[00:02] <Shock> sarnold: thanks for all the help, I learned a lot tonight. I'll check back tomorrow. good night!
[00:07] <Logan_> ari-tczew: why did you sync connman?
[00:08] <Logan_> "feel free to take" doesn't mean "feel free to indiscriminately sync"
[00:10] <ari-tczew> Logan_: that's yours own understanding, I didn't say that
[00:11] <Logan_> okay, so explain why you dropped the entire delta
[00:12] <ari-tczew> Logan_: because Debian has pulled in our changes
[00:12] <ari-tczew> Logan_: what is it? inspection?
[00:13] <ari-tczew> Logan_: I'm not spying your uploads even if they got in result FTBFS
[00:13] <Logan_> now you're accusing me of spying on you?
[00:13] <Logan_> I was the TIL for that package, and I deferred it to someone else because of the extensive changes that needed to be considered
[00:14] <Logan_> then I see that it was synced in #ubuntu-release
[00:14] <ari-tczew> Logan_: dunno, that was ~10 minutes ago
[00:14] <Logan_> so you don't remember?
[00:14] <ari-tczew> Logan_: I mean that was fresh upload
[00:15] <ari-tczew> answer "dunno" is related to your "spying" topic
[00:19] <Logan_> ari-tczew: did you consider the differences in the install files?
[00:20] <infinity> ari-tczew: Unless the Debian changelog is awfully quiet about it, there's no way this has our entire delta.
[00:20] <infinity> +    - Add upstart script.
[00:20] <infinity> +    - Add apport hook and crashdb file.
[00:20] <infinity> +    - Notify the user a reboot is required after updating connman.
[00:20] <infinity> +    - Don't disable the service if NetworkManager or wicd are installed; we use
[00:21] <infinity> +      Conflicts instead.
[00:21] <infinity> +    - Recommend indicator-network.
[00:21] <infinity> For instance...
[00:21] <infinity> Plus the manpgage changes, etc.
[00:22] <Logan_> all of those are actually in Debian, but there are things that were wiped out of the install file that probably shouldn't have
[00:22] <infinity> Logan_: Really?  Kay, the debian changelog mentions none of them, I haven't actually looked at the source.
[00:22] <Logan_> yeah, the changelog is very sparse in Debian and doesn't reflect everything
[00:25] <dobey> infinity: hi! feeling better?
[00:25] <infinity> dobey: Nope!
[00:25] <dobey> infinity: you going to be able to travel?
[00:26] <infinity> dobey: Yeah, I'll scoop myself on to the plane and medicate with vodka.
[00:26] <dobey> heh
[00:26] <Logan_> ari-tczew: if you want to keep your MOTU rights, I'd suggest that you become more cooperative and less nasty
[00:27] <infinity> Logan_: You might also want to avoid making threats. ;)
[00:27] <dobey> infinity: were you going to push the kernel from quantal-proposed out to -updates, btw?
[00:27] <infinity> (WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?)
[00:27] <infinity> dobey: Yeah, when that whole batch goes out.  Looks like it'll be Monday.
[00:27] <Logan_> infinity: fair enough
[00:28] <dobey> infinity: ah ok
[00:28] <dobey> infinity: hope you feel better tomorrow, and i'll see you in amsterdam :)
[00:28] <infinity> dobey: Do you have some particular interest in quantal, or just can't wait for LP to stop pretending it's a valid release?
[00:29] <infinity> dobey: AMS?  Oh, are we on the same flight to Malta?
[00:29] <dobey> infinity: someone came into #launchpad complaining about quantal being still "supported"
[00:30] <dobey> infinity: yeah, seems about 6 of us are on the same flight from AMS->MLA
[00:30] <infinity> dobey: Yeah, it's amazing how a simple string can annoy people so much.  I'd suggest sending them some white-out.
[00:31] <dobey> infinity: i then discovered i have enough powers to twiddle that bit to make it "obsolete" but then colin mentioned you were going to push a kernel for it
[00:31] <infinity> dobey: 6 of us?  Impressive.  I guess we'll split 2 cabs, or find a van.  And roshambo for the honor of paying/expensing.
[00:32] <dobey> heh
[00:32] <Logan_> Malta? what for?
[00:32] <infinity> dobey: SRSLY?  You have that power?
[00:32] <dobey> infinity: i guess all of ~registry does
[00:33] <infinity> How wonderfully broken.
[00:34] <infinity> Logan_: Canonical sprinty stuff.  Nowhere near as exciting and vacationy as it sounds.
[00:34] <dobey> well, i should go back to getting ready for malta
[00:34] <infinity> Logan_: I might gaze longingly at a beach from a hotel window for a few minutes.
[00:36] <ScottK> Find a manager and make them expense the cab.
[00:39] <ari-tczew> Logan_: yes, I considered. I thought just that it's OK if now connman got splitted off package connman-vpn.
[00:39] <Logan_> ari-tczew: what about the /usr/lib stuff?
[00:40] <Logan_> oh, I see, that's also in the VPN file
[00:41] <Logan_> my apologies for assuming that something went wrong :P
[00:44] <ari-tczew> Logan_: no problem. We all make mistakes.
[05:32] <mlankhorst> so i dreamed that my sru was rejected because my house leaked when i was taking a shower, the fact it was already leaking didn't convince the sru admins :/ so i had to do a new upload to fix that or something, but I woke up
[06:26]  * ScottK takes notes.
[09:00] <Shock> good morning
[09:58] <mqvist> Hi! I hope someone will be help me answer this question! I am writing a small utility that needs to control some parameters for a wireless network card. These parameters can be changed using "iw" and "iwconfig", but I thought I would rather do it directly through libiw. Unfortunately I can't find any documentation for the API. What is the best practice in this case? Is it "ok" to call iw as shell commands, or would that make my utility less
[09:58] <mqvist>  portable to other platforms? (I need to run it on several different platforms)
[09:58] <mqvist> I am writing this in c, btw
[10:09] <sladen> mqvist: fetch the source for 'iw' and 'iwconfig', and see what they do
[10:09] <sladen> mqvist: then you can do that directly
[11:53] <xnox> mlankhorst: we may need to see you every week from now on....
[12:03] <mlankhorst> lol
[20:53] <Shock> sarnold: hi. now that I generated the debdiff, what do I do with it?
[20:54] <xnox> Shock: attach it to the bug report & subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to the bug report.
[20:55] <xnox> Shock: that will trigger it to appear in the sponsorship queue, for review & upload.
[21:05] <Shock> xnox: thanks