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pixieduststrange problem suddenly repository relating to ffmpeg and libav-tools and avconv seem broken.04:51
pixiedusttried to fix and the kubuntu desktop is now itself broken. what the best way to resolve this?04:52
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valorie!info alsamixer06:40
ubottuPackage alsamixer does not exist in trusty06:40
valorieWHY?06:41
valoriegrrrr06:41
Unit193valorie: alsa-utils: /usr/bin/alsamixer06:42
valoriethanks, Unit19306:44
valorieI'm trying to get both hangouts and my usb headset working simultaneously06:44
valorieso far, no luck06:45
valorieUnit193: paste.kde.org/pkuortijx06:48
valoriedoesn't work in krunner either06:49
Unit193valorie: alsa-utils is the package, /usr/bin/alsamixer is the binary.  Tried pavucontrol (if using pulse)?06:50
valorieyes, I've been googling for a half hour06:50
valorieall I could get to start alsa-wise, was the alphamixergui which is a steaming pile06:51
valoriealsa-utils is installed but I can't seem to get it to start06:52
valorieI'm about to make an executive decision that the meeting has to take place in irc06:53
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valorieUnit193: got the headphones working, at least07:17
valorieswitched to the phonon-backend-vlc07:17
Unit193Well that's one thing.07:18
valoriepgst is turning into a headache07:18
Unit193Right, thought I heard about problems with the gst backend.07:18
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Guest90499bonjour à tous09:28
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BluesKaj'Morning folks10:31
hubelibubmorning10:57
lordievadero/10:57
MichaelHhi12:16
MichaelHI'm having wirelssprobelms with Kubuntu 1412:17
MichaelHsometimes it just goes offline with the unability to scan for wireless networks12:17
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BluesKajMichaelH, which wifi chip and does iwlist scan show any other "cells" available?12:21
Michael_Kubuntu1BluesKaj: will check now12:21
Michael_Kubuntu1nothing about cells12:22
Michael_Kubuntu1Usage: iwlist [interface] scanning [essid NNN] [last]               [interface] frequency                [interface] channel                [interface] bitrate                [interface] rate                [interface] encryption                [interface] keys                [interface] power                [interface] txpower                [interface] retry                [interface] ap                [interface] access12:22
Michael_Kubuntu1(sorry, should have used some paste website )12:22
BluesKajthe command is ' iwlist scan '12:23
BluesKajwithout the quotes12:23
Michael_Kubuntu1http://pastebin.com/X52K8QQS12:23
Michael_Kubuntu1That's what I get12:23
BluesKajis ESSID:"Mech Plus" yours?12:24
Michael_Kubuntu1that's the one I need to connect to12:25
Michael_Kubuntu1so yes12:25
Michael_Kubuntu1Right now I'm connected to it, but it drops out & My PC will be un able to see any other networks12:26
Michael_Kubuntu1while my phone next to the PC can see at least 3+ netwroks (including the one above)12:26
Michael_Kubuntu1(so it's not a wireless router problem for sure)12:26
BluesKajMichael_Kubuntu1, which wifi chip?12:27
Michael_Kubuntu1Vendor : Qualcomm Atheros (is that it ? )12:29
Michael_Kubuntu1Product : AR922X Wireless Network Adapter12:29
rootcoderls12:30
rootcoderls -la12:30
rootcoderexit12:30
BluesKajMichael_Kubuntu1, odd that's usually a pretty reliable driver/connection12:31
rootcoderGood jb, Cononical!12:31
Michael_Kubuntu1BluesKaj: It was when I was running windows12:32
Michael_Kubuntu1(not that I regret leaving windows, just making a note :D  )12:32
Michael_Kubuntu1BluesKaj: it will take some time before the wirless drops, so may I get your help with few other things. This is a fresh Kubuntu install & need to get it ready for work ASAP.12:33
Michael_Kubuntu11- I need to remove OpenJDK12:33
BluesKajMichael_Kubuntu1, so does your wifi drop out on kubuntu, or just windows?12:35
