[04:26] <alfonsojon> Hi, I'm installing on Mako using the utopic branch
[04:26] <alfonsojon> What should my expectations be? I'm aware some things may not work optimally, but I want to know if the phone will be usable
[04:38] <cantstanya> lol alfonsojon asking for information while talking smack on #Cyanogenmod
[04:38]  * cantstanya laughs
[04:41] <alfonsojon> Alright, I flashed following the instructions
[04:41] <alfonsojon> It goes into recovery, sits there for a while, then reboots to a spinning Ubuntu logo
[04:41] <alfonsojon> Once it's there, it reboots and goes back to Android
[04:41] <alfonsojon> (after sitting at the spinning Ubuntu logo for around ten minutes or so)
[04:44] <pngo> alfonsojonL try this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes
 worked for me
[04:46] <alfonsojon> I got it to work through a manual flash
[04:48] <pngo> OK. I have not used utopic branch so I can not help you with that, but 'normal' branch works for me
[04:50] <alfonsojon> Utopic is buttery smooth and looking sexy.
[04:50] <alfonsojon> Compared to the "1.0" release
[04:58] <cantstanya> dobey: I haven't seen that many cool chats since asking ;(
[05:27] <pngo> sorry, I did not realized that 14.10 is utopic. anyway I'm on 14.10(r44) and works fine. it is my daily phone.
 what is your problem? not everyone is so advanced as you?
[05:32] <cantstanya> huh?
[05:33] <cantstanya> pngo: I just wanted to know if cool chats were happening
[05:33] <cantstanya> that's all
[05:34] <pngo> something like:  lol alfonsojon asking for information while talking smack on #Cyanogenmod
[05:34] <pngo> * cantstanya laughs
[05:34] <pngo> seems to me that area nor cool
[05:34] <cantstanya> oh he was talking foul things, but that's in the past.
[05:35] <cantstanya> best to not dwell in the past, and only look towards the future
[05:35] <cantstanya> d;^]
[05:35] <pngo> I read this and does not look good to me.
[05:35] <cantstanya> okay
[05:35] <cantstanya> good night
[05:35] <pngo> good night
[05:38] <alfonsojon> For some reason, no third-party apps want to work for me on Ubuntu Touch trusty
[05:38] <alfonsojon> especially an emulator
[05:42] <prommie> has anyone installed ubuntu on a karbonn st8 velox tablet
[05:43] <prommie> can't get it to reboot to bootloader mode. Only recovery
[08:35] <ferdinand52> кто по русски говорит?
[08:39] <popey> !ru | ferdinand52
[11:03] <mike321> hello i am running ubuntu tocuh on asus google nexus 7 2013 wifi, but where do I set accounts to the tablet ? not the assigned accounts liek google, i mean the login to tablet account ?
[11:07] <mike321> and why  can t i install a regular deb on ubuntu touch ?
[11:15] <ogra_> mike321, ubuntu touch uses a hardcoded user, there is no multi user support yet
[11:17] <ogra_> you can install debs but you lose the ability to do any kind of upgrades .... by default ubuntu touch follows an image based approach which turns the upgrade process into something that only takes a few minutes ofr the full system ... to provide these image upgrade diffs these images need to be readonly
[11:18] <ogra_> you can make an image readwrite to install a single deb (or a few more) but the images are limited in size and dpkg uses had links for package upgrades. hard links dont work on top of images that scatter across multiple partitions
[11:18] <ogra_> s/had/hard/
[11:24] <mike321> thanks ogra, thought every presentation of ubuntu tells me, that i can have a login and guest modus on the tablet to show it around, and of course i like, when i just press update and the new versio  14.10 will be on it. you tell me, i can install a .deb but then the upgrade as oneclick will be lost ?
[11:24] <mike321> is anyone able and willing to compile an qt app for ubuntu toch ? the app is ready and we would love to have touch support and see it on the default delivery. can anyone help ?
[11:25] <ogra_> you just need to build it as a click package ..... see developer.ubuntu.com ... there is also a QtCreator based IDE that provides everything you need (the Ubuntu SDK)
[11:26] <ogra_> multiuser is planned but not yet ready ... the current focus is on getting the announced phones ready (and they wont have multiuser in the beginning)
[11:27] <ogra_> there is some "fake multiuser" login setup on the nexus10 currently ... but thats only the UI atm
[11:30] <mike321> ok thanks for the information, i think i will buy additionally then an official distributed tablet to see how that will work with logins for the app compile: Yes i can try, but it is very hard for me. the app compiels easily with one click in qt. can you do that ? to make the touch installer and add it to the ubuntu repository ?
