OvenWerks | ochosi, brainwash: With regard to the two sessions xubuntu/xfce, I personally think this is a DE package problem with all the DEs. The DE meta should include a -settings package that a flavour could ommit. A flavour would supply it's own -settings package. I do not know which xfce package installs the xfce.desktop file for the session, but if it is a lite enough package it could be replaced with the xubuntu-settings package. | 00:21 |
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OvenWerks | maybe that dumb.. feel free to tell me so :) | 00:22 |
OvenWerks | First problem is that xfce4-settings is not the package that adds the session. | 00:27 |
OvenWerks | xfce4-session does that. This makes enough sense that I hesitate to suggest it be moved to xfce4-settings. | 00:45 |
gry | would someone please only ship this distro with themes that support both gtk2 and gtk3? evince looks ugly with over a half of the themes | 03:40 |
Unit193 | gry: Very few themes should be shipped by default already, and all should support both. | 03:51 |
Unit193 | Can you name one of the themes that doesn't? | 03:52 |
gry | Unit193: it did not nuke the extra ones during the upgrade then. 'Oxydgen' theme is in the list and it doesn't. | 05:58 |
Unit193 | Not sure where that one comes from, but sounds like the KDE one. | 06:03 |
gry | Unit193: "dpkg -S /usr/share/themes/Xfce-redmondxp" -- "gtk2-engines-xfce: /usr/share/themes/Xfce-redmondxp". This one does not have gtk3 support either, or whatever else prevents it from theming evince properly. | 06:06 |
Unit193 | Yes, that'd be GTK3 since evince is a GTK3 application. | 06:07 |
gry | so... it's shipped but it does not support gtk 3 ? | 06:36 |
bluesabre | gry: the themes that are shipped fully support gtk3: Albatross, Bluebird, Greybird, Numix, and Orion | 07:01 |
bluesabre | themes that are included in the xfce packages may not support gtk3 as upstream xfce is still not gtk3 | 07:01 |
bluesabre | but the only themes we ship are in the package "shimmer-themes" | 07:02 |
gry | can I like remove gtk2-engines-xfce package then? it's odd, I didn't install it manually | 07:03 |
bluesabre | yes, that should be fine. it will warn you if there are any packages that will also be removed | 07:04 |
gry | I removed gtk2-engines-xfce but it didn't remove that theme. Odd - package problem? | 07:07 |
bluesabre | hard to say | 07:07 |
bluesabre | ok, I need to go to bed | 07:09 |
bluesabre | be back tomorrow, night all | 07:09 |
Unit193 | bluesabre: Good night! | 07:26 |
elfy | Unit193: is -core in a test worthy state? | 07:35 |
Unit193 | I'd say so. | 07:35 |
Unit193 | The more review the happier I am though. | 07:35 |
elfy | ok - so we'll sort out a call soon for that | 07:36 |
Unit193 | Right, I'm going to have to figure out a way *to* test it... | 07:38 |
elfy | Unit193: when I booted the utopic yesterday - installed the base system, but -core was not in the list to install? | 07:38 |
Unit193 | You'd have to add my repo, and tasks won't be there yet. | 07:39 |
elfy | ok | 07:39 |
elfy | so when we're at that state we'll be closer to getting people to test it I'd say | 07:40 |
Unit193 | I need someone to merge it in, then, also maybe upload. So, vote on it before testing happens? :D | 07:41 |
elfy | :) | 07:41 |
elfy | ochosi: just so you know - I have tested the xfpm business with the power buttons on whiskermenu and on the panel action button plugin | 07:42 |
ochosi | morning everyone | 08:16 |
ochosi | elfy: so for you it all works? | 08:18 |
ochosi | well i personally think there might be a few other quirks, maybe even a few more bugs in xfpm | 08:19 |
ochosi | after all, xfpm has been unmaintained for 2yrs or so | 08:19 |
ochosi | so i'm not too concerned about all those other things that ppl sneak into their test-feedback | 08:20 |
knome | bluesabre, ochosi: trello api? maybe, but what's the point of using trello if we need to modify it to our will ;) | 08:23 |
ochosi | the point is it's already better than lp in some respects | 08:24 |
knome | furthermore, i'd first have to learn trello more to understand all the terms | 08:24 |
