Craigslist :P
[14:56] <cmaloney> So we've accounted for both times. :)
[15:00] <mrgoodcat> craigslist isn't inherently bad. just sometimes can be kinda shady
[15:00] <mrgoodcat> craigslist deals gone wrong are pretty commonplace in the news
[15:01] <mrgoodcat> also brousch_ :< Detroit is fine you be nice
[15:02] <brousch_> i imagine every Craigslist deal in Detroit involves guns and a posse
[15:14] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[15:14] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's current track - Liquid Fire by Gojira on L'Enfant Sauvage
[15:14]  * cmaloney fucking loves this album
[15:45] <mrgoodcat> anybody use the new beta.congress.gov?
[15:57] <greg-g> holy https://www.privacyinternational.org/blog/what-does-gchq-know-about-our-devices-that-we-dont
[15:57] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/2aKBz2 - What does GCHQ know about our devices that we don't? | Privacy International
[15:58] <mrgoodcat> yea i saw that yesterday. it kind of scared me
[15:58] <mrgoodcat> like why the hell would they care about keyboard controllers?
[15:58] <mrgoodcat> could it be something innocuous like a buffer that doesn't get flushed immediately?
[16:00] <jrwren> its related to aliens.
[16:01] <jrwren> you see, aliens can read the historical contents of larger transistors like ones used in KB controllers.
[16:01] <cmaloney> Or the "take no chances" mentality
[16:01] <jrwren> foreign governments have been working with the aliens to obtain data from large transistor keybaord controllers
[16:01] <cmaloney> though in this day and age I'm sure it's because there's some buffering going on
[16:02] <mrgoodcat> i'm sure it's buffering related to regular use
[16:02] <mrgoodcat> that could potentially be used to store the data even if the hard drives are changed out
[16:02] <mrgoodcat> "technically possible"
[16:11] <mrgoodcat> for all the privacy nuts out there https://www.eff.org/privacybadger
[16:11] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/AJEihN - Privacy Badger | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[16:12] <greg-g> I'm going with jrwren's analysis.
[16:12] <cmaloney> heh
[16:36] <cmaloney> Man HP must be a huge company if they can axe 16,000 folks: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/05/hp-axes-up-to-16000-more-jobs/
[16:36] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/DQG9r7 - HP axes up to 16,000 more jobs | Ars Technica
[16:37] <greg-g> linkedin just says "10,000+"
[16:38] <greg-g> oh wait, no, LinkedIn itself knows of "258,279 Employees on LinkedIn"
[16:38] <greg-g> the first was just the category it was placed in
[16:38] <cmaloney> Probably added 16,000 today.
[16:39] <cmaloney> http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/05/hp-axes-up-to-16000-more-jobs/?comments=1&post=26900123
[16:39] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/nHtdqo - HP axes up to 16,000 more jobs | Ars Technica
[16:41] <greg-g> does bookiebot automatically add urls from this channel to a bmark.us bookiebot account?
[16:41] <greg-g> that'd be neat
[16:41] <greg-g> one of the tags would be the username of the person who pasted it
[16:41] <rick_h_> ruh roh, new feature on the way
[16:41] <greg-g> :)
[16:51] <jrwren> jcastro: did you ever publish those ES and LS charms?
[16:56] <jcastro> yeah but they're not in the official store
[16:56] <jcastro> there's one  bug left for ES
[16:57] <jcastro> with a relation, but I have a dude working on it
[16:57] <jcastro> logstash is fine though, so is kibana
[16:57] <jrwren> for LS, do you run ES and LS on same node?
[16:57] <jcastro> no
[16:57] <jcastro> you can if you want though
[16:58] <greg-g> heh, we were just talking about finally upgrading our Logstash ES cluster to 1.1.0 today :)
[16:58] <jrwren> huh, i'm trying 1.3.3 here
[16:58] <greg-g> (and today they releasesed 1.2.0)
[16:58] <jrwren> oh, that is LS
[16:58] <jrwren> ES is 1.0.3
[16:58] <jrwren> lame
[16:58] <jrwren> I need newer
[16:58] <greg-g> :)
[16:58] <rick_h_> at least you're over 1.0
[16:58] <jrwren> i'm not running it AT ALL
[16:58] <jrwren> cuz it doesn't work.
[16:58] <jrwren> cuz... its really shitty software
[16:59] <rick_h_> oh, well in that case
[16:59] <jrwren> but, I want to believe.
[16:59] <jrwren> well, not really I don't want to.
[16:59] <jrwren> cuz, jabba
[16:59] <greg-g> which is? ES or LS or all of it?
[16:59] <jrwren> all of it.
[16:59] <rick_h_> all good search is jabba really
[16:59] <jcastro> there is no escape
[16:59] <greg-g> yeah
[16:59] <jrwren> spews b.s. zen.ping.unicast nonsense to logs
[16:59] <greg-g> we moved all of our search to ES. All of it.
[17:00] <jrwren> honestly, I'd rather port kibana to postgresql :p
[17:00] <jcastro> jrwren, the current charm in the store works
[17:00] <jcastro> it's just not the fancy ansible-based one
[17:00] <jcastro> which is sexu
[17:01] <jrwren> imma try ES 1.2.x and LS 1.4.x
[17:01] <jrwren> i haven't looked at this since March
[17:03] <jcastro> I'll have the hadoop-es plugin in a few weeks too
[17:11] <jrwren> jcastro lubs jabba :p
[17:12] <rick_h_> heh, companies lubba lubba jabba
[17:14] <jrwren> truth
[17:15] <jrwren> companies lubba lubba existing software. The sad part is that there so so much jabba software existing :)
[17:16] <jrwren> jcastro: any reason those charms pull jars themselves instead of using packages.elasticsearch.org ?