[11:32] <ogra_> you need to create a click package from the binary and submit it to the click store
[11:32] <mike321> i have never done that
[11:32] <ogra_> it is described on developer.ubuntu.com
[11:32] <mike321> do you have done that ?
[11:32] <ogra_> yes, but only with webapps, never with QMl or Qt ones
[11:33] <mike321> i an searching for the most efficient way, not the way itself. and if you have done that, already, you are more efficient than me, and I even dont know any persons who then can grant the app.
[11:33] <mike321> we have only qt
[11:33] <mike321> and do you have one day to create this ? we would donate some small gift even to you in the end
[11:33] <ogra_> it is an automated process ... (and the test tools the store used are shipped in the SDK)
[11:34] <ogra_> no
[11:34] <mike321> why not ?
[11:34]  * ogra_ is seriously busy working on the system 
[11:34] <ogra_> and i have never used the SDK (i create my webapp clicks by hand, that wouldnt help you)
[11:34] <mike321> well apps are system too, and can we chat about it in a private talk ? you will see then why this is important for the system, are oyu an ubuntu paid developer ?
[11:35] <ogra_> try asking in #ubuntu-app-devel ... probably you can find someone wanting to do that there
[11:35] <mike321> yah we found one for deb
[11:35] <mike321> now it is a specialized task for touch onclick
[11:35] <ogra_> i work for canonical, yes (and am half way out the door to catch a flight to the ubuntu touch development sprint)
[11:35] <mike321> how many minutes ?
[11:36] <mike321> cany ou give me youe emaila ddres s?
[11:36] <mike321> plz
[11:36] <mike321> I will write you
[11:36] <ogra_> if yuo use the ubuntu SDK it should be a single click action to create a click
[11:36] <mike321> with a click itis not in the system right ?
[11:36] <mike321> you can run the compiles wihile you fly  :-)
[11:36] <ogra_> it will be in the store (what you currently see as "available apps" in the "apps" page on your tablet)
[11:37] <mike321> really?
[11:37] <mike321> no appriovals ?
[11:37] <ogra_> i have to run other compiled while i fly ;)
[11:37] <mike321> qc ?
[11:37] <mike321> your email ?
[11:37] <ogra_> there is automated checking
[11:37] <ogra_> and a final signoff from a human
[11:37] <mike321> sounds good and costs me 3 weeks
[11:37] <mike321> who is the final signoff ?
[11:38] <mike321> ok then we give it s a try, but please give me your email to ask for further help later
[11:38] <ogra_> a team of people ... as i said, you can find them in #ubuntu-app-devel (as well as other developers of apps)
[11:38] <ogra_> but i wont have the time to deal with you much ...
[11:38] <mike321> your view is devided in system and apps, this is wrong,
[11:38] <mike321> it will be fun !
[11:39] <mike321> and you already do :-P
[11:39] <ogra_> ogra@ubuntu.com ... but dont expect answers soon ... i'm about 2500 unread mails behind ...
[11:39] <mike321> really.
[11:39] <mike321> shoudl I mark it with a flag  :-)
[11:39] <mike321> thnaks tough
[11:39] <mike321> though
[11:39] <ogra_> seriously, the app developers are more likely to be able to help you with that
[11:40]  * ogra_ works on the low level of the system ...
[11:40] <mike321> i read this three times and understood at the zero pint of telling me
[11:40] <ogra_> oh, and there is also a mailing list ... probably even better to find someone
[11:41] <mike321> i am not moving.
[11:41] <ogra_> join that launchpad team https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone ... then at the bottom left there is a subscribe button for the mailing list
[11:41] <mike321> i dont want a mailinglist
[11:41] <mike321> i want a personal contact.
[11:41] <ogra_> well, you want someone to package your app
[11:41] <mike321> that would be a result, but for you it would be learning as well
[11:41] <mike321> and a cool benefit
[11:42] <mike321> i am more looking for an expert and the process, rather than the result
[11:42] <ogra_> right, tell me where i can suqeeze in another hour in a 6day/14h week that i work already to get the phones we will sell on a few months ready :P
[11:42] <ogra_> s/on/in/
[11:42] <ogra_> i'm really not the right person for your issue
[11:42] <mike321> well, our app is the whatsapp killer :-P
[11:43] <mike321> you will need it
[11:43] <ogra_> so talk to the guys in #ubuntu-app-devel ... there are the guys maintaining the store and app selections etc
[11:43] <mike321> ok wil check additionally
[11:44] <mike321> where is the event ?