knome | but sure... i guess i can have a look at that | 08:24 |
ochosi | well, "learn trello"... :) it's really not all that complex | 08:24 |
ochosi | anyway, for the moment we're also fine as is | 08:24 |
knome | well i don't mean "learn trello", i mean actually understanding the technical terms in their api docs and how they are supposed to work | 08:25 |
knome | if we use the trello api, where are we pulling that stuff? | 08:26 |
elfy | ochosi: yea - all that works as expected for me | 08:29 |
ochosi | knome: not sure what the plan there would be | 08:29 |
ochosi | the most interesting aspect would be support for updating bug-status from launchpa | 08:30 |
ochosi | d | 08:30 |
knome | right... | 08:30 |
ochosi | but that needs server-power or something | 08:30 |
knome | that sounds like maintaining work ;) | 08:30 |
ochosi | so writing bug-status to trello cards | 08:30 |
knome | it would also need the trello cards to be using a very simple and strict markup to keep the script small | 08:30 |
ochosi | well i guess the bugs would just have the LP link in the title/description | 08:31 |
ochosi | and the bugstatus could also be part of the description | 08:31 |
ochosi | so it's easy enough to change it with a script | 08:31 |
ochosi | then ppl can still use comments etc in the trello card and assign it to somebody etc | 08:31 |
knome | the issue i see here | 08:32 |
elfy | trouble with that as it stands - a link in a comment is clickable - a link in a card title is not | 08:32 |
knome | is that i think we'd have to cron LP to probe for the bug changes | 08:32 |
knome | or set up something else that gets notifications form LP | 08:32 |
knome | *from | 08:32 |
knome | i don't know if they offer an API for output | 08:32 |
knome | discuss it, write a spec what you'd like to do, and then i'll look at it :) | 08:37 |
ochosi | elfy: yeah, but i guess that's solveable somehow | 08:40 |
ochosi | e.g. paste the LP link again in the first comment | 08:40 |
ochosi | we should discuss that with the kubuntu folks too, if they also use trello such a lot | 08:40 |
elfy | I'm still not sure that this isn't trying to use a tool to do something that we've already got a suitable tool for tbh | 08:44 |
ochosi | yeah, it's about having everything in one place, not about not having a suitable tool | 08:45 |
elfy | mmm | 08:46 |
ochosi | brainwash: say, just so that i know, are you looking into the xdg-screensaver issue? | 08:58 |
ochosi | Noskcaj_: so you'll be around more regularly again now? | 09:08 |
Noskcaj_ | ochosi, yep | 09:08 |
Noskcaj_ | going to be a few day till i'm all set up though | 09:08 |
ochosi | cool | 09:09 |
ochosi | wb | 09:09 |
Noskcaj_ | thaks | 09:10 |
Noskcaj_ | *thanks | 09:10 |
ochosi | elfy: say, does utopic already have gtk3.12? | 09:15 |
Unit193 | !info libgtk-3-0 utopic | 09:17 |
ubottu | libgtk-3-0 (source: gtk+3.0): GTK+ graphical user interface library. In component main, is optional. Version 3.10.8-0ubuntu2 (utopic), package size 1884 kB, installed size 6753 kB | 09:17 |
ochosi | well done :) | 09:19 |
ochosi | i'll try to remember that syntax then | 09:19 |
elfy | wut | 09:21 |
ochosi | elfy: i put down some notes in -features wrt gtk3.12 that might also be of interest to you | 09:22 |
ochosi | it's just something we should monitor | 09:22 |
ochosi | and maybe ask the ubuntu-desktop guys when they plan on landing 3.12 | 09:23 |
elfy | ta | 09:23 |
ochosi | i'm not sure what they're gonna do with respect to those gnome "technologies" like headerbar and menus | 09:23 |
ochosi | they patched it all out in 14.04, would be important for us to know what the plan is in 14.10 | 09:24 |
elfy | yea | 09:24 |
elfy | I watch the m/l's for them I'm sure | 09:25 |
brainwash | ochosi: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=745340 | 09:52 |
ubottu | Debian bug 745340 in xdg-utils "/usr/bin/xdg-screensaver: "xdg-screensaver reset" does not reset DPMS timeout" [Important,Open] | 09:52 |
brainwash | I still don't have access to my test system with xubuntu trusty right now | 09:52 |
brainwash | so I did not do any experiments | 09:53 |