Michael_Kubuntu1BluesKaj: Note : I had this wireless problem with this Kubuntu & Mint KDE 15 .. I restarted few times with no luck.12:35
Michael_Kubuntu1but before this final retsart, i switched to exiting windows install then back to linkx & wirless seems to work !12:36
Michael_Kubuntu1I also had problem with  apt-get on kubuntu whilre trying to un-install openjdk  but it only stopped giving errors AFTER I swtiched to windows & back to linux ... this is tripping me out !12:37
Michael_Kubuntu1while *12:37
Michael_Kubuntu1BluesKaj: in short, the wirless problem only on Linux (Kubuntu 14 &  mint KDE 15)12:38
Michael_Kubuntu1& seems to work for the time being ....12:39
dodgerMichael_Kubuntu1: problems like this can be either with the driver or the wireless adapter's firmware included with the kernel12:39
dodgerwhat kernel are you on (run uname -a from the terminal to find out)?12:40
Michael_Kubuntu1Linux kubuntu14lts-pc 3.13.0-24-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 23:30:00 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux12:40
Michael_Kubuntu1using the default Kubuntu12:41
dodgerthis is on 14.04?12:41
Michael_Kubuntu1yes12:41
BluesKajMichael_Kubuntu1, sounds like the ath9k driver is unloading, try sudo modprobe ath9k12:41
dodgerBluesKaj: good catch, that could be it12:41
BluesKajdodger, dunno why it would tho12:42
dodgerMichael_Kubuntu1: you can find out by running "lsmod | grep ath" once your wifi connection drops out; if that outputs nothing, the drives is no longer running12:42
Michael_Kubuntu1ok, tried that .. I will keep an eye on it to see if the wirless will drop12:42
Michael_Kubuntu1ty guys :)12:42
dodgerif the driver is still running, you can try to reload it with12:42
Michael_Kubuntu1This is very nice support to have .. for a new person to linux12:42
dodgersudo rmmod ath9k && sudo modprobe ath9k12:43
BluesKajMichael_Kubuntu1, to load the driver just run the modprobe command , if it loads there won't be any output12:43
dodgersome wireless devices still have problems, though that number gets smaller with every release; i haven't had trouble with networking for the last 3 or 4 years :)12:44
dodgerbut there's still hardware every once in a while that doesn't quite work12:44
Michael_Kubuntu1Notes.. I'm keeping a change log &  error/solution report to use late .. will add these commands now :)12:44
BluesKaji had more probs with W7 BCM wifi than with kubuntu12:45
Michael_Kubuntu1I had this hardware for a while, so it may be it ... I will see after few tests..12:45
dodgerBluesKaj: i've been having more trouble with windows generally, which is why i don't use it anymore :P12:45
BluesKajMichael_Kubuntu1, good practice :) I've been doing the same for yrs now12:45
Michael_Kubuntu1dodger: last time I used windows was like 4 month ago .. only use it in a VM to run Photoshop & Illustrator12:46
Michael_Kubuntu1I'm Web & Graphic Designer BTW12:46
Michael_Kubuntu1so much fun with linux .. al these commands & working in an invironment as close as possible to production server helps alot12:47
BluesKajI keep windows around to keep my hand in for wife's sake12:47
dodgerMichael_Kubuntu1: cool, that's what I went to school for :)12:47
Michael_Kubuntu1I got my diploma at Web development & DB development ... studied from home ... always felt I knew more then the teachers  !12:48
dodgerat some point I decided I like programming better, so now I'm a programmer :P12:48
dodgerthere are a couple of old bugs on launchpad relating to connection loss with that wifi adapter, btw12:49
Michael_Kubuntu1web applications or somet hing things ..?12:49
Michael_Kubuntu1I'm looking for an App developer12:49
Michael_Kubuntu1for smartphones12:49
dodgerMichael_Kubuntu1: video games, professionally, and pretty much anything privately12:49
Michael_Kubuntu1cool. TBH, I'm trying to create an online team to work togeather & just develop fun projects & maybe sell these projects later12:50
Michael_Kubuntu1I have few things I want to do .. new CMS based on Yii or Symfony framemworks (php frameworks)12:51
Michael_Kubuntu1& a linux  file / Project  manage12:51