[11:44] <ogra_> (and everyone is traveling this weekend ... there was an app developer sprint lastr week at the place where i will fly to now)
[11:44] <mike321> the sprint
[11:44] <ogra_> malta
[11:44] <mike321> oh cool
[11:44] <mike321> and you are one week too late ?
[11:44] <ogra_> no
[11:45] <mike321> why do you fly to there not one week earlier ?
[11:45] <ogra_> app development, toolkit, QA and design were there last week
[11:45] <ogra_> system development, plumbing etc is next week
[11:45] <ogra_> you are more likely to find someone here (or in the other channel) during the work-week
[11:45] <mike321> the interesting question is, if you can see an app as a basis for a system
[11:46] <mike321> android grow with free mp3 download from russion servers vkontakte.
[11:46] <ogra_> sure, it is just not in my area of work
[11:46] <mike321> they gave the sugar to the users
[11:46] <ogra_> we have other teams for that
[11:47] <mike321> yah makes sense
[11:47] <mike321> ok i will ask the channel and come back to you
[11:47] <ogra_> if you have issues with upstart, the boot process, image plumbing developer mode on commandline, adb connection or any daemon running on the system, i'm your man
[11:48] <ogra_> my job usually stops where the UI starts
[11:48] <mike321> i see
[11:49] <mike321> yes this job is only gui and compiling. but good to know. interested in a cool kernel software ?
[11:49] <mike321> every gui needs a kernel
[11:50] <mike321> the interestign thing is, that a kernel software could be part of ubuntu
[11:50] <mike321> of the system
[11:50] <mike321> because the kernel would create a new p2p environment
[11:50] <mike321> this could be a core feature of ubuntu
[11:51] <mike321> well I will mail you but then you have to look on your own and will not do due to time restrictions
[11:52] <mike321> so maybe we chat one time more later
[11:52] <mike321> have first a good filght then, any messenger you currently use ?
[11:54] <mike321> hey, deamon ! can we talk about adding a deamon to ubuntu system ? default ?
[11:54] <mike321> :-)
[11:54] <mike321> k then
[11:54] <mike321> will write you
[11:56] <mike321> it must have been a nightmare to address the guardian slides..
[11:56] <mike321> as everyone acts like this..
[11:57] <ogra_> we have to use the andriid kernel source (with a lot of patches and our own config)
[11:57] <ogra_> *android
[11:58] <ogra_> but anyway ... i have to catch a plane (and go voting first)
[11:58] <mike321> ok
[11:58] <mike321> europe?
[11:58] <mike321> where are you from ?
[11:58] <mike321> I did already
[11:58] <ogra_> try to catch mhall119 for the app questions
[11:58] <ogra_> germany
[11:58] <mike321> achsoo
[11:58] <ogra_> :)
[11:59] <mike321> he is an actor
[11:59] <mike321> :-)
[12:00] <ogra_> heh
[12:01] <mike321>  M C. H.
[12:01] <mike321> why does ubuntu use android source ?`??
[12:01] <mike321> though ubuntu uses linux
[12:01] <mike321> and not android linux kernel
[12:01] <mike321> will apk run on ubuntu soon ?
[12:01] <mike321> like in sailfish ?
[12:01] <mike321> I have a salifils mobile too
[12:02] <ogra_> not planned yet
[12:02] <mike321> please dont vote for the pirtate party in germany
[12:02] <mike321> lol
[12:02] <mike321> ok
[12:02] <mike321> sailfish has much more potentials with whatapp running on it
[12:02] <ogra_> (someone could surely provide a click that includes dalvik though)
[12:02] <mike321> ununtu is missing apk vms
[12:02] <mike321> what is dalvik?
[12:03] <ogra_> well, we first need a phone system your mom can use
[12:03] <ogra_> then we can start thinking about extending ;)
[12:03] <mike321> ok, good approach
[12:03] <ogra_> what sailfish does costs a lot of money ...
