[00:02] sarnold: thanks for all the help, I learned a lot tonight. I'll check back tomorrow. good night! [00:07] ari-tczew: why did you sync connman? [00:08] "feel free to take" doesn't mean "feel free to indiscriminately sync" [00:10] Logan_: that's yours own understanding, I didn't say that [00:11] okay, so explain why you dropped the entire delta [00:12] Logan_: because Debian has pulled in our changes [00:12] Logan_: what is it? inspection? [00:13] Logan_: I'm not spying your uploads even if they got in result FTBFS [00:13] now you're accusing me of spying on you? [00:13] I was the TIL for that package, and I deferred it to someone else because of the extensive changes that needed to be considered [00:14] then I see that it was synced in #ubuntu-release [00:14] Logan_: dunno, that was ~10 minutes ago [00:14] so you don't remember? [00:14] Logan_: I mean that was fresh upload [00:15] answer "dunno" is related to your "spying" topic [00:19] ari-tczew: did you consider the differences in the install files? [00:20] ari-tczew: Unless the Debian changelog is awfully quiet about it, there's no way this has our entire delta. [00:20] + - Add upstart script. [00:20] + - Add apport hook and crashdb file. [00:20] + - Notify the user a reboot is required after updating connman. [00:20] + - Don't disable the service if NetworkManager or wicd are installed; we use [00:21] + Conflicts instead. [00:21] + - Recommend indicator-network. [00:21] For instance... [00:21] Plus the manpgage changes, etc. [00:22] all of those are actually in Debian, but there are things that were wiped out of the install file that probably shouldn't have [00:22] Logan_: Really? Kay, the debian changelog mentions none of them, I haven't actually looked at the source. [00:22] yeah, the changelog is very sparse in Debian and doesn't reflect everything [00:25] infinity: hi! feeling better? [00:25] dobey: Nope! [00:25] infinity: you going to be able to travel? [00:26] dobey: Yeah, I'll scoop myself on to the plane and medicate with vodka. [00:26] heh [00:26] ari-tczew: if you want to keep your MOTU rights, I'd suggest that you become more cooperative and less nasty [00:27] Logan_: You might also want to avoid making threats. ;) [00:27] infinity: were you going to push the kernel from quantal-proposed out to -updates, btw? [00:27] (WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?) [00:27] dobey: Yeah, when that whole batch goes out. Looks like it'll be Monday. [00:27] infinity: fair enough [00:28] infinity: ah ok [00:28] infinity: hope you feel better tomorrow, and i'll see you in amsterdam :) [00:28] dobey: Do you have some particular interest in quantal, or just can't wait for LP to stop pretending it's a valid release? [00:29] dobey: AMS? Oh, are we on the same flight to Malta? [00:29] infinity: someone came into #launchpad complaining about quantal being still "supported" [00:30] infinity: yeah, seems about 6 of us are on the same flight from AMS->MLA [00:30] dobey: Yeah, it's amazing how a simple string can annoy people so much. I'd suggest sending them some white-out. [00:31] infinity: i then discovered i have enough powers to twiddle that bit to make it "obsolete" but then colin mentioned you were going to push a kernel for it [00:31] dobey: 6 of us? Impressive. I guess we'll split 2 cabs, or find a van. And roshambo for the honor of paying/expensing. [00:32] heh [00:32] Malta? what for? [00:32] dobey: SRSLY? You have that power? [00:32] infinity: i guess all of ~registry does [00:33] How wonderfully broken. [00:34] Logan_: Canonical sprinty stuff. Nowhere near as exciting and vacationy as it sounds. [00:34] well, i should go back to getting ready for malta [00:34] Logan_: I might gaze longingly at a beach from a hotel window for a few minutes. [00:36] Find a manager and make them expense the cab. [00:39] Logan_: yes, I considered. I thought just that it's OK if now connman got splitted off package connman-vpn. [00:39] ari-tczew: what about the /usr/lib stuff? [00:40] oh, I see, that's also in the VPN file [00:41] my apologies for assuming that something went wrong :P [00:44] Logan_: no problem. We all make mistakes. === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [05:32] so i dreamed that my sru was rejected because my house leaked when i was taking a shower, the fact it was already leaking didn't convince the sru admins :/ so i had to do a new upload to fix that or something, but I woke up === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [06:26] * ScottK takes notes. [09:00] good morning [09:58] Hi! I hope someone will be help me answer this question! I am writing a small utility that needs to control some parameters for a wireless network card. These parameters can be changed using "iw" and "iwconfig", but I thought I would rather do it directly through libiw. Unfortunately I can't find any documentation for the API. What is the best practice in this case? Is it "ok" to call iw as shell commands, or would that make my utility less [09:58] portable to other platforms? (I need to run it on several different platforms) [09:58] I am writing this in c, btw [10:09] mqvist: fetch the source for 'iw' and 'iwconfig', and see what they do [10:09] mqvist: then you can do that directly [11:53] mlankhorst: we may need to see you every week from now on.... [12:03] lol === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === inaddy is now known as tinoco === naivka is now known as lisca === vibhav is now known as Guest65108 [20:53] sarnold: hi. now that I generated the debdiff, what do I do with it? [20:54] Shock: attach it to the bug report & subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to the bug report. [20:55] Shock: that will trigger it to appear in the sponsorship queue, for review & upload. [21:05] xnox: thanks