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ochosi | brainwash: right, maybe link that bug-report to ours | 10:26 |
* ochosi takes off towards a BBQ | 10:26 | |
ochosi | will be back later today/tonight | 10:26 |
elfy | bring back something nice for us :) | 10:43 |
knome | ochosi, did you know about harvest.ubuntu.com? | 10:56 |
knome | Mirv mentioned it before when we met, and now ubuntu women are working to improve it | 10:56 |
Unit193 | knome: Yeah, but ignore it now since it's not as useful. | 16:32 |
pleia2 | good day, my xfce loving friends | 16:43 |
elfy | hi pleia2 | 16:44 |
pleia2 | saw trellobot mentioned, if we need to run one I'm happy to give a shell account for it | 17:20 |
pleia2 | which reminds me, I need to reboot that VM soon so we can get our ram upgrade (hooray) | 17:21 |
* pleia2 adds planning that to todo list | 17:21 | |
elfy | which is where we differ - I'd be planning to add that to the list | 17:22 |
pleia2 | hehe | 17:22 |
elfy | and then get all Mediterranean about it :) | 17:22 |
pleia2 | planning is a thing, I need to define a maintenance window, inform all users.. | 17:22 |
pleia2 | :) | 17:22 |
elfy | consider this one informed :p | 17:23 |
Unit193 | pleia2: I have it running now, deps are ruby+some gems if you're interested (it uses the cinch framework.) | 17:34 |
pleia2 | Unit193: well, do you need a server spot to host it on, or are you ok with running it? | 17:36 |
pleia2 | don't want to take it away from you if your server works :) just offering | 17:36 |
Unit193 | pleia2: I think I'm good, unless someone else thinks otherwise. Thanks though! | 18:03 |
MIke11123 | Howdy, I'm am having a problem getting some services started. Initctl is giving me an error that com.ubuntu.Upstart doesn't exist | 18:23 |
ochosi | knome: no, never heard of harvest | 21:09 |
ochosi | Unit193: wanna package up this plugin in a PPA? https://github.com/andrzej-r/xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin | 21:10 |
ochosi | for this kind of stuff and xfdashboard we really should get some sort of extras PPA | 21:11 |
Unit193 | I have one. :P | 21:11 |
elfy | so that'll be 3 then ochosi :) | 21:12 |
ochosi | yeah, that'd make 3 | 21:12 |
ochosi | initially i hadn't thought of making a distinction between the dev-ppa and -staging | 21:12 |
ochosi | but the distinction between dev and extras/apps was always thought of | 21:13 |
elfy | yep | 21:13 |
elfy | certainly makes sense | 21:13 |
ochosi | not sure how many apps we'll really accumulate there | 21:13 |
ochosi | but who knows, it might not hurt to have the opportunity | 21:13 |
elfy | doesn't matter much I guess - just not having loads from different people will help :) | 21:14 |
Unit193 | At this point, it's just updating xfdashboard which is easy enough, if it doesn't involve Ubuntu. :P | 21:14 |
Unit193 | ochosi: See -> #xfce-dev | 21:14 |
ochosi | brb | 21:15 |
ochosi | re | 21:49 |
ochosi | Unit193: yeah, i read the backlog | 21:50 |
ochosi | i'm not very surprised xfdashboard won't make it into debian | 21:50 |
Unit193 | Mhmm, as I said, figured may as well ask. | 21:50 |
ochosi | yeah, absolutely | 21:50 |
ochosi | better to know for sure | 21:50 |
Unit193 | Actually easy to talk to that time. https://bitbucket.com/unit193/xfdashboard/ | 21:51 |
ochosi | knome: was there a specific reason you asked about harvest? are you proposing it for xubuntu in some way? | 21:51 |
knome | well, i thought it might be a useful tool for figuring out possible pledges | 21:51 |
ochosi | right | 21:52 |
ochosi | well, from my pov, i wouldn't personally even get involved in pledges | 21:52 |
knome | sure | 21:52 |
ochosi | as long as -team doesn't have funds | 21:52 |
ochosi | or a way of receiving funds | 21:52 |
knome | and i guess it's generally a nice thing | 21:52 |
knome | if you want to find bugs | 21:52 |
ochosi | crap, nobody ever noticed that indicator-power looks like crap with the normal elementary-xfce icons? (i.e. not elementary-xfce-dark/er) | 22:35 |
ochosi | ->double-crap | 22:35 |
* ochosi switches back to elementary-xfce-darker quickly and forgets what he has seen | 22:36 |
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