[12:03] <ogra_> they use aliendalvik ... thats run by a company ... you have to license it etc
[12:04] <mike321> without apps.. the asus was quite disappointing, i needed to look for all the apps which are there  45, or so. mostly websites. we need to have all the apps shown not shown collapsed..
[12:04] <mike321> ah ok
[12:04] <ogra_> first we will bring out the announced meizu and bq phones in the second half of the year ... for early adopters ... mom-able phones will still take a while
[12:04] <mike321> good to talk to you, stretegic issues are important and I have good ideas for that..
[12:05] <mike321> one last point, it is important to update the system with one click
[12:05] <mike321> I liek the sailfish update button and all is new
[12:05] <mike321> that is how Ubuntu mobiel MUST work too
[12:06] <mike321> but i see it is that way, so update and 15.10 will be there soon if I understand right
[12:06] <ogra_> it does already
[12:06] <mike321> good then
[12:06] <ogra_> 14.10 first ;)
[12:06] <mike321> why mike ? is is specialized in messengers ?
[12:06] <mike321> yes I know
[12:06] <ogra_> you mean mhall119 ?
[12:06] <ogra_> he is working on integrating apps etc
[12:07] <mike321> good then
[12:07] <mike321> i pinged him
[12:07] <mike321> seems to be generation x and not y, as he is not on his phone currently
[12:07] <ogra_> yeah, he might not be around before tomorrow though
[12:07] <mike321> :-P
[12:07] <mike321> urgh
[12:07] <mike321> good that I have one week free next week so I can try again
[12:07] <ogra_> as i said, everyone is travelling this weekend
[12:07] <mike321> hey LH has wifi
[12:07] <mike321> so has UA
[12:08] <ogra_> i doubt air mlata does
[12:08] <mike321> you fly airberlin ?
[12:08] <ogra_> *malta
[12:08] <mike321> ja ja mobile lata... later :-P
[12:08] <mike321> m..alta.
[12:08] <ogra_> :)
[12:09] <mike321> ok then, ever dealed with encryption?
[12:09] <ogra_> a little ... but not as a developer only as consumer or maintainer
[12:10] <mike321> thats enought o understand the basics.
[12:10] <ogra_> well, enough to be dangerous for sure
[12:10] <mike321> dangerous?
[12:11] <ogra_> due to half breeded knowledge ;)
[12:11] <mike321> i see
[12:11] <ogra_> i usually ask "jemanden der sich damit auskennt" ;)
[12:11] <mike321> no. i see it different, of course implementation must be well
[12:11] <mike321> also eisenkarl.
[12:11] <ogra_> jenau
[12:12] <mike321> and who in person would that be? you have a special friend for that ?
[12:12] <ogra_> the ubuntu security team usually
[12:12] <ogra_> at least if it is for more than personal use
[12:14] <mike321> ok. have a good flight, I ask Mike C Hall for the stage.
[12:14] <ogra_> great ... good luck
[12:18] <mike321> well take care
[12:20] <mike321> i just got the info that a know person died on bladder cancer last night, he got a neo bladder and this caused pains.. 5 months in hospital and never recovered, life can be cutted quickly. take care and bring out what you want to do. make the main points..
[14:40] <AskUbuntu> recuperate USABLE space NEXUS 5 | http://askubuntu.com/q/471931
[14:44] <n4uah> helo any one here?
[15:09] <saidinesh5> hey folks.... i seem to be having a tough time getting maliit to compile on my machine.....
[15:10] <saidinesh5> maliit framework seems to be installing the maliit-defines.prf to usr/share/qt/ ...
[15:10] <saidinesh5> while maliit plugins seems to be looking for it in /usr/lib/ .....
[15:10] <saidinesh5> any clue?
[15:13] <n4uah> Is anyone here...??
[15:32] <sunbird> i don't suppose it is possible to install crypted ubuntu on nexus7?
[15:39] <pngo> nexus4, ubuntu14.10(r44), updated 2014-05-22; terminal is not working at all. I get only black screen.
[15:42] <rastkok> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/+bug/1322527
[15:43] <tiiongtsu> Hi
[15:43] <tiiongtsu> ubuntu/libhybris/compat/media/surface_texture_client_hybris.cpp:36:40: fatal error: gui/IGraphicBufferProducer.h: No such file or directory
[16:25] <pngo> and know I can not ssh to phone as well. I get Permission denied (publickey).
[16:25] <pngo> and now....
