[01:37] this is great [01:37] a mates in Tokyo at the moment... [01:37] https://www.dropbox.com/s/mg08pjbrxpcx5zx/2014-05-17%2014.57.56.jpg === alan_g_ is now known as alan_g [09:25] morning boys and girls. [09:25] pip pip [09:26] meep === msm is now known as Guest69266 [11:34] 9Hmmh, Sky multiroom boxes come in handy when you're planning on going away in a caravan & have a portable dish [11:59] Good morning peeps :) [12:00] afternoonings bigcalm [12:03] o/ [12:27] yay [12:27] morning [12:27] 5955416 2014-05-26 13:27:11 Withdraw *2001 £1,427.00 [12:27] :D [12:28] finally had a winning bet at winner.com [12:36] :what was that on? [12:50] I've just found the most mindbending bug in one of our systems :/ [12:50] it's good when you find them :-) [12:51] we have a thing where when a customer's password is sent back to them in a webpage, it's sent as *******. and then when we get the form back, if the content isn't ******'s, they've changed their password and we update [12:51] that way the form element looks like it has something in it, but isn't anything revealing [12:52] soooo today I've found a customer who used the password '*****' and caused the universe to implode [12:52] but sometimes the *'s get expanded/changed? [12:52] hahahaha [12:52] shauno: Rule 58: Ensure special values are always special [13:08] :Dpenguin42 okc thunder last night [13:08] :D [13:09] just glad ive got some yen now [13:09] * penguin42 hasn't got a clue what okc thunder is [13:09] oklahoma city thunder - nba [13:09] ah [13:09] my deposits from the 23rd - now are quite a lot though so its not as impressive as it sounds ....like £1080 [13:09] just went through them [13:10] ah, so you bet over 1K ? [13:10] yea [13:10] :) [13:16] over what period? [13:17] and if you keep going at the same rate would you be winning or losing? [13:42] er [13:42] not sure penguin42 [13:42] at least its not raining today [13:53] right, nicely contained scan order for bits [13:54] what you order [13:56] oh just bits; hard drive (an SSD failed yesterday), couple of small uSD cards, usb-sata caddy (see hard drive) a mouse and a long cat5e cable [15:31] what are the chances someone will want my lovely quintrix CRT for free? [15:31] feels wrong to take it to the tip [15:35] zero to none [15:41] possibly in the negative territory as i can't even get help to lift it out of the house :D [15:48] foobarry: find a computer museum :D [16:17] its a lovely telly [16:17] :) [16:17] i cannot deploy my new one yet due to a case of missing screws for the stand :( [16:18] anyone currentyl got a synology nas? [16:18] thinkn it will be my next tech purchase if i can release funds [16:31] foobarry: I have a similar problem with my TV [16:38] :( penguin42 [16:38] cant workout what screws i need [16:38] #or where to find them [16:41] M6 screws allegedly [16:47] those are pretty common aren't they ? [16:47] foobarry: My TV is a 32" tosh - and the challenge would be getting it down the stairs [16:49] penguin42: pick up TV... move to top of stairs... DROP! job done! [16:49] what a load of tosh [16:49] mine is a panasonic 32incher, i carried it from somebodys flat to the car. i nearly died twice [16:50] yea it sucks chucking stuff away foobarry [16:51] i have 2 kids so finding time to do *anything* sucks [16:51] unless i can do it cheaply from my armchair [16:51] SuperEngineer: Yeh it's the 'pick up TV' bit that's the problem [16:51] SuperEngineer: How are the bionics? [16:51] i hate chucking stuff [16:51] really hate it [16:51] my car is only 20 yds from the telly so i'll get a mate to lift it to the car on a convenient day [16:52] and then it will stay in the car for a week until the dump is open [16:52] and i am not working [16:52] penguin42: no prob - get someone else to do it - do a Huckleberry Finn on them... tell them it's fun [16:52] mapps: Yeh I mean it's still working so I'm not desperate to get rid of this TV, but these flat panels keep looking at me whenever I go in Dixons [16:53] exactly [16:53] my dad chucked out a perfectly fine 32inch tv..annoyed me [16:53] just because it was crt [16:53] :( [16:53] dixons still exist? [16:53] ya [16:53] dixoncurrypcworldphonewarehouse? [16:53] I thought they closed all the dixons in favour of currys and pcworld combos [16:53] yea same thing tho aint it [16:54] same company, different emphasis [16:54] diddledan: Yes I'm sorry, I mean currys.digital or whatever the highstreet ones are [16:54] or do what I did when I eventually went for an upgrade [not long ago], remove guilt by moving old tv to bedroom [16:54] ...one day I might even plug it in ;) [16:55] out of sight out of mind? [16:55] :D [16:55] penguin42: ... & the bionics are recovering nicely. Thanks for asking. [16:56] penguin42: out of sight except for when too tired to realise... works for me ;) [16:56] paul mcgann is reading my sons audio book. he has the most dour voice known to man [16:57] so