BluesKajjust installed some new RAM in a seniors center pc to handle Kubuntu 14.04 that had been running XP . The manager was very worried about no more windows updates so we installed Kubuntu, So far so good/12:52
Michael_Kubuntu1xp ... I heard of it befoew :p12:53
dodgerBluesKaj: most people love it if they can just wrap their heads around it being different from what they're used to12:53
Michael_Kubuntu1before *12:53
dodgerany new install for someone i prefix with 'be patient, you'll have to relearn some stuff'12:53
Michael_Kubuntu1my grandma used to tell me stories about xp12:53
BluesKaj<--- is a grandpa12:54
dodgerMichael_Kubuntu1: I guess that makes me old :P  95 was the first windows I ever did serious work on12:54
Michael_Kubuntu1BluesKaj:  haha12:54
* dodger is too12:54
Michael_Kubuntu1i'm 23 .. not that young12:55
dodgeri've got a decade or two on you there :P12:55
Michael_Kubuntu1I've been between windows 7 & linux for a while.. but after I saw win8 I knew I have to find something else or leave the IT world becasue if win8 was the top OS then to hell with Technology (same direction as win8)12:56
dodgerseems like the connection dropout problem has been happening on and off with that adapter, Michael_Kubuntu112:56
dodgeris this on a laptop or a desktop?12:56
Michael_Kubuntu1desktop12:56
Michael_Kubuntu1current setup doesnt allow for cabel to be running .. that will change soon12:56
BluesKajdongle or wifi nic ?12:57
dodgerif it keeps happening, you might want to consider picking up a different adapter; here's a guide to which ones work best12:57
dodgerhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported12:57
Michael_Kubuntu1ty, now a question for experts in compuster world12:57
Michael_Kubuntu1how do you organize you DATA .. Perosnal Projects, Clients Projectct, Client details .. payments, bills, files .....12:58
BluesKajMichael_Kubuntu1, are you going to replace openjdk with something else ?12:58
Michael_Kubuntu1so much Datab to be saved & I'm sick of folders .. I need to be able to descripe my folders & data & create Categories/groups12:59
dodgerMichael_Kubuntu1: projects usually on a file system level, people's details in kontact, and payments/bills through my online banking website :P12:59
Michael_Kubuntu1BluesKaj: Yes, want Oracle Java JDK12:59
dodgerMichael_Kubuntu1: with the KDE indexing functions, that sort of thing becomes much easier13:00
dodgerBaloo (previously Nepomuk) - being able to tag files and folders, associate the pieces of data with each other and then search for them is really nice13:01
Michael_Kubuntu1dodger: My Projects break into groups, Web, Graphics, Hosting & login details, Project Notes, Project Change Log, Project Requirements & Plans  ...13:02
Michael_Kubuntu1thats alonepossible for "one client"13:02
dodgersince they're all related, just tagging the files in dolphin would probably go a long way13:02
Michael_Kubuntu1so Tagging & commenting on files would be one greate feature .. also keeping a task list for each project ..13:02
Michael_Kubuntu1does that Tag Data get stored in the folder or in some differnt location .. incase I install a new system13:03
dodgerFor organizing random collections of data and ideas, I still love Basket, even though it's a bit outdated now13:03
dodgerMichael_Kubuntu1: the data gets stored in a separate database13:04
dodgerthat's searchable by KDE applications13:04
dodgerfor example, you can tag files with a 'Project 1' tag, then search for that tag in dolphin or KRunner13:04
BluesKajMichael_Kubuntu1, check this out, it involves installing a ppa in your sources.list, but the procedure is pretty clear, http://www.webupd8.org/2014/04/oracle-java-installer-conflicting-with.html13:05
dodgeror even put a shortcut to that tag search into the places bar of the KDE file selector13:05
Michael_Kubuntu1dodger: will check that out .. & hope it works with Krusador File manager :)13:08
dodgeri use that feature a lot, i've got a couple of quickaccess widgets with my most common searches in the panel13:08