[16:37] <daker> pngo: open the toolbar, then tape on settings
[16:38] <daker> change the font size
[16:38] <daker> like increment the value with +1
[16:38] <daker> then go back, it should work
[17:22] <xplt> Has x86 emulator been released?
[17:29] <popey> xplt: it works, yes.
[17:30] <xplt> http://askubuntu.com/q/387884/241823 Oh... popey, thanks :)
[17:31] <popey> that information is outdated
[17:32] <xplt> Where should I start reading then?
[17:34] <xplt> If I'm trying to execute a command from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Emulator it complains about unknown flag "arch"
[17:35] <popey> xplt: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[17:35] <xplt> 13.04
[17:36] <popey> Well, I'd recommend you upgrade to 14.04 first ☻
[17:36] <xplt> Err
[17:36] <xplt> no-no 14.04
[17:37] <popey> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg08059.html
[17:37]  * popey updates his image to test it
[18:01] <xplt> popey: Thank you very much
[18:08] <xplt> So much faster than arm emulator, great! :D
[18:22] <slvn__> Hello ! I am building a C++ native application (using MIR ang SDL2) for UbuntuTouch (ARM).
[18:22] <slvn__> When I run the application from the shell it is fullscreen, as expected
[18:22] <slvn__> When it is run from upstart (installed as a click package, with a .desktop),
[18:22] <slvn__> it is shifted, and displayed under the top-status-bar (appmenu ?)
[18:22] <slvn__> How can I disable this status bar?
[18:22] <slvn__> or how to know the "height" of this status bar?
[18:45] <pngo> I can not access phone via ssh.  I get: Permission denied (publickey). is there a bug?
[18:46] <pngo> I have no problem to access my other computers.
[18:47] <pngo> and ssh works from phone to computer.
[19:06] <cantstanya> Is init on touch from android's platform_system_core or whatnot?
[19:07] <Tassadar> no
[19:07] <Tassadar> well, the one in android container is, but the real one is not
[19:09] <cantstanya> what init is used on touch?
[19:09] <cantstanya> upstart?
[19:10] <Tassadar> yeah, I don't think the systemd transition happened yet
[19:10] <cantstanya> something else? and in any case, is there a possibility systemd will be adopted on touch as well?
[19:10] <cantstanya> oh
[19:10] <cantstanya> answers my last question I guess
[19:10] <Tassadar> it's the same as ubuntu on desktop
[19:10] <Tassadar> it is the same system, really
[19:10] <popey> We'll move to systemd at some point
[19:11] <cantstanya> I thought touch was using a similar base as Android (mksh, their init, etc), I guess I was mistaken.
[19:17] <cantstanya> is there a page with a time line of what was used? When surfaceflinger was still used, a similar base as Android's was also use I assume, but when the switch to Mir happened, was there ever a time Mir was used on top of the base Android uses?
[19:18] <Tassadar> the flip happend before mir, I think
[19:18] <Tassadar> so there was a not-anroid base with surfaceflinger for a while
[19:18] <cantstanya> oh okay
[19:18] <Tassadar> originally, it was android with ubuntu in a container
[19:18] <Tassadar> now it is ubuntu with android in a container
[19:18] <Tassadar> (and it has been the for a while, since before 13.10)
[19:19] <Tassadar> *that
[19:19] <cantstanya> was it trivial to switch from android's base to what's used now (upstart, what I presume is GNU coreutils, dash/bash, etc)
[19:20] <Tassadar> um...no I guess?)
[19:20] <cantstanya> alright
[19:25] <cantstanya> Am I right in saying: developing GUI programs on touch is basically QML for GUI declarations, and C/C++/JS for logic right?
[19:26] <Tassadar> I think so (I never developed anything for ubuntu touch though)
[19:41] <slvn__> cantstanya, you can use use graphics libraries to develop only in C / C++, like SDL
[19:57] <cantstanya> Ideally I'd like to refrain from using either of those actually
[19:59] <popey> cantstanya: yes, we recommend QML or HTML5 for the UI
[19:59] <popey> cantstanya: but yes, others are corrrect, you can use C/C++/Go
[20:25]  * penguin42 has a 2nd hand Nook HD that he's just put CM on and is gently wondering about trying u-t on it, is it possible to run it in a chroot since it's based on the cm kernel?
[22:10] <AskUbuntu> "Device herring not found on server" when installing Ubuntu Touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/472096