[01:37] <daftykins> this is great
[01:37] <daftykins> a mates in Tokyo at the moment...
[01:37] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mg08pjbrxpcx5zx/2014-05-17%2014.57.56.jpg
[09:25] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:25] <popey> pip pip
[09:26] <brobostigon> meep
[11:34] <DJones> 9Hmmh, Sky multiroom boxes come in handy when you're planning on going away in a caravan & have a portable dish
[11:59] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:00] <brobostigon> afternoonings bigcalm
[12:03] <bigcalm> o/
[12:27] <mapps> yay
[12:27] <mapps> morning
[12:27] <mapps> 5955416	2014-05-26 13:27:11	Withdraw		*2001	£1,427.00
[12:27] <mapps> :D
[12:28] <mapps> finally had a winning bet at winner.com
[12:36] <penguin42> :what was that on?
[12:50] <shauno> I've just found the most mindbending bug in one of our systems :/
[12:50] <penguin42> it's good when you find them :-)
[12:51] <shauno> we have a thing where when a customer's password is sent back to them in a webpage, it's sent as *******.  and then when we get the form back, if the content isn't ******'s, they've changed their password and we update
[12:51] <shauno> that way the form element looks like it has something in it, but isn't anything revealing
[12:52] <shauno> soooo today I've found a customer who used the password '*****' and caused the universe to implode
[12:52] <penguin42> but sometimes the *'s get expanded/changed?
[12:52] <penguin42> hahahaha
[12:52] <penguin42> shauno: Rule 58: Ensure special values are always special
[13:08] <mapps> :Dpenguin42 okc thunder last night
[13:08] <mapps> :D
[13:09] <mapps> just glad ive got some yen now
[13:09]  * penguin42 hasn't got a clue what okc thunder is
[13:09] <mapps> oklahoma city thunder - nba
[13:09] <penguin42> ah
[13:09] <mapps> my deposits from the 23rd - now are quite a lot though so its not as impressive as it sounds ....like £1080
[13:09] <mapps> just went through them
[13:10] <penguin42> ah, so you bet over 1K ?
[13:10] <mapps> yea
[13:10] <mapps> :)
[13:16] <penguin42> over what period?
[13:17] <penguin42> and if you keep going at the same rate would you be winning or losing?
[13:42] <mapps> er
[13:42] <mapps> not sure penguin42
[13:42] <mapps> at least its not raining today
[13:53] <penguin42> right, nicely contained scan order for bits
[13:54] <mapps> what you order
[13:56] <penguin42> oh just bits; hard drive (an SSD failed yesterday), couple of small uSD cards, usb-sata caddy (see hard drive) a mouse and a long cat5e cable
[15:31] <foobarry> what are the chances someone will want my lovely quintrix CRT for free?
[15:31] <foobarry> feels wrong to take it to the tip
[15:35] <Myrtti> zero to none
[15:41] <foobarry> possibly in the negative territory as i can't even get help to lift it out of the house :D
[15:48] <jussi> foobarry: find a computer museum :D
[16:17] <foobarry> its a lovely telly
[16:17] <foobarry> :)
[16:17] <foobarry> i cannot deploy my new one yet due to a case of missing screws for the stand :(
[16:18] <foobarry> anyone currentyl got a synology nas?
[16:18] <foobarry> thinkn it will be my next tech purchase if i can release funds
[16:31] <penguin42> foobarry: I have a similar problem with my TV
[16:38] <foobarry> :( penguin42
[16:38] <foobarry> cant workout what screws i need
[16:38] <foobarry> #or where to find them
[16:41] <foobarry> M6 screws allegedly
[16:47] <penguin42> those are pretty common aren't they ?
[16:47] <penguin42> foobarry: My TV is a 32" tosh - and the challenge would be getting it down the stairs
[16:49] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: pick up TV... move to top of stairs... DROP!  job done!
[16:49] <diddledan> what a load of tosh
[16:49] <foobarry> mine is a panasonic 32incher, i carried it from somebodys flat to the car. i nearly died twice
[16:50] <mapps> yea it sucks chucking stuff away foobarry
[16:51] <foobarry> i have 2 kids so finding time to do *anything* sucks
[16:51] <foobarry> unless i can do it cheaply from my armchair
[16:51] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Yeh it's the 'pick up TV' bit that's the problem
[16:51] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: How are the bionics?