Michael_Kubuntu1Krusader13:08
Michael_Kubuntu1I wish there is like a Linux  Framework  to develop quick  Software with nice UI13:10
dodgerMichael_Kubuntu1: I dig python with PyQt for small projects13:10
dodgerI'm a C++ guy at heart, but for small apps, Python is very quick to get up and running13:11
dodgeralthough dynamic typing still makes me cringe13:11
Michael_Kubuntu1will try it.. I read about it but I guess it's time to really test it & see what I can do13:12
Michael_Kubuntu1now I'm on linux .. I can do anything :)13:12
Michael_Kubuntu1Quick question: will ie be the correct language to build a basic File manager with DB to store FIles Notes/tags ?13:12
dodgerMichael_Kubuntu1: there's no such thing as a 'correct language' :P13:13
dodgerif you want to build something like that, i'd recommend using the KDE frameworks so you can integrate it with the existing tagging and annotation functionality13:14
Michael_Kubuntu1well, It wont be like trying to use PHP to create a file manager & do everything through a browser .. it wont be good as I cant associate file tipes with programs + anything I click will be like a "download"13:14
dodgerI'm not sure what the state of that with python is13:14
dodgeryou might want to pop into #kubuntu-devel to get more information :)13:14
Michael_Kubuntu11st question : does it have to be acces through browser or can be used to program stand alone software ?13:15
dodgeryeah, for a file manager I'd do a standalone app13:15
dodgerdoesn't mean you can't do it in JavaScript, for example ;)13:15
dodgerbut people more familiar with the KDE frameworks could likely give you better information about that than myself13:16
Michael_Kubuntu1dodger: ty :)  now.. I need a game that I can only hack :D13:18
Michael_Kubuntu1never asked, what games have you worked on ?13:18
dodgerquite a few... Madden, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, Bioshock 2, and a few others13:19
dodgersometimes I think I've been doing this for too long13:19
Michael_Kubuntu1is it good pay ?13:19
dodgeri'm certainly not complaining13:20
Michael_Kubuntu1:) & when did you 1st start doing programming  & 1st read "programming" work .. if you dont mind me asking13:20
Michael_Kubuntu11st real *13:21
dodgeroh god... my first contact with programming was in CPM-Basic about 30 years ago13:21
Michael_Kubuntu1how old were you !13:21
dodger9 :P13:21
dodgermy dad worked at Siemens and brought home what they then called a portable computer13:22
dodgerwhich meant 3x1x5 ft and 400lbs13:22
Michael_Kubuntu1so portable .. on a truck :D13:22
dodger2 people could maneuver it :P13:22
dodgerit came on rollers13:23
Michael_Kubuntu1so u 39 :)13:23
dodger40, actually13:23
dodgeri said 'about' :P13:23
Michael_Kubuntu1was trying to be nice & rounded down :)13:24
Michael_Kubuntu1plus the "9" sells better13:24
dodgerat some point you just stop counting ;)13:24
Michael_Kubuntu1BluesKaj: btw, ty for that link .. saved me so much time13:26
BluesKajnp Michael_Kubuntu1, hope it's what you need13:26
dodgerMichael_Kubuntu1: seems your wifi connection is pretty stable now :)13:27
Michael_Kubuntu1it's always that way.. stable untill it crashes13:28
Michael_Kubuntu1but when.. who knows13:28
Michael_Kubuntu1hope never13:28
dodgeryeah, but it hasn't disconnected in the last 30 minutes or so :)13:28
Michael_Kubuntu1it normally takes few hours between crashes13:28
dodgeroh, well here's hoping it stays up :)13:29
Michael_Kubuntu1btw, I'm having fun creating so called "Portab;e Software"  I made a  SSD Partition with Linux Software that doesnt require install .. Including my IDE Neatbeans & XMind (mapping + Charts tool)13:29
BluesKajgparted?13:30
dodgeryou could image that to a USB stick and have a portable development environment :)13:30
Michael_Kubuntu1usb is too slow13:30
Michael_Kubuntu1but I do keep impostant software on USB for wuick start incase of PC crash13:30
dodger3.0 is pretty snappy, but not too wide spread yet, yes13:30
Michael_Kubuntu1important13:30