now you're all back into life, any synology users? [17:00] what's a "synology user" - is that slang for someone addicted to a drug I missed in my yoof? [17:00] * SuperEngineer phones evil dealer - asks for some synology [17:01] quote: "French beekeepers were shocked to find their bees had produced a supply of thick, blue honey. Turns out the bees had been feeding on the colourful shells of M&Ms - a Mars processing plant sat just 4 km away." [17:01] and the image to go with: https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t1.0-9/1798691_837779872909692_1973397425184143260_n.jpg [17:02] I just love the Asian supermarket / cash and carry we have relatively close [17:02] stocked up on dumplings and my favourite noodles again [17:02] * SuperEngineer puts phone down having been sworn at by evil dealer - picks it up again and suggests diddledan could well be a customer! [17:02] they even had durian ice lollies but we didn't venture there [17:02] diddledan: Nice! [17:03] obligatory overprocesssed holiday pic http://i.imgur.com/zb1ahTW.jpg [17:04] diddledan: http://www.ediblegeography.com/crispy-wings/ is from a bunch of guys who were tracking some birds and couldn't figure out why they were going to one particular town - a crisp factory [17:04] foobarry: Yeh the sky looks interesting [17:05] because cornwall and because tonemapping [17:05] cornish clouds are good for god rays. [17:05] foobarry, you need to do some HDR [17:06] i did already :S [17:06] heh.. ok :-p [17:06] there were 4 exposures , hence the ghosting [17:06] gotcha [17:07] i have a proper hdr one with no tonemap fakery [17:07] what explains how the wall and tree are so well defined [17:07] that* [17:08] designed more for viewing on phones etc..it wouldn't stand up to much scrutiny [17:09] *want* http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/monitors/28inchplusmonitors/29ub65-p.html [17:10] that would improve my photo viewing [17:12] pff who looks at photos ;) [17:12] omw that's cheap now [17:12] i paid like £360-400 each for my Dell 2408's back in the day [17:12] they're still great, with every input under the sun, but CCFL based [17:13] there are some 4k's now for 499 [17:15] day-um [17:15] reminds me, i've been asked to find an 80" TV [17:15] bloomin nora [17:15] that's hooge [17:15] it's a tough one though - feels a bit late in the day to be buying just a 1080p panel of said size, yet there won't be any source nor content for 4K [17:15] daftykins: have they got a ruler? If not, I've got an 80" TV for sale ;) [17:16] clambering over these rocks with my 4yr old was fun http://i.imgur.com/a43bxuu.jpg [17:17] heh [17:17] it'd replace a plasma 65" [17:17] which is insanely heavy [17:18] which uses more energy, a 32 inch plsma, lcd or crt [17:18] when being watched [17:19] crt I would thing [17:19] k [17:19] then plasma a close second [17:19] foobarry: depends which one you plug in ;) [17:20] a crt makes all sorts of extra goodness such as x-rays [17:20] so needs moar powah [17:20] [any TV can be "watched" - it's watching programmes that loused up your electic bill [17:21] * SuperEngineer returns form bedroom - watched the tv for a while - it didn't move [17:22] *from [17:24] well, apparently my 32" Tosh takes 95W [17:25] I think it's very impolite to use that term [17:25] I prefer "pardon" to "watt" [17:26] if you say watt again..... [17:26] watt? [17:26] I mean pardon? [17:26] I dare you.... [17:26] I double dare you [17:26] modern 32" Tosh LCD 53W - so not a vast difference [17:27] * SuperEngineer checks TV paperwork to see the "excuse me" useage [17:27] SuperEngineer, what about the "I'm sorry to bother you" scale? [17:29] diddledan: ah - that was hidden at the back of the manual - got it now [17:30] ..right next next to it's politeness rating... [17:30] [& finds it measured with "Favourable Amperage Reality Testings"] [17:30] * penguin42 can't find the power consumption of a plasma [17:30] aah the FART emissions test [17:31] aw cumon!... took me bleedin' ages to work that one out! [17:31] :-) [17:33] I don't get why analogue vga signalling is still considered important enough to put on every monitor [17:33] the digital ones are a pot-shot as to which are supported on any particular monitor but analogue vga is always there?! [17:34] to plug PCs into [17:34] diddledan: They might get some signage uses as well, but you would have thought it would simplify the hardware if they got rid of all analog inputs [17:35] [18:34:11] to plug PCs into <-- considering that's what a monitor usually has plugged into it then, yeah [17:37] hmmm - I wondered that spare monitor cable forced into the printer port didn't work! [17:37] diddledan: I do have my mum running her PC on a TV [17:38] penguin42, aye but I'm not talking about plugging a computer into a tv, I'm talking about plugging it into a monitor. monitors are specifically designed for computers to plug into