[17:16] <rick_h_> yep
[17:16] <jrwren> yeah?
[17:16] <jcastro> I don't think packages existed at the time
[17:17] <jrwren> old school
[17:18] <jcastro> the new one does
[17:18] <jrwren> cool
[17:18] <jrwren> imma find this new one... someday
[17:20] <cmaloney> ?>
[17:37] <jcastro> jrwren, sorry, here it is http://manage.jujucharms.com/~michael.nelson/precise/elasticsearch
[17:37] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/H4QZYI - Juju Charms
[17:40] <jrwren> lp:~michael.nelson/charms/precise/elasticsearch/trunk  YAY!
[17:43] <jcastro> that's the one with a relationship/peering bug though
[17:44] <jcastro> but it will replace the charm in the store soonish
[17:45] <jrwren> the charm installs ansible?
[17:46] <jrwren> man, you have to be guru to know juju :p
[17:46] <jcastro> ansible's doing a bunch of heavy lifting already
[17:47] <jcastro> so might as well reuse it
[17:47] <jrwren> makes sense
[17:47] <mrgoodcat> .reload
[17:47] <bookiebot> reloaded 26 plugins in 0.010538 seconds
[17:47] <jcastro> same thing if it was chef or puppet
[17:47] <mrgoodcat> new feature incoming
[17:48] <jrwren> still, how much do you use ansible? should it be in juju or in ansible? is juju just built on ansible? it has a strange feeling to it.
[17:48] <jcastro> juju executes whatever you want
[17:49] <jrwren> indeed.
[17:49] <jcastro> so however you cobble it together is fine with us
[17:49] <jrwren> that is true of anything that exposes an exec call :p
[17:49] <jcastro> for a bunch of people, if they have config management systems already
[17:49] <jcastro> then they can just add juju for orchestration
[17:49] <jcastro> without throwing away years of cookbooks or whatever they have
[17:50] <jcastro> ansible is lightweight and powerful, our webops guys like it
[17:50] <jcastro> do that for machine stuff, juju for orchestration, it's a nice combo
[17:57] <cmaloney> OK, this is in the "Vim gives you superpowers" category.
-V and select a boxed area. Hit [c] and type what you want changed.
[17:58] <cmaloney> Each record in that boxed area will be changed.
[17:58] <cmaloney> Even the basics of vim can feel like magic.
[18:02] <cmaloney> What's even better is I was using Alembic which already gives you superpowers
[18:02] <cmaloney> so it's like superpower superpowers with a side of super
[18:20] <mrgoodcat> if i had a macbook... http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00686OWEU/?tag=047-20
[18:20] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/yhNPT - Amazon.com: Sub Zero Macbook Decal Mac Apple skin sticker: Everything Else
[18:23] <brousch_> mrgoodcat: Have your seen the skins for c720?
[18:23] <mrgoodcat> no are there good ones?
[18:25] <brousch_> http://www.decalgirl.com/skins/Acer-Chromebook-C720-Skins
[18:25] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/qHfCcQ - Acer Chromebook C720 Skins | DecalGirl
[18:27] <mrgoodcat> some of those look pretty cool
[18:27] <mrgoodcat> might have to try
[18:27] <mrgoodcat> except i have stickers already
[18:27] <cmaloney> Hah, I like that sub zero one
[18:27] <cmaloney> though I'd rather have Ken from Street Fighter.
[18:28] <brousch_> I bookmarked this one as a present for my son http://www.decalgirl.com/artwork/5234/Acer-Chromebook-C720-Skin-Animal-Face
[18:28] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/mm2GmC - Animal Face by The Muppets | DecalGirl
[18:28] <cmaloney> brousch_: That's awesome.
[18:29] <cmaloney> Though wish they integrated more with the chrome ball
[18:30] <mrgoodcat> i have some stickers already though
[18:30] <mrgoodcat> not sure i want them covered
[18:30] <cmaloney> Also wonder how many of these are "licensed" or are they just wallpaper rips.
[18:30] <cmaloney> I'm seeing a lot of Disney stuff on here.
[18:31] <cmaloney> They're usually pretty protective of their IP
[18:31] <mrgoodcat> i like the black ones
[18:31] <cmaloney> http://www.decalgirl.com/brands/Tron-Legacy
[18:31] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/ShjdmC - Tron | DecalGirl
[18:31] <cmaloney> my smell-test just went off.
[18:31] <jcastro> I would so get these
[18:32] <cmaloney> I need a new laptop to junk up though. :)
[18:33] <jcastro> my chromebook is becoming my favorite
[18:33] <jcastro> need to get another one to put ubuntu on
[18:34] <brousch_> jcastro: What Chromebook?
[18:34] <jcastro> acer C720
[18:37] <brousch_> 4GB?
[18:44] <mrgoodcat> i wish mine was 4
[18:45] <brousch_> wuss
[18:45] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: it has the disney copyright symbol on it. makes me think its probably licensed
[18:45] <mrgoodcat> wuss?
[18:45] <mrgoodcat> mine is 2 and seems to do alright. just wish it was upgradeable
[18:46] <mrgoodcat> i haven't run into any ram issues yet
[18:47] <brousch_> Then you're not pushing it hard enough!
[23:54] <mathomastech> So quite here today. Someone, make some noise!