[16:51] <mapps> i hate chucking stuff
[16:51] <mapps> really hate it
[16:51] <foobarry> my car is only 20 yds from the telly so i'll get a mate to lift it to the car on a convenient day
[16:52] <foobarry> and then it will stay in the car for a week until the dump is open
[16:52] <foobarry> and i am not working
[16:52] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: no prob - get someone else to do it - do a Huckleberry Finn on them... tell them it's fun
[16:52] <penguin42> mapps: Yeh I mean it's still working so I'm not desperate to get rid of this TV, but these flat panels keep looking at me whenever I go in Dixons
[16:53] <mapps> exactly
[16:53] <mapps> my dad chucked out a perfectly fine 32inch tv..annoyed me
[16:53] <mapps> just because it was crt
[16:53] <mapps> :(
[16:53] <diddledan> dixons still exist?
[16:53] <mapps> ya
[16:53] <foobarry> dixoncurrypcworldphonewarehouse?
[16:53] <diddledan> I thought they closed all the dixons in favour of currys and pcworld combos
[16:53] <mapps> yea same thing tho aint it
[16:54] <diddledan> same company, different emphasis
[16:54] <penguin42> diddledan: Yes I'm sorry, I mean currys.digital or whatever the highstreet ones are
[16:54] <SuperEngineer> or do what I did when I eventually went for an upgrade [not long ago], remove guilt by moving old tv to bedroom
[16:54] <SuperEngineer> ...one day I might even plug it in ;)
[16:55] <penguin42> out of sight out of mind?
[16:55] <mapps> :D
[16:55] <SuperEngineer> penguin42:  ... & the bionics are recovering nicely.  Thanks for asking.
[16:56] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: out of sight except for when too tired to realise... works for me ;)
[16:56] <foobarry> paul mcgann is reading my sons audio book. he has the most dour voice known to man
[16:57] <foobarry> so now you're all back into life, any synology users?
[17:00] <SuperEngineer> what's a "synology user" - is that slang for someone addicted to a drug I missed in my yoof?
[17:00]  * SuperEngineer phones evil dealer - asks for some synology
[17:01] <diddledan> quote: "French beekeepers were shocked to find their bees had produced a supply of thick, blue honey. Turns out the bees had been feeding on the colourful shells of M&Ms - a Mars processing plant sat just 4 km away."
[17:01] <diddledan> and the image to go with: https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t1.0-9/1798691_837779872909692_1973397425184143260_n.jpg
[17:02] <Myrtti> I just love the Asian supermarket / cash and carry we have relatively close
[17:02] <Myrtti> stocked up on dumplings and my favourite noodles again
[17:02]  * SuperEngineer puts phone down having been sworn at by evil dealer - picks it up again and suggests diddledan could well be a customer!
[17:02] <Myrtti> they even had durian ice lollies but we didn't venture there
[17:02] <penguin42> diddledan: Nice!
[17:03] <foobarry> obligatory overprocesssed holiday pic http://i.imgur.com/zb1ahTW.jpg
[17:04] <penguin42> diddledan: http://www.ediblegeography.com/crispy-wings/   is from a bunch of guys who were tracking some birds and couldn't figure out why they were going to one particular town -  a crisp factory
[17:04] <penguin42> foobarry: Yeh the sky looks interesting
[17:05] <foobarry> because cornwall and because tonemapping
[17:05] <foobarry> cornish clouds are good for god rays.