them [17:39] Boasting here... main monitor plugged to graphics card DVI socket, TV plugged to HDMI, old vga monitor [used for slideshow of photos] plugged to vga monitor of same graphcs card! [17:39] I fail to understand the reasoning that VGA is still important to include everywhere [17:40] diddledan: OK ok but I do use VGA still - on my work laptop [17:40] diddledan: There's still too much randomness about what you will find on laptops [17:40] * SuperEngineer hugs his graphics card & vga monitor - and covers vga's ears from diddledan's insults [17:40] I can understand a few monitors including vga for backward compatibility, but I don't get why every. damned. single. monitor. everywhere. has to include vga [17:40] except Macs, where you can be sure you'll have nothing useful [17:41] hmm are there any other EU news sites in English - I'm curious what they make of it [17:41] because out there in the big wide business world - VGA is still commonly used perhaps [17:46] Breaking news - all votes in euro elections invalidated - Jono Bacon chosen to stand as "the voice of sanity" instead. [17:46] well done, jono [18:39] diddledan, 100% of laptops have VGA, since 100% of projectors have VGA [18:40] any of you gents dealt with some of the more messy EFI installs? :) [18:40] a mates helping someone with their win8 laptop [18:40] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7523209/ [18:41] ubuntu's been installed via CSM (so legacy boot) into the tail end of the disk, then boot-repair was used to point to sda2 as the EFI partition (which it is) [18:41] but upon changing 'BIOS' back to EFI instead of CSM, apparently only Windows boots still [18:42] so what's the intention? [18:43] to have a GRUB menu for a choice between EFI booting both 8 and ubuntu ideally [18:43] EFI boots "applications" - either any application registered with the firmware, or the application in a default path on a drive with a supported filesystem [18:44] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Converting_Ubuntu_into_EFI_or_Legacy_mode [18:44] if ubuntu was installed as BIOS, i doubt grub is registered in the firmware [18:44] he followed that to try and turn the CSM install into EFI mode [18:44] yeah, would it actually need to be installed via some means, like the grub-efi package installed? [18:44] can i ask why he did this ass-backwards? [18:45] seems he couldn't get this Toshiba booting his USB flash drive in EFI mode [18:45] you can only register an EFI application when booted into an EFI OS [18:45] i was thinking that the above steps are all well and good - but they don't actually do anything to *put* GRUB onto the EFI partition [18:45] also that [18:45] I thought there was some magic to run under windows to fix something [18:47] the disk is so damned messy from one ugly factory install that i'm tempted to suggest nuking the disk and starting with a fresh 8 install ;) [18:48] directhex: is that guide spreading lies then? since it claims you can turn it into an EFI install from outside [18:48] daftykins, you need to be booted into EFI ubuntu to make EFI ubuntu bootable. it is impossible to modify EFI variables when booted via BIOS [18:48] Evening slackers. [18:49] hi popey o/ [18:49] how do? [18:49] Tickety boo. [18:49] Finally recovered from a busy week. [18:49] directhex: ok, sounds like they depend upon booting a flash drive as EFI to sort out the install there [18:50] https://www.dropbox.com/sc/tnfemv330crx2w9/AAAC4ua2eqKCbNWxYEY3uPCYa#/ [18:50] he's also getting this right now [18:50] daftykins, bingo [18:50] this is upon closing out of boot-repair [18:50] yikes [18:50] boot-repair looks like total garbage [18:52] as does that guide if it thinks you can convert an install solely by running it to do that much [18:53] https://www.dropbox.com/sc/340zvhvnt8tvzeu/AABGIXBZSWiM0b6PYBCM_Jq3a#lh:1-2014-05-27%2003.37.44.jpg [18:53] that was also a key image of just a moment ago [18:56] ah [18:56] now it's doing things [18:56] https://www.dropbox.com/sc/8q94fx6t1vs76nj/AADQaJ4BPga43LuT4Z3WA59Ia [19:09] hah, boot-repair crashed somewhere along the process [19:16] boot-repair looks like total garbage [19:17] it looks like what it's trying to do goes against your above statement though [19:17] so which is wrong? :> [19:17] ultimately what it's trying to do won't work unless efivars is mounted [19:18] well... unless it overwrites bootx64.efi on the efi partition [19:19] yeah it appears to rename the Windows one [19:19] so i imagine it's replacing it with another [19:21] ._. [19:23] i think it's disk nuking time :D [19:24] total lunar sea. [19:27] yeah? well it's not gonna do anything itself [19:29] blurg @ EU votes [19:32] i'm not in the EU [20:11] directhex: being a Frenchman living in the UK, I did double bleuaarrgghhh last night [20:55] howdy all [20:56] evening [21:04] brunogirin, the FN's success is far worse than UKIP [21:21] directhex: I know :-(