dodgerI just recently set up two-factor authentication for my encrypted partition on my laptop, keeping the ecryptfs key on a tiny USB stick on my keychain13:32
BluesKaji have porteus3 on a stick , and impressed my bandmates with it,.,,they're all windows 8.1 users13:32
dodgerbut since it's an 8GB stick I'm going to make it bootable and put a kubuntu install on it13:32
Michael_Kubuntu1Nice .. soon I will be looking ta making a USB with Kubuntu + Persistant install13:33
BluesKajbut i really wowed them with kubuntu using the desktop cube etc13:34
dodgerthis just blows my mind BTW13:34
dodgerhttp://goo.gl/Muw08213:34
dodger8GB on that13:34
Michael_Kubuntu1I only wish there is like a "Snap Shot"  feature to the Persistant install like I do with VMware .. to revert back fast.13:34
dodgerthe kid that was playing with the monstrous 'portable computer' back in the days just doesn't want to believe it13:34
Michael_Kubuntu1dodger: :) I would get a USB SSD & make it portable13:35
Michael_Kubuntu1it's about the same price as USB flash drive  .. nearly $1 per 1 GB  here in AU13:36
dodgeryeah, that stick is about $6 US13:36
dodgerthat stuff has become so cheap it's unreal13:36
Michael_Kubuntu1still expensive when you get 500GBN +13:36
dodgeri remember the first hard drive i had for my Atari ST was 20MBytes and cost $50013:36
Michael_Kubuntu1damn ..13:37
BluesKajtoo much junky usb stuff out there tho, did 4 writes to 16G stick and it crapped out13:37
dodgerBluesKaj: yeah, the cheap NAND is nothing you'd want critical stuff on13:38
Michael_Kubuntu1BluesKaj: its good to use a trusted brands .. not as if other companies are much cheaper13:38
dodgeri keep the key on a second USB stick for safety :P13:38
dodgerbut having something so tiny on your keychain and being able to boot an entire OS from it is pretty darn cool13:38
BluesKajyup13:39
Michael_Kubuntu1true that13:39
Michael_Kubuntu1is there a lighter version of KDE ? so like Light Kubuntu without the too many effects ?13:40
Michael_Kubuntu1or manye it's just a config change ? need to test it13:40
dodgeryou can turn off compositing altogether with alt+shift+F1213:41
Michael_Kubuntu1I noticed that in Kubuntu, attached media goes under  /media/Username/MediaName .. was it before just  under /media/Medianame ?13:41
dodgerbut today, even anemic GPUs should be fast enough to run it13:41
BluesKajMichael_Kubuntu1, you can setup fewer desktop effects in syatem settings if you wish, but on most newer machines there won't be much speed benefit13:41
Michael_Kubuntu1BluesKaj: it's more for a os on USB .. less files to load ?13:42
Michael_Kubuntu1With time, I may play around with Linux to load the ISO & Persistant files into ram then work on the os13:43
dodgerMichael_Kubuntu1: the desktop effects won't really make much of a difference there; if you want to increase boot speed, there are other options to do that ;)13:43
BluesKajMichael_Kubuntu1, well that also depends on the host machine's HW13:43
Michael_Kubuntu1I 1st ran Kubuntu as live OS & had "lagg" .. no much worried about boot speed at this stage.13:44
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DesignerXok.. this is my real IRC nick :D13:45
DesignerXdesignerx.com.au (yes, I'm a web designer with no time for my website !)13:45
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TBotNikAll: Where is the best place to find BASH scripts?15:51
TBotNikAll: Need to automatically find and mount USB/Flash drives15:52
Shaan7http://www.duckduckgo.com15:52
Walex2TBotNik: why do you think that is related to BASH scripts? Why do you think that BASH scripts found randomly are right for your situation?16:09
TBotNikIt has to be a script, for machine with CLI only, and I prefer BASH, which I understand the best!16:11
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TBotNikWalex2: It has to be a script, for machine with CLI only, and I prefer BASH, which I understand the best!16:11
Walex2TBotNik: I don't see the connection between "script" and "CLI only". Why do you think that DBUS, 'udev' and/or automounters only work if a GUI is running?16:14