[17:05] <diddledan> foobarry, you need to do some HDR
[17:06] <foobarry> i did already :S
[17:06] <diddledan> heh.. ok :-p
[17:06] <foobarry> there were 4 exposures , hence the ghosting
[17:06] <diddledan> gotcha
[17:07] <foobarry> i have a proper hdr one with no tonemap fakery
[17:07] <diddledan> what explains how the wall and tree are so well defined
[17:07] <diddledan> that*
[17:08] <foobarry> designed more for viewing on phones etc..it wouldn't stand up to much scrutiny
[17:09] <diddledan> *want* http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/monitors/28inchplusmonitors/29ub65-p.html
[17:10] <diddledan> that would improve my photo viewing
[17:12] <daftykins> pff who looks at photos ;)
[17:12] <daftykins> omw that's cheap now
[17:12] <daftykins> i paid like £360-400 each for my Dell 2408's back in the day
[17:12] <daftykins> they're still great, with every input under the sun, but CCFL based
[17:13] <penguin42> there are some 4k's now for 499
[17:15] <daftykins> day-um
[17:15] <daftykins> reminds me, i've been asked to find an 80" TV
[17:15] <diddledan> bloomin nora
[17:15] <diddledan> that's hooge
[17:15] <daftykins> it's a tough one though - feels a bit late in the day to be buying just a 1080p panel of said size, yet there won't be any source nor content for 4K
[17:15] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: have they got a ruler? If not, I've got an 80" TV for sale ;)
[17:16] <foobarry> clambering over these rocks with my 4yr old was fun http://i.imgur.com/a43bxuu.jpg
[17:17] <daftykins> heh
[17:17] <daftykins> it'd replace a plasma 65"
[17:17] <daftykins> which is insanely heavy
[17:18] <foobarry> which uses more energy, a 32 inch plsma, lcd or crt
[17:18] <foobarry> when being watched
[17:19] <diddledan> crt I would thing
[17:19] <diddledan> k
[17:19] <diddledan> then plasma a close second
[17:19] <SuperEngineer> foobarry: depends which one you plug in ;)
[17:20] <diddledan> a crt makes all sorts of extra goodness such as x-rays
[17:20] <diddledan> so needs moar powah
[17:20] <SuperEngineer> [any TV can be "watched" - it's watching programmes that loused up your electic bill
[17:21]  * SuperEngineer returns form bedroom - watched the tv for a while - it didn't move
[17:22] <SuperEngineer> *from
[17:24] <penguin42> well, apparently my 32" Tosh takes 95W
[17:25] <diddledan> I think it's very impolite to use that term
[17:25] <diddledan> I prefer "pardon" to "watt"
[17:26] <penguin42> if you say watt again.....
[17:26] <diddledan> watt?
[17:26] <diddledan> I mean pardon?
[17:26] <penguin42> I dare you....
[17:26] <bigcalm> I double dare you
[17:26] <penguin42> modern 32" Tosh LCD 53W - so not a vast difference
[17:27]  * SuperEngineer checks TV paperwork to see the "excuse me" useage
[17:27] <diddledan> SuperEngineer, what about the "I'm sorry to bother you" scale?
[17:29] <SuperEngineer> diddledan: ah - that was hidden at the back of the manual - got it now
[17:30] <SuperEngineer> ..right next next to it's politeness rating...
[17:30] <SuperEngineer> [& finds it measured with "Favourable Amperage Reality Testings"]
[17:30]  * penguin42 can't find the power consumption of a plasma
[17:30] <diddledan> aah the FART emissions test
[17:31] <SuperEngineer> aw cumon!... took me bleedin' ages to work that one out!
[17:31] <diddledan> :-)
[17:33] <diddledan> I don't get why analogue vga signalling is still considered important enough to put on every monitor
[17:33] <diddledan> the digital ones are a pot-shot as to which are supported on any particular monitor but analogue vga is always there?!
[17:34] <penguin42> to plug PCs into
[17:34] <penguin42> diddledan: They might get some signage uses as well, but you would have thought it would simplify the hardware if they got rid of all analog inputs
[17:35] <diddledan> [18:34:11]  <penguin42>	 to plug PCs into <-- considering that's what a monitor usually has plugged into it then, yeah
[17:37] <SuperEngineer> hmmm - I wondered that spare monitor cable forced into the printer port didn't work!
[17:37] <penguin42> diddledan: I do have my mum running her PC on a TV
[17:38] <diddledan> penguin42, aye but I'm not talking about plugging a computer into a tv, I'm talking about plugging it into a monitor. monitors are specifically designed for computers to plug into them
[17:39] <SuperEngineer> Boasting here... main monitor plugged to graphics card DVI socket, TV plugged to HDMI, old vga monitor [used for slideshow of photos] plugged to vga monitor of same graphcs card!
[17:39] <diddledan> I fail to understand the reasoning that VGA is still important to include everywhere
[17:40] <penguin42> diddledan: OK ok but I do use VGA still - on my work laptop
[17:40] <penguin42> diddledan: There's still too much randomness about what you will find on laptops
[17:40]  * SuperEngineer hugs his graphics card & vga monitor - and covers vga's ears from diddledan's insults
[17:40] <diddledan> I can understand a few monitors including vga for backward compatibility, but I don't get why every. damned. single. monitor. everywhere. has to include vga
[17:40] <penguin42> except Macs, where you can be sure you'll have nothing useful
[17:41] <penguin42> hmm are there any other EU news sites in English - I'm curious what they make of it
[17:41] <SuperEngineer> because out there in the big wide business world - VGA is still commonly used perhaps
[17:46] <SuperEngineer> Breaking news - all votes in euro elections invalidated - Jono Bacon chosen to stand as "the voice of sanity" instead.
[17:46] <diddledan> well done, jono
[18:39] <directhex> diddledan, 100% of laptops have VGA, since 100% of projectors have VGA
[18:40] <daftykins> any of you gents dealt with some of the more messy EFI installs? :)
[18:40] <daftykins> a mates helping someone with their win8 laptop
[18:40] <daftykins> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7523209/
[18:41] <daftykins> ubuntu's been installed via CSM (so legacy boot) into the tail end of the disk, then boot-repair was used to point to sda2 as the EFI partition (which it is)
[18:41] <daftykins> but upon changing 'BIOS' back to EFI instead of CSM, apparently only Windows boots still
[18:42] <directhex> so what's the intention?
[18:43] <daftykins> to have a GRUB menu for a choice between EFI booting both 8 and ubuntu ideally
[18:43] <directhex> EFI boots "applications" - either any application registered with the firmware, or the application in a default path on a drive with a supported filesystem
[18:44] <daftykins> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Converting_Ubuntu_into_EFI_or_Legacy_mode
[18:44] <directhex> if ubuntu was installed as BIOS, i doubt grub is registered in the firmware
[18:44] <daftykins> he followed that to try and turn the CSM install into EFI mode
[18:44] <daftykins> yeah, would it actually need to be installed via some means, like the grub-efi package installed?
[18:44] <directhex> can i ask why he did this ass-backwards?
[18:45] <daftykins> seems he couldn't get this Toshiba booting his USB flash drive in EFI mode
[18:45] <directhex> you can only register an EFI application when booted into an EFI OS
[18:45] <daftykins> i was thinking that the above steps are all well and good - but they don't actually do anything to *put* GRUB onto the EFI partition
[18:45] <directhex> also that
[18:45] <penguin42> I thought there was some magic to run under windows to fix something
[18:47] <daftykins> the disk is so damned messy from one ugly factory install that i'm tempted to suggest nuking the disk and starting with a fresh 8 install ;)
[18:48] <daftykins> directhex: is that guide spreading lies then? since it claims you can turn it into an EFI install from outside
[18:48] <directhex> daftykins, you need to be booted into EFI ubuntu to make EFI ubuntu bootable. it is impossible to modify EFI variables when booted via BIOS
[18:48] <popey> Evening slackers.
[18:49] <daftykins> hi popey o/
[18:49] <daftykins> how do?
[18:49] <popey> Tickety boo.
[18:49] <popey> Finally recovered from a busy week.
[18:49] <daftykins> directhex: ok, sounds like they depend upon booting a flash drive as EFI to sort out the install there
[18:50] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/tnfemv330crx2w9/AAAC4ua2eqKCbNWxYEY3uPCYa#/
[18:50] <daftykins> he's also getting this right now
[18:50] <directhex> daftykins, bingo
[18:50] <daftykins> this is upon closing out of boot-repair
[18:50] <directhex> yikes
[18:50] <directhex> boot-repair looks like total garbage
[18:52] <daftykins> as does that guide if it thinks you can convert an install solely by running it to do that much
[18:53] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/340zvhvnt8tvzeu/AABGIXBZSWiM0b6PYBCM_Jq3a#lh:1-2014-05-27%2003.37.44.jpg
[18:53] <daftykins> that was also a key image of just a moment ago
[18:56] <daftykins> ah
[18:56] <daftykins> now it's doing things
[18:56] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/8q94fx6t1vs76nj/AADQaJ4BPga43LuT4Z3WA59Ia
[19:09] <daftykins> hah, boot-repair crashed somewhere along the process
 boot-repair looks like total garbage
[19:17] <daftykins> it looks like what it's trying to do goes against your above statement though
[19:17] <daftykins> so which is wrong? :>
[19:17] <directhex> ultimately what it's trying to do won't work unless efivars is mounted
[19:18] <directhex> well... unless it overwrites bootx64.efi on the efi partition
[19:19] <daftykins> yeah it appears to rename the Windows one
[19:19] <daftykins> so i imagine it's replacing it with another
[19:21] <directhex> ._.
[19:23] <daftykins> i think it's disk nuking time :D
[19:24] <directhex> total lunar sea.
[19:27] <daftykins> yeah? well it's not gonna do anything itself
[19:29] <directhex> blurg @ EU votes
[19:32] <daftykins> i'm not in the EU
[20:11] <brunogirin> directhex: being a Frenchman living in the UK, I did double bleuaarrgghhh last night
[20:55] <MooDoo> howdy all
[20:56] <daftykins> evening
[21:04] <directhex> brunogirin, the FN's success is far worse than UKIP
[21:21] <brunogirin> directhex: I know :-(