DesignerXhi, how can I show only App Icon & Name when I press alt-tab ? instead of Program Preview .16:16
Walex2DesignerX: maybe there is an options under "Worksspace Appearance>Window Behaviour>Task Switcher"16:23
Walex2DesignerX: like "thumbnails"16:24
DesignerXWalex2: ty, will try that16:25
TBotNikWalex2: The machine in question is toast, ran into "disk full" scenario and corrupted itself, so process is emergency recovery, but must script it to not leave out any critical info on the machine!16:55
TBotNikWalex2: Can only login tty2-5 and CLI and nothing formerly "auto" works!16:56
TBotNikWalex2: Having to backup over 5M files, must capture all config files, all app launchers, including launcher menu (with order) and over 280GB of data.  HD is 320GB.16:58
Walex2TBotNik: why is your priority to run automounting in this situation?17:10
Walex2TBotNik: that sounds extremely bizarre. Mounting manually takes a single line.17:11
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TBotNikWalex2: Right if you only have to do it once, but 64GB flash into 280 goes how many times, and the backup has to know the 64GB size and not build any .tar or tar.gz files larger than 64GB, must build it on the flash, mark where it is at, let the flash be removed, for manual copy to backup server, with 1TB HD, then when remounted check empty status, remove .tar/.tat.gz(s) if there, then continue backups, etc.18:01
TBotNikWalex2: Wrote all this up at:  http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-linux/201093-recovery-desperate-2.html and at http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-linux/201498-flash-mount-bash.html#post95117818:05
Walex2TBotNik: you can do that with a shell script that does 'unmount ...; mount ...'18:07
hal_turn down for what!!!!!!!!!!!!!18:16
kameshHi all, I am having trouble booting to Linux. I have a GPT enabled UEFI system with windows 8.1 on it. Kubuntu is installed in a seperate partition. But when the system starts then it directly boots into windows18:54
kameshThe situation does not solve even with boot repair18:54
kameshhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/7523521/18:54
kameshcan anybody help??18:55
kamesh???19:02
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hubelibubwhy have you chosen kubuntu?19:35
genii!polls19:36
genii!poll19:36
* genii smacks the bot19:36
BluesKaj!kubuntu | hubelibub this is why19:37
ubottuhubelibub this is why: Kubuntu is the Ubuntu flavour using KDE Software and the KDE Plasma Workspaces.  See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support join  #kubuntu - See also !kde19:37
aljosa14.04 doesn't mount android phones when connected w/ usb cable, works as expected on 13.1019:51
* TheFakeazneD525 slides genii some KTorrent Koffee20:15
TheFakeazneD525It's full featured, informative, and a well rounded taste :D20:15
* genii sips and goes back to reading documentation20:15
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belgahi20:43
belgaKubuntu is great since 14.04.20:43
belgahowever...20:43
belgamy bluetooth doesn't work like it suppose to20:45
genii!details20:46
ubottuPlease elaborate; your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly configuration files (use the !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel)20:46
belgait worked well untill I upgraded from 13.1020:46
belgamy hci0 shows up. It scans. But pairing doesn't work with my headphone and bluetooth receiver20:55
keithzg_These daily kernel panics are really getting me down . . . https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-gYkIxARD9Aw/U4Oop-lT7tI/AAAAAAAAFkc/PmE5T4e8em0/w1375-h774-no/IMG_20140526_144829441.jpg21:12
keithzg_Well, general protection fault at least. Is that an actual kernel panic? It's been so long I entirely forget, went years without such things happening and now it's nearly daily :(21:14
keithzg_(everything seems entirely stable when I boot into SystemRescueCD instead, and I've been unable to prove any hardware faults.)21:15
jigmbuenas, buenasssss22:08
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